[Guide] Chewing Megathread

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Recently there has been a lot of talk about incisor chewing, and prior to that k9 chewing, all of these serve separate purposes for the changes you are trying to achieve.

Chewing imo is the most underrated looksmax for how easy it is, it is very likely that you can remodel your bones in a relatively short period of time if you chew strenuously, the same mewers who will torture themselves for months on end getting the back third of the tongue up are ironically the same ones who pass up this giga easy looksmax. Chewing has the potential to remodel bone very fast due to the absurd amount of forces

The jaw elevator muscles develop the main forces used in mastication. The force generated during routine mastication of food such as carrots or meat is about 70 to 150 newtons (16 to 34 lbf). The maximum masticatory force in some people may reach up to 500 to 700 newtons (110 to 160 lbf). Being we are aspies and can chew 5+ pieces of hard ass falim, and build up the strength of our masseters from constant chewing, it is not unreasonable to expect to be able to exert 350+ Newtons of force per mastication.

To compare how significant this is maxilla protraction is generally done with 10 Newtons, and the tongue can exert around 5 while hard mewing, so it is safe to say that chewing is 60x more force than your tongue, making it an extremely potent change for actual bone change, many people when thinking of chewing only look at it as a way to build masseters, but this is simply a bonus.

Daily spurts of cyclic load caused sutural strain throughout the skull. The regime likely enhances suture growth and may be therapeutically useful. -https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6361671/

This means that sutural growth is possible from forces that only take place for few minutes a day, and sutural growth is essentially what you need to make change in bone, past age 12 the sutures begin mature (and while they dont fuse til very late in life, they become very hard to stimulate growth from), chewing opens up an opportunity with the insanely high forces as a gateway to awaken these dormant sutures.



While that should of provided some helpful background info on chewing, this is part of the thread that will help you actually change your bone, based on your method(s) of chewing, you can get any of the following assuming you follow the proper protocal:

Decreased midface length (or increase if your midface is overly compact)

Increasing orbitals more compact

Making cheekbones higherset

Increasing forward growth (maximizing really)

Can make your sutures more responsive to generating new growth

Remodels the jawbone itsself to be more robust


There is also the possibility of increasing the length of your maxilla laterally from some of @SayNoToRotting 's reported changing and some studies also talk about the association of masseter muscles and maxillary transverse width, but this might not be possible past the age where the midpalatal suture becomes dormant, as I do not think chewing directly will interfere with this suture, and that is the main hindering factor for transverse expansion (hence you get MSE to split this suture to allow for growth)

Since many of you retards suffer from the extreme disability of reading a thread past 100 words, i will list what you need to do for what changes, but if you are interested i will explain the mechanisms later on.

Decreasing midface length- chew with the incisors

Increasing midface length- chew with back molars

Making cheekbones higherset- chew with first molar to first premolar

Making orbitals more compact- chew with first molar to first premolar and incisors

Maximizing forward growth- chew with the incisors

Weakening sutures for moving the maxilla forward (will give much quicker mewing/facepulling results)- chew with incisors

Remodelling mandible to be more robust- any chewing method will give this change


You can combine methods as long as they dont contradict each other, incisor chewing vs back molar chewing, personally i will be chewing falim for one hour on incisors and one hour on my molar-premolar for an hour as well.


Mechanisms: Chewing on your incisors will apply an upward force to the anterior part of the maxilla inducing a CCW rotation, while inversely molar chewing will cause a CW maxilla rotation, CCW rotation will also move the orbitals upwards

The upper/middle part of the maxilla are located relatively at around the center of the maxilla (the center of resistance is here as well), meaning that for a upwards translation of the cheekbones you need to chew with the teeth located in the middle part of the maxilla, as tipping the ends will not influence the center, this is the same mechanism that pertains to the orbitals becoming more compact, as the maxilla translates upward, so do the orbitals and zygos which will lead to highset zygos + more compact orbitals

Since when developing we are lacking the support of the tongue which would cause us to grow vetically instead of forward, we all have a bit of CW rotation built into us, when there is CW rotation it lessens forward growth, by correcting it you will gain forward growth as well, it is similar to gaining height from fixing posture, you aren't actually growing, just maximizing what you have
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the blackline is your maxilla, both lines have the same amount of pixels, yet when you rotate a heavily clockwise maxilla, just by default you will gain a ton of forward movement. (this was an exaggeration, you arent going to have this level of rotational change)

the mechanism behind the sutures being weakened is too complex to try to explain so





start chewing nibbas
 
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as many as you can without messing up your TMJ, i think two is probably fine
According to your theories, I believe chewing is the mediator of forward growth as in primitive societies, maxillary development is far better than the modern man per say. They didn’t know about mewing and tongue posture would only be accommodated by room made from having a proper skull. It wouldn’t be genetic as modern native Americans don’t look anything like their ancestors.
 
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I rebuked your opinion in your other thread, i can't be asked reposting it. I agree with your claim that the astronomical forces exerted during hard mastication could induce sutural growth, possibly, but in terms of bone REMODELLING, the tongue would surely be the key factor. The way I think of it is, continuous force/posture= remodelling, and for lack of a better phrase, masticatory HIIT= bone growth
 
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as many as you can without messing up your TMJ, i think two is probably fine
Any thoughts on the effects of chewing with a bad bite? would probably worsen asymmetry yeah?
 
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According to your theories, I believe chewing is the mediator of forward growth as in primitive societies, maxillary development is far better than the modern man per say. They didn’t know about mewing and tongue posture would only be accommodated by room made from having a proper skull. It wouldn’t be genetic as modern native Americans don’t look anything like their ancestors.
no the mechanisms dont work out the way i originally thought they did; they have much better forward growth because they develop naturally mewing since they are breastfed for long periods of time and fed hard foods to establish proper habits etc
 
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Any thoughts on the effects of chewing with a bad bite? would probably worsen asymmetry yeah?
if the bite itsself is asymmetrical than it might, but if its just bad occlusion i dont think it would
 
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I rebuked your opinion in your other thread, i can't be asked reposting it. I agree with your claim that the astronomical forces exerted during hard mastication could induce sutural growth, possibly, but in terms of bone REMODELLING, the tongue would surely be the key factor. The way I think of it is, continuous force/posture= remodelling, and for lack of a better phrase, masticatory HIIT= bone growth
who uses the word "rebuked" on an incel forum jfl "muh i cant be bothered reposting it im too important muh"

i can already tell u think u are way higher iq than u are and most of the stuff you said there is just objectively wrong
 
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Just a note: TMD problems should be checked before you go on a chewing marathon. Mew said in this video that if you have any sort of crepitation, clicking, creaking, etc. when moving your jaw when putting your pinky fingers in your ears, you should tread with great caution...
 
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aren't we supposed to chew with our back teeth and wouldn't chewing with my incisors make my teeth more crocked?
also is gum good enough? if no, any alternatives?
 
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who uses the word "rebuked" on an incel forum jfl "muh i cant be bothered reposting it im too important muh"

i can already tell u think u are way higher iq than u are and most of the stuff you said there is just objectively wrong
I am high IQ, I got tested by the state education department after I got diagnosed with Asperger's when I was 12, I scored 136. In response to another user, you talk about how indigenous peoples have insane forward growth due to natural mewing straight out of the womb, which is a combination of tongue and masseter POSTURE. You suggest that an ACTION, mastication, will achieve the same remodelling effect as natural mewing. Bone's are malleable, but only when subjected to continuous for over a long period of time, why would chewing, a discrete exercise/action, remodel bones that aren't even in direct contact with the masseter. It's like saying that you can achieve forward growth by chewing with the incisors hard as fuck for 2 hours and then go and mouth breathe for the over twenty two hours of the day, it's just retarded, you would be retarded to think there aren't over factors involved. I do agree that bone growth can be encouraged by hard chewing but this will ultimately add size rather than changing bone position relative to facial landmarks and guidelines like the Frankfurt plane.
 
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aren't we supposed to chew with our back teeth and wouldn't chewing with my incisors make my teeth more crocked?
also is gum good enough? if no, any alternatives?
get falim gum and no its fine, crooked teeth are caused by sucking inwards on the maxillary teeth when improperly swallowing which overtime narrows the arch
 
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I am high IQ, I got tested by the state education department after I got diagnosed with Asperger's when I was 12, I scored 136. In response to another user, you talk about how indigenous peoples have insane forward growth due to natural mewing straight out of the womb, which is a combination of tongue and masseter POSTURE. You suggest that an ACTION, mastication, will achieve the same remodelling effect as natural mewing. Bone's are malleable, but only when subjected to continuous for over a long period of time, why would chewing, a discrete exercise/action, remodel bones that aren't even in direct contact with the masseter. It's like saying that you can achieve forward growth by chewing with the incisors hard as fuck for 2 hours and then go and mouth breathe for the over twenty two hours of the day, it's just retarded, you would be retarded to think there aren't over factors involved. I do agree that bone growth can be encouraged by hard chewing but this will ultimately add size rather than changing bone position relative to facial landmarks and guidelines like the Frankfurt plane.
iq is a correlation for intelligence it doesnt mean u are actually smart this post is very low iq

1. this is a correction method for recessed people i never said once that this would be more effective than naturally mewing on people with very malleable bones with open sutures, just when oldcels are recessed its very hard to change nonsurgically for those two reasons

2. when chewing the mandible will apply a large upwards force to the maxilla from ramming the food (or gum) into the maxillary dentition, im not talking about just having built up masseter muscles

3. i dont think you can read but i said that this doesnt actually generate new forward growth it simply maximizes what you have



you try to sound like you know what youre talking about with shit like "muh frankfurt plane" but you managed to be wrong about literally everything you just said jfl
 
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get falim gum and no its fine, crooked teeth are caused by sucking inwards on the maxillary teeth when improperly swallowing which overtime narrows the arch
will it effect my results in a huge? doesn't seem like falim gum is available here and ordering it will have a huge tax
I usually take 2-3 gums at once and chew them 1-2 hours
 
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will it effect my results in a huge? doesn't seem like falim gum is available here and ordering it will have a huge tax
I usually take 2-3 gums at once and chew them 1-2 hours
just get some from amazon its like 6 bucks, its by far the best gum for chewing
 
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get falim gum and no its fine, crooked teeth are caused by sucking inwards on the maxillary teeth when improperly swallowing which overtime narrows the arch
Why specifically Falim? Is it just because it is sugar-free or is there another reason as well?
 
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Why specifically Falim? Is it just because it is sugar-free or is there another reason as well?
that, and its hard as hell and doesnt have a flavor (that diminishes, it tastes like shit jfl) so you can reuse it a ton
 
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iq is a correlation for intelligence it doesnt mean u are actually smart this post is very low iq

1. this is a correction method for recessed people i never said once that this would be more effective than naturally mewing on people with very malleable bones with open sutures, just when oldcels are recessed its very hard to change nonsurgically for those two reasons

2. when chewing the mandible will apply a large upwards force to the maxilla from ramming the food (or gum) into the maxillary dentition, im not talking about just having built up masseter muscles

3. i dont think you can read but i said that this doesnt actually generate new forward growth it simply maximizes what you have



you try to sound like you know what youre talking about with shit like "muh frankfurt plane" but you managed to be wrong about literally everything you just said jfl
I'm living in your head rent free cunt, watching all the shit form in your brain ready for you to post. Let's be honest cunt you haven't evaluated any of the points I made. You gained the approval of a bunch of idiots on a forum by posting long-winded bullshit threads in an attempt to sell yourself as a high IQ erudite of looksmax.me, it's just pathetic cunt. Bottom line, MAXILLARY DEVELOPMENT IS DRIVEN BY THE TONGUE, if such a claim wasn't obvious enough already.
 
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that, and its hard as hell and doesnt have a flavor (that diminishes, it tastes like shit jfl) so you can reuse it a ton
The ones i found on ebay are flavored. Wouldn't the flavorless ones taste like shit from the beginning?
 
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Great post from retard. I can vouch for the validity of this post because my face has become way more masculine looking and robust after chewing 5 pieces of falim gum for 5 days a week for 45 minutes. That's 210 minutes in total, times that with 4-5 weeks (how long I've been doing it) that's a whole lot of chewing. My midface has shortened and my cheekbones have become more pronounced.
 
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