bad wording from me, idk how else i can explain it, might aswell hear ur opinion when u disagree
i dont think theres a way to tell without increasing/experiencing it...
oh shit i didnt know that jfl
unsure about the dick but the deepening of the voice is really depented on each genetics
More sensitive = more prone to balding right?
Just so you know tren is a progesterone derivative and is 5 times more potent than test and yeah at least 2 times more potent than dht aka dihydrotestosterone but still tren is ultra androgenic and will make you bald you quick if you're prone to it
Methyltestosterone and halotestin are testosterone derivatives and mibolerone, trestolone and trenbolone are 19-nortestosterone derivatives, not DHT derivatives.
Look at your father and grandfathers.
yea i didnt mean to say ALL are dht
In fact it does lol male acne is dht induced dht overstimulates oil glands
Like seriously dht after 18 is cancer DESTROYED me with acne in my early twenties
Disclaimer: I wrote this a while back and thought it might be applicable to add, however i have changed of my views on this.
Androgenic effect on secondary male characteristics
- Sexual dimorphism and its role in attractiveness of men
Testosterone-dependent secondary sexual characteristics in malesmay signal immunological competence1 and are sexually selected for in several species Enhancing the sexual dimorphism of human faces should raise attractiveness by enhancing sex-hormone-related cues to dominance and immunocompetence in males
For Caucasian and Japanese male faces, increasing the masculinity of face shape across the three set members increased ranking of perceived dominance, masculinity and age but decreased ranking of perceived warmth, emotionality, honesty, cooperativeness and quality as a parent
http://sci-hub.tw/10.1038/29772
“Testosterone affects a number of male facial features. In pubertal males, facilitated by a high testosterone-to-estrogen ratio, the cheekbones, mandibles and chin grow laterally, the bones of the eyebrow ridges and central face grow forward, and the lower facial bones lengthen. Large size of these male sexually dimorphic facial traits is hypothesized to be an honest signal of ability to engage in intrasexual confrontation, and they also contribute to men’s perceived facial dominance.
Feminine normal masculine
Low T normal T High T
High facial width-to-height ratio (fWHR) has been associated with a cluster of behavioural traits in men, including aggression and status-striving. This association between face structure and behaviour may be caused by testosterone. In addition, face-width-to-lower-height ratio was positively associated with testosterone in both samples, suggesting that, in particular, facial width (scaled by two measures of facial height) is associated with testosterone.
Higher cheekbones and a wide (not necessarily squared) jaw are also positively associated with testosterone.
DHT deserves a special mention because it is a very active androgen and acts to induce masculine, aesthetic changes in facial features. However, sensitivity to DHT is an important issue, in the sense that DHT is more “active” after periods of rest or inaction.
(https://peweemaster7.wordpress.com/research-and-proof-dimorphism-and-ratios/)
2. Effect of Dihydrotestosterone
Dihydrotestosterone is a hormone that stimulates the development of male characteristics (an androgen). It is made through conversion of the more commonly known androgen, Testosterone. However you can also take DHT
Growth of body hair, including underarm, abdominal, chest hair and pubic hair. Loss of scalp hair due to androgenic alopecia can also occur.
Greater mass of thigh muscles in front of the femur, rather than behind it as is typical in mature females
Growth of facial hair
Enlargement of larynx (Adam’s apple) and deepening of voice[3]
Increased stature; adult males are taller than adult females, on average
Heavier skull and bone structure
Increased muscle mass and strength
Larger hands, feet and nose than women, prepubescent boys, and girls
Larger bodies
Square face
Small waist, but wider than females
Broadening of shoulders and chest; shoulders wider than hips[4]
Increased secretions of oil and sweat glands, often causing acne and body odor[3]
Coarsening or rigidity of skin texture due to less subcutaneous fat
Higher waist-to-hip ratio than prepubescent or adult females or prepubescent males, on average
Lower bodyfat percentage than prepubescent or adult females or prepubescent males, on average
Enlargement (growth) of the penis (during puberty)
Studies/ Proof
Penis
Following baseline clinical and laboratory assessments all completed a 4-month course of daily DHT gel 2.5% (androstanolone) topically to penis (0.3 mg/kg body weight), with monitoring for adverse effects. Primary outcome was change in stretched penile length (SPL) following treatment
In the available literature, topical DHT appears to be safe when used for periods of 3–4 months at the doses noted above
Topical DHT treatment appears to be a safe and well tolerated alternative to high-dose IM testosterone for micropenis associated with PAIS. Our case series suggests that for pre- and peri-pubertal boys, this may be a very effective therapy,
sci-hub.tw/10.1515/jpem-2015-0175
Study #2
To investigate the efficacy of transdermal dihydrotestosterone therapy on 22 patients with microphallus, we applied dihydrotestosterone gel for 8 weeks to the external genitalia at daily doses of 12.5 mg. and 25 mg. for ages less than and older than 10 years, respectively
The mean increase rate (153%) in the first 4 weeks of treatment was higher than that (118%) of the second 4 weeks
Notice how even the 15year old was a good responder
sci-hub.tw/10.1016/s0022-5347(17)35576-3
Secondary sexual characteristics
Four months of DHT treatment (50 mg im every 2 wk) in adolescent boys with delayed puberty was associated with: 1) the appearance of secondary sexual characteristics commensurate with Tanner stage II of puberty; 2) body composition changes characterized by increased lean body mass and decreased percent body fat; 3) no change in IGF-I, mean nocturnal GH, and E2 concentrations; 4) no change in rates of lipolysis; 5) no change in rates of proteolysis; 6) decreased HDL level; and 7) no change in glucose metabolism and insulin sensitivity.
Note that this dose is small compared to what i would take 50mg daily (id take 14x that dose)
after 4 months of DHT treatment, both weight and height increased (weight, 45.9 ± 3.7 vs. 49.6 ± 3.6 kg, P < 0.001; height, 149.9 ± 1.6 vs. 152.3 ± 1.5 cm, P < 0.001). Growth velocity increased from 4.4 ± 0.8 to 5.9 ± 0.9 cm/yr in five subjects in whom pretreatment growth velocity was available and to 7.1 ± 0.1 cm/yr (n = 10). Fat-free mass (FFM) increased significantly, and percentage body fat decreased
Study number 2
Significant changes in secondary sexual development were seen in both groups. Pubic hair increased from stage 1.1 + 0.1 to 2.0 f 0.5 in group A and from stage 1.2 + 0.2 to 2.2 f 0.3 in group B (P = NS). Testis size did not change appreciably in either group. Testis diameter before treatment was 5.5 + 1.1 in group A and 4.0 + 0.6 in group B (differences not significant by t test). These measurements were 5.8 f 2.2 and 4.7 f 0.8 after treatment, also not significantly different either between groups or as a result of treatment.
ted subjects grew at rates comparable to peak HV for normal pubertal boys (l), at least during the brief period of treatment. Since, in the T-treated subjects, ICGH increased at least 4-fold, and in the DHT-treated subjects, ICGH decreased almost 50%, an increase in GH secretion does not seem to be a necessary condition for androgen-stimulated growth.
sci-hub.tw/10.1210/jcem.76.4.8473416
For older subjects (keep in mind that in terms of androgenic, dht is stronger , Dihydrotestosterone has the ability to bind to sex hormone binding globulin (SHBG) more than three times higher than testosterone)
Keep in mind this used low dose of 250mg test/3 weeks
Masculinizing therapy for F→M transsexual people was simpler in comparison, with fewer variations between patients and providers.
More than half of the patients felt that the treatment raised general well-being and so had a positive effect sci-hub.tw/10.1111/j.1439-0272.1978.tb03037.x
Example of facial changes following testosterone therapy (all older than 17-18)
How to take / Dosage
Gel: Cost$$ 80dollars for 240day dosage
https://looksmax.org/threads/how-to-make-dht-gel.12557/
“It has not yet been determined whether local application of androgen is superior to the systemic route but theoretically a high concentration of androgen for penile tissue may be obtained at the site of local application.”
Note: the absorption rate for this is only 40% so multiply your dose by .4 to find how much is actually going in your body
Oral: proviron 50mg/day
Cost $ 1gram is 5.5$
Cycle had to be 10 weeks and has to include a PCT
Few communities that know their shit when it comes to roids : Brotherhoodofpain, steroidsources, fitmisc
Injection: Masteron 300mg/week
Creatine: loading 25g/day 1st week, after 5g/day
Serum dht levels increased by 56%
Side effects
Hair loss: I suggest you do peppermint + dermarolling, if you see any signs of balding add ru58841 (topical dht blocker)
Acne: tretinoin 20mg/day (you can order this probably from the same website you order your DHT powder)
wtf is this bullshit, why do trannies that cut their balls off and nuke all the androgens never bald then?
tbh Ik it's over for me anyway I just wanna know if I'll be able to magically grow cheekbones in the next few years. If not, and my face is going to stay exactly then same I'm hopping on fin asap
Too late for me lollll
