Do women prefer a dude leave their shirt on during sex if the guy is fat?

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I'm always been curious about this, when a girl fcks a out of shape dude, would she prefer his shirt be on?

I assume it would also be good for the guy as well since it would save him the embarrassment, and taking off your shirt doesnt really offer any more stimulation during the sexual interaction
 
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Out of shape men don't have sex. (escorts not included)
 
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I wonder what @LondonVillie would have to say about that.
 
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Niggers
 
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Ppl that are on bulks do, Im curious if they leave their shirt on when they're bloated
 
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Most people have sex and yes I’ve had sex many times, unlike you- a truecel
Problem?
I meant that he was wrong since you have sex even though you're obese.
 
Maybe
I mean if an obese guy can get laid it’s pretty over for you
I can get laid too, I get matches on Badoo. On tinder I don't but it's only because of the algorithm which has turned against me for some unknown reason. But on Badoo I have as much success as a friend of mine who once had lots of success on tinder, so I'm not an incel, and definitely not truecel.
 
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I can get laid too, I get matches on Badoo. On tinder I don't but it's only because of the algorithm which has turned against me for some unknown reason. But on Badoo I have as much success as a friend of mine who once had lots of success on tinder, so I'm not an incel, and definitely not truecel.
You’re coping about tinder. I get likes all the time and I’m subhuman. That makes you worse tbh. An Incel is a virgin and since you’re a virgin you’re an incel. You’re too old too tbh. A 22 year old virgin is a anomaly 😞
 
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I can get laid too, I get matches on Badoo. On tinder I don't but it's only because of the algorithm which has turned against me for some unknown reason. But on Badoo I have as much success as a friend of mine who once had lots of success on tinder, so I'm not an incel, and definitely not truecel.
You continue to repeat the same shit but you never do anything to lose your verginity jfl at you
 
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You continue to repeat the same shit but you never do anything to lose your verginity jfl at you
He told me he can model and slay
Is this not true?
 
If a woman wants you to keep your shirt on during sex, chances are you are paying for it.
 
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This is the guy claiming he’s the best looking guy on here?


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I never said I could model, and this is one of my worst pictures but like I said many times, I am average looking.

I thought I was above average before joining this forum because my parents keep acting like I'm the best looking guy in the world, even though I know that it's not true since it's not possible and I don't look that good. I joined the site to understand how to detect the features that make someone ugly or good looking.

It took me some time but I finally understand how it works, I know which flaws cause me to be average looking. And I know why I could never be a model or an actor, or at least not with my current looks level.

I would need:

3 Hardmaxxing things:
-rhinoplasty
-2 plastic eye surgeries with taban md
-mandible implants to make my jaw as big as the guy in my avi

3 Softmaxxing things:
-gymmaxxing from 170 lbs to 220 lbs at 10-15% body fat
-growing my hair out
-skinmaxxing

Then maybe I think I would either be high tier normie or chadlite.
 
I never said I could model, and this is one of my worst pictures but like I said many times, I am average looking.

I thought I was above average before joining this forum because my parents keep acting like I'm the best looking guy in the world, even though I know that it's not true since it's not possible and I don't look that good. I joined the site to understand how to detect the features that make someone ugly or good looking.

It took me some time but I finally understand how it works, I know which flaws cause me to be average looking. And I know why I could never be a model or an actor, or at least not with my current looks level.

I would need:

3 Hardmaxxing things:
-rhinoplasty
-2 plastic eye surgeries with taban md
-mandible implants to make my jaw as big as the guy in my avi

3 Softmaxxing things:
-gymmaxxing from 170 lbs to 220 lbs at 10-15% body fat
-growing my hair out
-skinmaxxing

Then maybe I think I would either be high tier normie or chadlite.
You’ll be too old and awkward
It’s over I’m sorry
 
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You’ll be too old and awkward
It’s over I’m sorry
What I forgot to mention is that I don't need to be high tier normie or Chadlite, even at the average level, I still get a lot more opportunities than most of the guys that I know just because I am tall and skinny.

It is only over in the sense that I will never become a successful model but I knew that already because to be a successful model, you have to start as a kid or teenager at the latest otherwise it's impossible, and when I was a kid or teenager I was skinny fat and my face was worse than it is now I was below average in looks so I never stood a chance at becoming a successful model.

It's not over for me to have success with women, but it's over for me to use my looks as a career. I know guys who are much uglier than me who have success with women, the women that I can attract are much hotter than theirs though. Just because I never acted on my opportunities doesn't mean that I can't get laid.

Also, it has only been 2 years since I am average in looks because I only did the surgery in July 2018, and the pandemic started in March and it took me a long time to realize the difference, it was only in January and February that I realized this fully when 2 really hot girls at my school (each from a different class) were really attracted to me, I didn't approach them because I didn't understand why they were checking me out since I had always been invisible throughout high school and I never got checked out before the surgery.

Then I remembered how during 2019, there were some other instances of this where girls checked me out and I didn't understand why at the time but they wanted me to approach them. If I was used to it or if it had happened to me for many years, then I would have already been used to it and I would have acted on it. It's not that I was shy, I just didn't get why I was suddenly so attractive to them.

And when I say such things it may seem like bragging but it's not, because although I get checked out a lot more, it's not like all the girls in the room check me out, it's still only a few of them who do it, but if I had been going out frequently before the pandemic then I would know exactly how attractive I am to women, and whether I get checked out a lot or if it is rare.

Since I have only had that look for 2 years, I can't be sure of anything, all I know is that I have some opportunities to get laid with women that I find highly attractive even though before not even beckies were checking me out.
 
I'm always been curious about this, when a girl fcks a out of shape dude, would she prefer his shirt be on?

I assume it would also be good for the guy as well since it would save him the embarrassment, and taking off your shirt doesnt really offer any more stimulation during the sexual interaction
Idk about the shirt thing but what they would prefer is a guy that isn’t fat so doesn’t really matter
 
What I forgot to mention is that I don't need to be high tier normie or Chadlite, even at the average level, I still get a lot more opportunities than most of the guys that I know just because I am tall and skinny.

It is only over in the sense that I will never become a successful model but I knew that already because to be a successful model, you have to start as a kid or teenager at the latest otherwise it's impossible, and when I was a kid or teenager I was skinny fat and my face was worse than it is now I was below average in looks so I never stood a chance at becoming a successful model.

It's not over for me to have success with women, but it's over for me to use my looks as a career. I know guys who are much uglier than me who have success with women, the women that I can attract are much hotter than theirs though. Just because I never acted on my opportunities doesn't mean that I can't get laid.

Also, it has only been 2 years since I am average in looks because I only did the surgery in July 2018, and the pandemic started in March and it took me a long time to realize the difference, it was only in January and February that I realized this fully when 2 really hot girls at my school (each from a different class) were really attracted to me, I didn't approach them because I didn't understand why they were checking me out since I had always been invisible throughout high school and I never got checked out before the surgery.

Then I remembered how during 2019, there were some other instances of this where girls checked me out and I didn't understand why at the time but they wanted me to approach them. If I was used to it or if it had happened to me for many years, then I would have already been used to it and I would have acted on it. It's not that I was shy, I just didn't get why I was suddenly so attractive to them.

And when I say such things it may seem like bragging but it's not, because although I get checked out a lot more, it's not like all the girls in the room check me out, it's still only a few of them who do it, but if I had been going out frequently before the pandemic then I would know exactly how attractive I am to women, and whether I get checked out a lot or if it is rare.

Since I have only had that look for 2 years, I can't be sure of anything, all I know is that I have some opportunities to get laid with women that I find highly attractive even though before not even beckies were checking me out.
If you don’t have sex by 21 at the latest it’s over
 
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Say that to a PUA I know who had the most sex during his late 20s and early 30s. In the looks department, most of the people here would say that it's over for him but he was getting laid a lot and with very beautiful women.

Unless you look older than your age, getting laid can only become easier as you get older especially if you looksmax, and moneymax, it has definitely been the case for me, I am more attractive now at 22 than I have ever been in my entire life.
 
Say that to a PUA I know who had the most sex during his late 20s and early 30s. In the looks department, most of the people here would say that it's over for him but he was getting laid a lot and with very beautiful women.

Unless you look older than your age, getting laid can only become easier as you get older especially if you looksmax, and moneymax, it has definitely been the case for me, I am more attractive now at 22 than I have ever been in my entire life.
Sounds like cope
 
Sounds like cope
It only is if your genetics are bad, if you don't looksmax and you don't moneymax.

Not everyone is the same, some guys are at their peak when they are young, others are at their peak when they are older and a few lucky ones are at their peak for their entire life.

As we know from the black pill, women are attracted to looks, money and status. You can't be good looking past a certain age, but if you make six figures or better, you can still attract women past that age until your death. Looksmaxxing is only more efficient because it requires less time, but if you put an ugly billionaire against a poor Chad, the ugly billionaire will do far better than the poor Chad most of the time because that level of money will mog looks every time, and it is probably the same for multi millionaires too.

However, most of us will never be multi billionaires but it's easier to looksmax than to get that amount of money so it's the fastest path to getting what we want.

TL;DR: Getting laid when you're older only becomes easier if you increase your LMS enough as you get older. If you stay the same, then yes it's over.
 
It only is if your genetics are bad, if you don't looksmax and you don't moneymax.

Not everyone is the same, some guys are at their peak when they are young, others are at their peak when they are older and a few lucky ones are at their peak for their entire life.

As we know from the black pill, women are attracted to looks, money and status. You can't be good looking past a certain age, but if you make six figures or better, you can still attract women past that age until your death. Looksmaxxing is only more efficient because it requires less time, but if you put an ugly billionaire against a poor Chad, the ugly billionaire will do far better than the poor Chad most of the time because that level of money will mog looks every time, and it is probably the same for multi millionaires too.

However, most of us will never be multi billionaires but it's easier to looksmax than to get that amount of money so it's the fastest path to getting what we want.

TL;DR: Getting laid when you're older only becomes easier if you increase your LMS enough as you get older. If you stay the same, then yes it's over.
It’s over
 
Says the obese guy with 78 days of his life spent on the site. In my book, obese girls don't count as lays.
Yet but you’re a permavirgin and I’m not
Hmm well no girl is into you anyways so I win you lose. Brutal
I’m so sorry for you
 
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I never said I could model, and this is one of my worst pictures but like I said many times, I am average looking.

I thought I was above average before joining this forum because my parents keep acting like I'm the best looking guy in the world, even though I know that it's not true since it's not possible and I don't look that good. I joined the site to understand how to detect the features that make someone ugly or good looking.

It took me some time but I finally understand how it works, I know which flaws cause me to be average looking. And I know why I could never be a model or an actor, or at least not with my current looks level.

I would need:

3 Hardmaxxing things:
-rhinoplasty
-2 plastic eye surgeries with taban md
-mandible implants to make my jaw as big as the guy in my avi

3 Softmaxxing things:
-gymmaxxing from 170 lbs to 220 lbs at 10-15% body fat
-growing my hair out
-skinmaxxing

Then maybe I think I would either be high tier normie or chadlite.
you'r above average automatically tbh, you have more or less an average face right now - more than that a little bit because of lower third and phenotype/eye color - and tall height.
people who say you aren't above average IRL, don't understand how appeal works.
 
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keep crying for me when i whip my shirt off during sex and let my man boobies bounce around
 
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you'r above average automatically tbh, you have more or less an average face right now - more than that a little bit because of lower third and phenotype/eye color - and tall height.
people who say you aren't above average IRL, don't understand how appeal works.
LondonVillie is just a troll anyways I know that. But when people say that I am average, they are not talking about my height but my face. But from what I have seen, women who prefer tall men tend to have lower standards when looking at tall men because they know that we are rare, so we can only be mogged if a hotter guy of a similar height as us is in the same room and is competing against us for the same girl.

In other words, as a tall man, the competition is very low when trying to get a woman who will not settle for anything less than a tall man.

And I have noticed why I never had any experience with women, it's because I never take action, not just with women but with everything in my life, I procrastinate with schoolwork, I procrastinate with my life goals and I procrastinate with the important tasks and responsibilities that I have as an adult.

I have found a solution though, whenever I want to be productive, all I need to do is to force myself to start the thing that I want to accomplish, because once I have started, it becomes a lot easier to finish what I started because the ADHD medication that I take every day allows me to stay focused on whatever task I choose to do. The only discomfort and doubt that I get is right before I start. If I can build a good habit of taking constant action in my life, then I will be a lot more successful with what I wish to achieve.
 
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And I have noticed why I never had any experience with women, it's because I never take action, not just with women but with everything in my life, I procrastinate with schoolwork, I procrastinate with my life goals and I procrastinate with the important tasks and responsibilities that I have as an adult.
Can relate so much... i wish i was more "adult".
I have found a solution though, whenever I want to be productive, all I need to do is to force myself to start the thing that I want to accomplish, because once I have started, it becomes a lot easier to finish what I started because the ADHD medication that I take every day allows me to stay focused on whatever task I choose to do. The only discomfort and doubt that I get is right before I start. If I can build a good habit of taking constant action in my life, then I will be a lot more successful with what I wish to achieve.
How do you know if you have ADHD, you have to consult? You can get it when beeing an adult?
 
Cunt what kind of question is that jfl
 
Ppl that are on bulks do, Im curious if they leave their shirt on when they're bloated
If your fat on a bulk to the point you can’t take your shirt off during a bulk that’s the main issue
 
Can relate so much... i wish i was more "adult".

How do you know if you have ADHD, you have to consult? You can get it when beeing an adult?
Yes, you have to go see a psychologist then they do an IQ test, and with the IQ test that is how they know if you are normal or if you have a mental illness. And yes, it's not exclusive to children, for most of the people with ADHD, it stays for their entire life, only a few are lucky enough to have it disappear when they get older. And it works in different degrees, some are more intense than others and some are hyperactive while others are hypoactive, the two are opposites.

In my case, I am hypoactive, the main benefit is that I am not impulsive at all while most hyperactive people are very impulsive, so I never get angry, but the downside is that instead of having much more energy than the average person, I have much less energy than the average person, when I don't take my medication, it's like my brain doesn't work anymore, I can't think about anything that requires effort, reading becomes extremely difficult and I become tired all the time, so basically, my life becomes a living hell. For hyperactive people, without their medication, they do a lot better energy-wise, but they get angry too much and are still unable to focus on their college classes.
 
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Yes, you have to go see a psychologist then they do an IQ test, and with the IQ test that is how they know if you are normal or if you have a mental illness. And yes, it's not exclusive to children, for most of the people with ADHD, it stays for their entire life, only a few are lucky enough to have it disappear when they get older. And it works in different degrees, some are more intense than others and some are hyperactive while others are hypoactive, the two are opposites.

In my case, I am hypoactive, the main benefit is that I am not impulsive at all while most hyperactive people are very impulsive, so I never get angry, but the downside is that instead of having much more energy than the average person, I have much less energy than the average person, when I don't take my medication, it's like my brain doesn't work anymore, I can't think about anything that requires effort, reading becomes extremely difficult and I become tired all the time, so basically, my life becomes a living hell. For hyperactive people, without their medication, they do a lot better energy-wise, but they get angry too much and are still unable to focus on their college classes.
I see thank you. So you must be above average IQ wise to have ADHD ? it's not possible otherwise?
 
I see thank you. So you must be above average IQ wise to have ADHD ? it's not possible otherwise?
No, ADHD is a mental illness, it is not a gift, ADHD is not linked to IQ level at all. Famous scientists who had ADHD tend to have a high IQ but it's not due to the ADHD at all. ADHD is a mental disability just like dyslexia and autism, it is not a gift, it does not give me benefits over normal people, it just makes my life a lot more difficult.

But even though ADHD isn't linked to IQ, it can have a big influence on the hobbies and interests that you have and it can make you start a lot of projects that you never finish. With the way that Leonardo Da Vinci lived his life, it is very likely that he had ADHD because he started a lot of things that he never finished, he had so many interests that he kept developing and he lost interest for things that he was doing, a lot of his work was left unfinished because of this.

But Da Vinci wasn't a genius because of his ADHD, he was a genius because of his high IQ and it's the same with all the other famous celebrities and historical figures who are said to have or to have had ADHD, it has only made their life more difficult, not easier, and they accomplished what they did not because of their ADHD but in spite of it.

For people who don't have ADHD, it can seem like a crutch that people use to cope with their failures and laziness but it is real, it's just that it does not prevent people from becoming successful, it only makes it more difficult, even when you have a high IQ. To give you an idea, my IQ is at around 120, which is the same as my little brother but while he skipped a grade in elementary school, I had to work much harder than everyone else to graduate high school without failing a grade, it wasn't easy but with hard work, I succeeded.
 
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No, ADHD is a mental illness, it is not a gift, ADHD is not linked to IQ level at all. Famous scientists who had ADHD tend to have a high IQ but it's not due to the ADHD at all. ADHD is a mental disability just like dyslexia and autism, it is not a gift, it does not give me benefits over normal people, it just makes my life a lot more difficult.

But even though ADHD isn't linked to IQ, it can have a big influence on the hobbies and interests that you have and it can make you start a lot of projects that you never finish. With the way that Leonardo Da Vinci lived his life, it is very likely that he had ADHD because he started a lot of things that he never finished, he had so many interests that he kept developing and he lost interest for things that he was doing, a lot of his work was left unfinished because of this.

But Da Vinci wasn't a genius because of his ADHD, he was a genius because of his high IQ and it's the same with all the other famous celebrities and historical figures who are said to have or to have had ADHD, it has only made their life more difficult, not easier, and they accomplished what they did not because of their ADHD but in spite of it.

For people who don't have ADHD, it can seem like a crutch that people use to cope with their failures and laziness but it is real, it's just that it does not prevent people from becoming successful, it only makes it more difficult, even when you have a high IQ. To give you an idea, my IQ is at around 120, which is the same as my little brother but while he skipped a grade in elementary school, I had to work much harder than everyone else to graduate high school without failing a grade, it wasn't easy but with hard work, I succeeded.
I can relate so much to you, eventho my english is dogshit tier... And understand everything you say it talks to me a lot.
I'm exactly this kind of guy - i'll never say i'm high IQ to be fair -, once i have a passion, i work more than anyone on it, and few months later i just forget it as if it never excited. I NEVER MANAGED TO REACH A BALANCE. It's all or nothing : When it's all, few people can compare to me in the autism dedication, when it's nothing, nobody can care as much about the things than i do.
That's why i'm afraid of the professionnal world. I can't stay 24/7 in the same wageslave area, doing the same things.

I don't know if it's a sign of ADHD. I'm also very sensitive, way too much, overthink too much, debate myself too much on every aspect of life, but eventho i love reasoning and questioning everyday issues, i hate to read, in fact i never read any book totally on my own - i always stop when i lose envy.

i feel like i'm a failure of failure, and my parents are disappointed in me. I used to be a good student, then became dogshit because of this, so i don't know it's probably not ADHD if it's not present since birth.
But it affects me so much... Way more than looks, especially given i'm above average, i just cope with looks to forget about the real issues.
And i don't know what can be my mental disease.
 
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I can relate so much to you, eventho my english is dogshit tier... And understand everything you say it talks to me a lot.
I'm exactly this kind of guy - i'll never say i'm high IQ to be fair -, once i have a passion, i work more than anyone on it, and few months later i just forget it as if it never excited. I NEVER MANAGED TO REACH A BALANCE. It's all or nothing : When it's all, few people can compare to me in the autism dedication, when it's nothing, nobody can care as much about the things than i do.
That's why i'm afraid of the professionnal world. I can't stay 24/7 in the same wageslave area, doing the same things.

I don't know if it's a sign of ADHD. I'm also very sensitive, way too much, overthink too much, debate myself too much on every aspect of life, but eventho i love reasoning and questioning everyday issues, i hate to read, in fact i never read any book totally on my own - i always stop when i lose envy.

i feel like i'm a failure of failure, and my parents are disappointed in me. I used to be a good student, then became dogshit because of this, so i don't know it's probably not ADHD if it's not present since birth.
But it affects me so much... Way more than looks, especially given i'm above average, i just cope with looks to forget about the real issues.
And i don't know what can be my mental disease.
If you are unable to focus on anything for a long period of time then you may have ADHD, what you are describing really sounds like ADHD, so you should at least get diagnosed by a psychologist, or even better, a neuropsychologist, they specialize in the subject of mental disorders like ADHD so their analysis is even more accurate. If you do have that and get treated, then your life will become a lot easier than if you do nothing, that is sure. There is no cure but there is treatment and that is far better than nothing.

Do you hate to read or do you find it impossible to focus? That is the question you need to ask yourself also. If you just hate reading, it's because you read boring books, you need to find a genre that you really like and focus on that instead of reading a book just because it's a classic. Classics are a good place to start though, you need to try many different genres and many different authors to find which ones you prefer and which ones you find boring. Reading can be fun if you can find books that you like. Most of the books in schools are really boring or simply not meant for young people and that is the problem. Then we start to associate reading with boring books even though there are a lot of very interesting books.
 
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