Dowden Appliance V1 Creation - Pull Your Maxilla forward

[Luke LLL]

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[Cope]

why is this psl 10 prettyboy teaching me how to ascend

 

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Can you teach me how to get NW0 @nelson

 

[LordNorwood]

Sincerely thank you for your contributions @nelson , mirin

 

[Deleted member 3962]

if u show us xrays of actual results i will be a very happy snake

 

[Luke LLL]

mirin your dedication to helping others.

but face-pulling is as cope as mewing and chewing. It's all the same.

Chewing is retarded. Just eat, don't excessively chew. Mewing works if you start before 12 years old. Facepulling is for teens and people in their early 20s. MSE anchored pulling can, in theory, work with anyone. We just need someone to test it out. I might! Stay tuned.

 

[Deleted member 2227]

Why is @CopeAndRope banned? literally roped?

 

[LordNorwood]

Why is @CopeAndRope banned? literally roped?

coped
then inevitably roped

 

[diggbicc]

coped
then inevitably roped

srs bro?

 

[Deleted member 2227]

coped
then inevitably roped

srs bro?

ded srs

 

[GoMadAndSTFU]

This is way more simple than the first one . If i dont build this today i am a bitch.
But this also seems to prevent the chin to grow !????
On a scalde from 1 to 10 , how comfortable it feel in mouth ?

 

[Chadelite]

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Dental Burrs https://amzn.to/2NWt774

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fuark UK cels had to go to sleep
LOOK AT THIS JEW:

mirin your dedication to helping others.

but face-pulling is as cope as mewing and chewing. It's all the same.

you are too lazy to make this so you call it cope

 

[GarixTheChad]

Will this give you recessed chin?

 

[Deleted member 685]

Not gonna waste another 100 bucks, and there's no signicant proof this works on humans instead of MSE assisted facepulling

 

[Zdeweilx]

High iq tbh

 

[GoMadAndSTFU]

Wait we cant close our teeth its gonna be a, big problem for the mandibule ! How can you explain that ?

 

[Deleted member 685]

Wait we cant close our teeth its gonna be a, big problem for the mandibule ! How can you explain that ?

He can't, I don't hate Nelson but he's just a random kid who looked up a few orthodontic devices

 

[Lorsss]

@nelson
In my opinion in this new appliance we still should put acrylic in the back of the gums around the molars. If we put pressure on the back of the dental arches, we make sure that not only the frontal teeth get pushed forward, but the whole dental arch.
in my opimion if you create an appliance that does not surround the molars/wisdom teeth, then you will only push forward the frontal teeth (just like the AGGA does) and the rest of the maxilla will remain there

there is another thing I need to report. You claim that CopeAndRope's appliance does not stay in the palate properly, however if during the acrylic reshaping with dremel, you avoid to remove too much acrylic around the teeth, then CopeAndRope's appliance will wedge into your upper jaw without falling down

 

[Lorsss]

Will this give you recessed chin?

if you use a reverse pull headgear, yes
if you use a neck brace, no

 

[Lorsss]

Wait we cant close our teeth its gonna be a, big problem for the mandibule ! How can you explain that ?

If we build the mold of both upper teeth and lower teeth, then we can design an appliance where nails go through the empty spaces of the teeth.
this is how dental technicians build palate expanders

 

[GoMadAndSTFU]

If we build the mold of both upper teeth and lower teeth, then we can design an appliance where nails go through the empty spaces of the teeth.
this is how dental technicians build palate expanders

Yeah so We should not nuild this appliance ...

 

[CristianT]

you have way to much free time on your hands my dude

 

[SixCRY]

mirin hard, nice work

 

[Deleted member 2621]

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Yellow Buff Stone https://amzn.to/2ROePqr

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Dremel (Cheap) https://amzn.to/2RNCFSX

Dremel (Used in the video) https://amzn.to/2RG1GQ8

Dental Burrs https://amzn.to/2NWt774

Sanding Drums (Did not use in video - Good to have) https://amzn.to/2NWc59n

Separator https://www.greatlakesdentaltech.com/great-lakes-separator-8-oz_175-034.html Polymer https://amzn.to/2Rkaqwe

Monomer https://www.greatlakesdentaltech.com/monomer-light-blue-8-oz_040-026.html

Monomer Dispenser https://amzn.to/2GigtuX

Pressure Pot (Cheap - Used in the video) https://amzn.to/2TTEsca

Pressure Pot (Better) https://amzn.to/2NVfogQ Pressure Pot (Pro) https://www.greatlakesdentaltech.co...ustable-temperature-pressure-pot_225-040.html

Expander (For guide coming) https://amzn.to/3aD12LZ

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How much? Ny money loose for @CopeAndRope

 

[GoMadAndSTFU]

If we build the mold of both upper teeth and lower teeth, then we can design an appliance where nails go through the empty spaces of the teeth.
this is how dental technicians build palate expanders

There no empty place of the teeths where you can put a nail

Over . We need an answer

 

[retard]

Can you get your molars to touch with this appliance? Looks good just think the mandible might suffer at the cost of the maxilla growth if you can’t touch your molars in tandem with the backwards force on the jaw

I also think the force does need to be higher on the frontal palate to stimulate proper development via mewing, as the only way to get a CCW rotation is by applying more force to the front than the back of the palate, and if you push equally it will result in just a translation of the maxilla (not bad just not as good imo)

For the old appliance about not sticking it to the top of the mouth I avoided that by just increasing the vertical height of where I was pulling from

 

[Lorsss]

There no empty place of the teeths where you can put a nail

Over . We need an answer

you can't put nails between the teeth, but you can put wire there.

 

[Blackout.xl]

Waiting on people to post results one day tbh. When that happens, facepulling will go big

 

[Deleted member 4675]

Can we move to Vimeo where normies won’t find us

 

[Luke LLL]

Wait we cant close our teeth its gonna be a, big problem for the mandibule ! How can you explain that ?

Mike mew says that if you want the best chance at achieving CCW rotation, then you should leave a slight gap between your teeth, and not have them sealed fully.

@nelson
In my opinion in this new appliance we still should put acrylic in the back of the gums around the molars. If we put pressure on the back of the dental arches, we make sure that not only the frontal teeth get pushed forward, but the whole dental arch.
in my opimion if you create an appliance that does not surround the molars/wisdom teeth, then you will only push forward the frontal teeth (just like the AGGA does) and the rest of the maxilla will remain there

there is another thing I need to report. You claim that CopeAndRope's appliance does not stay in the palate properly, however if during the acrylic reshaping with dremel, you avoid to remove too much acrylic around the teeth, then CopeAndRope's appliance will wedge into your upper jaw without falling down

My goal with this appliance was to replicate the tongue’s pressure on the palate. The tongue isn’t wrapped around the molars, but now that I think of it it would probably help it stay in place better.

@nelson
In my opinion in this new appliance we still should put acrylic in the back of the gums around the molars. If we put pressure on the back of the dental arches, we make sure that not only the frontal teeth get pushed forward, but the whole dental arch.
in my opimion if you create an appliance that does not surround the molars/wisdom teeth, then you will only push forward the frontal teeth (just like the AGGA does) and the rest of the maxilla will remain there

there is another thing I need to report. You claim that CopeAndRope's appliance does not stay in the palate properly, however if during the acrylic reshaping with dremel, you avoid to remove too much acrylic around the teeth, then CopeAndRope's appliance will wedge into your upper jaw without falling down

My goal with this appliance was to replicate the tongue’s pressure on the palate. The tongue isn’t wrapped around the molars, but now that I think of it it would probably help it stay in place better.

This is way more simple than the first one . If i dont build this today i am a bitch.
But this also seems to prevent the chin to grow !????
On a scalde from 1 to 10 , how comfortable it feel in mouth ?

Way better than the first one imo.

 

[BlackPillChad]

For everyone worried that the normies are going to find out about this just because @nelson is throwing it on youtube...

Don't. Normies will think this is batshit crazy incel shit. Only blackpilled people will actually put in the effort to build and wear this thing.

 

[Lorsss]

@nelson
And furthermore in the end of the video you use a facemask that makes the mandible more recessed, instead of using a neck brace as CopeAndRope recommended. I'm sorry but I don't see any reason to keep this guide pinned since it shows an appliance which is worse than the one CopeAndRope designed.

If you listen to our advice, I'm sure we can design the ultimate facepuller together in future

 

[Luke LLL]

this is facepulling, not mewing.
you need to keep the bite strognly closed in order to make the mandible grow at the same speed of the maxilla.
Look at how Facebow are disegned:
View attachment 288051
The patient strongly bites an appliance which is pulled forward. As you can see keeping the teeth closed is necessary to make the mandible grow alongside the maxilla.

You should have used wire to connect the appliance to the elastic band. The nail is too thick to make the user close the teeth

Again, if mike says archiving CCW rotation is easier done if you keep the teeth separated slightly, this is the same thing. The madible isn’t growing at all, it is just sliding forward.

 

[Lorsss]

Again, if mike says archiving CCW rotation is easier done if you keep the teeth separated slightly, this is the same thing. The madible isn’t growing at all, it is just sliding forward.

how can the mqandible slide forward if you use a facemask that keeps the chin back?

 

[Luke LLL]

how can the mqandible slide forward if you use a facemask that keeps the chin back?

MSE uses the same appliance. This will not recess the mandible.

 

[Lorsss]

MSE uses the same appliance. This will not recess the mandible.

Newton's laws of motion, law III

When one body exerts a force on a second body, the second body simultaneously exerts a force equal in magnitude and opposite in direction on the first body.

if you pull your maxilla forward, you need a point of support. while you exert a force on the maxilla in forward direction, then a equal force equal in magnitude and opposite in direction will be exerted on the point of support.

if the point of support is the chin, then your mandible will be pushed back.

if the point of support is your neck, nothing will happen because human neck is very strong and can hold a 1kg force without getting deformed

the same force you use to push your maxilla forward, leads to your mandible being pushed back

THIS IS WHY YOU MUST USE A NECK BRACE

 

[Luke LLL]

Newton's laws of motion, law III

When one body exerts a force on a second body, the second body simultaneously exerts a force equal in magnitude and opposite in direction on the first body.

if you pull your maxilla forward, you need a point of support. while you exert a force on the maxilla in forward direction, then a equal force equal in magnitude and opposite in direction will be exerted on the point of support.

if the point of support is the chin, then your mandible will be pushed back.

if the point of support is your neck, nothing will happen because human neck is very strong and can hold a 1kg force without getting deformed

View attachment 288229

the same force you use to push your maxilla forward, leads to your mandible being pushed back

THIS IS WHY YOU MUST USE A NECK BRACE

Why can't the mandible hold 1kg of force? Are there any cases of this appliance recessing the jaw?

 

[Lorsss]

Why can't the mandible hold 1kg of force? Are there any cases of this appliance recessing the jaw?

the reverse pull headgear you are using is literally designed to fix mandible excess in people with underbite.
people who wear the reverse pull headgear end up having a more projected maxilla and a more recessed mandible and that's OK to fix the underbite

 

[Lorsss]

nelson please stop using your reverse pull headgear or you will end up with overbite and a fucked up face

 

[Alexanderr]

if u show us xrays of actual results i will be a very happy snake

99.9% sure there are none. In fact, I wouldn’t be surprised if there aren’t any results at all. Since 1. not many people have tried this 2. people haven’t tried it long enough to see results.

 

[Lorsss]

99.9% sure there are none. In fact, I wouldn’t be surprised if there aren’t any results at all. Since 1. not many people have tried this 2. people haven’t tried it long enough to see results.

there are already xrays of facepulling.

TMJ, JAW PAIN: Get rid of teeth grinding in 30 minutes a day.

Do-it-yourself TMJ treatment can give you relief from teeth grinding and jaw pain without surgery.

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the guy used his braces as infra-oral appliance and a hockey helmet as puller

 

[Alexanderr]

there are already xrays of facepulling.

TMJ, JAW PAIN: Get rid of teeth grinding in 30 minutes a day.

Do-it-yourself TMJ treatment can give you relief from teeth grinding and jaw pain without surgery.

jawpain-tmjtreatment.com

the guy used his braces as infra-oral appliance and a hockey helmet as puller

You have any more results?

 

[Lorsss]

You have any more results?

no, currently no users of Looksmax have shown Facepuller results.
Recently I asked the guy who inspired CopeAndRope if he can send me his results, but the guy has not replied yet.

 

[Luke LLL]

the reverse pull headgear you are using is literally designed to fix mandible excess in people with underbite.
people who wear the reverse pull headgear end up having a more projected maxilla and a more recessed mandible and that's OK to fix the underbite

View attachment 288233

These appliances don't push the mandible back, they bring the maxilla forward.

 

[Patient A]

Nelson, I commend your efforts 100%.

but this is just really bad

but I must ask, what difficulties did you face with the last one you made... lmao I already know...

Looks incredibly uncomfortable.

another friendly reminder of how far ahead of this forum I am

inb4 show proof - no

you have way to much free time on your hands my dude

No, you just waste yours you fucking loser

 

[retard]

it will recess the mandible, this persons mandible was moved back and down 2 mm from a reverse pull headgear with a chin cup

 

[Luke LLL]

Nelson, I commend your efforts 100%.
Looks incredibly uncomfortable.

None of these appliances will be comfortable.

 

[SixCRY]

using chin strap for avoiding mouthbreathing and keeping mouth close during sleep can also be a plus what do you think?

 

[Luke LLL]

using chin strap for avoiding mouthbreathing and keeping mouth close during sleep can also be a plus what do you think?

Mouth taping is better, but if you're doing face pulling then it's not possible.