Famous PUA with model tier looks and Harvard degree had a 4.4% success rate with women

[eduardkoopman]

1/10 dates leading to sex means something wrong imo, should be like 25-50% at least I think

I have nearly 95-100% conversion rate (date-->sex) of all my my tinder/bumble meet ups. 1/10 is absurdly low.

With that kind of percentages, I would had been slayer. I think a combo of stuff happening why it was 10%:
1. Most often I got resistance when inviting her to my place.
2. I was in general a bit on the passive side turning stuff sexual.
3. When turning stuff sexual, I got more often then I liked offended replys. Like a speech about not being a sex object but a human being, or accusations about being just like other guys. I dunno wtf was going on I guess maybe I got casted for the betabuxxing role or maybe I chose the wrong type of women.
4. Logistics I should had better planned in general.

 

[DrTony]

sample size?

btw this thread motivates me to approach more. a white chad can't get even 5% so being rejected is always based mostly on luck and not looks

Sample size is large and thus reliable. 67 women in 18 months in USA (lays all from online). Off the top of my head I only remember 4-5 women who I met in real life (either at bar or directly at my place) who I didn't end up having sex with. It has become so repetitive that texting/meeting up/doing the act feels like I am talking to the same girl. Women are dramatically similar to each other in some aspects (they can look different, have different jobs, different accents, IQ, hobbies but their predictability and how they respond is quite profoundly similar).

 

[Moneymaxxed]

Sample size is large and thus reliable. 67 women in 18 months in USA (lays all from online). Off the top of my head I only remember 4-5 women who I met in real life (either at bar or directly at my place) who I didn't end up having sex with. It has become so repetitive that texting/meeting up/doing the act feels like I am talking to the same girl. Women are dramatically similar to each other in some aspects (they can look different, have different jobs, different accents, IQ, hobbies but their predictability and how they respond is quite profoundly similar).

Yeah they are meme
What are your messages like? Do you screen them for dtf?

With that kind of percentages, I would had been slayer. I think a combo of stuff happening why it was 10%:
1. Most often I got resistance when inviting her to my place.
2. I was in general a bit on the passive side turning stuff sexual.
3. When turning stuff sexual, I got more often then I liked offended replys. Like a speech about not being a sex object but a human being, or accusations about being just like other guys. I dunno wtf was going on I guess maybe I got casted for the betabuxxing role or maybe I chose the wrong type of women.
4. Logistics I should had better planned in general.

They saw you as beta for some reason or you were selecting prude women somehow. Better to screen half of these out and not waste time

Also all dates should have been close to your place

 

[fellofix]

The setting you meet women in and vibe you give off is almost as important as how you look.

cope, theres a reason why this place is called looksmax and not whereyoumeethermax, Chad can jump over her stall door when shes taking a shit and fuck her within 10 minutes.

 

[Slayer]

cope, theres a reason why this place is called looksmax and not whereyoumeethermax, Chad can jump over her stall door when shes taking a shit and fuck her within 10 minutes.

 

[fellofix]

what the fuck can you people stop posting my avi, that handsome youn' chap is not me.

 

[Deleted member 1338]

invisible to JBs.

That guy is no 7psl in my opinion
And he has an skinny fat body

So 5% success is realistic for him

psl 2 for jbs.

 

[Deleted member 2854]

Daygame is so fucking hard. I’ve tried doing it in London a couple of times but just ended up walking around for 2 hours and approaching maybe 1 girl at most, the anxiety it produces is just too high. You need to have a certain brain wiring (low inhibition or just very bluepilled) to be able to weather all the rejections and still continue

 

[mikeock]

Daygame is so fucking hard. I’ve tried doing it in London a couple of times but just ended up walking around for 2 hours and approaching maybe 1 girl at most, the anxiety it produces is just too high. You need to have a certain brain wiring (low inhibition or just very bluepilled) to be able to weather all the rejections and still continue

Check up on some inhibition lowering nootropics. Being low inhib is so crucial to being good with women if you're normie level

 

[gaymidget]

There is no way of slaying (and I mean real slaying) without at least average looks and fame. Every YouTuber picks up women from instagram, they just ask them to meet them in a hotel and fuck them. Of course, if you have male model looks, you can slay a good amount. I know a chad friend who is slaying and getting approached by women, but he is nowhere near the scale of some youtubers or instagram stars. Look up the German youtubers inscope and Tim Gabel. They both fucked over 100 women without any problem despite both not being PSL6 or higher. Look up the guy on my AVI, Till Lindemann. He is the frontman of Rammstein and he looks like a disgusting Ogre and despite his looks, he dropped a porn video recently where he fucks two dozen Russian models in their 20s in a hotel room. If you really want to slay(and I mean really, women drooling over you, fighting for your attention and selling their soul to be your gf), you have to be fame. No way around that.

 

[OCDMaxxing]

There is no way of slaying (and I mean real slaying) without at least average looks and fame. Every YouTuber picks up women from instagram, they just ask them to meet them in a hotel and fuck them. Of course, if you have male model looks, you can slay a good amount. I know a chad friend who is slaying and getting approached by women, but he is nowhere near the scale of some youtubers or instagram stars. Look up the German youtubers inscope and Tim Gabel. They both fucked over 100 women without any problem despite both not being PSL6 or higher. Look up the guy on my AVI, Till Lindemann. He is the frontman of Rammstein and he looks like a disgusting Ogre and despite his looks, he dropped a porn video recently where he fucks two dozen Russian models in their 20s in a hotel room. If you really want to slay(and I mean really, women drooling over you, fighting for your attention and selling their soul to be your gf), you have to be fame. No way around that.

 

[eduardkoopman]

Check up on some inhibition lowering nootropics. Being low inhib is so crucial to being good with women if you're normie level

Can you tell, which ones you used (if so)??

There is no way of slaying (and I mean real slaying) without at least average looks and fame. Every YouTuber picks up women from instagram, they just ask them to meet them in a hotel and fuck them. Of course, if you have male model looks, you can slay a good amount. I know a chad friend who is slaying and getting approached by women, but he is nowhere near the scale of some youtubers or instagram stars. Look up the German youtubers inscope and Tim Gabel. They both fucked over 100 women without any problem despite both not being PSL6 or higher. Look up the guy on my AVI, Till Lindemann. He is the frontman of Rammstein and he looks like a disgusting Ogre and despite his looks, he dropped a porn video recently where he fucks two dozen Russian models in their 20s in a hotel room. If you really want to slay(and I mean really, women drooling over you, fighting for your attention and selling their soul to be your gf), you have to be fame. No way around that.

Really rare to be famous. Even much more rare, then beingrich. Legit though, to be famous. Most people that wanna famous, fail at becoming so I think.

 

[Mr.cope]

Ideal nose

 

[prgfromnl]

4:30 brutal mog

 

[mikeock]

Can you tell, which ones you used (if so)??

I was always low inhib in my youth, but it started fading with age. I think being an entrepreneur increased my cortisol levels. I've used ashwagandha and it helped bring me back to my youthful levels of low inhibition

 

[Deleted member 6908]

I understand where the OP is coming from and I do agree and believe that this hole "be a chad" and get pussy easily theory is overblown.

HOWEVER

Now you know where I am going with this.

He is going up to women ON-THE-STREET. Randomly stopping them and parting with their number.

In a party/club he can act right there and then. Chemistry is formed/blossomed. She has alcohol in her system and she finds him hot af, powerful af, with his success/status and is drawn in.

A 4.4% success rate going up to them on the street is a different ball game.

 

[gaymidget]

Can you tell, which ones you used (if so)??


Really rare to be famous. Even much more rare, then beingrich. Legit though, to be famous. Most people that wanna famous, fail at becoming so I think.

Its hard to be in the top 10% of all males, but you have to be either obscenely rich or fame on top of good looks. If you just want a gf and normal sex life, than being good looking helps a lot. But trucels on this site shouldn't believe that when they ascend to chad level(which is very rare) you still wont go out and be approached and fuck good looking women on a daily basis with zero effort. Look at that guy, he has a degree from Havard, is fucking 188cm tall and good looking and despite that, he still had to work his ass of to fuck a lot of women.

 

[Moneymaxxed]

Its hard to be in the top 10% of all males, but you have to be either obscenely rich or fame on top of good looks. If you just want a gf and normal sex life, than being good looking helps a lot. But trucels on this site shouldn't believe that when they ascend to chad level(which is very rare) you still wont go out and be approached and fuck good looking women on a daily basis with zero effort. Look at that guy, he has a degree from Havard, is fucking 188cm tall and good looking and despite that, he still had to work his ass of to fuck a lot of women.

When you’re gl like that your slays are pretty attractive and it’s fun since you’re getting positive responses a lot though.

You can approach 25 women in a single day so imagine him getting a lay a day. Most men don’t get 5 attractive lays in their life. Pretty insane result.

If he wasn’t spam approaching randoms broad daylight sober in nyc for 2 minute interactions and instead optimizing tinder/binge/bumble or even nightlife he would do better. And if instead of phone numbers he had social media he’d also do better. He did things the hardest way possible. Even me, being fat and ethnic can probably do at least 1/50-100 cold approaches under perfect conditions because of a lot of optimizations (you’d think 0 results or 1/500)

 

[Deleted member 6908]

That guy is no 7psl in my opinion
And he has an skinny fat body

So 5% success is realistic for him

Dude shut the fuck up man.

It is biologically proven that the "swimmer body" is the most commonly sort after body amongst women.

It has the perfect V to it. This is the show of dominance, like an ostrich spreading it's wings. It's not about being a meat-head. I can't stand people like you who think they know it all and have zero open mind lol. Insane arrogance. Clueless.

The vast majority of women want this

Over this

This is biological and many studies have been done. I challenge you to go to any female dominated forum, feminist, non-feminist, whatever, take your picks. Run a survey poll and see where they vote.

The guy even said he had a "swimmers' body", showing he is educated on the female attraction.

Say he's not PSL 7 in the face, but don't claim he hasn't got the body women buy for.

I appreciate you can't be a 5'8 manlet like I am and pull the swimmer body off and that's why I don't go with it. 5'11 minimum I'd say. Requires height for the V to actually be worth looking at.

 

[Soalian]

Dude shut the fuck up man.

It is biologically proven that the "swimmer body" is the most commonly sort after body amongst women.

It has the perfect V to it. This is the show of dominance, like an ostrich spreading it's wings. It's not about being a meat-head. I can't stand people like you who think they know it all and have zero open mind lol. Insane arrogance. Clueless.

The vast majority of women want this
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This is biological and many studies have been done. I challenge you to go to any female dominated forum, feminist, non-feminist, whatever, take your picks. Run a survey poll and see where they vote.

The guy even said he had a "swimmers' body", showing he is educated on the female attraction.

Say he's not PSL 7 in the face, but don't claim he hasn't got the body women buy for.

I appreciate you can't be a 5'8 manlet like I am and pull the swimmer body off and that's why I don't go with it. 5'11 minimum I'd say. Requires height for the V to actually be worth looking at.

When we consider swimmer's body, we always tend to factor acceptable height into it, ever thought about a sub-6' swimmer as a poster child for the swimmer's body?

Yeah sure they "only" want lean, athletic physiques a la Brad Pitt in Fight Club, or a "swimmer's body", right, but you'd better have that face/height attached to it.

For guys 4-6 PSL, every detail matters, gymcelling may seem like a good trade-off to optimize things; nothing is black or white when you're in the average mass.

 

[Deleted member 6908]

When we consider swimmer's body, we always tend to factor acceptable height into it, ever thought about a sub-6' swimmer as a poster child for the swimmer's body?

Yeah sure they "only" want lean, athletic physiques a la Brad Pitt in Fight Club, or a "swimmer's body", right, but you'd better have that face/height attached to it.

For guys 4-6 PSL, every detail matters, gymcelling may seem like a good trade-off to optimize things; nothing is black or white when you're in the average mass.

Could not disagree and that is why I mentioned you'll only pull the "swimmer body" off at 5'11 minimum.

Otherwise you're better maximising on the more muscularly defined, but also somewhat lean look.

Like this dude who's 5'9

 

[mikeock]

The link in OP stopped working and I'm not allowed to edit it. But here's the archived version

Is Paul Janka The Real Deal? | Pick Up Artist Mindset

Paul Janka has recently burst onto the PUA scene with his Attraction Formula e-book. I have never seen him in action besides his exposure on television programs

web.archive.org

@Sergeant you can add this link to OP to make it coherent

 

[Rochefort6]

To all those talking shit, we all know you’ve never attempted this enough or at all.

 

[eduardkoopman]

To all those talking shit, we all know you’ve never attempted this enough or at all.

To add, for everyone.

IF interactions DON"T go easy like these videos below.
You are not good looking enough for her, AND just fucking bail.


Most guys, give themselfes to much pressure, because they feel they need to say cool stuff. AND keep the convo going and have like a 5 minute monologue ready, to keep the girl from walking away. WRONG. It should NOT be like that, if she find you ho she wil talk back and make it easy for you!
A bitch into you, will participate. Like how these reversed examples show. Dudes that are into her, are responsing really well, asking questions back not letting the convo fall flat, stuff like that. If a random ain't doing that, when you chat her up, pretty much game over.

 

[gaymidget]

Dude shut the fuck up man.

It is biologically proven that the "swimmer body" is the most commonly sort after body amongst women.

It has the perfect V to it. This is the show of dominance, like an ostrich spreading it's wings. It's not about being a meat-head. I can't stand people like you who think they know it all and have zero open mind lol. Insane arrogance. Clueless.

The vast majority of women want this
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Over this
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This is biological and many studies have been done. I challenge you to go to any female dominated forum, feminist, non-feminist, whatever, take your picks. Run a survey poll and see where they vote.

The guy even said he had a "swimmers' body", showing he is educated on the female attraction.

Say he's not PSL 7 in the face, but don't claim he hasn't got the body women buy for.

I appreciate you can't be a 5'8 manlet like I am and pull the swimmer body off and that's why I don't go with it. 5'11 minimum I'd say. Requires height for the V to actually be worth looking at.

You chose a very poor bodybuilder, he is a manlet and doesn't have good genetic. The PU guy is doesn't have a good body. He isn't very tall or has a long torso. He is just lean, thats what he is meaning with swimmer bodies but he would look a lot better if he had 5-10kg more muscle on him.

 

[Deleted member 6908]

You chose a very poor bodybuilder, he is a manlet and doesn't have good genetic. The PU guy is doesn't have a good body. He isn't very tall or has a long torso. He is just lean, thats what he is meaning with swimmer bodies but he would look a lot better if he had 5-10kg more muscle on him.

How can you tell, when we never saw him topless dude?

6'1 is tall enough to pull-off the swimmer physique.

Lol you can't tell if he's simply meaning "I'm lean". You don't say I have a swimmers' body if you're "just lean". The swimmer body doesn't rip out of your clothes, so you're never gonna see it's attractive detail unless you're wearing a tight-fit shirt.

 

[JamesHowlett]

So legit.

The expectation that women will always approach you and will be easy to pick up if you’re good looking is what’s destroying our mental state. That one rejection is soul crushing.

 

[Deleted member 5632]

Yeah even for Chad. Some of these guys are pretty gl.
When you think about it makes sense. Why did men evolve to sow their seed anywhere they could? Because most women put up significant resistance. If they didn't, why would men have evolved that way?

This times 100

 

[eduardkoopman]

So legit.

The expectation that women will always approach you and will be easy to pick up if you’re good looking is what’s destroying our mental state. That one rejection is soul crushing.