Feminine features are necessary for harmony

[TheEndHasNoEnd]

For the longest time in history (until recently) men were seen as the purely visual creatures and females as those wanting security. That's what led to women evolving towards the beauty standards that men desired. Beauty could be seen as synonymous with femininity, as women have their lives centered around beauty and have it as their greatest weapon. And us as men are the best at quantifying beauty, as we have a better mind geared towards objectively valuing it.

It's only recently though, due to feminism and industrialization, that women don't have the dependence on men that they used to. They now, more than ever, have the ability to choose their mating partners without the worry of survival. Yet, the standards that we have set for beauty have yet to dissipate. Men still own the fashion industry after all, it is like how most countries have freed themselves from British rule and yet are still white washed. Women don't have a fully original opinion of what they think is beautiful, of course dimorphism is part of it, but not completely. If dimorphism was fully it, ogres would dominate the smv and prettyboys would have no part in it, which is simply not the case. Us as men have set the standards with our more logical minds on what facial ratios are considered attractive, women do not have this innate logic, so they will follow us on this. We have set the logical (ratio) basis for beauty, women just sprinkle dimorphic features (muscular wide jaw, browridge, chin, etc) on top of it. So being feminine in the most important ratios= being the most harmonious.

Any validation to my claim of women appreciating the same ratios that we have set the standard to? Averageness. Both genders like averaged ratios the most. There was a whole thread about it and I'm too lazy to explain: https://looksmax.org/threads/averag...t-and-underrated-in-the-psl-community.127999/
You can also check out this site to average out the faces: http://faceresearch.org/demos/average
You'll notice that if you average out the male and female faces, ratios will look extremely similar and the only difference between the two will be dimorphism.

So what are the most important ratios to harmony? It is midface ratio, fwhr, and es ratio. I will post examples of people that wouldve been good looking had they have had good ratios:

Midface ratio

Fwhr

Es ratio

Another feature that is feminine that is ideal to both genders is a good nose. Nose is extremely important in harmony as humans first notice the nose and the area around it (midface) first when looking at a person. I have made a thread on this: https://looksmax.org/threads/the-importance-of-nose-in-facial-harmony.131550/

Now we have mentioned *averaged* features, how about going to the feminine side? Looks even better imo. A compact midface, high es ratio, high fwhr, and good nose are all seemingly feminine features, yet could even *increase* harmony than averaged. An example that comes to mind is prime Jordan Barrett:

 

[Deleted member 5912]

couldn't help but cage at the short ugly brown pic

 

[Vidyacoper]

great thread, people keep coping with shit like "b-but muhh long midface and long philtrum is dimorphic!"

 

[DesperadoRatado]

couldn't help but cage at the short ugly brown pic

Is he wearing a choker?

 

[jordanbarrettisgod]

great thread, people keep coping with shit like "b-but muhh long midface and long philtrum is dimorphic!"

but I do agree that sometimes a longish mid face can make some1 look very majestic and graceful if that makes sense

 

[TheEndHasNoEnd]

but I do agree that sometimes a longish mid face can make some1 look very majestic and graceful if that makes sense

People aren't unicorns buddy

 

[jordanbarrettisgod]

People aren't unicorns buddy
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Moh's avi looks like a deer due to the long midaface imo
Sean just looks very beautiful due to it

 

[Deleted member 5052]

Ratios change dramatically depending on camera lenses essentially making them useless irl. No one sees a slight mm deviation of eye spacing or nose length. Only in still 2d image ratios matter and like i said it changes with camera lenses.
IRL important features are height, frame, warrior skull, hollow cheeks, eye area, tight submental/defined jawline, concave philtrum, defined masseter, skin, hair, voice

 

[Vidyacoper]

but I do agree that sometimes a longish mid face can make some1 look very majestic and graceful if that makes sense

this is majestic and graceful:

not this:

 

[TheEndHasNoEnd]

Ratios change dramatically depending on camera lenses essentially making them useless irl. No one sees a slight mm deviation of eye spacing or nose length. Only in still 2d image ratios matter and like i said it changes with camera lenses.
IRL important features are height, frame, warrior skull, hollow cheeks, eye area, tight submental/defined jawline, concave philtrum, defined masseter, skin, hair, voice

No, I read somewhere forgot where that the human eye corrects any sort of distortion that lens may have, so if you have a legit 1.1 midface ratio, people will see that too and it has a much different look than a 1 midface ratio. People are not as consciously aware of these ratios like the features you mentioned, but those features are pointless with shit ratios as ratios are what define harmony for the most part

 

[jordanbarrettisgod]

this is majestic and graceful:
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not this:
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tuff
coach imma need a sub

 

[Deleted member 2733]

Ratios change dramatically depending on camera lenses essentially making them useless irl. No one sees a slight mm deviation of eye spacing or nose length. Only in still 2d image ratios matter and like i said it changes with camera lenses.
IRL important features are height, frame, warrior skull, hollow cheeks, eye area, tight submental/defined jawline, concave philtrum, defined masseter, skin, hair, voice

Hydrogen Oxide

 

[jordanbarrettisgod]

Hydrogen Oxide

mirin avi so hard bro lmaooo

 

[Deleted member 5052]

No, I read somewhere forgot where that the human eye corrects any sort of distortion that lens may have, so if you have a legit 1.1 midface ratio, people will see that too and it has a much different look than a 1 midface ratio. People are not as consciously aware of these ratios like the features you mentioned, but those features are pointless with shit ratios as ratios are what define harmony for the most part

Shit ratios are pretty rare tbh. If someone has blackops2cel tier ratios then it's quite evident he not gonna have the features I've just said since the entire face is not properly grown. But if the ratios aren't on the extreme ends (which is rare) then it doesn't matter that much

 

[TheEndHasNoEnd]

Shit ratios are pretty rare tbh. If someone has blackops2cel tier ratios then it's quite evident he not gonna have the features I've just said since the entire face is not properly grown. But if the ratios aren't on the extreme ends (which is rare) then it doesn't matter that much

Most people have lower than ideal ratios, bad midface and fwhr cuz of mouth breathing in modern times. Averageness is not the same as being average, the average has many flaws. It's ideal or past ideal ratios that are the most attractive, even high ones can make up for something like a lack of bones due to the harmony increase

 

[Deleted member 4797]

Fully masculine men can slay tho. This guy has 0 feminine features, he would get a ton of pussy in a nightclub setting.

 

[Deleted member 6873]

short ugly and a genetic abomination xd

 

[Phillybeard1996]

I didnt know high fwthr was feminine

 

[Norwooder]

For the longest time in history (until recently) men were seen as the purely visual creatures and females as those wanting security. That's what led to women evolving towards the beauty standards that men desired. Beauty could be seen as synonymous with femininity, as women have their lives centered around beauty and have it as their greatest weapon. And us as men are the best at quantifying beauty, as we have a better mind geared towards objectively valuing it.

It's only recently though, due to feminism and industrialization, that women don't have the dependence on men that they used to. They now, more than ever, have the ability to choose their mating partners without the worry of survival. Yet, the standards that we have set for beauty have yet to dissipate. Men still own the fashion industry after all, it is like how most countries have freed themselves from British rule and yet are still white washed. Women don't have a fully original opinion of what they think is beautiful, of course dimorphism is part of it, but not completely. If dimorphism was fully it, ogres would dominate the smv and prettyboys would have no part in it, which is simply not the case. Us as men have set the standards with our more logical minds on what facial ratios are considered attractive, women do not have this innate logic, so they will follow us on this. We have set the logical (ratio) basis for beauty, women just sprinkle dimorphic features (muscular wide jaw, browridge, chin, etc) on top of it. So being feminine in the most important ratios= being the most harmonious.

Any validation to my claim of women appreciating the same ratios that we have set the standard to? Averageness. Both genders like averaged ratios the most. There was a whole thread about it and I'm too lazy to explain: https://looksmax.org/threads/averag...t-and-underrated-in-the-psl-community.127999/
You can also check out this site to average out the faces: http://faceresearch.org/demos/average
You'll notice that if you average out the male and female faces, ratios will look extremely similar and the only difference between the two will be dimorphism.

So what are the most important ratios to harmony? It is midface ratio, fwhr, and es ratio. I will post examples of people that wouldve been good looking had they have had good ratios:

Midface ratio
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Fwhr
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Es ratio
View attachment 512194

Another feature that is feminine that is ideal to both genders is a good nose. Nose is extremely important in harmony as humans first notice the nose and the area around it (midface) first when looking at a person. I have made a thread on this: https://looksmax.org/threads/the-importance-of-nose-in-facial-harmony.131550/

Now we have mentioned *averaged* features, how about going to the feminine side? Looks even better imo. A compact midface, high es ratio, high fwhr, and good nose are all seemingly feminine features, yet could even *increase* harmony than averaged. An example that comes to mind is prime Jordan Barrett:
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I don't care about you

 

[TheEndHasNoEnd]

I don't care about you

Cared enough to quote and respond on my thread lmao

 

[Schizoidcel]

High IQ thread

 

[lifestyle21873]

the first guy looks like shit but takes pics like he is gigachad slayer

 

[Deleted member 8064]

Yeah you're right, his high fwhr + good midface ratio creates some insane harmony

 

[TheEndHasNoEnd]

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Yeah you're right, his high fwhr + good midface ratio creates some insane harmony

 

[Deleted member 8064]

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I tbh think lip shape has a huge part to how harmonious a face is. And philtrum to chin ratio.

 

[MentalistKebab]

Good ratios arent a feminine trait.

Jfl at OPs IQ

 

[JizzFarmer]

@Short Ugly and Brown

 

[Chadelite]

Good ratios arent a feminine trait.

Jfl at OPs IQ

Exactly
High fwhr = high prenatal t
High es = wide maxilla male trait since we have bigger skulls
Nose? A small nose like barret doesn't look. Good jfl he Looks gay from front

 

[Phillybeard1996]

Exactly
High fwhr = high prenatal t
High es = wide maxilla male trait since we have bigger skulls
Nose? A small nose like barret doesn't look. Good jfl he Looks gay from front

Is foward growth a masculine trait?

 

[Sikkunt23]

This is why chico mogs

 

[Chadelite]

Is foward growth a masculine trait?

Yes it is lol

Forward growth = forward chin to block punches
Forward cheekbones protect eyes
Forward brow

 

[TheEndHasNoEnd]

Good ratios arent a feminine trait.

Jfl at OPs IQ

Exactly
High fwhr = high prenatal t
High es = wide maxilla male trait since we have bigger skulls
Nose? A small nose like barret doesn't look. Good jfl he Looks gay from front

We as men have conceived the concept of good ratios and women have evolved to fit those ratios. The concept of good ratios IS feminine, they're the mathematics behind beauty, and beauty is considered feminine. IDK if high fwhr is related to high prenatal t or if it's just a correlation (not causation) but it is neotenous in women cuz it signals a shorter midface. High es is seen more in women bc women have wider ipd in relation to skull on average. Small nose is usually the reason for compact midface and small well shaped helps harmony a lot as it is one of the first things we notice in facial recognition.

 

[MentalistKebab]

We as men have conceived the concept of good ratios and women have evolved to fit those ratios. The concept of good ratios IS feminine, they're the mathematics behind beauty, and beauty is considered feminine. IDK if high fwhr is related to high prenatal t or if it's just a correlation (not causation) but it is neotenous in women cuz it signals a shorter midface. High es is seen more in women bc women have wider ipd in relation to skull on average. Small nose is usually the reason for compact midface and small well shaped helps harmony a lot as it is one of the first things we notice in facial recognition.

That is the most bullshit thing I hear, its like cucks in reddit calling Henry Cavill looks gay cuz he is good looking, they cant comprehend the concept of gl guys, and call it feminine

 

[animo123]

Shit my es ratio is 0.5
Do i need to invest in a rope

 

[a.i.ngel]

what is es ratio?

 

[Kingcel32]

I'm caging at this pic he looks like he just got denied from getting the last cookie in the cookie jar.

 

[Soalian]

I'm bumping this thread because I'm asking myself the question a lot atm:

What's the optimal masculine/feminine facial ratio in order to slay prime JBs?

Ofc it's complicated, we can leave it at the Prettyboy/Maesthetic/DOM masculine scale,

and decide to strike in the middle, and go for the Maesthetic look,

but really what we are looking for is to strategically push favorable feminine features (small, compact nose, forward growth, even long hair,etc,...) to the feminine max,

while we masculinemax the other features (Bones, eye area, masculine personality and demeanor,etc,...),

so that in the end we dimorphicmax every possible desirable feature, including the feminine ones, even it it means having desirable feminine features, looking even more feminine in us, than it does in the majority of women.

 

[Deleted member 5061]

For the longest time in history (until recently) men were seen as the purely visual creatures and females as those wanting security. That's what led to women evolving towards the beauty standards that men desired. Beauty could be seen as synonymous with femininity, as women have their lives centered around beauty and have it as their greatest weapon. And us as men are the best at quantifying beauty, as we have a better mind geared towards objectively valuing it.

It's only recently though, due to feminism and industrialization, that women don't have the dependence on men that they used to. They now, more than ever, have the ability to choose their mating partners without the worry of survival. Yet, the standards that we have set for beauty have yet to dissipate. Men still own the fashion industry after all, it is like how most countries have freed themselves from British rule and yet are still white washed. Women don't have a fully original opinion of what they think is beautiful, of course dimorphism is part of it, but not completely. If dimorphism was fully it, ogres would dominate the smv and prettyboys would have no part in it, which is simply not the case. Us as men have set the standards with our more logical minds on what facial ratios are considered attractive, women do not have this innate logic, so they will follow us on this. We have set the logical (ratio) basis for beauty, women just sprinkle dimorphic features (muscular wide jaw, browridge, chin, etc) on top of it. So being feminine in the most important ratios= being the most harmonious.

Any validation to my claim of women appreciating the same ratios that we have set the standard to? Averageness. Both genders like averaged ratios the most. There was a whole thread about it and I'm too lazy to explain: https://looksmax.org/threads/averag...t-and-underrated-in-the-psl-community.127999/
You can also check out this site to average out the faces: http://faceresearch.org/demos/average
You'll notice that if you average out the male and female faces, ratios will look extremely similar and the only difference between the two will be dimorphism.

So what are the most important ratios to harmony? It is midface ratio, fwhr, and es ratio. I will post examples of people that wouldve been good looking had they have had good ratios:

Midface ratio
View attachment 512180
Fwhr
View attachment 512181
Es ratio
View attachment 512194

Another feature that is feminine that is ideal to both genders is a good nose. Nose is extremely important in harmony as humans first notice the nose and the area around it (midface) first when looking at a person. I have made a thread on this: https://looksmax.org/threads/the-importance-of-nose-in-facial-harmony.131550/

Now we have mentioned *averaged* features, how about going to the feminine side? Looks even better imo. A compact midface, high es ratio, high fwhr, and good nose are all seemingly feminine features, yet could even *increase* harmony than averaged. An example that comes to mind is prime Jordan Barrett:
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Fam- good thread ngl.
If someone trolls, dont even listen to them.
Having 0 fem features is a huge disadvantage in today's SMV and as youve mentioned, it is very important for harmony.
The importance of the nose shape is often underrated, Ive seen a rhinoplasty that made a HTN guy become legit model tier (not top tier worldwide model like Gandy, Opry etc. but like on the state/country level) because it turned out to be the one missing piece of puzzle that brought great harmony to his face and ascended him alot.

Young Pitt had noticeable fem features in his face. Upper half of his face looked VERY feminine on some pictures!

Starting from middle of his nose and above, his upper half of the face and eye area looks pretty feminine. He had rather feminine top half of the face and very masc bottom half of the face, seems to be a very good combo.

 

[Deleted member 7419]

Getting rhino next week! Praying to the harmony gods!

 

[Phillybeard1996]

Fam- good thread ngl.
If someone trolls, dont even listen to them.
Having 0 fem features is a huge disadvantage in today's SMV and as youve mentioned, it is very important for harmony.
The importance of the nose shape is often underrated, Ive seen a rhinoplasty that made a HTN guy become legit model tier (not top tier worldwide model like Gandy, Opry etc. but like on the state/country level) because it turned out to be the one missing piece of puzzle that brought great harmony to his face and ascended him alot.

Young Pitt had noticeable fem features in his face. Upper half of his face looked VERY feminine on some pictures!
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Starting from middle of his nose and above, his upper half of the face and eye area looks pretty feminine. He had rather feminine top half of the face and very masc bottom half of the face, seems to be a very good combo.

Doesn't randy orton have 100 percent masculine features though?

 

[Deleted member 10987]

For the longest time in history (until recently) men were seen as the purely visual creatures and females as those wanting security. That's what led to women evolving towards the beauty standards that men desired. Beauty could be seen as synonymous with femininity, as women have their lives centered around beauty and have it as their greatest weapon. And us as men are the best at quantifying beauty, as we have a better mind geared towards objectively valuing it.

It's only recently though, due to feminism and industrialization, that women don't have the dependence on men that they used to. They now, more than ever, have the ability to choose their mating partners without the worry of survival. Yet, the standards that we have set for beauty have yet to dissipate. Men still own the fashion industry after all, it is like how most countries have freed themselves from British rule and yet are still white washed. Women don't have a fully original opinion of what they think is beautiful, of course dimorphism is part of it, but not completely. If dimorphism was fully it, ogres would dominate the smv and prettyboys would have no part in it, which is simply not the case. Us as men have set the standards with our more logical minds on what facial ratios are considered attractive, women do not have this innate logic, so they will follow us on this. We have set the logical (ratio) basis for beauty, women just sprinkle dimorphic features (muscular wide jaw, browridge, chin, etc) on top of it. So being feminine in the most important ratios= being the most harmonious.

Any validation to my claim of women appreciating the same ratios that we have set the standard to? Averageness. Both genders like averaged ratios the most. There was a whole thread about it and I'm too lazy to explain: https://looksmax.org/threads/averag...t-and-underrated-in-the-psl-community.127999/
You can also check out this site to average out the faces: http://faceresearch.org/demos/average
You'll notice that if you average out the male and female faces, ratios will look extremely similar and the only difference between the two will be dimorphism.

So what are the most important ratios to harmony? It is midface ratio, fwhr, and es ratio. I will post examples of people that wouldve been good looking had they have had good ratios:

Midface ratio
View attachment 512180
Fwhr
View attachment 512181
Es ratio
View attachment 512194

Another feature that is feminine that is ideal to both genders is a good nose. Nose is extremely important in harmony as humans first notice the nose and the area around it (midface) first when looking at a person. I have made a thread on this: https://looksmax.org/threads/the-importance-of-nose-in-facial-harmony.131550/

Now we have mentioned *averaged* features, how about going to the feminine side? Looks even better imo. A compact midface, high es ratio, high fwhr, and good nose are all seemingly feminine features, yet could even *increase* harmony than averaged. An example that comes to mind is prime Jordan Barrett:
View attachment 512207

Always said this
Feminine dont mean ugly if its natural and a good feature (Chico)

 

[Pei]

Yes it is lol

Forward growth = forward chin to block punches
Forward cheekbones protect eyes
Forward brow

Forward growth means better at sucking dick
, it’s femenine though

 

[blackckatt]

No one in this forum can define harmony ?