First Steroid Cycle

[LooksMaximus]

If you get on gear, make it a lifelong commitment. No reason to come off unless you want to procreate.

I hopped on 8 years ago at the age of 28. As a giga gangly ectomorph, my only regret is not starting at the age of 18. But I didn't have the balls or the access or the discipline to steroidmaxx and gymmaxx in my youth.

 

[Peruvian]

 

[shimada]

not even remotely fucking close your serums levels peak after last injection

done chatting m8 u don't know what your talking about

that makes no sense, you would need an infinite half life for that or would have to continuously inject in smaller and smaller timeframes

 

[ritalinredemption]

@jefferson what about acne? i followed this protocol exaclty and got terrible crater acne. anything to prevent this in future?

 

[shimada]

@jefferson what about acne? i followed this protocol exaclty and got terrible crater acne. anything to prevent this in future?

I had weird acne issues at first but it later went away. also injecting more frequently will stabilize levels and reduce sides. even injecting every 2 days for enanthate ester will be beneficial, just not ideal and a giant pain in the ass.

also maybe your AI was dosed poorly/fake or you took it too infrequently

 

[jefferson]

@jefferson what about acne? i followed this protocol exaclty and got terrible crater acne. anything to prevent this in future?

Yeah what he said but also it's a part of the game. You can use accutane if you don't want to deal with it.

I once read that even trt dosages of 150mg test raises the heart attack drastically. With 250 or 500mg the risk should be even higher.
Im really scared of hairloss (even with 1mg finasterid) and heart problems.

Then stay Natty.

 

[Looksmax305]

I once read that even trt dosages of 150mg test raises the heart attack drastically. With 250 or 500mg the risk should be even higher.
Im really scared of hairloss (even with 1mg finasterid) and heart problems.

150 will put you in the high normal range, that will cause almost zero heart damage and would take years if it did.

 

[robtical]

How mch of original T levels do pct recover

 

[jefferson]

How mch of original T levels do pct recover

Generally if not on for too long or using 19nors you should make a full recovery. Tbh it's best to run low dose hcg through the entire cycle to get the best chance at making a full recovery.

But once you do one cycle you're gonna want to be on for life anyways so

 

[Vermilioncore]

Just kill yourself with steroids theory

 

[robtical]

Generally if not on for too long or using 19nors you should make a full recovery. Tbh it's best to run low dose hcg through the entire cycle to get the best chance at making a full recovery.

But once you do one cycle you're gonna want to be on for life anyways so

Are u sure its full recovery? What about sperm quality damage? Honestly i dont see any bad effects of cycle then except hair loss, maybe heart liver dmg

 

[Wannabe6ft2]

What causes that gross red tinge to roiders skin? Is that just major tren abuse? Am I at risk of that with just test? Massive looksmin

 

[jefferson]

Are u sure its full recovery? What about sperm quality damage? Honestly i dont see any bad effects of cycle then except hair loss, maybe heart liver dmg

Generally. I've never seen someone having issues pcting off a test only cycle. Lots have issues with tren or deca cycles though. But there's no guarantee.

Blasting and cruising is the way to go anyways. Fuck pct.

What causes that gross red tinge to roiders skin? Is that just major tren abuse? Am I at risk of that with just test? Massive looksmin

I got that when on nandrolone and to a lesser extent on tren. Never really happened on test only.

Was super apparent on nandrolone though, it was winter in canada so I'm normally really pale but it looked like I had a sunburn when on that stuff. Nandrolone is just an all round looksmin tbh, the face bloat is insane. Would not recommend. Also fucks with your head.

 

[Deleted member 3612]

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Wrong, it peaks in just under 3 weeks with 250mg injected e3.5d (500mg/wk).

 

[Chintuck22]

Your first cycle should be a bulk using 500mg of testosterone weekly. This cycle should last between 12 and 15 weeks, although if you buy 3 vials you'll have enough for 15 weeks so you may as well use it all.

This cycle is recommended because the side effects are mild and most can easily be avoided, plus this is enough to make great gains on as a beginner. Some beginners try to be extra precautious and run less than 500mg their first cycle but this is a mistake because there really isn't a significant increase in side effects from 250mg/week and 500mg/week but 500mg will give you much better gains. Plus at 250mg/week dosing your aromatase inhibitor can be more complicated because it's easier to crash your estrogen levels.

What you will need:

For your cycle

1. 3x 10ml vials of testosterone enanthate dosed at 250mg/ml
2. 1 packet of Arimidex or Aromasin to control your estrogen levels.
3. 30 syringes with needles gauge 25 or 27, must be at least 1 cc. Needles should be 1" long for glute injection and 0.5" for quads. If you are fat then add an extra half inch to each.
4. alcohol wipes.
5. OPTIONAL:18-23 gauge drawing needles, this allows you to draw faster and keep the tip of your injecting needle sharp which can lead to less pain when injecting.
6. OPTIONAL: an oral steroid to kickstart your cycle, this will be explained later.
7. OPTIONAL: Liver support of TUDCA or NAC, only needed if you choose to kickstart with an oral steroid.
8. OPTIONAL: 5000ius of HCG. This will be run over the last 4-5 weeks of your cycle and will make pct easier, this will be explained later. I highly recommend getting this although it is optional.

For your pct

1. Nolvadex, 1 gram total. (a packet of 20mg x 50)

Explaining each part of the cycle:

Testosterone

This will be the basis of your cycle and is probably the most well tolerated and versatile steroid in existence, along with being the cheapest. Testosterone comes in many different esters with different half-lives. The half-life is how long it takes the substance to get released into your blood. For example, if you inject 500mg of testosterone with a 5 day half life then after 5 days only 250mgs of the substance will remain in your blood. After another 5 days only 125mgs will remain in your blood. So on and so forth until the amount in your blood is insignificant. The ester also carries a weight on the substance. For example in 100mg of testosterone enanthate only gives 70mg of actual testosterone because 30% of the substance is taken up by the enanthate ester. In general the longer the half-life of the ester, the higher the ester weight is.

The recommended ester for beginners is enanthate because it is a good middle ground when it comes to half-life. With testosterone enanthate, you must inject twice per week to keep stable blood levels of the substance. This means injecting every 3.5 days - Monday morning and Thursday afternoon are the most common injection times to do it every 3.5 days. When you are injecting every 3.5 days you will be injecting 250mg (1ml) each time to reach a total of 500mg per week.

Why do you need an aromatase inhibitor (AI)?

Your body as a man needs estrogen to function. Your body makes estrogen by converting testosterone via the aromatase enzyme. When you start taking excess testosterone, your body starts creating more estrogen via aromatizing to reach homeostasis. Excess estrogen can result in gyno, extreme bloat, being highly emotional and other unpleasant side effects. For this reason, we take an aromatase inhibitor to keep estrogen levels lower. However, it is important not to take to much AI because low estrogen also has bad side effects and inhibits your ability to build muscle.

Arimidex and Aromasin are the two best choices for aromatase inhibitors for most people. 1mg of Arimidex has similar anti-estrogen effects as 25mg of Aromasin.

Arimidex

Controls estrogen but is not a suicide inhibitor so if you stop taking it cold turkey you can get an estrogen rebound as a whole bunch or aromatase gets released. Thus it is important to taper off your dosage over the course of two weeks when you are done using it. Arimidex is a little hard on your lipids, but generally not something you need to worry about unless taking it at high doses for an extended period of time.

Aromasin

Overall, Aromasin is a better drug then Arimidex but is more expensive. Aromasin is a suicide inhibitor and you will not get an estrogen rebound when you stop taking it. It can also have a positive effect on your liver and cholesterol. The only real downside is that it's hard on some people's hairlines unlike arimidex. The most likely reason of this is that it metabolizes into a superpowered androgen much stronger than normal dht.

Aromatase inhibitor dosage.

On week 2-3 of your cycle start taking 0.25 of Arimidex or 6.25 mgs of Aromasin on pin days (every 3.5 days). You want to start off low and increase the dosage as needed so you don't crash your estrogen levels. If you start getting itchy/sensitive nipples before week 2-3 of your cycle then you may start taking AI sooner.

Below I have laid out how to increase the dosage. If the first one isn't enough to stop estrogen sides and make your nipples stop itching, move up one level. Eod stands for "Every other day" and ed stands for "Every day". The dosages below assume you use arimidex.

Level 1, start here: 0.25mg e3.5d = 0.5mg weekly

Level 2: 0.25mg eod = 0.875mg weekly

Level 3: 0.5mg e3.5d = 1mg weekly

Level 4: 0.5mg eod = 1.75mg weekly

Level 5: 0.5mg ed = 3.5 mg weekly.

Controlling estrogen:

This will be the hardest part of this cycle.

You can look up high and low estrogen symptoms on various forums but the truth is most estrogen side effects are very individual dependant and it can take time to figure out how high and low estrogen feels for you. The best way is to get bloodwork at week 5-6 of the cycle and adjust your AI dose based on your estrogen levels. If your estrogen is a bit above the normal range but you feel great then leave it as is. If you aren't getting side effects then keeping your estrogen on the higher side can be good for gains.

When it comes to libido high and low estrogen affects everyone completely differently so it's not a good measure of your estrogen levels unless you've cycled before and known how high or low estrogen affects your specific libido. However, if your sex drive drops to below what it was naturally or your dick stops working as well you can be pretty sure your estrogen isn't in a happy place but can't assume whether it's too high or too low.

When it comes to mood, sleep and energy changes the same thing is true. People just respond too differently for you to know if you have high or low estrogen as a first time user off those side effects. Also gyno isn't even a sure way to tell because not everyone gets that side effect.

So how can you even tell?:
The one universal effect of high and low estrogen is holding or excreting water. On high estrogen you will bloat and your bp will probably spike. On low estrogen you will dry out: your lips will feel dry, your joints will ache, your physique will look dry, you may get constipated due to the dryness. If your mood and libido are feeling off then notice whether you're retaining or losing water to see if your estrogen is high or low. When your estrogen is at a good place while on 500mg/wk test you should feel amazing.

Optional oral kickstart:

Testosterone enanthate takes about 4 weeks to fully saturate in your blood and 5-6 weeks before you really start seeing rapid changes to your body. Many people take an oral steroid to start their cycle for extra gains and so they don't have to wait 4 weeks. These will give you extra gains but come with added risk because they are liver toxic and most will increase your blood pressure. Go with tbol or anavar for an oral as those two will not complicate estrogen management or affect your blood pressure too badly and there's no chance of getting "mystery gyno" like with superdrol or anadrol.

Liver Support:

Herbal remedies and liver supports do fuck all, don't bother with them. A high doseage of milk thistle can have some small positive effects on the liver but is not enough to be worth the money and not enough to save your liver from toxic oral steroids. For most people who have average liver genetics no liver support will be needed for a 6-8 week run of tbol or anavar at modest doses.

Nac:
Nac works a bit differently to tudca and both should be taken for the most complete liver protection. Overall, tudca is a more potent liver protector. Nac increases glutathione, a powerful antioxidant that binds to toxins and protects liver cells. The oral bioavility of NAC is below 10%, so take at least 1g per day when on orals.

Tudca:
Tudca is essentially liver bile that balances the liver enzymes and flushes your liver of toxins. Take this 3 hours after your last oral dose. Take at least 250mg per day, and go up to 1.5 g daily if running a harsh superdol/tren combo or high dosages of anadrol.

HCG:
This tells your testicles to start producing testosterone, even if you are on steroids. Use it in the last 3-5 weeks of a cycle at 1000-2000ius weekly to enlarge your testicles and get them used to producing testosterone. Alternatively, you can run it at 1000ius per week the entire cycle to keep your balls from shrinking in the first place but that, of course, costs more and is unnecessary for most people. Split the dose at least 2x per week. Example: 500iu monday, 500iu thursday.

Now there is alot of misinformation going around when it comes to this stuff. It artificially gets your balls to start making testosterone, it does not restart your whole complex natural system of different glands and hormones communicating with each other to make your balls produce testosterone (it is known as the HTPA or hypothalamic–pituitary–gonadal axis). That is why it should not be used during PCT. People who use this as their PCT feel great while they are using it but as soon as they come off will have low T because they never restarted HTPA.

A potential danger of this stuff is that is you blast too high of dosages for too long you can desensitize the Leydig cells in your testicles making it hard/impossible for you to ever get back your natural testosterone production. That is not something you need to worry about if you follow the protocol I laid out above.

Needles & syringes:
Too thick of a needle can hurt and cause you to lose gear when injecting, do not use a needle below 25ga for injecting. Needles should be 1" long for glute injection and 0.5" for quads. If you're fat or jacked then add an extra half inch to each. For this cycle a 1 cc syringe is enough.

Injecting:
I found my quads to be the quickest and most painless way to inject. Sterilize the top of the vial and side of your quad then draw 1 ml (1ml = 1cc) of testosterone. Inject sitting down in the middle outer part of your quad and DO NOT flex your quads when injecting. After injecting smoothly remove the needle and discard it, don't try to reuse needles.


PCT:

On testosterone enanthate, you want to wait 2 weeks after your last injection to let the drug clear before you start your PCT. For a 12-15 week cycle, the standard is a 6 week PCT taking 20mg of nolvadex daily. Personally nolvadex completely breaks my dick so I use clomid at 25mg instead, but that's rare and most people get less side effects from nolvadex then they do from clomid.

JFL at risking your life to get girls

BETTER ALTERNATIVE: spend these 12-15 weeks at club cold approaching and you will get more girls than roiding (Literally)
Or get same achievable physique with consistent work and 6 months time period

JFL at shrinking your own testicles

 

[jefferson]

JFL at risking your life to get girls

BETTER ALTERNATIVE: spend these 12-15 weeks at club cold approaching and you will get more girls than roiding (Literally)
Or get same achievable physique with consistent work and 6 months time period
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JFL at shrinking your own testicles

It will take you a year naturally to make these gains for one

And for two you can do both. Cold approach and roid. Low dose test cycles are less dangerous than getting drunk on the weekends or eating a junk food frequently or even overconsuming caffeine.

 

[Chintuck22]

It will take you a year naturally to make these gains for one

And for two you can do both. Cold approach and roid. Low dose test cycles are less dangerous than getting drunk on the weekends or eating a junk food frequently or even overconsuming caffeine.

Okay, now if side effects aren't as bad as portraited - How much testosterone to inject is safe, so my balls won't shrink. Picture a guy of 1000/1000 nanoliters of T, and he hoops to use roids, so is there a way i can know if i am using in right amounts ?

 

[spark]

250 test and nothing else? Seems like a pretty weak cycle. That won't do shit.


edit: ah it's 500 nvm I can't read

 

[KEy21]

500mg shit is nonsense..

You can take literally anything you want and you will grow

Doesn’t even need to be injectables either

Even just pop pro hormones and you’ll grow like a weed

 

[jefferson]

500mg shit is nonsense..

You can take literally anything you want and you will grow

Doesn’t even need to be injectables either

Even just pop pro hormones and you’ll grow like a weed

Sure, I'm only on 300mg myself. But if you're going to actually shut your balls down with the intention of doing a pct I would always do at least 500mg to make it worthwhile.

Okay, now if side effects aren't as bad as portraited - How much testosterone to inject is safe, so my balls won't shrink. Picture a guy of 1000/1000 nanoliters of T, and he hoops to use roids, so is there a way i can know if i am using in right amounts ?

Your balls will always shrink on test unless you use hcg

 

[KEy21]

Sure, I'm only on 300mg myself. But if you're going to actually shut your balls down with the intention of doing a pct I would always do at least 500mg to make it worthwhile.

Your balls will always shrink on test unless you use hcg

So I’m guessing you plan on staying on?

Try to get pharmacy grade if you’re gonna run 300mg..

Bc if you’re doing ugl 300 it’s probly closet to 150-200 in your system..

Which isn’t even that high for trt

Like you’d be better off shooting 250 of pharmacies grade cyp

Just my thoughts

 

[jefferson]

So I’m guessing you plan on staying on?

Try to get pharmacy grade if you’re gonna run 300mg..

Bc if you’re doing ugl 300 it’s probly closet to 150-200 in your system..

Which isn’t even that high for trt

Like you’d be better off shooting 250 of pharmacies grade cyp

Just my thoughts

I got the raw powder from China, test levels were ~1200 ng/dl on only 180mg per week.

So 300 is significantly above Natty test. Ugls don't tend to underdose test, overdosing is more common. Not that it's possible for mine to be overdosed as I made it myself.

Also started a bulking cycle yesterday so I'm adding 250mg npp per week and 10mg injectable lgd ED on top of that 300mg.

 

[Gosick]

I got the raw powder from China, test levels were ~1200 ng/dl on only 180mg per week.

So 300 is significantly above Natty test. Ugls don't tend to underdose test, overdosing is more common. Not that it's possible for mine to be overdosed as I made it myself.

Also started a bulking cycle yesterday so I'm adding 250mg npp per week and 10mg injectable lgd ED on top of that 300mg.

how's your hair?

 

[jefferson]

how's your hair?

I did tren then crashed my estrogen for 2 months and lost literally half my hair. It's almost back to normal now though.

 

[Chintuck22]

Last question, how to maintain physique, or to not lose gains while offcycle. If you lose all your gains, it's useless right

 

[jefferson]

Last question, how to maintain physique, or to not lose gains while offcycle. If you lose all your gains, it's useless right

Keep training heavy but less volume and eat at maintenance or slight surplus during pct.

 

[elfmaxx]

I've been following your guide for a few months now and I've been getting an irresistible urge to bottom out twinks, help?

 

[leloucheREBORN]

thx for the thread bro.
would roids at young age definitely stuntlinear growth?

 

[jefferson]

thx for the thread bro.
would roids at young age definitely stuntlinear growth?

Idk. Arnold was doing dbol in his teens and turned out great. Probably a bad idea though

 

[leloucheREBORN]

Idk. Arnold was doing dbol in his teens and turned out great. Probably a bad idea though

yes arnold is one example. I also heard several guys claiming they grew a few cms during their cycle.
However I would take Aromasin anyways, because most people state that its the high estrogen that fuse plates.

 

[I'mme]

If you get on gear, make it a lifelong commitment. No reason to come off unless you want to procreate.

I hopped on 8 years ago at the age of 28. As a giga gangly ectomorph, my only regret is not starting at the age of 18. But I didn't have the balls or the access or the discipline to steroidmaxx and gymmaxx in my youth.

Hey.. did you get some bone width and density?

Would RU + Fin + topical min+Fin be sufficient to preserve hair while on say 250mg T? I already use these.

 

[Wannabe6ft2]

Hey.. did you get some bone width and density?

Would RU + Fin + topical min+Fin be sufficient to preserve hair while on say 250mg T? I already use these.

easily lol

im on 500mg test and only 1mg of finasteride. my hairline hasnt budged

 

[I'mme]

easily lol

im on 500mg test and only 1mg of finasteride. my hairline hasnt budged

That's great. Happy for you.

I started losing hair at 14 but I have gained about 70% of hair back and now look like full hair. I have NW0.

But I feel my bones density is lower than my friends make me look skinny, would this improve if I start injecting 250/500mg T?

Shall I consult my doctor or get it from online websites?

 

[x30001]

If someone had a gun to my head to choose a steroid that isn't Test, I'd say Primo

 

[Wannabe6ft2]

That's great. Happy for you.

I started losing hair at 14 but I have gained about 70% of hair back and now look like full hair. I have NW0.

But I feel my bones density is lower than my friends make me look skinny, would this improve if I start injecting 250/500mg T?

Shall I consult my doctor or get it from online websites?

Did your hairline recede or just a loss of density? If the latter it might not have been mpb.

Muscle will definitely make you wider. Maybe not the bone itself wider but filling out your frame can take you from below average frame to above average frame.

in terms of sources im not sure. Your doctor wont be able to prescribe you test unless you are low T and even then they wont prescribe enough to be supraphysiological.

 

[I'mme]

Did your hairline recede or just a loss of density? If the latter it might not have been mpb.

Muscle will definitely make you wider. Maybe not the bone itself wider but filling out your frame can take you from below average frame to above average frame.

in terms of sources im not sure. Your doctor wont be able to prescribe you test unless you are low T and even then they wont prescribe enough to be supraphysiological.

Thanks once again.

Yeah it's loss of density and crown balding. that's what I kept on thinking that it's not mpb but I have benefited hugely from Finasteride and some 50-100mg spironolactone. I have stopped the later and haven't lost a single hair (you know what I mean) that is, I have maintained my gain with finasteride.

Yeah I will looking into buying it from legitimate websites.

 

[DoctorLooksmax]

@jefferson on my first cycle I ran 500mg test and 0.5mg adex eod and i bloated like crazy. Do you think its worth me trying something like 250mg test + 60mg Anavar ED or should I do the same cycle again but take my AI dose everyday? With regards to my cycle I gained like 7-8kg but kept 3kg afters, pretty sure all the weight i lost was just bloat though, I was acc scared to up the calories because i thought i was getting fat I didnt realise it was all just water retention

 

[Bewusst]

The majority of users here are probably underage

 

[jefferson]

@jefferson on my first cycle I ran 500mg test and 0.5mg adex eod and i bloated like crazy. Do you think its worth me trying something like 250mg test + 60mg Anavar ED or should I do the same cycle again but take my AI dose everyday? With regards to my cycle I gained like 7-8kg but kept 3kg afters, pretty sure all the weight i lost was just bloat though, I was acc scared to up the calories because i thought i was getting fat I didnt realise it was all just water retention

Could do. Depends how much you hate bloat I guess.

 

[DoctorLooksmax]

Could do. Depends how much you hate bloat I guess.

I mean it was severe enough that normies commented on it. Its a shame really as its the only negative side effect i got

 

[Soalian]

What I did for bloat on 500mg Test/week:

- Lower Test to 250mg/week
- Add RAD-140 10mg/day

I'm much less bloated this time around with similar but drier gains.

 

[DoctorLooksmax]

What I did for bloat on 500mg Test/week:

- Lower Test to 250mg/week
- Add RAD-140 10mg/day

I'm much less bloated this time around with similar but drier gains.

nice, I dont know much about RAD-140, Ill probably do this but with 60mg Anavar instead of the RAD-140, espeically considering ive already got the Anavar

 

[OOGABOOGA]

What is the consensus on 8 week cycles? How long would I have to pct? I want to use test for the developmental benefits(20 yo) as well as physique gains so I want to spend as much time on as possible without fucking my self over to the point of infertility. I figure suppression is more about duration than dosage so could I run 300-500 mg 8 weeks on and 4 weeks off year round?

 

[Deleted member 3142]

Do I need to do pct if i’m using Dianabol, Anavar, Tbol etc... @jefferson

 

[jefferson]

Yep

 

[Elias]

Any links for this stuff @jefferson

 

[Chintuck22]

Any links for this stuff @jefferson

Based necrobumper

 

[jefferson]

Any links for this stuff @jefferson

For buying it?

 

[Deusmaximus]

Would you guys say going on blast and cruise trt is worth the risks?
Anybody here that has test experience? Was the whole stress worth it?
Lets say i do a test cycle, and fuck a couple of hot bitches, but after ending the cycle i have mental and hormonal problems.
Was it still worth it?
Its hard to make a decision.

 

[Elias]

For buying it?

Yes