Frame vs Muscles

[Merlix]

Imo, 170 5'8 and 15

But more weight = bigger and 20bf isn't that pudgy, no? But I guess the effect on face would cancel out the size advantage.

 

[Renaissance.Chad]

Just lol at training for strength as a framecel, you'll never grow much size. All those barbell movements are ideal for thick wristed robust men who are genetically gifted for strength.
If you're an ectomorph, you need to train like a bodybuilder, not like a powerlifter
I'm making the biggest gains of my life by training high volume, high reps, mostly Dumbbell work

 

[Renaissance.Chad]

Biggest bet to appear taller and bigger framed is getting a slim waist, wide lats and big shoulders