Help for 40 year old male , could I be high tier normie?

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I am a 40 year old male looking to date (Christian) women again and I not sure what I can do, but I don't think I am looks maxed. Right now I feel that I am a 5, but I think I could go as high as 7 max. Here are few pics. Could I be high tier normie (high end average attractive?)

Note: here are my obvious flaws:
1.overweight: working on that
2.no mpb but diffuse thinning (taking something for it)
3.Only 5'10.5 (without shoes) but 6 ft in cowboy boots.


What would be max potential for me? I dress Countrypolitan and Prep most of the time.

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2. Casual Dress
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I've lost weight since this picture, but I am very obese here
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When I was a bit thinner in a suit:

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I'm all open for suggestions!
 
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If not LARP, keep losing weight and get muscle. Look into TRT (testosterone replacement therapy) as well.
 
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3/10 overweight
1st priority- leanmax, you dont know what you look like if you never been lean
 
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What about facial looks? 3/10 seems a bit.... um I don't know. I mean that's super ugly, isn't it? I have extremely clear skin and good features. I was hoping I'd at least be a 5. Anyways, I have started on a keto diet and I have lost 20 lbs and I am lifting more and doing cardio.
 
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research steroids and take them.
1.get lean
2. put on muscle
3.grow beard
What about facial looks? 3/10 seems a bit.... um I don't know. I mean that's super ugly, isn't it? I have extremely clear skin and good features. I was hoping I'd at least be a 5. Anyways, I have started on a keto diet and I have lost 20 lbs and I am lifting more and doing cardio.
you're doing great bro
 
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Like how it looks like you have a hair transplant but that is your natural hair, I suppose when you do go bald it can only looked better tbh

like a 3 at the moment but it's not saying much until you lose weight. Get to 12% bodyfat, try to not get lose skin and you will be at least a 4.

Btw Ratings are from a women perspective over 35, It's fucking over if you wanted a prime women btw unless she has mental problems.
 
In your age you will get either single moms or gold diggers
 
Oh great, someone more delusional than me.
 
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Like how it looks like you have a hair transplant but that is your natural hair, I suppose when you do go bald it can only looked better tbh

like a 3 at the moment but it's not saying much until you lose weight. Get to 12% bodyfat, try to not get lose skin and you will be at least a 4.

Btw Ratings are from a women perspective over 35, It's fucking over if you wanted a prime women btw unless she has mental problems.
I truly didn't realize I was that ugly. I thought I was dead average. I am not even that old. Oh well.
No I want a woman who can still have children.
 
This is probably a Larp, but I will respond as if serious because I would feel bad blowing you off. (and I can't move from my chair due to abdominal cramp)

Being that weight would be a big negative in an urban area, but it seems highly likely from the pictures you live in a rural area in the mid west US, so some extra weight not a huge deal, but it depends what you want to date, if you are willing to date a woman your same age that is also 50 lbs over weight, I think are good looking enough to do that as you are. The aesthetic preferences and values of women in your area differ a lot compared to the focus of this board. I don't think anyone this board is qualified to advise you unless you have a specific question.
 
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I truly didn't realize I was that ugly. I thought I was dead average. I am not even that old. Oh well.
No I want a woman who can still have children.
I missed your last picture, you look ok but really your weight is a massive failo, your 40? and really overweight your lifespan is like 80 years max jfl thats half your life and you have like 15 good mobile years left at your current wieght, you really are that old. I do see some people on social media happy with their equal PSL women and some with even slightly more attractive women but they are all sub 30 so idk.

Seriously get to a low bodyfat, workout and you will drastically improve yourself.
 
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Those shirts are based

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I missed your last picture, you look ok but really your weight is a massive failo, your 40? and really overweight your lifespan is like 80 years max jfl thats half your life and you have like 15 good mobile years left at your current wieght, you really are that old. I do see some people on social media happy with their equal PSL women and some with even slightly more attractive women but they are all sub 30 so idk.

Seriously get to a low bodyfat, workout and you will drastically improve yourself.

My dad is already 85. But you're saying even if I lost weight, I still couldn't pass for average? I realize I need to lose weight.
This is probably a Larp, but I will respond as if serious because I would feel bad blowing you off. (and I can't move from my chair due to abdominal cramp)

Being that weight would be a big negative in an urban area, but it seems highly likely from the pictures you live in a rural area in the mid west US, so some extra weight not a huge deal, but it depends what you want to date, if you are willing to date a woman your same age that is also 50 lbs over weight, I think are good looking enough to do that as you are. The aesthetic preferences and values of women in your area differ a lot compared to the focus of this board. I don't think anyone this board is qualified to advise you unless you have a specific question.

No, I'm from an urban area in Virginia. But I have also lived in the country. No,I want a woman who is curvy and between 27-33 because I want a wife and children.
 
What is your diet like? Height?
 
Yeah, was your dad ever your size? You have a dad so you clearly had a mother.

Anyway irrelevant you said yourself you want children and a wife who is curvy and not gross or old. I do believe if you got to the size i suggest you will be average and you could choose to improve from there if you like. Weightloss isn't easy or you wouldn't have gotten that fat in the first place. The transformation could take a year or more if you are even able to do it. My posts today have been really aggresive idk why but I wish you luck on your weightloss. Do it today, now.
 
Yeah, was your dad ever your size? You have a dad so you clearly had a mother.

Anyway irrelevant you said yourself you want children and a wife who is curvy and not gross or old. I do believe if you got to the size i suggest you will be average and you could choose to improve from there if you like. Weightloss isn't easy or you wouldn't have gotten that fat in the first place. The transformation could take a year or more if you are even able to do it. My posts today have been really aggresive idk why but I wish you luck on your weightloss. Do it today, now.

Yes, I agree. BTW, is this the scale most are using?

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What is your diet like? Height?

I'm 5'11 max (without shoes) . My diet is improving. I am using a modified keto diet, adding vegetables. I never ate a lot of fast food, but I had problem with sugar (such as sweet tea and stuff like that...) I have struggled with obesity most of my life and that really been a struggle. Better late than never...
 
What is your current weight? Sounds like you know a bit about dieting so I wont touch that, do you strength train?

Also pic didnt work.
 
Another case for Holmes and Watson :unsure:
lose weight
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I missed your last picture, you look ok but really your weight is a massive failo, your 40? and really overweight your lifespan is like 80 years max jfl thats half your life and you have like 15 good mobile years left at your current wieght, you really are that old. I do see some people on social media happy with their equal PSL women and some with even slightly more attractive women but they are all sub 30 so idk.

Seriously get to a low bodyfat, workout and you will drastically improve yourself.

I don't know but women usually like men who are older , don't they?
What is your current weight? Sounds like you know a bit about dieting so I wont touch that, do you strength train?

Also pic didnt work.

The picture is the male rating scale.

Also, yes I do strength training, bike riding, swimming, etc. I have lyme disease and I think that really makes it harder, but I will just have to work all the more at it. Also, don't you think I have a Germanic Build which is something unique? I have very broad shoulders tapered down to a small waist. That's why standard objectives aren't quite the same for me- at my height I would look pretty good at 210 lbs.
 

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Let me make this clear: I am looking for a wife, not a hooker. I just want a nice attractive woman who is of child bearing age. I believe that if I lost weight I could be high tier average- and I don't see why that is "delusional". I am looking for advice on clothing style, hair, and other areas. I don't think I am ugly. My parents were very attractive- especially my mom.
 
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I don't know but women usually like men who are older , don't they?


The picture is the male rating scale.

Also, yes I do strength training, bike riding, swimming, etc. I have lyme disease and I think that really makes it harder, but I will just have to work all the more at it. Also, don't you think I have a Germanic Build which is something unique? I have very broad shoulders tapered down to a small waist. That's why standard objectives aren't quite the same for me- at my height I would look pretty good at 210 lbs.
Yep I said 3 the fat failos hard, and the hair. If you reached 14% bodyfat or lower you would be at least a 4. Everyone on that scale is leanish, but didn't check all the pics. Also 210 at your height is fat man don't delude yourself, For perspective I am your height and 190 I am about 14% bodyfat have wide shoulders a medium frame and have used copious amounts of steroids. Seriously nobody is lean at 210 unless they are a giant.

Yes they like older like 3-5 years or maybe 10 but not 40+ unless they are very attractive or they have some kind of daddy issue.
Yep I said 3 the fat failos hard, and the hair. If you reached 14% bodyfat or lower you would be at least a 4. Everyone on that scale is leanish, but didn't check all the pics. Also 210 at your height is fat man don't delude yourself, For perspective I am your height and 190 I am about 14% bodyfat have wide shoulders a medium frame and have used copious amounts of steroids. Seriously nobody is lean at 210 unless they are a giant.

Yes they like older like 3-5 years or maybe 10 but not 40+ unless they are very attractive or they have some kind of daddy issue.
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You could have had a wife when you were fat, the internet isn't real life. How have your real world experiences been with women? becoming more attractive will make it easier, that is all.
 
Yep I said 3 the fat failos hard, and the hair. If you reached 14% bodyfat or lower you would be at least a 4. Everyone on that scale is leanish, but didn't check all the pics. Also 210 at your height is fat man don't delude yourself, For perspective I am your height and 190 I am about 14% bodyfat have wide shoulders a medium frame and have used copious amounts of steroids. Seriously nobody is lean at 210 unless they are a giant.

Yes they like older like 3-5 years or maybe 10 but not 40+ unless they are very attractive or they have some kind of daddy issue.

So even I lost all the weight, I would still be ugly? I could be 15% at 210 which is athletic. A 30 year old woman is only 10 years younger than me. Do the math.
 
Damn I screwed up the posts lol
 
Yep I said 3 the fat failos hard, and the hair. If you reached 14% bodyfat or lower you would be at least a 4. Everyone on that scale is leanish, but didn't check all the pics. Also 210 at your height is fat man don't delude yourself, For perspective I am your height and 190 I am about 14% bodyfat have wide shoulders a medium frame and have used copious amounts of steroids. Seriously nobody is lean at 210 unless they are a giant.

Yes they like older like 3-5 years or maybe 10 but not 40+ unless they are very attractive or they have some kind of daddy issue.
At 40 I am still not old enough to be a 25 year old woman's father. Who is a father at 15 years old? How old are you , btw? May I ask? You seem really young and your logic is off. But I do agree I need to lose weight. 4 max is that just because of age? I don't even look 40.
 
So even I lost all the weight, I would still be ugly? I could be 15% at 210 which is athletic. A 30 year old woman is only 10 years younger than me. Do the math.
You have the hormonal profile of a 40 year old man, do you understand that it's hard enough being 210 at 15 on steroids and most people don't even have the ability to reach that natrually after 10 years of training, you do the math.

Like I said 40 and attractive maybe. Jeez.
 
You have the hormonal profile of a 40 year old man, do you understand that it's hard enough being 210 at 15 on steroids and most people don't even have the ability to reach that natrually after 10 years of training, you do the math.

Like I said 40 and attractive maybe. Jeez.

I started weight lifting 10 years ago. Muscle memory. I could be at least a 6.
 
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At 40 I am still not old enough to be a 25 year old woman's father. Who is a father at 15 years old? How old are you , btw? May I ask? You seem really young and your logic is off. But I do agree I need to lose weight. 4 max is that just because of age? I don't even look 40.
im 26 and based on your responses I know more about what im talking about than you do so you should listen. 15? I finished growing at 15 and could produce semen at 11, wtf are you talking about there are 15 year old fathers out there actually a lot. Still convinced this is a troll tbh.
I started weight lifting 10 years ago. Muscle memory. I could be at least a 6.
Buddy you have never been anything close to 210 and 15 in your life, Maybe and a big MAYBE 210 and 25
 
im 26 and based on your responses I know more about what im talking about than you do so you should listen. 15? I finished growing at 15 and could produce semen at 11, wtf are you talking about there are 15 year old fathers out there actually a lot. Still convinced this is a troll tbh.

I've never heard of anyone being a father at 15. I mean, it can happen, but most people start family in their mid 20s. "Daddy issues" , I'm not into teenaged girls. I just want a woman who is still of child bearing age. You're already 26- you'll be my age before you know it.
 
You need to go 9% BF and get grey hair.
You are 3.5 now
 
At least I do have a Germanic build. I will work on losing weight.
 
I've never heard of anyone being a father at 15. I mean, it can happen, but most people start family in their mid 20s. "Daddy issues" , I'm not into teenaged girls. I just want a woman who is still of child bearing age. You're already 26- you'll be my age before you know it.
40, says not that old, is told is old, responds with I will be his age before he knows it. Hope you are not posting here at 54 mate.

Then get a women of child bearing age, I gave you my truthful opinion and some advice if you want to take it or not. And btw I have come across a lot of people that got pregnant or have had children at 15- 16.
 
40, says not that old, is told is old, responds with I will be his age before he knows it. Hope you are not posting here at 54 mate.

Then get a women of child bearing age, I gave you my truthful opinion and some advice if you want to take it or not. And btw I have come across a lot of people that got pregnant or have had children at 15- 16.

It isn't old, because 40 is the cusp of mid age. Old age is 70 years plus. And what I meant was that from your age, 40 is not that far off.
Where do you live? I have never heard of normal people having children as teenagers. I guess I come from a higher socio economic level. In my area, people start around mid to late 20s. So at my age, I am not far from that tier, but definitely older than most. I would agree with you on some things.. but other than weight loss you didn't explain how I could improve my look in terms of fashion , what hairstyle would be most flattering for face shape, what I can do to max out. Just said the highest I could go is a 4.. which is below average. I can't be just be average? That's what I thought I was now. Obesity and ugly are not the same. The 3's on the list have malformities in their faces with terrible skin. I have better than most people your age, let alone 40.

im 26 and based on your responses I know more about what im talking about than you do so you should listen. 15? I finished growing at 15 and could produce semen at 11, wtf are you talking about there are 15 year old fathers out there actually a lot. Still convinced this is a troll tbh.

Buddy you have never been anything close to 210 and 15 in your life, Maybe and a big MAYBE 210 and 25

This is me at 235 lbs , so you're saying to be lean I would need to drop another 60 lbs? I think 210 would be okay
 

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I truly didn't realize I was that ugly. I thought I was dead average. I am not even that old. Oh well.
No I want a woman who can still have children.
You are dead average bro, but that is ugly
 
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It isn't old, because 40 is the cusp of mid age. Old age is 70 years plus. And what I meant was that from your age, 40 is not that far off.
Where do you live? I have never heard of normal people having children as teenagers. I guess I come from a higher socio economic level. In my area, people start around mid to late 20s. So at my age, I am not far from that tier, but definitely older than most. I would agree with you on some things.. but other than weight loss you didn't explain how I could improve my look in terms of fashion , what hairstyle would be most flattering for face shape, what I can do to max out. Just said the highest I could go is a 4.. which is below average. I can't be just be average? That's what I thought I was now. Obesity and ugly are not the same. The 3's on the list have malformities in their faces with terrible skin. I have better than most people your age, let alone 40.



This is me at 235 lbs , so you're saying to be lean I would need to drop another 60 lbs? I think 210 would be okay

Alright, here we go.

1.) Drop the ego, im an anonymous poster, I have nothing to gain here and I am not trolling you

2.) I actually grew up in an upper class area finished a science degree with studies in history, there are also people far wealthier than you or have come from good families that had a child at 15 for whatever reasons and no obviously it wasn't a decision and stupid kids being stupid.

3.) You realise I am closer in age to a fucking 11 year old than I am to you?That is beside the point, I agree with you 54 will be coming around soon for you and im guessing you want a wife and children while you can still be mobile enough to be active with them.

4.) In that photo you posted there is 0 seperation in the muscles, you would have to lose 20lbs just to get to 25% I have never been that fat in my life, that was your peak? Even in that photo if you somehow managed to cut to 14% without losing any muscle which I doubt you could do on steroids let alone naturally You are looking at getting down to 185lbs. The fucking truth is you are not even close to your peak, and 40 years old. seriously bro you need a reality check.
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But you do realize fathering a child at 15 is an exception, right? Most people are married in their mid to late 20s and beyond and start their families then.

In the photo I posted I am 235 lbs and I don't look fat, I look high end of average (around 20%) and I do have muscle, plus I also have small waist and potential for stomach vacumn. You can't do that with high fat. I would look pretty good at around 200 lbs. Not super lean, but decent and that's my goal (for now) Isn't that reasonable? And being sooo old at 40, I realize I probably am ready to die any minute, but I just figured I'd give it one last try. Peak is not an exact science and varies from person to person. I don't care about that, and don't have time.
 
imagine being 40 and in the looksmax forum

are you even rich??

this looks like a meme lol:

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What is the big deal about being 40?
 
What is the big deal about being 40?
40. You want to find a woman who's younger than 40 and here you are reasoning or coping with your age. Why don't you settle down with a 40 year old woman then or a woman who's older than 40? Why do you want to find a woman who's younger than you especially when you consider age as not a 'big deal'.
 
Ageism
40. You want to find a woman who's younger than 40 and here you are reasoning or coping with your age. Why don't you settle down with a 40 year old woman then or a woman who's older than 40? Why do you want to find a woman who's younger than you especially when you consider age as not a 'big deal'.

Men 40 is not woman's 40. I know you call it "cope" but women's eggs have shelf life. I want children. It is better for a younger woman to have children, especially her first child. A 40 year old woman could have a child but it's not as good if it's her first child.
 
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Men 40 is not woman's 40. I know you call it "cope" but women's eggs have shelf life. I want children. It is better for a younger woman to have children, especially her first child. A 40 year old woman could have a child but it's not as good if it's her first child.
And you act like as if your sperm quality won't be absolutely shit compared to when you're 20? The same thing applies to women. If you expect age to not be such a big deal, then actually go along with it and date a woman who is around your age (38-42) rather than some woman who's 30.
 
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Your skin mogs mine hard tho, if you get lean u kinda look like u would ger a square face, if that happens u can slay some milfs
 
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And you act like as if your sperm quality won't be absolutely shit compared to when you're 20? The same thing applies to women. If you expect age to not be such a big deal, then actually go along with it and date a woman who is around your age (38-42) rather than some woman who's 30.

No offense but are you a woman? It is a known fact that women's eggs have a limited quality and after 40 her chances of getting pregnant go way down. Yes, men's sperm can degenerate some, but not as time sensitive. The issue for men is erectile dysfunction, moreso than sperm quality. Yes, a 90 year old man could father a child. A 90 year old woman could not get pregnant, unless she was Sarah from the Bible.

Why couldn't I date a woman who's 30? That's only 10 years difference. Unless someone starts telling me that 10 year old boys can father children.
And you act like as if your sperm quality won't be absolutely shit compared to when you're 20? The same thing applies to women. If you expect age to not be such a big deal, then actually go along with it and date a woman who is around your age (38-42) rather than some woman who's 30.

Women run out of eggs . It's not being "sexist", it's just a fact of life.
 
No offense but are you a woman? It is a known fact that women's eggs have a limited quality and after 40 her chances of getting pregnant go way down. Yes, men's sperm can degenerate some, but not as time sensitive. The issue for men is erectile dysfunction, moreso than sperm quality. Yes, a 90 year old man could father a child. A 90 year old woman could not get pregnant, unless she was Sarah from the Bible.

Why couldn't I date a woman who's 30? That's only 10 years difference. Unless someone starts telling me that 10 year old boys can father children.
No I am not a woman. I'm not saying you can't date a woman who's 30. I'm pointing out your hypocrisy on how you state that age isn't a 'big deal', when you ironically want a woman who's younger and healthier than you. The fact that you're talking about women having shit eggs after a certain age, goes to show that age is in fact a big deal.
 
But you do realize fathering a child at 15 is an exception, right? Most people are married in their mid to late 20s and beyond and start their families then.

In the photo I posted I am 235 lbs and I don't look fat, I look high end of average (around 20%) and I do have muscle, plus I also have small waist and potential for stomach vacumn. You can't do that with high fat. I would look pretty good at around 200 lbs. Not super lean, but decent and that's my goal (for now) Isn't that reasonable? And being sooo old at 40, I realize I probably am ready to die any minute, but I just figured I'd give it one last try. Peak is not an exact science and varies from person to person. I don't care about that, and don't have time.
You have a huge frame and look better than I would expect a 235 lbs 5'10.5" man to look, but you do look fat in that pic, I would say 20 lbs overweight there, you are clearly sucking your gut in big time. You were a lot younger then, unless you are working out frequently and start HRT you will never again achieve that body. I would say a good weight for you now would be 200.
 
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I am a 40 year old male looking to date (Christian) women again and I not sure what I can do, but I don't think I am looks maxed. Right now I feel that I am a 5, but I think I could go as high as 7 max. Here are few pics. Could I be high tier normie (high end average attractive?)

Note: here are my obvious flaws:
1.overweight: working on that
2.no mpb but diffuse thinning (taking something for it)
3.Only 5'10.5 (without shoes) but 6 ft in cowboy boots.


What would be max potential for me? I dress Countrypolitan and Prep most of the time.

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I've lost weight since this picture, but I am very obese here
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I'm all open for suggestions!
the only suggestion we can give you is don't eat anything but chicken breast until you get to 10% bodyFat
 
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But you do realize fathering a child at 15 is an exception, right? Most people are married in their mid to late 20s and beyond and start their families then.

In the photo I posted I am 235 lbs and I don't look fat, I look high end of average (around 20%) and I do have muscle, plus I also have small waist and potential for stomach vacumn. You can't do that with high fat. I would look pretty good at around 200 lbs. Not super lean, but decent and that's my goal (for now) Isn't that reasonable? And being sooo old at 40, I realize I probably am ready to die any minute, but I just figured I'd give it one last try. Peak is not an exact science and varies from person to person. I don't care about that, and don't have time.
I know it's the exception, I can't even remember my original post but the point was to say males can be fathers at 15. Well biologically at least. Yes my point the whole time has been time that is why I keep mentioning your age and why I said the weight loss will take a while and you should start now and be disciplined, By your answers I know you have never been close to 14% You are the same height as me, and I am 181cms exactly, I know exactly what it takes to get to a certain gols and have done it numerous times. Do you actually believe in that photo if you cut to sub 10% bodyfat you would look anything like an amataure natural bodybuilder? who devote everything to the goal and might have even used substances before? at 15% bodyfat you should be able to see ab definition if you are carrying a bit of muscle let alone as much as you claim.

At 40 you will never peak physically, you might get in the best shape you have ever been in but the ceiling for what is possible is limited. Like holy shit, have you read what I wrote? what parts do you disagree with? I bet if I told you that the first few days of dieting at 235 you would probably lose 5lbs from food and glyocogen alone. Then you would probably end up losing a ratio of muscle for every lb of fat you burn therby taking your target goal leaner. Seriously If you did everything perfectly and you won't and don't know how to you would weight 170 lbs at 14% at best.
Edit* In the peak photo you are Overweight FAT very FAT, go post on T nation ffs what a perma bulker.
 
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