[Discussion] How to actually fix recessed chin without surgery

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Apart from surgery or injections. What can be done to naturally grow the mandible/chin forwards. Roids? HGH? Diet? Test?
Mewing seems to not work for chins as Astro is still a chincel despite being the Mew God.
So what options do we actually have?
 
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Chewing promotes jaw growth. But it has to be exhausting and high resistance for a short period (30 mins to an hour), and not mediocre intensity for many hours.

I think people's issue with assuming bone changes can't happen in adults is lack of consistency and intensity. No one actually puts in the effort needed over the long, long period of time it takes for bone to grow in adults.

Astro never focused on chewing, no one ever does.
 
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Chewing promotes jaw growth. But it has to be exhausting and high resistance for a short period (30 mins to an hour), and not mediocre intensity for many hours.

I think people's issue with assuming bone changes can't happen in adults is lack of consistency and intensity. No one actually puts in the effort needed over the long, long period of time it takes for bone to grow in adults.

Astro never focused on chewing, no one ever does.
You’ve said that a few times but what sources do you have?
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No surgery. Can you not read? Do you not speak the King’s English?
 
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Here is a source that studies how mastication (chewing) affects the face.
A quote about the correlation between the chewing muscles and facial shape:

"There is quite a lot of literature exploring the relationship between muscle thickness or maximal bite force and craniofacial morphology( 74 ). It has been reported that subjects with thin masseters have a proportionally longer face, which could be due to the lack of both bone and muscle volume( 75 ) and lower bizygomatic and intergonial width( 56 ), while subjects with a higher bite force have a short lower anterior face height( 59 , 62 ), a small mid-face inclination, a large mandible and occlusal plane inclination( 17 , 57 ), and a smaller jaw, leaving less space for the eruption of teeth( 76 )."

I don't know all the terminology, and they did mention that patients with high bite force have "smaller jaw", but a large mandible is quite literally a "big jawbone". Lower bizygomatic and intergonial width means quite literally that the midface is more narrow (bizygomatic width) and the jaw more narrow (intergonial width)
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Your question was if it can make the jaw come forward, but at least this is proof that chewing does impact bone growth, at the very least.

Though the study also claims we reach our full development at 18... We need more research on bone growth and development in adults. It is clear that the palate can be expanded nonsurgically in adts, that means bone growth still occurs in the face to some extent, which is why I theorize that graining the chewing muscles can impact the mandible of an adult.
 
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Here is a source that studies how mastication (chewing) affects the face.
A quote about the correlation between the chewing muscles and facial shape:

"There is quite a lot of literature exploring the relationship between muscle thickness or maximal bite force and craniofacial morphology( 74 ). It has been reported that subjects with thin masseters have a proportionally longer face, which could be due to the lack of both bone and muscle volume( 75 ) and lower bizygomatic and intergonial width( 56 ), while subjects with a higher bite force have a short lower anterior face height( 59 , 62 ), a small mid-face inclination, a large mandible and occlusal plane inclination( 17 , 57 ), and a smaller jaw, leaving less space for the eruption of teeth( 76 )."

I don't know all the terminology, and they did mention that patients with high bite force have "smaller jaw", but a large mandible is quite literally a "big jawbone". Lower bizygomatic and intergonial width means quite literally that the midface is more narrow (bizygomatic width) and the jaw more narrow (intergonial width)
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Your question was if it can make the jaw come forward, but at least this is proof that chewing does impact bone growth, at the very least.

Though the study also claims we reach our full development at 18... We need more research on bone growth and development in adults. It is clear that the palate can be expanded nonsurgically in adts, that means bone growth still occurs in the face to some extent, which is why I theorize that graining the chewing muscles can impact the mandible of an adult.
i love u bro all ur posts are high iq
 
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Here is a source that studies how mastication (chewing) affects the face.
A quote about the correlation between the chewing muscles and facial shape:

"There is quite a lot of literature exploring the relationship between muscle thickness or maximal bite force and craniofacial morphology( 74 ). It has been reported that subjects with thin masseters have a proportionally longer face, which could be due to the lack of both bone and muscle volume( 75 ) and lower bizygomatic and intergonial width( 56 ), while subjects with a higher bite force have a short lower anterior face height( 59 , 62 ), a small mid-face inclination, a large mandible and occlusal plane inclination( 17 , 57 ), and a smaller jaw, leaving less space for the eruption of teeth( 76 )."

I don't know all the terminology, and they did mention that patients with high bite force have "smaller jaw", but a large mandible is quite literally a "big jawbone". Lower bizygomatic and intergonial width means quite literally that the midface is more narrow (bizygomatic width) and the jaw more narrow (intergonial width)
View attachment 49213

Your question was if it can make the jaw come forward, but at least this is proof that chewing does impact bone growth, at the very least.

Though the study also claims we reach our full development at 18... We need more research on bone growth and development in adults. It is clear that the palate can be expanded nonsurgically in adts, that means bone growth still occurs in the face to some extent, which is why I theorize that graining the chewing muscles can impact the mandible of an adult.
I’ve heard the mandible is the last bone to finish growing in the face tbh
 
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Here is a source that studies how mastication (chewing) affects the face.
A quote about the correlation between the chewing muscles and facial shape:

"There is quite a lot of literature exploring the relationship between muscle thickness or maximal bite force and craniofacial morphology( 74 ). It has been reported that subjects with thin masseters have a proportionally longer face, which could be due to the lack of both bone and muscle volume( 75 ) and lower bizygomatic and intergonial width( 56 ), while subjects with a higher bite force have a short lower anterior face height( 59 , 62 ), a small mid-face inclination, a large mandible and occlusal plane inclination( 17 , 57 ), and a smaller jaw, leaving less space for the eruption of teeth( 76 )."

I don't know all the terminology, and they did mention that patients with high bite force have "smaller jaw", but a large mandible is quite literally a "big jawbone". Lower bizygomatic and intergonial width means quite literally that the midface is more narrow (bizygomatic width) and the jaw more narrow (intergonial width)
View attachment 49213

Your question was if it can make the jaw come forward, but at least this is proof that chewing does impact bone growth, at the very least.

Though the study also claims we reach our full development at 18... We need more research on bone growth and development in adults. It is clear that the palate can be expanded nonsurgically in adts, that means bone growth still occurs in the face to some extent, which is why I theorize that graining the chewing muscles can impact the mandible of an adult.

which came first, the chicken or the egg?
 
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Get a herbst appliance to push the jaw forward.
 
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you can fix overbites with braces
 
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Apart from surgery or injections. What can be done to naturally grow the mandible/chin forwards. Roids? HGH? Diet? Test?
Mewing seems to not work for chins as Astro is still a chincel despite being the Mew God.
So what options do we actually have?
  • jaw pull headgear
  • hard mewing
  • bonemashing your chin with a pointy object like a screwdriver
  • chin training: put your finger beewteen the lower lip and the lower teeth, so you counter the action of the chin muscle, which lifts up the skin below the lower lip
 
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"There is quite a lot of literature exploring the relationship between muscle thickness or maximal bite force and craniofacial morphology( 74 ). It has been reported that subjects with thin masseters have a proportionally longer face, which could be due to the lack of both bone and muscle volume( 75 ) and lower bizygomatic and intergonial width( 56 ), while subjects with a higher bite force have a short lower anterior face height( 59 , 62 ), a small mid-face inclination, a large mandible and occlusal plane inclination( 17 , 57 ), and a smaller jaw, leaving less space for the eruption of teeth( 76 )."
This paper is useless. It’s only saying that (1) longer face means thinner masseters and (2) wider jaw is helpful for chewing. No shit Sherlock. Longer arms help for deadlifting, so go deadlift and grow longer arms right?

Do you have any better sources? Not dismissing your claims just yet but need better proof.
 
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This paper is useless. It’s only saying that (1) longer face means thinner masseters and (2) wider jaw is helpful for chewing. No shit Sherlock. Longer arms help for deadlifting, so go deadlift and grow longer arms right?

Do you have any better sources? Not dismissing your claims just yet but need better proof.
Ik it's a meme but this post is literally a kid confusing an association with causation.
 

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