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My theory I came up with after I quit topical finasteride, and experiencing the DHT surge:
1. Take finasteride/dutasteride for a few months/years and starve 5-AR DHT receptors until they become very sensitive like a boy before puberty.
2. Get off finasteride, wait 1-2 weeks for normal androgen production to restart then introduce creatine/proviron/dht gel/dht-increasing drugs (hair loss is likely)
3. Profit.
Apparently I'm not the only one who had this theory
:
"You go through a "prep" phase, which should take six months, but no more than 2 years (yes, you read correctly, but don't give up yet, hang on). During this preparation phase, you starve the body, more precisely the penis, from DHT.
After puberty, the body has reached a sufficient level of DHT, so he "turns the switch off", and therefor it won't help much to only take DHT supplements.
Now, the whole point is to starve your penis from DHT by taking Finasteride, which reduces DHT by 70 %, over a prolonged period of time to make the receptors sensible to DHT again.
After this prep phase, all you have to do is stop taking Finasteride, and let the body produce DHT again, which leads to that so-called "second puberty". This build-up process takes some weeks, two months, something like that.
Now, the most important things:
because your body's DHT is severely lowered during preparation, your libido will decrease, but the doctor says taking herbal supplements to avoid this during that phase is possible.
Then, again due to reduced DHT, your penis will shrink a bit. Again, don't lose me here, the doctor says after prep phase, the growth will do much more than just make up for it (in fact, he did this whole procedure himself).
Don't do anything to enlarge your penis during preparation.
Don't take anything that supports DHT production. The doctor lists numerous supplements and habits, but Vitamin E and Zinc supplements are important to avoid.
Creatine is a good supplement for the prep phase, but should be taken in shorter cycles. One prep phase should contain munerous creatine cycles, and it's important to time it in a way that you begin a creatine supplemention phase when you start your rebound phase (when you lay off Finasteride and let your body normalise the DHT level).
During prep phase, 1 mg of Finasteride should be taken once a day, *every* day, for at least six months. 1 mg of Finasteride causes the DHT level to drop by approximately 65 % within 24 hours, and if taken permanently, by approximately 70 %. Naturally, numbers vary from 26 to 170 %, so taking more than 1 mg a day doesn't hurt. Increased dose (beyond 5 mg) doesn't mean less DHT."
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"1. Starve the penis of DHT and clean the receptors or block them. (6 month protocol ?)
a. Inhibit both types of 5-AR enzymes locally
- using topical cream or oil
- Clearogen lotion ($25) seems to be very good at this (Fatty Acids)
- Shampoo like Nizoral
b. Block receptor sites
- not sure if we want to do this? Clearogen also does this (saw palmetto).
The question is, is this enough blocking. Finesteride apparently only blocks type 2 of 5-AR. I was thinking to use
DMSO and break up a pill into powder and apply it topically. I do believe clearogen should do the trick more
effectively.
All of this is not permanent and should clear the system with time except for Finesteride which elicit permanent DHT
conversion damage.
Now we are starting over in the puberty phase. At least, this is my weak understanding of our adulesent growth phase.
2a. Next we simultaneously increase the androgen receptor sensitivity and bring back DHT.
a. AR Sensitivity (absorbed through the digestive tract)
- Zinc Aspertate
- Caprylic Acid
- Phytoandrogen - Ginger extract (5% gingerol)
- Horny Goat Weed (20% Icarrin) - Aromatase Inhibitor to free up more testosterone
- Peperine for absorption
- etc...most of this stuff comes in powder form (ie smartpowders.com)
- A lot of the body building supplements target AR sensitivity and prevent DHT conversions so that
the body can maintain higher free testo. I believe there is one that might do the trick. Just requires a bit more
research such as Iforce Max Out
2b. Increase DHT and GH levels
a. Restore DHT
- Naturally increase DHT or
- Androcrime ($75 topical DHT) Not sure how to get it, since its in Europe.
b. Increase GH
- Secretagogues (Ghenerate by LG)
- Suppress samatostatin (still research this)"
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"DHT is responsible for penis growth in the pre-puberty and puberty, this is because the androgen receptors in the penis are still sensitive, receptors that over time become naturally saturated and down-regulated by the endogenous DHT converted from T.
In males with micropenes who have a deficiency of the enzyme 5 alpha-reductase type 2 where in theory the receptors on the penis have never become saturated during puberty, were treated with topical DHT that surprisingly produced penis growth in all males.
Transdermal dihydrotestosterone therapy and its effects on patients with microphallus. - PubMed - NCBI
Topical dihydrotestosterone to treat micropenis secondary to partial androgen insensitivity syndrome (PAIS) before, during, and after puberty - a c... - PubMed - NCBI
So, why in healthy adults most users who have used DHT like Andractim or similar have not experienced large gains in size?
Because their androgen receptors in the penis have already been saturated and down-regulated over time and therefore their penis haven't grown.
Following the logic, If you could induce a temporary state where you lower the amount of DHT in your body (with help of Dutasteride or Finasteride) for a period of time sufficient to re-sensitize your androgen receptors in the penis and then up-regulate them, at this point applying topical DHT on the penis, it should attack the androgen receptors that have been up-regulated and made sensitive again, and give a signal to start the growth of the penile tissues, just as it does in the puberty.
There is also a certain Ronielle Buduhan, who has a chemical PE blog , where in a post he says that this method worked mainly for the girth."
Experiences:
chemicalpenis.blogspot.com
Dht is highly androgenic, which means that it attaches to the androgenic receptor sites longer and stronger. The penis contains a concentration of androgenic receptors, and if these receptors are saturated with dht hormone continuously, new cells (each containing more androgen receptors) are grown to help accommodate the local load of dht. (This is only speculation, as I am not an expert in this field.) However, if dht is taken over long periods of time, the body will shut down testosterone production in the testicles, since it believes that high dht levels mean that too much testosterone is being broken down by the alpha-reductase enzyme to dht.
Theories on the internet I tested was using dht gel and an alpha-reductase inhibitor called finasteride, which is a medication taken orally, but with a molecular weight that suggests a possibility for transdermal permeability with a dimethylsulfoxide carrier. The two are alternately taken, about a one for one then switching a month for the other. Finasteride protects the testosterone from being chopped up into dht, thus lowering overall dht. With low dht in the penis, the androgen receptors become more sensitive. This sensitivity translates to more efficient dht gel use, as each receptor activated sends a stronger and/or longer signal to the cell to produce growth. (Again, this is only theory on the exact mechanism of penile cell growth).
When I tried this, I did experience growth, but mainly girth. A few cycles in a row I stopped because the new thickness was becoming problematic for receiving blow jobs, and teeth became my bitter enemy. Penetrating anally was also an eye-opening experience for those on the far end of my dick, and the fear factor was rising.
But now, I have gotten used to the penile pain, and teeth were just a part of it. I want more size, goddammit! (-_-) So now I am repeating the experiment but with a different drug called dutosteride. It blocks the 2 types of alpha-reductase enzyme, while finasteride blocks only one type, therefore, it should be more efficient in reducing dht. It is a gelcap taken orally.
One of the symptoms of low dht is reduced libido, which is something of a bummer. But remember, the mind is quite strong and mental fantasy can bring back the mood; its just a little more challenging. At least the erection injections help too! The dht phase is the opposite, where horniness is at its maximum. The problem then is physical over-use and chaffing. Use more lube for this problem to reduce friction."
"Went on dut for 3 months, went off and here are what I observed.
Tingling sensation returned
Head felt like a strong histamine of pressure when you run hot water over and you gotta pee, only time I remember this feeling was during puberty.
Penis was still not hard but much fatter than before, this reduced a bit after 2 weeks.
Now 1 month after I do notice a slight thickness increase length about the same. Would I do it again? I need serious thought as the drug gives me a extremely flat emotional state. "
React if this worked and your dick/face grew
1. Take finasteride/dutasteride for a few months/years and starve 5-AR DHT receptors until they become very sensitive like a boy before puberty.
2. Get off finasteride, wait 1-2 weeks for normal androgen production to restart then introduce creatine/proviron/dht gel/dht-increasing drugs (hair loss is likely)
3. Profit.
Apparently I'm not the only one who had this theory
"You go through a "prep" phase, which should take six months, but no more than 2 years (yes, you read correctly, but don't give up yet, hang on). During this preparation phase, you starve the body, more precisely the penis, from DHT.
After puberty, the body has reached a sufficient level of DHT, so he "turns the switch off", and therefor it won't help much to only take DHT supplements.
Now, the whole point is to starve your penis from DHT by taking Finasteride, which reduces DHT by 70 %, over a prolonged period of time to make the receptors sensible to DHT again.
After this prep phase, all you have to do is stop taking Finasteride, and let the body produce DHT again, which leads to that so-called "second puberty". This build-up process takes some weeks, two months, something like that.
Now, the most important things:
because your body's DHT is severely lowered during preparation, your libido will decrease, but the doctor says taking herbal supplements to avoid this during that phase is possible.
Then, again due to reduced DHT, your penis will shrink a bit. Again, don't lose me here, the doctor says after prep phase, the growth will do much more than just make up for it (in fact, he did this whole procedure himself).
Don't do anything to enlarge your penis during preparation.
Don't take anything that supports DHT production. The doctor lists numerous supplements and habits, but Vitamin E and Zinc supplements are important to avoid.
Creatine is a good supplement for the prep phase, but should be taken in shorter cycles. One prep phase should contain munerous creatine cycles, and it's important to time it in a way that you begin a creatine supplemention phase when you start your rebound phase (when you lay off Finasteride and let your body normalise the DHT level).
During prep phase, 1 mg of Finasteride should be taken once a day, *every* day, for at least six months. 1 mg of Finasteride causes the DHT level to drop by approximately 65 % within 24 hours, and if taken permanently, by approximately 70 %. Naturally, numbers vary from 26 to 170 %, so taking more than 1 mg a day doesn't hurt. Increased dose (beyond 5 mg) doesn't mean less DHT."
----------
"1. Starve the penis of DHT and clean the receptors or block them. (6 month protocol ?)
a. Inhibit both types of 5-AR enzymes locally
- using topical cream or oil
- Clearogen lotion ($25) seems to be very good at this (Fatty Acids)
- Shampoo like Nizoral
b. Block receptor sites
- not sure if we want to do this? Clearogen also does this (saw palmetto).
The question is, is this enough blocking. Finesteride apparently only blocks type 2 of 5-AR. I was thinking to use
DMSO and break up a pill into powder and apply it topically. I do believe clearogen should do the trick more
effectively.
All of this is not permanent and should clear the system with time except for Finesteride which elicit permanent DHT
conversion damage.
Now we are starting over in the puberty phase. At least, this is my weak understanding of our adulesent growth phase.
2a. Next we simultaneously increase the androgen receptor sensitivity and bring back DHT.
a. AR Sensitivity (absorbed through the digestive tract)
- Zinc Aspertate
- Caprylic Acid
- Phytoandrogen - Ginger extract (5% gingerol)
- Horny Goat Weed (20% Icarrin) - Aromatase Inhibitor to free up more testosterone
- Peperine for absorption
- etc...most of this stuff comes in powder form (ie smartpowders.com)
- A lot of the body building supplements target AR sensitivity and prevent DHT conversions so that
the body can maintain higher free testo. I believe there is one that might do the trick. Just requires a bit more
research such as Iforce Max Out
2b. Increase DHT and GH levels
a. Restore DHT
- Naturally increase DHT or
- Androcrime ($75 topical DHT) Not sure how to get it, since its in Europe.
b. Increase GH
- Secretagogues (Ghenerate by LG)
- Suppress samatostatin (still research this)"
----------
"DHT is responsible for penis growth in the pre-puberty and puberty, this is because the androgen receptors in the penis are still sensitive, receptors that over time become naturally saturated and down-regulated by the endogenous DHT converted from T.
In males with micropenes who have a deficiency of the enzyme 5 alpha-reductase type 2 where in theory the receptors on the penis have never become saturated during puberty, were treated with topical DHT that surprisingly produced penis growth in all males.
Transdermal dihydrotestosterone therapy and its effects on patients with microphallus. - PubMed - NCBI
Topical dihydrotestosterone to treat micropenis secondary to partial androgen insensitivity syndrome (PAIS) before, during, and after puberty - a c... - PubMed - NCBI
So, why in healthy adults most users who have used DHT like Andractim or similar have not experienced large gains in size?
Because their androgen receptors in the penis have already been saturated and down-regulated over time and therefore their penis haven't grown.
Following the logic, If you could induce a temporary state where you lower the amount of DHT in your body (with help of Dutasteride or Finasteride) for a period of time sufficient to re-sensitize your androgen receptors in the penis and then up-regulate them, at this point applying topical DHT on the penis, it should attack the androgen receptors that have been up-regulated and made sensitive again, and give a signal to start the growth of the penile tissues, just as it does in the puberty.
There is also a certain Ronielle Buduhan, who has a chemical PE blog , where in a post he says that this method worked mainly for the girth."
Experiences:
Localized Hormone Manipulation for Penis Growth
Experimenting on using male hormone DHT transdermally on the penis to signal growth, let me explain how I understand the whole thing. First ...
chemicalpenis.blogspot.com
Theories on the internet I tested was using dht gel and an alpha-reductase inhibitor called finasteride, which is a medication taken orally, but with a molecular weight that suggests a possibility for transdermal permeability with a dimethylsulfoxide carrier. The two are alternately taken, about a one for one then switching a month for the other. Finasteride protects the testosterone from being chopped up into dht, thus lowering overall dht. With low dht in the penis, the androgen receptors become more sensitive. This sensitivity translates to more efficient dht gel use, as each receptor activated sends a stronger and/or longer signal to the cell to produce growth. (Again, this is only theory on the exact mechanism of penile cell growth).
When I tried this, I did experience growth, but mainly girth. A few cycles in a row I stopped because the new thickness was becoming problematic for receiving blow jobs, and teeth became my bitter enemy. Penetrating anally was also an eye-opening experience for those on the far end of my dick, and the fear factor was rising.
But now, I have gotten used to the penile pain, and teeth were just a part of it. I want more size, goddammit! (-_-) So now I am repeating the experiment but with a different drug called dutosteride. It blocks the 2 types of alpha-reductase enzyme, while finasteride blocks only one type, therefore, it should be more efficient in reducing dht. It is a gelcap taken orally.
One of the symptoms of low dht is reduced libido, which is something of a bummer. But remember, the mind is quite strong and mental fantasy can bring back the mood; its just a little more challenging. At least the erection injections help too! The dht phase is the opposite, where horniness is at its maximum. The problem then is physical over-use and chaffing. Use more lube for this problem to reduce friction."
"Went on dut for 3 months, went off and here are what I observed.
Tingling sensation returned
Head felt like a strong histamine of pressure when you run hot water over and you gotta pee, only time I remember this feeling was during puberty.
Penis was still not hard but much fatter than before, this reduced a bit after 2 weeks.
Now 1 month after I do notice a slight thickness increase length about the same. Would I do it again? I need serious thought as the drug gives me a extremely flat emotional state. "
React if this worked and your dick/face grew
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