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On my last thread on this topic i showed how training the pretarsal (lower part) of the orbicularis oculi can raise the lower lid
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When the muscle is paralyzed it drops 2 mm at rest, meaning that muscle tone has a very important part in eyelid placement at rest
While hunter eyes can be attributed to many things the bread and butter of it is having vertically narrow eyes, while things like downswung medial canthus, wide pfl, hooding, forward growth orbital bones etc, but at the end of the day it really comes down to the narrowness of your eye and all the other features are extras
You can shorten the vertical distance in your eye area in 2 ways, either raise your lower lid, or lower your upper lid, my last thread talked about how to raise the lower lid, this thread will address how to lower your upper lid to achieve a more narrow eye area
First off there are two muscles that control the placement of your upper eyelid
The upper part of the orbicularis oculi is responsible for closing the eye
The levator palpebrae superioris is responsible for raising the eyelid
The combination of the activation of these muscles at any time determine the position of your upper lid, while you are asleep your levator muscle is not being used while your orbicularis oculi is, and when you are awake your levator muscle is active and your orbicularis is not active (it is activated when you blink)
To lower the upper eyelid we need to atrophy the levator muscle and hypertrophy the upper part of the orbicularis oculi, this will result in a change in balance of the muscles in resting state as they are antagonists of each other
Ptosis is an example of extreme atrophy of the levator muscle caused by improper development at birth, while the orbicularis oculi is still functioning
Notice the extreme almond eye shape (which is also due to a straight lower lid) you get from ptosis, the only difference between this eye shape and the MMs we idolize is supraorbital fat pads covering the eyelid
This is de poots eye, possibly the highest standard of hunter eyes compared to a ptosis eye with good undereye support
They are essentially the same exact shape, the only differences being elias has completely hooded eyes covering the eyelid while the person with ptosis has no fat on their upper lid
Since the person with ptosis has a very weak levator muscle and normal obicularis muscles we can conclude that by atrophying our levator muscles and strengthening our upper part of the orbicularis (they are antagonists to each other) we can lower the position of the upper lid
You can do this by emulating ptosis your self and relaxing your upper lid, just go in the mirror and try to relax it and feel around, keep this position whenever you are alone and the muscle will eventually atrophy to where you do not need to consciously relax it and it will still be weakened
To strengthen the upper part of the orbicularis oculi pull up on your eyelid and try as hard as you can to blink
Doing this will lower your upper lid giving you more narrow eyes
Our environment is responsible for why so many people have cuck eyes, people nowadays get very little sleep compared to what they should, meaning they have their eyes open much more than they should, whenever you have your eyes open your levator muscle is being worked and hypertrophied which raises the upper lid, the more time you’re asleep the more time you your orbicularis muscle is being activated which lowers the lid
Disclaimer- you are not trying to emulate ptosis, do not go overboard with atrophying/hypertrophing the muscles, ptosis is not aesthetic as it atrophies the levator too much, you are trying to find a middle ground by slightly lowering the upper lid, not having it go all the way down the the pupil, this will look like shit
not giving a tldr, if you are actually here to looksmax you will read the whole post, going to take a break from looksmax after I respond to this post as I’ve been juiced of pretty much all of my knowledge at this point and I waste too much time here tbh
HOLY FUCKING SHIT HUNTER EYES NONSURICALLY GTFIH
So I was pretty sure for a while now that facial muscles had a large impact on eye shape from people with facial palsy and the association with sclera show, but I essentially found solid proof that muscles have a massive impact on eye verticality A Botox injection was done to atrophy the...
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Botulinum A toxin (BOTOX) in the lower eyelid: dose-finding study - PubMed
A dose-response curve is seen with increasing doses of BTX-A used in the lower eyelid. Treatment of the lateral orbital area in combination with the lower lid produces a synergistic response at lower doses, but at higher doses, a plateau effect is suggested. Although increasing doses of BTX-A...
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While hunter eyes can be attributed to many things the bread and butter of it is having vertically narrow eyes, while things like downswung medial canthus, wide pfl, hooding, forward growth orbital bones etc, but at the end of the day it really comes down to the narrowness of your eye and all the other features are extras
You can shorten the vertical distance in your eye area in 2 ways, either raise your lower lid, or lower your upper lid, my last thread talked about how to raise the lower lid, this thread will address how to lower your upper lid to achieve a more narrow eye area
First off there are two muscles that control the placement of your upper eyelid
The upper part of the orbicularis oculi is responsible for closing the eye
The levator palpebrae superioris is responsible for raising the eyelid
The combination of the activation of these muscles at any time determine the position of your upper lid, while you are asleep your levator muscle is not being used while your orbicularis oculi is, and when you are awake your levator muscle is active and your orbicularis is not active (it is activated when you blink)
To lower the upper eyelid we need to atrophy the levator muscle and hypertrophy the upper part of the orbicularis oculi, this will result in a change in balance of the muscles in resting state as they are antagonists of each other
Ptosis is an example of extreme atrophy of the levator muscle caused by improper development at birth, while the orbicularis oculi is still functioning
Notice the extreme almond eye shape (which is also due to a straight lower lid) you get from ptosis, the only difference between this eye shape and the MMs we idolize is supraorbital fat pads covering the eyelid
This is de poots eye, possibly the highest standard of hunter eyes compared to a ptosis eye with good undereye support
They are essentially the same exact shape, the only differences being elias has completely hooded eyes covering the eyelid while the person with ptosis has no fat on their upper lid
Since the person with ptosis has a very weak levator muscle and normal obicularis muscles we can conclude that by atrophying our levator muscles and strengthening our upper part of the orbicularis (they are antagonists to each other) we can lower the position of the upper lid
You can do this by emulating ptosis your self and relaxing your upper lid, just go in the mirror and try to relax it and feel around, keep this position whenever you are alone and the muscle will eventually atrophy to where you do not need to consciously relax it and it will still be weakened
To strengthen the upper part of the orbicularis oculi pull up on your eyelid and try as hard as you can to blink
Doing this will lower your upper lid giving you more narrow eyes
Our environment is responsible for why so many people have cuck eyes, people nowadays get very little sleep compared to what they should, meaning they have their eyes open much more than they should, whenever you have your eyes open your levator muscle is being worked and hypertrophied which raises the upper lid, the more time you’re asleep the more time you your orbicularis muscle is being activated which lowers the lid
Disclaimer- you are not trying to emulate ptosis, do not go overboard with atrophying/hypertrophing the muscles, ptosis is not aesthetic as it atrophies the levator too much, you are trying to find a middle ground by slightly lowering the upper lid, not having it go all the way down the the pupil, this will look like shit
not giving a tldr, if you are actually here to looksmax you will read the whole post, going to take a break from looksmax after I respond to this post as I’ve been juiced of pretty much all of my knowledge at this point and I waste too much time here tbh
