[Theory] Is height genetic?

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Dutch guy here, this is true. Manlets simply didn't get to reproduce as much. Brutal blackpill
Thanks to globalism manlets can still find love in asian or latin america where most chicks are still 5'2 on average, some even 4'11 and shit. I just pray for their kids if they end up back in their own country.

I have noticed most younger caucassian girls in nice areas are 5'6 to 5'10 now. This is in the USA. I would venture to guess that this new generation is probably already .5 inches taller on average than mine (if we compared upper middle class caucasians only) and will only continue to grow taller.
 
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Thanks to globalism manlets can still find love in asian or latin america where most chicks are still 5'2 on average, some even 4'11 and shit. I just pray for their kids if they end up back in their own country.

I have noticed most younger caucassian girls in nice areas are 5'6 to 5'10 now. This is in the USA. I would venture to guess that this new generation is probably already .5 inches taller on average than mine (if we compared upper middle class caucasians only) and will only continue to grow taller.
there has to be an upper ceiling as to how much human beings can grow as a group. otherwise we would all be skyscrapers in the faraway future, but since excessively tall height is linked to cancer and other health problems, it's simply unfit to be that tall from natural selection's point of view.

there's already studies saying Dutch and Nordics have stopped growing taller and their average height has been stagnant for the past decade. Japanese men are 5'7 on average and has been stagnant for like 30 years, despite being part of the first world since the mid 20th century.

I doubt Americans are getting any taller too; I follow these trends closely and according to the most recent, reliable data white america's average height has not changed since 1999-2000; it's around 5'10 for white males, and a little over 5'4 for white females.

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there has to be an upper ceiling as to how much human beings can grow as a group. otherwise we would all be skyscrapers in the faraway future, but since excessively tall height is linked to cancer and other health problems, it's simply unfit to be that tall from natural selection's point of view.

there's already studies saying Dutch and Nordics have stopped growing taller and their average height has been stagnant for the past decade. Japanese men are 5'7 on average and has been stagnant for like 30 years, despite being part of the first world since the mid 20th century.

I doubt Americans are getting any taller too; I follow these trends closely and according to the most recent, reliable data white america's average height has not changed since 1999-2000; it's around 5'10 for white males, and a little over 5'4 for white females.

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Can't wait for crispr to turn us Nordics into tall gigachads once we have a national socialist empire
 
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I think height is one of the only things that is almost 100 percent genetic.
 
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There is a certain limit but thats due to biometric issues (human bones are not made to carry the size of an elephant). Also that limit is genetics too, however it ranges at around like 8‘
 
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I think height is one of the only things that is almost 100 percent genetic.
I don't think it's anywhere near 100% genetic. I think height is one of those things which comes down to TONS of factors; an undefinable number of factors. HMGA2 has been found to impact height, but only be an eighth of an inch! (0.3cm). Genes and environment are involved, but there's just so many other factors we don't know about and currently can't discover. It's more like 100% unexplainable/random/luck/unknown. We can't put a % on any certain factor because we don't know every factor responsible for height. It's definitely not 100% genetic since there's reasonable proof that environment has at least some influence, even if it may be a tiny influence. We don't know the magnitude of the impact of genes and environment and we don't know all the factors involved. We can't even be sure that more factors are involved, but then again, we can't be sure that there aren't more factors involved.
 
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Yea and starving Africans turns 6:2 at the age of 16

It’s like 80-90% genetic JFL
 
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I don't think it's anywhere near 100% genetic. I think height is one of those things which comes down to TONS of factors; an undefinable number of factors. HMGA2 has been found to impact height, but only be an eighth of an inch! (0.3cm). Genes and environment are involved, but there's just so many other factors we don't know about and currently can't discover. It's more like 100% unexplainable/random/luck/unknown. We can't put a % on any certain factor because we don't know every factor responsible for height. It's definitely not 100% genetic since there's reasonable proof that environment has at least some influence, even if it may be a tiny influence. We don't know the magnitude of the impact of genes and environment and we don't know all the factors involved. We can't even be sure that more factors are involved, but then again, we can't be sure that there aren't more factors involved.
Would drinking lots of milk growing up have a significant impact?
 
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I don't think it's anywhere near 100% genetic. I think height is one of those things which comes down to TONS of factors; an undefinable number of factors. HMGA2 has been found to impact height, but only be an eighth of an inch! (0.3cm). Genes and environment are involved, but there's just so many other factors we don't know about and currently can't discover. It's more like 100% unexplainable/random/luck/unknown. We can't put a % on any certain factor because we don't know every factor responsible for height. It's definitely not 100% genetic since there's reasonable proof that environment has at least some influence, even if it may be a tiny influence. We don't know the magnitude of the impact of genes and environment and we don't know all the factors involved. We can't even be sure that more factors are involved, but then again, we can't be sure that there aren't more factors involved.
I agree with this. Look at the average height of a Western European man going back 500 years, or even of an average European going back several thousand years. Before the advent of agriculture in Europe, the average height of a male was about 6ft (I can find a source on this but not bothered to right now, just look up cro-magnon) but this plummeted to about 5’5 as soon as people started adopting a more sedentary lifestyle and limiting their diets from a wide variety of meats and plants to mostly grains and a handful of other foods which didn’t contain the optimal level of nutrients. A similar thing happened again later due to various environmental factors impacting diet. Here’s a link I found after a quick google search: https://www.livestrong.com/article/542877-the-average-height-of-humans-over-time/

What this means is that height certainly isn’t entirely genetic and is rather reliant on environmental factors. The problem is that nowadays people will deny that this has any impact on final height (post this on r/short and you will be ridiculed) even though it does. Also, we can be almost certain that height in the modern world also isn’t entirely genetic and can still be affected by diet to a large extent.
 
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I don't think it's anywhere near 100% genetic. I think height is one of those things which comes down to TONS of factors; an undefinable number of factors. HMGA2 has been found to impact height, but only be an eighth of an inch! (0.3cm). Genes and environment are involved, but there's just so many other factors we don't know about and currently can't discover. It's more like 100% unexplainable/random/luck/unknown. We can't put a % on any certain factor because we don't know every factor responsible for height. It's definitely not 100% genetic since there's reasonable proof that environment has at least some influence, even if it may be a tiny influence. We don't know the magnitude of the impact of genes and environment and we don't know all the factors involved. We can't even be sure that more factors are involved, but then again, we can't be sure that there aren't more factors involved.
I was being dramatic saying 100 percent I believe it's literally around 95 percent genetic, the difference between perfect environment and not is 1 to 2 inches max imo
 
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Yes, it is possible tall people have short kids and vice versa but the vast majority of the time it is genetic. Also short parents might be short because they didn't have the right/proper nutrition growing up but can then produce tall children who grew up healthy.
 
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If it's 100% genetics and you can't change anything, why doctors subscribe HGH sometimes? I remember a classmate who got it.
 
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I was being dramatic saying 100 percent I believe it's literally around 95 percent genetic, the difference between perfect environment and not is 1 to 2 inches max imo
Why have heights varied so much throughout history then? Especially after people in the Middle East and Europe switched to agriculture from foraging the average height plummeted. Also when Italian immigrants first started arriving in the US in the late 19th century, the first generation born in the states was already about 2 inches taller on average. There’s no explanation for this besides environmental factors.
Yes, it is possible tall people have short kids and vice versa but the vast majority of the time it is genetic. Also short parents might be short because they didn't have the right/proper nutrition growing up but can then produce tall children who grew up healthy.
Well yes but this is just because sometimes short parents will have taller family members going back generations which can sometimes still impact their kid’s height
 
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Why have heights varied so much throughout history then? Especially after people in the Middle East and Europe switched to agriculture from foraging the average height plummeted. Also when Italian immigrants first started arriving in the US in the late 19th century, the first generation born in the states was already about 2 inches taller on average. There’s no explanation for this besides environmental factors.

Well yes but this is just because sometimes short parents will have taller family members going back generations which can sometimes still impact their kid’s height
Agricultural shift from foraging created civilization as we know it. If you were a manlet back in those days it was a much worse death sentence as being taller usually comes with bigger frame and you needed to be strong to survive thus manlets didn't reproduce as often. Once agriculture came you could be a midget and still have all your food needs accounted for easily still thus the only disadvantage to being a manlet is asthetic rather than functional.

For the Italians like I said 1-2 inches max is environmental, also of those first gens studied are all of them pure Italian ancestory? What if the average height for males in the US at the time was above average for Italians thus Italian women selected for height more so than before and passed those genes down.
 
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It's 99% Genetics.
i doubt its that much, i think u can influence up to 3-4 inches in height with environment, but i do agree its hard to stunt growth to a super significant amount (more than 1.5 inch imo)
 
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I agree with this. Look at the average height of a Western European man going back 500 years, or even of an average European going back several thousand years. Before the advent of agriculture in Europe, the average height of a male was about 6ft (I can find a source on this but not bothered to right now, just look up cro-magnon) but this plummeted to about 5’5 as soon as people started adopting a more sedentary lifestyle and limiting their diets from a wide variety of meats and plants to mostly grains and a handful of other foods which didn’t contain the optimal level of nutrients. A similar thing happened again later due to various environmental factors impacting diet. Here’s a link I found after a quick google search: https://www.livestrong.com/article/542877-the-average-height-of-humans-over-time/

What this means is that height certainly isn’t entirely genetic and is rather reliant on environmental factors. The problem is that nowadays people will deny that this has any impact on final height (post this on r/short and you will be ridiculed) even though it does. Also, we can be almost certain that height in the modern world also isn’t entirely genetic and can still be affected by diet to a large extent.
height is mostly genetic in the sense that a hard cap exists as to how much you can grow given adequate nutrition. yes you won't reach your genetically determined maximum height if you're raised in poor environment (South Koreans are way taller than North Koreans despite being the same race, for example.) but that doesn't mean if you give people infinite amount of resources they will all grow like trees. once you hit your genetically determined height, those additional calories will only make you fatter, not taller.
 
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Most 16 year olds on here won't grow shit even with peptides. Reminder that progfesional hgh treatments yield as little as 1 inch at 16 years old lol
And that means pure HGH, plus thyroid and an AI. Not your average shit.
i doubt its that much, i think u can influence up to 3-4 inches in height with environment, but i do agree its hard to stunt growth to a super significant amount (more than 1.5 inch imo)
Malnutrition causes stunted growth.
Eating a bad diet isn't malnutirion. There's already been studies on this lol. And even if your growth is stunted by malnutrition,catch up growth is evident and real. You can meet none of your macros and still go above your predicted height. Height growth is mainly due to natural peaks of GH throught your pubescent life. Artificially enhancing them won't do anything.
 
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Most 16 year olds on here won't grow shit even with peptides. Reminder that progfesional hgh treatments yield as little as 1 inch at 16 years old lol
And that means pure HGH, plus thyroid and an AI. Not your average shit.

Malnutrition causes stunted growth.
Eating a bad diet isn't malnutirion. There's already been studies on this lol. And even if your growth is stunted by malnutrition,catch up growth is evident and real. You can meet none of your macros and still go above your predicted height. Height growth is mainly due to natural peaks of GH throught your pubescent life. Artificially enhancing them won't do anything.
Theoretically the peptide stack people would use boosts HGH by as much or more than real pharma HGH. Also where did you read about 16 year olds being prescribed HGH? Want to see a source on this for further reading
 

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