[Theory] Is height genetic?

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Dutch guy here, this is true. Manlets simply didn't get to reproduce as much. Brutal blackpill
Thanks to globalism manlets can still find love in asian or latin america where most chicks are still 5'2 on average, some even 4'11 and shit. I just pray for their kids if they end up back in their own country.

I have noticed most younger caucassian girls in nice areas are 5'6 to 5'10 now. This is in the USA. I would venture to guess that this new generation is probably already .5 inches taller on average than mine (if we compared upper middle class caucasians only) and will only continue to grow taller.
 
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Thanks to globalism manlets can still find love in asian or latin america where most chicks are still 5'2 on average, some even 4'11 and shit. I just pray for their kids if they end up back in their own country.

I have noticed most younger caucassian girls in nice areas are 5'6 to 5'10 now. This is in the USA. I would venture to guess that this new generation is probably already .5 inches taller on average than mine (if we compared upper middle class caucasians only) and will only continue to grow taller.
there has to be an upper ceiling as to how much human beings can grow as a group. otherwise we would all be skyscrapers in the faraway future, but since excessively tall height is linked to cancer and other health problems, it's simply unfit to be that tall from natural selection's point of view.

there's already studies saying Dutch and Nordics have stopped growing taller and their average height has been stagnant for the past decade. Japanese men are 5'7 on average and has been stagnant for like 30 years, despite being part of the first world since the mid 20th century.

I doubt Americans are getting any taller too; I follow these trends closely and according to the most recent, reliable data white america's average height has not changed since 1999-2000; it's around 5'10 for white males, and a little over 5'4 for white females.

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there has to be an upper ceiling as to how much human beings can grow as a group. otherwise we would all be skyscrapers in the faraway future, but since excessively tall height is linked to cancer and other health problems, it's simply unfit to be that tall from natural selection's point of view.

there's already studies saying Dutch and Nordics have stopped growing taller and their average height has been stagnant for the past decade. Japanese men are 5'7 on average and has been stagnant for like 30 years, despite being part of the first world since the mid 20th century.

I doubt Americans are getting any taller too; I follow these trends closely and according to the most recent, reliable data white america's average height has not changed since 1999-2000; it's around 5'10 for white males, and a little over 5'4 for white females.

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I think height is one of the only things that is almost 100 percent genetic.
 
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There is a certain limit but thats due to biometric issues (human bones are not made to carry the size of an elephant). Also that limit is genetics too, however it ranges at around like 8‘
 
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I think height is one of the only things that is almost 100 percent genetic.
I don't think it's anywhere near 100% genetic. I think height is one of those things which comes down to TONS of factors; an undefinable number of factors. HMGA2 has been found to impact height, but only be an eighth of an inch! (0.3cm). Genes and environment are involved, but there's just so many other factors we don't know about and currently can't discover. It's more like 100% unexplainable/random/luck/unknown. We can't put a % on any certain factor because we don't know every factor responsible for height. It's definitely not 100% genetic since there's reasonable proof that environment has at least some influence, even if it may be a tiny influence. We don't know the magnitude of the impact of genes and environment and we don't know all the factors involved. We can't even be sure that more factors are involved, but then again, we can't be sure that there aren't more factors involved.
 
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Yea and starving Africans turns 6:2 at the age of 16

It’s like 80-90% genetic JFL
 
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I don't think it's anywhere near 100% genetic. I think height is one of those things which comes down to TONS of factors; an undefinable number of factors. HMGA2 has been found to impact height, but only be an eighth of an inch! (0.3cm). Genes and environment are involved, but there's just so many other factors we don't know about and currently can't discover. It's more like 100% unexplainable/random/luck/unknown. We can't put a % on any certain factor because we don't know every factor responsible for height. It's definitely not 100% genetic since there's reasonable proof that environment has at least some influence, even if it may be a tiny influence. We don't know the magnitude of the impact of genes and environment and we don't know all the factors involved. We can't even be sure that more factors are involved, but then again, we can't be sure that there aren't more factors involved.
Would drinking lots of milk growing up have a significant impact?
 
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I don't think it's anywhere near 100% genetic. I think height is one of those things which comes down to TONS of factors; an undefinable number of factors. HMGA2 has been found to impact height, but only be an eighth of an inch! (0.3cm). Genes and environment are involved, but there's just so many other factors we don't know about and currently can't discover. It's more like 100% unexplainable/random/luck/unknown. We can't put a % on any certain factor because we don't know every factor responsible for height. It's definitely not 100% genetic since there's reasonable proof that environment has at least some influence, even if it may be a tiny influence. We don't know the magnitude of the impact of genes and environment and we don't know all the factors involved. We can't even be sure that more factors are involved, but then again, we can't be sure that there aren't more factors involved.
I agree with this. Look at the average height of a Western European man going back 500 years, or even of an average European going back several thousand years. Before the advent of agriculture in Europe, the average height of a male was about 6ft (I can find a source on this but not bothered to right now, just look up cro-magnon) but this plummeted to about 5’5 as soon as people started adopting a more sedentary lifestyle and limiting their diets from a wide variety of meats and plants to mostly grains and a handful of other foods which didn’t contain the optimal level of nutrients. A similar thing happened again later due to various environmental factors impacting diet. Here’s a link I found after a quick google search: https://www.livestrong.com/article/542877-the-average-height-of-humans-over-time/

What this means is that height certainly isn’t entirely genetic and is rather reliant on environmental factors. The problem is that nowadays people will deny that this has any impact on final height (post this on r/short and you will be ridiculed) even though it does. Also, we can be almost certain that height in the modern world also isn’t entirely genetic and can still be affected by diet to a large extent.
 
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I don't think it's anywhere near 100% genetic. I think height is one of those things which comes down to TONS of factors; an undefinable number of factors. HMGA2 has been found to impact height, but only be an eighth of an inch! (0.3cm). Genes and environment are involved, but there's just so many other factors we don't know about and currently can't discover. It's more like 100% unexplainable/random/luck/unknown. We can't put a % on any certain factor because we don't know every factor responsible for height. It's definitely not 100% genetic since there's reasonable proof that environment has at least some influence, even if it may be a tiny influence. We don't know the magnitude of the impact of genes and environment and we don't know all the factors involved. We can't even be sure that more factors are involved, but then again, we can't be sure that there aren't more factors involved.
I was being dramatic saying 100 percent I believe it's literally around 95 percent genetic, the difference between perfect environment and not is 1 to 2 inches max imo
 
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Yes, it is possible tall people have short kids and vice versa but the vast majority of the time it is genetic. Also short parents might be short because they didn't have the right/proper nutrition growing up but can then produce tall children who grew up healthy.
 
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If it's 100% genetics and you can't change anything, why doctors subscribe HGH sometimes? I remember a classmate who got it.
 
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I was being dramatic saying 100 percent I believe it's literally around 95 percent genetic, the difference between perfect environment and not is 1 to 2 inches max imo
Why have heights varied so much throughout history then? Especially after people in the Middle East and Europe switched to agriculture from foraging the average height plummeted. Also when Italian immigrants first started arriving in the US in the late 19th century, the first generation born in the states was already about 2 inches taller on average. There’s no explanation for this besides environmental factors.
Yes, it is possible tall people have short kids and vice versa but the vast majority of the time it is genetic. Also short parents might be short because they didn't have the right/proper nutrition growing up but can then produce tall children who grew up healthy.
Well yes but this is just because sometimes short parents will have taller family members going back generations which can sometimes still impact their kid’s height
 
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Why have heights varied so much throughout history then? Especially after people in the Middle East and Europe switched to agriculture from foraging the average height plummeted. Also when Italian immigrants first started arriving in the US in the late 19th century, the first generation born in the states was already about 2 inches taller on average. There’s no explanation for this besides environmental factors.

Well yes but this is just because sometimes short parents will have taller family members going back generations which can sometimes still impact their kid’s height
Agricultural shift from foraging created civilization as we know it. If you were a manlet back in those days it was a much worse death sentence as being taller usually comes with bigger frame and you needed to be strong to survive thus manlets didn't reproduce as often. Once agriculture came you could be a midget and still have all your food needs accounted for easily still thus the only disadvantage to being a manlet is asthetic rather than functional.

For the Italians like I said 1-2 inches max is environmental, also of those first gens studied are all of them pure Italian ancestory? What if the average height for males in the US at the time was above average for Italians thus Italian women selected for height more so than before and passed those genes down.
 
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It's 99% Genetics.
i doubt its that much, i think u can influence up to 3-4 inches in height with environment, but i do agree its hard to stunt growth to a super significant amount (more than 1.5 inch imo)
 
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I agree with this. Look at the average height of a Western European man going back 500 years, or even of an average European going back several thousand years. Before the advent of agriculture in Europe, the average height of a male was about 6ft (I can find a source on this but not bothered to right now, just look up cro-magnon) but this plummeted to about 5’5 as soon as people started adopting a more sedentary lifestyle and limiting their diets from a wide variety of meats and plants to mostly grains and a handful of other foods which didn’t contain the optimal level of nutrients. A similar thing happened again later due to various environmental factors impacting diet. Here’s a link I found after a quick google search: https://www.livestrong.com/article/542877-the-average-height-of-humans-over-time/

What this means is that height certainly isn’t entirely genetic and is rather reliant on environmental factors. The problem is that nowadays people will deny that this has any impact on final height (post this on r/short and you will be ridiculed) even though it does. Also, we can be almost certain that height in the modern world also isn’t entirely genetic and can still be affected by diet to a large extent.
height is mostly genetic in the sense that a hard cap exists as to how much you can grow given adequate nutrition. yes you won't reach your genetically determined maximum height if you're raised in poor environment (South Koreans are way taller than North Koreans despite being the same race, for example.) but that doesn't mean if you give people infinite amount of resources they will all grow like trees. once you hit your genetically determined height, those additional calories will only make you fatter, not taller.
 
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Most 16 year olds on here won't grow shit even with peptides. Reminder that progfesional hgh treatments yield as little as 1 inch at 16 years old lol
And that means pure HGH, plus thyroid and an AI. Not your average shit.
i doubt its that much, i think u can influence up to 3-4 inches in height with environment, but i do agree its hard to stunt growth to a super significant amount (more than 1.5 inch imo)
Malnutrition causes stunted growth.
Eating a bad diet isn't malnutirion. There's already been studies on this lol. And even if your growth is stunted by malnutrition,catch up growth is evident and real. You can meet none of your macros and still go above your predicted height. Height growth is mainly due to natural peaks of GH throught your pubescent life. Artificially enhancing them won't do anything.
 
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Most 16 year olds on here won't grow shit even with peptides. Reminder that progfesional hgh treatments yield as little as 1 inch at 16 years old lol
And that means pure HGH, plus thyroid and an AI. Not your average shit.

Malnutrition causes stunted growth.
Eating a bad diet isn't malnutirion. There's already been studies on this lol. And even if your growth is stunted by malnutrition,catch up growth is evident and real. You can meet none of your macros and still go above your predicted height. Height growth is mainly due to natural peaks of GH throught your pubescent life. Artificially enhancing them won't do anything.
Theoretically the peptide stack people would use boosts HGH by as much or more than real pharma HGH. Also where did you read about 16 year olds being prescribed HGH? Want to see a source on this for further reading
 
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Will drinking alcohol from age 14 on stunt growth?
 
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Damn interesting that I’m seeing this thread now. I don’t know if you still hold the same argument but I also believe that there is actually no upper limit for height since drugs are created

Keep plates open(AI) + give HGH = keep getting taller

The only problem with this issue is overgrowth of cartilage in face after some point due to less percentage of open growth plate in legs and torso. This is the restrictive factor against heightmaxxing. If you get HGH you’ll grow even if you notice or not, the reason its not noticible is because you’re growing from articular cartilage which has very few blood supply and grow more in hands, nose, ears

There’s even the case of man who was both a midget and a giant who grew until he died (at 53 years old). When I tell this case to my “retard” medicine student friends they claim its not possible or he grew from his head and feet. Yeah the mother fucker grew 20 inches in height since 21 to 53 but only from head and feet retards

If scientists find a way to activate growth plates that’d make even oldcels (18+) able to grow proportionally
 
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Im 6'4 and my brother who is 16 is 5'8, so i think its genetic but you need to get lucky and get the right spectrum in the gene pool. Like my mom is 6feet and my grandfather ( mom side ) was 6'8, however on my dad's side every1 is basicly 5'7 max. Also my brother just plays games all day and i used to swim alot on my early teens. Swimming and basket from early age is for your height what tongue posture is to your face pretty much.
 
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Not entirely. Look at North Korea and South Korea. Average male height in 1940- 166cm.

After ww2 North Korean male height stagnated at around 165–7 cm during the six decades of communist rule, while South Korean ended up on 172cm. Nuff said.

* Professor Daniel Schwekendiek from Sungkyunkwan University in Seoul studied the heights of North Korean refugees measured when they crossed the border into South Korea and found an average 3-8cm (1.2 -3.1 inch) difference.

Schwekendiek points out that the height difference cannot be attributed to genetics, because the two populations are the same.*
 
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every physical feature is genetic
The foundation for every physical feature is genetic, their manifestation is environmental. Genes provide the groundwork. Environment provides the rest. As such, there is no such thing as genetic potential, only environmental potential.
 
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Alright, I feel the study(ies) done to show that height is 60-80% genetic is fucking bullshit. They used separated identical twins but their nutrition wasn't that different. So I'm gonna buy a pair of identical twins from the deep web and then I will raise one on my heightmaxing stack and a carnivorous diet (that IGF-1 boy) and then put them on Letrozole when they're 16 so they can grow until they're 25 and one of my haters (DrTony, x30001, anyone who likes them, etc.) will take the other twin and raise him on a healthy vegan soylent based diet which is peak nutrition according to your (((doctor))) (and shouldn't stunt growth at all) and tell them that everything is genetic. We'll see which one's kid mogs the shit out of the other at the end. The point of this dumbass thread is: 1. Height is not 100% genetic, even your mainstream medical sources disagree with you. 2. Any figures for genetic influence over height like 60%, 80%, 86%, were not studied with drug enhanced hormone secretion. It is less than 60%. Genetics are not fucking real, at least they don't work how you think they do. Scientists have found over 800 genes related to height and the influence each one of them has is incredibly minuscule. Stop promoting a theory as fact (a debunked theory by the way) with your undeserved credibility to hold back the scientific process. You should be banned for misinformation TBH.

Edit for people just reading my thread now: It took me being a bit of a dumbass (more than I usually am, I mostly try to keep things high quality so you all think I'm a genius or some shit) and arguing with people to get this point sorted out but this is my new argument: Height in nature IS genetics and nutrition, but when we go outside of it with drugs and disorders it is very clear that there is no genetic LIMIT on height. Genetic influence sure, but no limits. Want to grow taller? Follow my stack and have open growth plates. Your genes become less important the more you increase height through unnatural methods such as growth hormone peptides and AIs.
What's your heightmaxxing stack

Is 4 IU real HGH ed and 12.5 mg e2d aromasin good?
 

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