Is it better to get cosmetic surgery than MSE for asymmetry because you have more CONTROL over bone-positioning?

[Deleted member 6908]

Just a disclaimer before we start: My adjustable dumbbells arrived yesterday and the packaging is all over the place, along with my bench. So the room is a tip. Will only reply to people commenting on the topic and not my room. (House sharing with 3 other dudes)

Left side: (Closer to genetic potential and correct bone-positioning) Brow-ridge is stronger, maxilla is slightly better positioned and eye-lid isn't drooping due to a solid but not magnificent under-eye support.

Right side: (Far from genetic potential, as shown from left side. Maxilla is recessed. Under eye-support as a result of maxilla being shit is weak and thus my eye-lid droops ontop of my eye. This weak under eye support also fucks up my orbitals on this side and my cheek bone mass is less here too and weaker positioned. My gonial angle isn't the same and there is slight downward growth compared with the left side which has a lot more forward growth. Irl (Mirror) you can see it properly, so don't start running your thinking entirely off these photos only.

"It doesn't show up much irl man. This is is just photos. Everyone has a better side".

Wrong.

Here you can clearly see everything on the right side of my face is fucked. (Camera's right for you low IQ)

It's less full. The cheek-bone is weaker-set. The brow-ridge is weak. The droopy eye-lid has caused the eye-socket to position in a fucked up way. This is all to do with the maxilla being weak on this side. That then had a KNOCK-ON EFFECT onto the under-eye's support and everything ended up being DROOPY. The face is overall less full as as a result. Now I am not saying my other side is good looking, but it's atleast decent. If my right-side was the same my harmony and overall looks rating/value would be higher. You can even see that my right ear sticks out. Even my hair is better on my left-side. Please save me the mediocrity and don't generalise this issue as down to everybody having ayssemtry. Yes I realise my palate is narrower on the right side, but expanding it with MSE is not going to guarantee this positions better and reading a thread some other mid 20s Curry a few days ago, MSE descended him as it took away the quality of his eye-area, which he claimed was his only strength.

Here you see again, with me further away from the webcam.

Here's 3/4 profile of good side.

Heres 3/4 profile of bad side. You can even see there is a tiny bump in my nose on the right side lol. Look at the downward growth on this side too. Pure ugly. Again, not saying the left side is good-looking per say, but it is at least acceptable of NTness.

 

[Deleted member 6908]

And for those that need to see it in motion to be sure:

 

[Deleted member 9699]

I can kinda see it now that you mention it. Aren't there palate expanders that don't have the same side effects as MSE? I'm pretty sure MSE isn't necessary, you can expand your palate by other means, although some orthodontic expert would know better.

 

[Deleted member 6908]

I can kinda see it now that you mention it. Aren't there palate expanders that don't have the same side effects as MSE? I'm pretty sure MSE isn't necessary, you can expand your palate by other means, although some orthodontic expert would know better.

The last thing I wanna do though is self-install something metal in my mouth you see?

 

[Deleted member 9699]

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The last thing I wanna do though is self-install something metal in my mouth you see?

I think @retard might be able to help. @Sergio-OMS as well.

 

[Deleted member 1862]

you can't easily fix asymmetry as severe as yours. Attempting to make it less noticeable may have an adverse effect if done incorrectly.

lets list your most obvious asymmetries from bottom to top and see if we notice a trend:

1. Your midline is off and jaws are swung to the left

2. Your nose bridge, as a result, is also deviated to the left

3. Your eyes are misaligned, with the left eye being slightly higher

4. Your ears are misaligned, with the left ear being slightly higher

Get the picture? Asymmetry tends to form in a similar manner to postural deformities. The root cause is always the LOWEST possible deformity ie your jaws (perhaps through asymmetric chewing during developmental years.) As such, your entire SKULL is slightly deviated to the left. In fact, I'm 100% sure that if we took an x-ray your cranium would be substantially wider on your left side. Attempting to fix this to a great degree, other than being a huge ball ache, is just stupid.

My advice:

You shouldn't bother fixing your eyes & ears and you can't fix your nose bridge. Getting a rhinoplasty to straighten the nose would therefore be relatively stupid as even if your nose is completely straight along the midline, your nose bridge will not be.

If your palate is narrow, get MSE. That's it. It won't have a noticeable effect on asymmetry, if any at all.

Getting bi-max to improve the vertical alignment of your jaws may be beneficial as it could give your right side some more width, which would balance your face out. This may make your asymmetry a little less noticeable, especially in motion.

After bi-max, maybe get a chin wing/ shield and/or implants/fillers to make your chin more square. You currently have the eyes of an adult and the jaw of a child, and so this will drastically improve your smv.

Don't focus on the shit you can't change. What good does that do?

 

[PubertyMaxxer]

And for those that need to see it in motion to be sure:

Tales from the mental asylum

 

[Deleted member 6908]

you can't easily fix asymmetry as severe as yours. Attempting to make it less noticeable may have an adverse effect if done incorrectly.

lets list your most obvious asymmetries from bottom to top and see if we notice a trend:

1. Your midline is off and jaws are swung to the left

2. Your nose bridge, as a result, is also deviated to the left

3. Your eyes are misaligned, with the left eye being slightly higher

4. Your ears are misaligned, with the left ear being slightly higher

Get the picture? Asymmetry tends to form in a similar manner to postural deformities. The root cause is always the LOWEST possible deformity ie your jaws (perhaps through asymmetric chewing during developmental years.) As such, your entire SKULL is slightly deviated to the left. In fact, I'm 100% sure that if we took an x-ray your cranium would be substantially wider on your left side. Attempting to fix this to a great degree, other than being a huge ball ache, is just stupid.

My advice:

You shouldn't bother fixing your eyes & ears and you can't fix your nose bridge. Getting a rhinoplasty to straighten the nose would therefore be relatively stupid as even if your nose is completely straight along the midline, your nose bridge will not be.

If your palate is narrow, get MSE. That's it. It won't have a noticeable effect on asymmetry, if any at all.

Getting bi-max to improve the vertical alignment of your jaws may be beneficial as it could give your right side some more width, which would balance your face out. This may make your asymmetry a little less noticeable, especially in motion.

After bi-max, maybe get a chin wing/ shield and/or implants/fillers to make your chin more square. You currently have the eyes of an adult and the jaw of a child, and so this will drastically improve your smv.

Don't focus on the shit you can't change. What good does that do?

A magnificent post and thank you bro.

I agree with much of what you've said. The root cause is the lowest possible deformity. In this context it appears to be my upper jaw (Maxilla) and you're accurate. I was chewing 95% of the time on the left side of my face, which is why I have an adult left side and a child-like right. In-terms of lower-tier.

Those are the very obvious asymmetries.

Can I ask: If I were to get bimax, would that be primarily on the right side of my face or/and is that a decision the surgeon in question would make? I don't believe it's so much that my asymmetry is not noticeable in person, because while people don't notice it, what comes about from the overall disharmony of the face is that you are average looking

If I didn't have the asymmetry I would be at least decent looking. That's my point. (Not saying anything above 6.5/10. Currently I am 5/10 IMO)













Dr Sunil is apparently a specialist on asymmetrical faces and this is what he done for this young chap:

 

[Deleted member 7076]

u have to leanmax first, perfect skin first, perfect hair first, ect. before any of these thoughts mean anything. u don't even know what u look like under all that fat rn JFL

 

[Deleted member 1862]

Can I ask: If I were to get bimax, would that be primarily on the right side of my face or/and is that a decision the surgeon in question would make?

For your first question, I recommend you skim through the paper I've linked below as the diagrams will be able to explain far more succinctly than I can.

Correction of a severe facial asymmetry with computerized planning and with the use of a rapid prototyped surgical template: a case report/technique article - Head & Face Medicine

Management of significant facial asymmetry presents a challenge due to the geometric complexity of the bony and other facial structures. Manual model surgery is an essential part of treatment planning but it can be complicated, time-consuming and may contain potential errors. Computer-aided...

head-face-med.biomedcentral.com

For your second question, of course the surgeon would have to agree that your analysis is correct. Properly articulating your concerns and goals is enough, as long as A) you're dealing with a capable & attentive surgeon and B) you've correctly identified the problem. This is why you should consult with multiple. The one you linked seems good for your specific case.

 

[Deleted member 6908]

u have to leanmax first, perfect skin first, perfect hair first, ect. before any of these thoughts mean anything. u don't even know what u look like under all that fat rn JFL

Oh fuck off with this teenage bullshit low IQ advice to looksmaxing response. Go concentrate on your softmaxing endeavours bro and don't enter my thread. I was lean and better looking when I was young, yes, but fact is I can no longer rely upon collagen to cover up asymmetry in my late 20s. So fuck off with that boring as useless fuck lose weight meme cliche pointless living in a world of mediocrity and fucking blackness, response.

The asymmetry is there even when I was lean, but I can no-longer run cute-boy game. I have an adult face now.

 

[Deleted member 6908]

For your first question, I recommend you skim through the paper I've linked below as the diagrams will be able to explain far more succinctly than I can.

Correction of a severe facial asymmetry with computerized planning and with the use of a rapid prototyped surgical template: a case report/technique article - Head & Face Medicine

Management of significant facial asymmetry presents a challenge due to the geometric complexity of the bony and other facial structures. Manual model surgery is an essential part of treatment planning but it can be complicated, time-consuming and may contain potential errors. Computer-aided...

head-face-med.biomedcentral.com

For your second question, of course the surgeon would have to agree that your analysis is correct. Properly articulating your concerns and goals is enough, as long as A) you're dealing with a capable & attentive surgeon and B) you've correctly identified the problem. This is why you should consult with multiple. The one you linked seems good for your specific case.

Thank you so much for your help and yes, he is Indian as well, so will have experience with our tragic phenotype.

 

[Deleted member 7076]

Oh fuck off with this teenage bullshit low IQ advice to looksmaxing response. Go concentrate on your softmaxing endeavours bro and don't enter my thread. I was lean and better looking when I was young, yes, but fact is I can no longer rely upon collagen to cover up asymmetry in my late 20s. So fuck off with that boring as useless fuck lose weight meme cliche pointless living in a world of mediocrity and fucking blackness, response.

The asymmetry is there even when I was lean, but I can no-longer run cute-boy game. I have an adult face now.

doesn't even use tret and thinks leanmaxxing won't help him.

Reminder - if you've never been lean, you don't know wtf you look like and you can't claim to be deformed or recessed or any other BS (my pics inside)

A few things before we begin: 1) I'm not asking for ratings here, not the point of the thread. 2) I don't care if you mog me or I mog you. Again, not the point, broseph. 3) The point is to show, with pictures, that if you're a fatcel, skinnyfatcel, or simply have never been to low bodyfat...

looksmax.org

guess u can't help some people
gl bro, im sure older guys look better with some nice fat on their face

 

[Deleted member 6908]

doesn't even use tret and thinks leanmaxxing won't help him.

Reminder - if you've never been lean, you don't know wtf you look like and you can't claim to be deformed or recessed or any other BS (my pics inside)

A few things before we begin: 1) I'm not asking for ratings here, not the point of the thread. 2) I don't care if you mog me or I mog you. Again, not the point, broseph. 3) The point is to show, with pictures, that if you're a fatcel, skinnyfatcel, or simply have never been to low bodyfat...

looksmax.org

guess u can't help some people
gl bro, im sure older guys look better with some nice fat on their face

The guy went fat lump of ugly to skinny twig of ugly.

I am simply on my way from slightly chubby lump of normie to fit and muscular type of normie.

I have already lost a shit ton of weight and it hasn't made me good looking and no matter how much fat I will lose, it WILL NEVER.

Reasons:

1) Phenotype
2) Asymmetry
3) IPD

I can fix number 2 with surgery and that is indeed what I am focusing on.

You're 16 and have time to waste trying out all this faggotry skin-care bollocks. I already have an insane skin-care routine. Look at my skin in those pictures. It won't change the Curry undertone though. You can bet that. All I'm looking is to go from 5.5/10 to 6.5/10. I will never touch 7/10 because of IPD. I know that, so this is me maxing out.

 

[Deleted member 7076]

The guy went fat lump of ugly to skinny twig of ugly.

delusion, his face looks way different in a better way.

if u are fully gymcelled (assuming u are) then being low bf is far superior than high bf for facial aesthics, obviously.

 

[Deleted member 7076]

I have already lost a shit ton of weight and it hasn't made me good looking and no matter how much fat I will lose, it WILL NEVER.

i never in my life, not once had hollow cheeks and i have been 'low bf' my whole life.

unless u have veins everywhere and defined ab muscles in all lighting, u can't accurately evaluate your face.

i thought my jaw was a failo, my eyes were my biggest halo, i need bimax, ect. after leanmaxxing to ACTUAL low bf, i now know just by looking at pictures that my jaw is my biggest halo (hollow cheeks nowadays), and my eyes are worse than my jaw. i could have easilly stayed at the bf i had where i didn't have jaw definition and got surgery and then leanmaxxed. AND THEN REALISED I FUCKED UP. leanmax comes first. i dont give a fuck that im 16 and ur idk how old. YOU HAVE TO LEANMAX FIRST BEFORE SURGERY CONSIDERATIONS.

just trying to help, hope u get my point.

 

[bddmaxxed]

I have the exact same asymmetry, I could easily notice it in your photos but I don't think it's really noticable in motion?

 

[Deleted member 6908]

delusion, his face looks way different in a better way.

if u are fully gymcelled (assuming u are) then being low bf is far superior than high bf for facial aesthics, obviously.

Kid.

His face looks way better but going from really ugly to moderately ugly is an ascendentment that you could consider "way-better".

Correct or incorrect?

He is now low-tier normie. AT BEST. He went from ugly to low-tier normie.

Lol at you thinking I can become good looking from just gym maxing. Dude I have a bachelors in sports science and am qualified as a PTI (Just never practised as one) I have had a great body in the past and I was never at Chad-lite levels. I was high-tier normie irl (Not camera) and that was more cute/adorable appeal from all the collagen I was getting from strength training and youth. I am now using red light therapy every day and microneedling once a month. So I am encouraging collagen production, but it will never be the same. I have an adult face now and looking "CUTE" at 28/29 is not high-tier normie. It's man-child shit. Coz you can tell he's a mature person that still has a baby-face. Collagen and low body fat to accentuate bone-structure works if you were good looking to begin with. I wasn't. Cute at best.

 

[Deleted member 6908]

I have the exact same asymmetry, I could easily notice it in your photos but I don't think it's really noticable in motion?

Lmao. Yeah. If it wasn't there in motion you'd probably think he was decent looking, but because it is there in motion, you subliminally think "average af".

 

[Deleted member 7076]

Kid.

His face looks way better but going from really ugly to moderately ugly is an ascendentment that you could consider "way-better".

Correct or incorrect?

He is now low-tier normie. AT BEST. He went from ugly to low-tier normie.

Lol at you thinking I can become good looking from just gym maxing. Dude I have a bachelors in sports science and am qualified as a PTI (Just never practised as one) I have had a great body in the past and I was never at Chad-lite levels. I was high-tier normie irl (Not camera) and that was more cute/adorable appeal from all the collagen I was getting from strength training and youth. I am now using red light therapy every day and microneedling once a month. So I am encouraging collagen production, but it will never be the same. I have an adult face now and looking "CUTE" at 28/29 is not high-tier normie. It's man-child shit. Coz you can tell he's a mature person that still has a baby-face. Collagen and low body fat to accentuate bone-structure works if you were good looking to begin with. I wasn't. Cute at best.

no matter what ur age is. 16 or 50 years old. the leaner your face is, the more attractive your face is to the opposite sex.

there are fucking studies out there that should facial leanness is more attractive than sexually dimorphic facial features themself

no girl wants a bloated gymcel normie

they would rather a ripped gymcel normie with facial leanness OBVIOUSLy!!

 

[Deleted member 10449]

Who tf will read all of this

 

[Deleted member 6908]

no matter what ur age is. 16 or 50 years old. the leaner your face is, the more attractive your face is to the opposite sex.

there are fucking studies out there that should facial leanness is more attractive than sexually dimorphic facial features themself

no girl wants a bloated gymcel normie

they would rather a ripped gymcel normie with facial leanness OBVIOUSLy!!

Dude I fucked a 4/10 Curry only a few weeks back and have a way higher body count than you, so please don't lecture me on women.

You just don't get it. I don't want to be an "alright looking guy with a good body that middle tier beckys are open to but only if I'm super sweet, charming and have oh so much going". I want Staceys and I wanna slay them. I have the charisma/game but not the looks. I can't dumb this down for you enough for you to get it, can I? Why? Because I'm a millennial and you're a dense zoomer that can't use critical thinking and can only think in straight lines. Shut up. Give it up. Your "belief system" and "I know it all" mentality is retarded. You're young and dumb.

Let me ask you this: What would you rate me now and where do you think I rate lean and mean? Lmao. Out of 10.

 

[Deleted member 6908]

Who tf will read all of this

Somebody that isn't a dopamine addict spacious minded ADHD Zoomer that isn't wasting their fucking time and improving themselves. (Or doing something with themselves)

 

[Deleted member 10449]

Somebody that isn't a dopamine addict spacious minded ADHD Zoomer that isn't wasting their fucking time and improving themselves. (Or doing something with themselves)

No, what I mean is nobody gives a fk about u

 

[Deleted member 7076]

Dude I fucked a 4/10 Curry only a few weeks back and have a way higher body count than you, so please don't lecture me on women.

You just don't get it. I don't want to be an "alright looking guy with a good body that middle tier beckys are open to but only if I'm super sweet, charming and have oh so much going". I want Staceys and I wanna slay them. I have the charisma/game but not the looks. I can't dumb this down for you enough for you to get it, can I? Why? Because I'm a millennial and you're a dense zoomer that can't use critical thinking and can only think in straight lines. Shut up. Give it up. Your "belief system" and "I know it all" mentality is retarded. You're young and dumb.

Let me ask you this: What would you rate me now and where do you think I rate lean and mean? Lmao. Out of 10.

u are normie rn, i was like 3 psl before leanmaxxing

sky is the limit with leanmaxxing

i am confirmed 5.5psl by other users after leanmaxxing. can send pics of before and after if u dont believe

 

[Deleted member 6908]

No, what I mean is nobody gives a fk about u

Ohhhh big man behind a computer screen. HURTFUL!

 

[Deleted member 6475]

No, what I mean is nobody gives a fk about u

Somebody that isn't a dopamine addict spacious minded ADHD Zoomer that isn't wasting their fucking time and improving themselves. (Or doing something with themselves)

 

[Deleted member 10615]

very interesting i have this to a slight degree aswell.
but the side that is less develeoped on my face has a better cheekbone with better mass but the more forward grown side has a slight hollow cheek affect even tho the cheekbone has less mass then the worse develeoped side of my face and my smile is also sllightly wider on my worse side for some reason

very very interesting

 

[Deleted member 6908]

u are normie rn, i was like 3 psl before leanmaxxing

sky is the limit with leanmaxxing

i am confirmed 5.5psl by other users after leanmaxxing. can send pics of before and after if u dont believe

I knew you would evade answering my Q like an imbecile.

I am normie right now and I would be a slightly higher normie with body fat down. I know that because I'm 28 going on 29 and have lived as a lean mother fucker with a sick body. I'm older and more experienced than you. You believing into this lower body fat shit is just cope for the fact you are average. You need surgery too. So you look a little pretty with all your youthful collagen and faggot skincare routine. Woopdifuckingdoo. It's the same as a bitch wearing a bucket ton of makeup to makeup for a lack of feminine facial structure and good features. Only it doesn't work, because women don't have the strength of sexual hormone to want to fuck anything in sight. Just stop it bro. I don't need you stating the obvious to me about leanmaxing. It's not going to change my face into Chad fucking lite. Wake up.

 

[Deleted member 7076]

I knew you would evade answering my Q like an imbecile.

I am normie right now and I would be a slightly higher normie with body fat down. I know that because I'm 28 going on 29 and have lived as a lean mother fucker with a sick body. I'm older and more experienced than you. You believing into this lower body fat shit is just cope for the fact you are average. You need surgery too. So you look a little pretty with all your youthful collagen and faggot skincare routine. Woopdifuckingdoo. It's the same as a bitch wearing a bucket ton of makeup to makeup for a lack of feminine facial structure and good features. Only it doesn't work, because women don't have the strength of sexual hormone to want to fuck anything in sight. Just stop it bro. I don't need you stating the obvious to me about leanmaxing. It's not going to change my face into Chad fucking lite. Wake up.

im gonna pm u, leanmaxxing is fucking powerful man.

 

[Deleted member 6908]

im gonna pm u, leanmaxxing is fucking powerful man.

And I can bet you simply went from average to average but oh he has nice skin.

 

[Deleted member 6908]

Send pm then?

 

[Deleted member 7076]

Send pm then?

check.

 

[SPFromNY914]

And for those that need to see it in motion to be sure:

IMO, GET LEAN, clear your skin and find a way to make it less oily,neckmax, cut the hair and get a style that's proportionate to your face, groom your shitty eyebrows, then you're fine

 

[herring]

your worst failo isn't your assymetry or ipd, it's the fucking bloat you dipshit.

stop with the stupid mental gymnastics and just lose weight already

 

[Deleted member 3635]

check.

pm me as well bro

 

[Deleted member 3635]

pm me as well bro

i am just a bit skeptical of leanmaxxing

 

[ascentium]

you can't easily fix asymmetry as severe as yours. Attempting to make it less noticeable may have an adverse effect if done incorrectly.

lets list your most obvious asymmetries from bottom to top and see if we notice a trend:

1. Your midline is off and jaws are swung to the left

2. Your nose bridge, as a result, is also deviated to the left

3. Your eyes are misaligned, with the left eye being slightly higher

4. Your ears are misaligned, with the left ear being slightly higher

Get the picture? Asymmetry tends to form in a similar manner to postural deformities. The root cause is always the LOWEST possible deformity ie your jaws (perhaps through asymmetric chewing during developmental years.) As such, your entire SKULL is slightly deviated to the left. In fact, I'm 100% sure that if we took an x-ray your cranium would be substantially wider on your left side. Attempting to fix this to a great degree, other than being a huge ball ache, is just stupid.

My advice:

You shouldn't bother fixing your eyes & ears and you can't fix your nose bridge. Getting a rhinoplasty to straighten the nose would therefore be relatively stupid as even if your nose is completely straight along the midline, your nose bridge will not be.

If your palate is narrow, get MSE. That's it. It won't have a noticeable effect on asymmetry, if any at all.

Getting bi-max to improve the vertical alignment of your jaws may be beneficial as it could give your right side some more width, which would balance your face out. This may make your asymmetry a little less noticeable, especially in motion.

After bi-max, maybe get a chin wing/ shield and/or implants/fillers to make your chin more square. You currently have the eyes of an adult and the jaw of a child, and so this will drastically improve your smv.

Don't focus on the shit you can't change. What good does that do?

good take but wrong tbh.

 

[ascentium]

 

[Deleted member 1862]

good take but wrong tbh. View attachment 953550

based, nice one

I only glanced at the pic & didnt realise his head was tilted pretty substantially

@MakinItHappen half of your perceived asymmetry might from the fact that your neck is permanently curved tbh

in motion it's less noticeable

 

[bimaximum]

I totally get why you want to fix your asymmetry, but don’t expect any psl boost, .5 at most. Just saying because I’m afraid you’ll rope if girl reject you the same way.
IRL the brain is totally used to asymmetry, actually more than symmetry.
Get Bimax if your occlusal plane is deviated. Otherwise you really only need filler and Botox, and losing fat.
Remind that before going extreme.
Now please stop autisting.

 

[TimeToChange]

Stop speaking when you film yourself plz

 

[court monarch777]

1) Phenotype

is it possible latino maxing with products to make the skin lighter, and dye the hair brown?

 

[coke]

Just a disclaimer before we start: My adjustable dumbbells arrived yesterday and the packaging is all over the place, along with my bench. So the room is a tip. Will only reply to people commenting on the topic and not my room. (House sharing with 3 other dudes)

Left side: (Closer to genetic potential and correct bone-positioning) Brow-ridge is stronger, maxilla is slightly better positioned and eye-lid isn't drooping due to a solid but not magnificent under-eye support.

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Right side: (Far from genetic potential, as shown from left side. Maxilla is recessed. Under eye-support as a result of maxilla being shit is weak and thus my eye-lid droops ontop of my eye. This weak under eye support also fucks up my orbitals on this side and my cheek bone mass is less here too and weaker positioned. My gonial angle isn't the same and there is slight downward growth compared with the left side which has a lot more forward growth. Irl (Mirror) you can see it properly, so don't start running your thinking entirely off these photos only.

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"It doesn't show up much irl man. This is is just photos. Everyone has a better side".

Wrong.

Here you can clearly see everything on the right side of my face is fucked. (Camera's right for you low IQ)

It's less full. The cheek-bone is weaker-set. The brow-ridge is weak. The droopy eye-lid has caused the eye-socket to position in a fucked up way. This is all to do with the maxilla being weak on this side. That then had a KNOCK-ON EFFECT onto the under-eye's support and everything ended up being DROOPY. The face is overall less full as as a result. Now I am not saying my other side is good looking, but it's atleast decent. If my right-side was the same my harmony and overall looks rating/value would be higher. You can even see that my right ear sticks out. Even my hair is better on my left-side. Please save me the mediocrity and don't generalise this issue as down to everybody having ayssemtry. Yes I realise my palate is narrower on the right side, but expanding it with MSE is not going to guarantee this positions better and reading a thread some other mid 20s Curry a few days ago, MSE descended him as it took away the quality of his eye-area, which he claimed was his only strength.

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Here you see again, with me further away from the webcam.

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Here's 3/4 profile of good side.

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Heres 3/4 profile of bad side. You can even see there is a tiny bump in my nose on the right side lol. Look at the downward growth on this side too. Pure ugly. Again, not saying the left side is good-looking per say, but it is at least acceptable of NTness.

View attachment 922980

You look sorta like Shahrukh Khan

 

[ascentium]

You think mse will improve mento labial

 

[Deleted member 6908]

@Pubertymaxxingcel

Still think I have no asymmetry?