just get fade and tats if you're..

[Deleted member 2486]

the guy obviously looks good, but imagine him with a shit haircut and without tatoos and without his eyebrows done

 

[mattzdeb]

If you tattoo your face you fucked up bad

 

[TsarTsar444]

UUUUUUUUUUU

 

[Deleted member 2486]

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wtf

 

[KEy21]

Every other guy has this shit these days that I see in clubs...so common to have sleeves and this type of haircut while gymcelled from the 20-30 range...

It’s almost becoming a novelty to not have tats..

I’m mirin the face and neck tats tho, they halo him

 

[Deleted member 2486]

Every other guy has this shit these days that I see in clubs...so common to have sleeves and this type of haircut while gymcelled from the 20-30 range...

It’s almost becoming a novelty to not have tats..

I’m mirin the face and neck tats tho, they halo him

i agree its extremely common. threads inspirations was that bloated fat incels here on this forum cope with curtains haircut which makes them look like a pregnant woman

 

[TheMewingBBC]

All those tats make him look hella low class, he will still look just as good if not better without the tats and just the haircut

 

[Deleted member 2486]

All those tats make him look hella low class, he will still looks just as good if not better without the tats and just the haircut

he'd look more clean without them and more "high class", but i don't think he'd be more sexually attractive to women. also fits his niche

 

[shibo]

If you tattoo your face you fucked up bad

you can never get a job with them tbh

 

[Deleted member 2486]

you can never get a job with them tbh

join the cartel

 

[SurgerySoon]

Every other guy has this shit these days that I see in clubs...so common to have sleeves and this type of haircut while gymcelled from the 20-30 range...

It’s almost becoming a novelty to not have tats..

I’m mirin the face and neck tats tho, they halo him

I've heard that this is basically *the* look to have (fade haircut, tats, douchebag clothing) if you want to be perceived by girls as a candidate for ONS's. In fact, one girl I know with a 50+ laycount said that a guy either has to have either that look or the elusive prettyboy kissylips MM look for her to consider hooking up with him.

@KEy21, based on what you've observed in clubs, are those guys generally successful with pulling girls?

 

[Squirtoutmabooty]

 

[Deleted member 2486]

i mean he looks like shit obviously, but probably still looks 10x times better than how he looks without this niche lol

 

[Squirtoutmabooty]

i mean he looks like shit obviously, but probably still looks 10x times better than how he looks without this niche lol

 

[Deleted member 2486]

 

[KEy21]

I've heard that this is basically *the* look to have (fade haircut, tats, douchebag clothing) if you want to be perceived by girls as a candidate for ONS's. In fact, one girl I know with a 50+ laycount said that a guy either has to have either that look or the elusive prettyboy kissylips MM look for her to consider hooking up with him.

@KEy21, based on what you've observed in clubs, are those guys generally successful with pulling girls?

Take everything she says with a grain of salt. Yeah, some of those guys slay for sure...but it depends on your base it’s much better to be a white guy and do it or Spanish or Arab. It’s hard as a currycel and it works for chinks but that’s because the chinks I see are usually in gangs and bring 10+ girls to their table. I don’t think it would work if they went by themselves without girls in generation population.

It’s hard for oldcels in general. I saw a dark ethnik dude who had this type of gelled haircut with tattoos full sleeve and neck covered and he was gymcelled. He looked like 40 though and he went alone. He was lurking around tables super low inhib talking to a ton of cute young girls. He’d spit a ton of game and even after the club night ended me and my friends saw him walk by and approach some really cute girl that was waiting for an uber and he tried to make a last grip attempt to spit at her to come home with him and she left and her friends told him she was going home and waiting for an uber.

So if you’re older it’s quite tough to pull off. It works for 20-30’s best. Best if you’re white or Latino or Arab, worst If you’re curry or Asian.

 

[Deleted member 2581]

you can never get a job with them tbh

You can in California

people don’t care here

 

[SurgerySoon]

Take everything she says with a grain of salt. Yeah, some of those guys slay for sure...but it depends on your base it’s much better to be a white guy and do it or Spanish or Arab. It’s hard as a currycel and it works for chinks but that’s because the chinks I see are usually in gangs and bring 10+ girls to their table. I don’t think it would work if they went by themselves without girls in generation population.

It’s hard for oldcels in general. I saw a dark ethnik dude who had this type of gelled haircut with tattoos full sleeve and neck covered and he was gymcelled. He looked like 40 though and he went alone. He was lurking around tables super low inhib talking to a ton of cute young girls. He’d spit a ton of game and even after the club night ended me and my friends saw him walk by and approach some really cute girl that was waiting for an uber and he tried to make a last grip attempt to spit at her to come home with him and she left and her friends told him she was going home and waiting for an uber.

So if you’re older it’s quite tough to pull off. It works for 20-30’s best. Best if you’re white or Latino or Arab, worst If you’re curry or Asian.

Damn, so it's just as insanely competitive as I assumed it would be (and I figured it was over at my age anyways). Still nothing wrong with going out to bars/clubs at night on the weekends to have a few drinks and enjoy myself, though. It beats sitting at home watching TV or some shit.

... So when these guys try to pull girls to go home with them, what sort of process do they follow? Do they actually implement all that cringey PUA "game" shit where they work on the same girl over the course of several hours while they're at the club that night?

Also, kind of a random question, but would an obviously 30+ guy be viewed as creepy and out of place even if he was just sitting there keeping to himself with a drink or whatever?

 

[Deleted member 2486]

Take everything she says with a grain of salt. Yeah, some of those guys slay for sure...but it depends on your base it’s much better to be a white guy and do it or Spanish or Arab. It’s hard as a currycel and it works for chinks but that’s because the chinks I see are usually in gangs and bring 10+ girls to their table. I don’t think it would work if they went by themselves without girls in generation population.

It’s hard for oldcels in general. I saw a dark ethnik dude who had this type of gelled haircut with tattoos full sleeve and neck covered and he was gymcelled. He looked like 40 though and he went alone. He was lurking around tables super low inhib talking to a ton of cute young girls. He’d spit a ton of game and even after the club night ended me and my friends saw him walk by and approach some really cute girl that was waiting for an uber and he tried to make a last grip attempt to spit at her to come home with him and she left and her friends told him she was going home and waiting for an uber.

So if you’re older it’s quite tough to pull off. It works for 20-30’s best. Best if you’re white or Latino or Arab, worst If you’re curry or Asian.

be very cautious what you say to him. he literally takes everything seriously

 

[Gosick]

rat faced

 

[Deleted member 2486]

rat faced

still slays

 

[Gosick]

still slays

you dont know that

 

[forwardgrowth]

this thread is legit as hell, women aren't dying for psl perfection as much as they are pheno and masc traits, be roided, liftmax, develop nt easy lays for anyone above psl 4.5

 

[KEy21]

Damn, so it's just as insanely competitive as I assumed it would be (and I figured it was over at my age anyways). Still nothing wrong with going out to bars/clubs at night on the weekends to have a few drinks and enjoy myself, though. It beats sitting at home watching TV or some shit.

... So when these guys try to pull girls to go home with them, what sort of process do they follow? Do they actually implement all that cringey PUA "game" shit where they work on the same girl over the course of several hours while they're at the club that night?

Also, kind of a random question, but would an obviously 30+ guy be viewed as creepy and out of place even if he was just sitting there keeping to himself with a drink or whatever?

No, nobody would care it’s normal. So don’t worry about that

Nobody uses PUA shit. He just used learned behavior from approaching tons of girls. He just asked her questions and tried to talk himself up and build social status quickly so he could bring her back...that’s the most autistic way I could put it lol.

We have 30+ year old guys at our tables or that pay the tab all the time. They’re the ones who run VIP 90% of the time because they have all the money. That’s why it’s important to moneymaxx as an oldcel. You have younger more attractive guys to do your bidding and in return they get monetarily compensated by being able to be in VIP and have a private spot with girls because they don’t have the money or their own place to bring them otherwise.

It’s a friendship/partnership with a mutual exchange of favors that benefits both parties. That’s how you make the best friendships.

God, my insight on reality is literally next level lol.

be very cautious what you say to him. he literally takes everything seriously

I always try to be brutally honest with him. I feel fine though because he usually already has his mind made up anyway before he asks questions in my experience.

 

[Gosick]

slaying is cope tbh


mogging other men is everything, and its impossible to mog if your short and indian no matter wtf ur facial rating is.

 

[SurgerySoon]

No, nobody would care it’s normal. So don’t worry about that

Nobody uses PUA shit. He just used learned behavior from approaching tons of girls. He just asked her questions and tried to talk himself up and build social status quickly so he could bring her back...that’s the most autistic way I could put it lol.

We have 30+ year old guys at our tables or that pay the tab all the time. They’re the ones who run VIP 90% of the time because they have all the money. That’s why it’s important to moneymaxx as an oldcel. You have younger more attractive guys to do your bidding and in return they get monetarily compensated by being able to be in VIP and have a private spot with girls because they don’t have the money or their own place otherwise.

It’s a friendship/partnership with a mutual exchange of favors that benefits both parties. That’s how you make the best friendships.

God, my insight on reality is literally next level lol.

I always try to be brutally honest with him. I feel fine though because he usually already has his mind made up anyway before he asks questions in my experience.

I've never heard of that sort of arrangement before TBH. How do the old guys actually go about attracting girls though when the younger and more attractive guys (even if age wasn't a factor) are present as well?

Also, what about the more typical nightclubs that don't really have VIP tables and have more of a focus on dancing and all that shit (maybe a few dance floors with bars next to each one)? Like typical "club" clubs? Should 30+ oldcels just stay out of those places?

 

[forwardgrowth]

having tats is now sign your a relic from 2015

 

[KEy21]

I've never heard of that sort of arrangement before TBH. How do the old guys actually go about attracting girls though when the younger and more attractive guys (even if age wasn't a factor) are present as well?

Also, what about the more typical nightclubs that don't really have VIP tables and have more of a focus on dancing and all that shit (maybe a few dance floors with bars next to each one)? Like typical "club" clubs? Should 30+ oldcels just stay out of those places?

Because the old guys are hosting the afterparties, bought all the expensive alcohol, it’s their tables, they have high status jobs, and it’s not like they’re ugly fat guys. They’re usually above average looking for their age. So with a bunch of young girls around who don’t want to be with a bunch of crowded sweaty poor people and ethniks, they make conversation with the guys who can keep them comfortable and then they drink a good amount of high quality alcohol.

They get to take cool snapchats of the alcohol arriving and the VIP section and they end up having a ball. They go to the after party and they end up fucking the guy a lot of the time because the vibe is right. Don’t get me wrong, sometimes these guys spend 5-8k some nights and get NOTHING. But they have enough money where it doesn’t phase them, and when they strike out, they come back up to bat with a new bat, helmet and jersey because that’s the game.

And if there’s no VIP tables etc then it’s fine. It actually looks worse for you as an oldcel if there’s a VIP section and you’re not in there. Means you’re old and don’t have a lot of money. It evens the playing field.

Just looksmax, drink, dance and approach. Chalk up the rejections to the game and move on. As long as you become very good looking you may fail a good amount of times but sometimes your approaches mixed with the vibe will work out and you’ll get laid.

 

[SurgerySoon]

Because the old guys are hosting the afterparties, bought all the expensive alcohol, it’s their tables, they have high status jobs, and it’s not like they’re ugly fat guys. They’re usually above average looking for their age. So with a bunch of young girls around who don’t want to be with a bunch of crowded sweaty poor people and ethniks, they make conversation with the guys who can keep them comfortable and then they drink a good amount of high quality alcohol.

They get to take cool snapchats of the alcohol arriving and the VIP section and they end up having a ball. They go to the after party and they end up fucking the guy a lot of the time because the vibe is right. Don’t get me wrong, sometimes these guys spend 5-8k some nights and get NOTHING. But they have enough money where it doesn’t phase them, and when they strike out, they come back up to bat with a new bat, helmet and jersey because that’s the game.

And if there’s no VIP tables etc then it’s fine. It actually looks worse for you as an oldcel if there’s a VIP section and you’re not in there. Means you’re old and don’t have a lot of money. It evens the playing field.

Just looksmax, drink, dance and approach. Chalk up the rejections to the game and move on. As long as you become very good looking you may fail a good amount of times but sometimes your approaches mixed with the vibe will work out and you’ll get laid.

$5k-$8k per night? Shit, I'll never be able to spend that kind of money. I'll be earning a decent income for a single guy who never made the mistake of having kids, but in the range of low six figures, not $500k+. TBH even if I was making insane money, I still don't think I'd be able to bring myself to waste that much money just to get laid (I'd rather spend a fraction of that amount to go to a high class escort TBH).

I honestly can't see myself having success with approaching girls in clubs (I guess this is where the part about you saying I've usually made up my mind in advance prior to asking you things comes into play), especially since the same girls will be getting approached by guys who are not only better-looking than I could ever become through surgery (unless Sailer or one of the other maxfacs can work a miracle via osteotomies), but who are also 10+ years younger than me. At best I may have appeal to washed-up 28+ post-prime hags, but I'm not even counting on that. Either way, it sounds like my only chances of success are going to depend on a whole confluence of random factors coming together at the same time that miraculously result in some blah oldcel getting laid (e.g., girl is super drunk, separated from friends, vibe is right, etc).

Oh well. At the very least, I'll be putting myself in the environment even if just to show up and have a couple drinks since I honestly don't know wtf else I'll be doing on random Friday/Saturday nights. Like I said in my previous post, it beats sitting on my ass playing video games or watching TV all night, which I'm not interested in doing anyways.

 

[whitebadboy]

Long hair hero vs shaved farmer

 

[KEy21]

$5k-$8k per night? Shit, I'll never be able to spend that kind of money. I'll be earning a decent income for a single guy who never made the mistake of having kids, but in the range of low six figures, not $500k+. TBH even if I was making insane money, I still don't think I'd be able to bring myself to waste that much money just to get laid (I'd rather spend a fraction of that amount to go to a high class escort TBH).

I honestly can't see myself having success with approaching girls in clubs (I guess this is where the part about you saying I've usually made up my mind in advance prior to asking you things comes into play), especially since the same girls will be getting approached by guys who are not only better-looking than I could ever become through surgery (unless Sailer or one of the other maxfacs can work a miracle via osteotomies), but who are also 10+ years younger than me. At best I may have appeal to washed-up 28+ post-prime hags, but I'm not even counting on that. Either way, it sounds like my only chances of success are going to depend on a whole confluence of random factors coming together at the same time that miraculously result in some blah oldcel getting laid (e.g., girl is super drunk, separated from friends, vibe is right, etc).

Oh well. At the very least, I'll be putting myself in the environment even if just to show up and have a couple drinks since I honestly don't know wtf else I'll be doing on random Friday/Saturday nights. Like I said in my previous post, it beats sitting on my ass playing video games or watching TV all night, which I'm not interested in doing anyways.

That’s how most people get laid in those type of environments. Right place, right time, alcohol, vibes etc.

Most men aren’t amazing looking. It just requires a high sex drive to be persistent through rejections and keep spending your time/money on attempts and journey for getting girls. Usually once you get 1 or two girls you go on streaks...This happens to me and my friends and it’s odd but we all agree it’s like a divine energy or just vibe where Lady Luck decides to dance with you.

There are probably some post primed girls who would think you’re genuinely handsome after surgery. But you’d definitely have to settle for someone who is far from a Stacy.

Aside from that, If you wanted to bang decent looking girls you’d have to rely on the stars aligning in regard to how the night goes as I’ve demonstrated.

That’s how it is. This is why a lot of men decide to bow out of the race and do things they enjoy instead. In their case they get to save a lot of money, do their hobbies, save themselves the social and ego humiliation of constant rejections and they get to hold onto beliefs of a false reality that may be bestowed upon them in the future. They don’t find it worthwhile physically or spiritually to pursue and put so much effort into banging club sluts and girls alike.

It’s hard to accept the world for what it is, but once you do and start trying to compete..you find subtle ways to adjust and adapt, slowly but surely and even subconsciously. The odds may be low that you’re going to live a huge slayerfilled lifestyle at this point in regard to your social skills and the way your brain works at this stage in your life. But you may become fulfilled once you start to look good and work on running numbers game and using your strengths to your advantages.

The odds are stacked against you in many ways but if you put your name in the hat you might be surprised at how high the odds are that you may be able to carve out a niche in life that satisfies you.

 

[SurgerySoon]

That’s how most people get laid in those type of environments. Right place, right time, alcohol, vibes etc.

Most men aren’t amazing looking. It just requires a high sex drive to be persistent through rejections and keep spending your time/money on attempts and journey for getting girls. Usually once you get 1 or two girls you go on streaks...This happens to me and my friends and it’s odd but we all agree it’s like a divine energy or just vibe where Lady Luck decides to dance with you.

There are probably some post primed girls who would think you’re genuinely handsome after surgery. But you’d definitely have to settle for someone who is far from a Stacy.

Aside from that, If you wanted to bang decent looking girls you’d have to rely on the stars aligning in regard to how the night goes as I’ve demonstrated.

That’s how it is. This is why a lot of men decide to bow out of the race and do things they enjoy instead. In their case they get to save a lot of money, do their hobbies, save themselves the social and ego humiliation of constant rejections and they get to hold onto beliefs of a false reality that may be bestowed upon them in the future. They don’t find it worthwhile physically or spiritually to pursue and put so much effort into banging club sluts and girls alike.

It’s hard to accept the world for what it is, but once you do and start trying to compete..you find subtle ways to adjust and adapt, slowly but surely and even subconsciously. The odds may be low that you’re going to live a huge slayerfilled lifestyle at this point in regard to your social skills and the way your brain works at this stage in your life. But you may become fulfilled once you start to look good and work on running numbers game and using your strengths to your advantages.

The odds are stacked against you in many ways but if you put your name in the hat you might be surprised at how high the odds are that you may be able to carve out a niche in life that satisfies you.

Maybe so. I guess I'll find out the hard way but I kind of feel like I already have. What you said in your post -- that there may be some post-prime girls who might find me to be GL after surgery but not Stacy's -- is one of the reasons why I've been wondering if I'd honestly be better off just saving all that money and spending it on escorts instead.

This is how I see it: unless I really, really just want to look a certain way to satisfy myself, is it really going to be worth it to spend so much money to only end up being attractive to post-prime girls who no longer have even a semblance of attractiveness left?

That's one reason I'm on the fence here about bothering to get more surgery. I'm sure I'll be more satisfied by being happier with my appearance, but when I think about all the other things I could buy with all that money (cars, vacations, escorts, etc.), I'm just not sure if it will be worth it to follow through on spending all that money when there won't be much of a pragmatic benefit associated with it.

I think I would've felt differently about all of it if I was at least 5 years younger, but now I feel like it would probably just make more sense to say forget it and live out what appears to be the most realistic course for the rest of my life at this point. I almost feel like I'd look ridiculously out of place to step into a nightclub at this age, especially considering what the other guys are going to look like (in terms of both age and attractiveness).

However, the difference between myself and the other guys you mentioned who have decided to bow out of the game is that I don't have any illusions about having some sort of false future lifestyle bestowed upon me as a reward for "investing in myself." I would be bowing out of the game simply because I know I wouldn't be successful, or because I know I wouldn't be satisfied only being able to hookup with legitimately ugly post-prime girls. So in other words, if I do decide to give up, it will be because it feels like that's the only natural paty for me to take.

Just curious... is the main reason I won't be able to get decent-looking girls (unless I randomly get lucky on certain nights) primarily attributable to my visual age, looksmaxxing ceiling, or both?

 

[KEy21]

Maybe so. I guess I'll find out the hard way but I kind of feel like I already have. What you said in your post -- that there may be some post-prime girls who might find me to be GL after surgery but not Stacy's -- is one of the reasons why I've been wondering if I'd honestly be better off just saving all that money and spending it on escorts instead.

This is how I see it: unless I really, really just want to look a certain way to satisfy myself, is it really going to be worth it to spend so much money to only end up being attractive to post-prime girls who no longer have even a semblance of attractiveness left?

That's one reason I'm on the fence here about bothering to get more surgery. I'm sure I'll be more satisfied by being happier with my appearance, but when I think about all the other things I could buy with all that money (cars, vacations, escorts, etc.), I'm just not sure if it will be worth it to follow through on spending all that money when there won't be much of a pragmatic benefit associated with it.

I think I would've felt differently about all of it if I was at least 5 years younger, but now I feel like it would probably just make more sense to say forget it and live out what appears to be the most realistic course for the rest of my life at this point. I almost feel like I'd look ridiculously out of place to step into a nightclub at this age, especially considering what the other guys are going to look like (in terms of both age and attractiveness).

However, the difference between myself and the other guys you mentioned who have decided to bow out of the game is that I don't have any illusions about having some sort of false future lifestyle bestowed upon me as a reward for "investing in myself." I would be bowing out of the game simply because I know I wouldn't be successful, or because I know I wouldn't be satisfied only being able to hookup with legitimately ugly post-prime girls. So in other words, if I do decide to give up, it will be because it feels like that's the only natural paty for me to take.

Just curious... is the main reason I won't be able to get decent-looking girls (unless I randomly get lucky on certain nights) primarily attributable to my visual age, looksmaxxing ceiling, or both?

I think your age could be better but it’s not terrible. Your looks could be better but they’re not terrible. And you don’t really have any status or ability to toss tons of money around to compensate. You’re socially stunted and definitely don’t have a way with words...

So what you’re really left with is an average guy fighting against the grain in a competitive environment.

You have the option to make yourself even better looking at the expense of more time and money, to try and compensate and move out of the average range. Although your social skills and financials will be lacking heavily by that point. Contrary to popular belief on this website from non sentient curries, saying “let’s fuck” as a good looking guy to a girl in a club actually doesn’t work. And she’d get more pleasure out of rejecting you then going back to your basement with you.

If I could make a suggestion I’d say to looksmax as much as you can within your budget. So perhaps get almond eye surgery and be done with it for now. Then if things aren’t going the way you want, then you’ll know that spending $50,000+ on doublejaw wont be worthwhile.

I’m not necessarily saying the girl that would find you handsome is a disgusting hambeast. But she definitely won’t be a Stacy realistically speaking. But you theoretically could be banging a Stacy on a regular basis if you became rich and provided for her. She’d be giving you her pussy in exchange for you providing her with money and comfort. But again this requires a level of social skills and status to keep her around.

I’d say try to dating app max and try to find a girl a bit younger than you who you can meet up with and start a relationship or something to that effect. She may have to be average looking or a bit less for that to work out easily. That way you won’t feel as frustrated or lonely when you’re getting rejected often (as happens to most guys) and you’re able to spend time with her instead of TV and video games that you don’t enjoy.

 

[SurgerySoon]

I think your age could be better but it’s not terrible. Your looks could be better but they’re not terrible. And you don’t really have any status or ability to toss tons of money around to compensate. You’re socially stunted and definitely don’t have a way with words...

So what you’re really left with is an average guy fighting against the grain in a competitive environment.

You have the option to make yourself even better looking at the expense of more time and money, to try and compensate and move out of the average range. Although your social skills and financials will be lacking heavily by that point. Contrary to popular belief on this website from non sentience curries, saying “let’s fuck” as a good looking guy to a girl in a club actually doesn’t work. And she’d get more pleasure out of rejecting you then going back to your basement with you.

If I could make a suggestion I’d say to looksmax as much as you can within your budget. So perhaps get almond eye surgery and be done with it for now. Then if things aren’t going the way you want, then you’ll know that spending $50,000+ on doublejaw wont be worthwhile.

I’m not necessarily saying the girl that would find you handsome is a disgusting hambeast. But she definitely won’t be a Stacy realistically speaking. But you theoretically could be banging a Stacy on a regular basis if you became rich and provided for her. She’d be giving you her pussy in exchange for you providing her with money and comfort. But again this requires a level of social skills and status to keep her around.

I’d say try to dating app max and try to find a girl a bit younger than you who you can meet up with and start a relationship or something to that effect. She may have to be average looking or a bit less for that to work out easily. That way you won’t feel as frustrated or lonely when you’re getting rejected often (as happens to most guys) and you’re able to spend time with her instead of TV and video games that you don’t enjoy.

I'm honestly not interested in what you suggested in your last point (to start a legitimate relationship with a girl). I know for a fact that I'm simply not interested in that sort of thing, just as I know I don't want to have kids. It's kind of hard to explain, but it's one of those things that you just "know" you either want or don't want. Hopefully you know what I'm talking about. I'm not saying that this is what you're doing, but PLEASE don't pull the whole "you need to get into a relationship because you can't say for sure that you wouldn't actually like it until you try it!" argument like several others here have. I just know it's not something I'm interested in. Also, having to settle for an average/below-average girl for an LTR would honestly be an even bigger ego blow than getting repeatedly rejected by club sluts, especially since there's the general perception that guys can usually pull better-looking girls for LTRs... and yet, I wouldn't even have that going for me. And the prospect of doing the whole "domesticated home life" thing just makes me shudder. I see other guys my age with their GFs/wives who are living that reality and it terrifies me to think of living that life myself. I simply do not want it.

Just out of curiosity, what motivated you suggest to me that I should consider LTRs? Did you think a bit more deeply about the level of competition I'll have in clubs/bars along with the multitude of factors I have working against me, from looks to personality to age?

Also, the other option you suggested (becoming rich and providing for a Stacy) isn't happening even if I wanted it to, not only because that type of arrangement doesn't appeal to me in general (just as how being in a relationship has zero appeal), but also because I'll never be wealthy enough to pull off that arrangement even if I wanted to.

Realistically speaking, how GL will almond eye surgery actually make me? I feel like right now I'm an average-looking guy with one glaringly below-average feature (eyes), and that fixing that feature will only turn me into a guy who is simply average-looking in all aspects of my attractiveness. Would you agree with that assessment?

Like I said, I don't know if all that money on surgery is going to be worth spending if it's all going to be spent in the name of settling for either post-prime, relatively unattractive club girls for hookups, or below average to average (at best) girls for LTRs I'm not even interested in in the first place. Both options kind of feel like the prospect of driving 10 hours just to get some cheap shit at a McDonald's drive-thru.

This is why I suggested just living my life, going out to clubs/bars for fun (I.e., no expectations or intentions to approach) and because it's a decent way to pass the time on Friday/Saturday nights as a single guy, and just plan on banging an escort a few times a month, especially since it sounds like that's going to be the only way I'll ever be able to have sex with truly attractive girls.

BTW, if you don't mind, could you clarify something you said in your post? You said that if I get almond eye surgery and still don't get the results I want with women, I'll know that spending the money on doublejaw surgery won't be worthwhile. Why do you say that? Wouldn't it be the other way around? In other words, if girls still don't find me attractive after almond eye surgery, wouldn't that possibly be an indication that midface recession could be holding my looks back at that point?

 

[Deleted member 2352]

jfl at face tats

 

[KEy21]

I'm honestly not interested in what you suggested in your last point (to start a legitimate relationship with a girl). I know for a fact that I'm simply not interested in that sort of thing, just as I know I don't want to have kids. It's kind of hard to explain, but it's one of those things that you just "know" you either want or don't want. Hopefully you know what I'm talking about. I'm not saying that this is what you're doing, but PLEASE don't pull the whole "you need to get into a relationship because you can't say for sure that you wouldn't actually like it until you try it!" argument like several others here have. I just know it's not something I'm interested in. Also, having to settle for an average/below-average girl for an LTR would honestly be an even bigger ego blow than getting repeatedly rejected by club sluts, especially since there's the general perception that guys can usually pull better-looking girls for LTRs... and yet, I wouldn't even have that going for me. And the prospect of doing the whole "domesticated home life" thing just makes me shudder. I see other guys my age with their GFs/wives who are living that reality and it terrifies me to think of living that life myself. I simply do not want it.

Just out of curiosity, what motivated you suggest to me that I should consider LTRs? Did you think a bit more deeply about the level of competition I'll have in clubs/bars along with the multitude of factors I have working against me, from looks to personality to age?

Also, the other option you suggested (becoming rich and providing for a Stacy) isn't happening even if I wanted it to, not only because that type of arrangement doesn't appeal to me in general (just as how being in a relationship has zero appeal), but also because I'll never be wealthy enough to pull off that arrangement even if I wanted to.

Realistically speaking, how GL will almond eye surgery actually make me? I feel like right now I'm an average-looking guy with one glaringly below-average feature (eyes), and that fixing that feature will only turn me into a guy who is simply average-looking in all aspects of my attractiveness. Would you agree with that assessment?

Like I said, I don't know if all that money on surgery is going to be worth spending if it's all going to be spent in the name of settling for either post-prime, relatively unattractive club girls for hookups, or below average to average (at best) girls for LTRs I'm not even interested in in the first place. Both options kind of feel like the prospect of driving 10 hours just to get some cheap shit at a McDonald's drive-thru.

This is why I suggested just living my life, going out to clubs/bars for fun (I.e., no expectations or intentions to approach) and because it's a decent way to pass the time on Friday/Saturday nights as a single guy, and just plan on banging an escort a few times a month, especially since it sounds like that's going to be the only way I'll ever be able to have sex with truly attractive girls.

BTW, if you don't mind, could you clarify something you said in your post? You said that if I get almond eye surgery and still don't get the results I want with women, I'll know that spending the money on doublejaw surgery won't be worthwhile. Why do you say that? Wouldn't it be the other way around? In other words, if girls still don't find me attractive after almond eye surgery, wouldn't that possibly be an indication that midface recession could be holding my looks back at that point?

Well I suggested the LTR option because you said that you don’t want to spend time alone watching TV or doing mindless shit alone. So I said if you had a girlfriend you could more positively supplicate your time with her and at least you’d be getting sex and interacting with someone who thinks you’re attractive.

Also, what exactly is the goal then? Of all of this? What do you think happens when you wake up next to a girl in the morning, several girls over time? Or at a suite party, where everyone is going out for brunch the next morning together? Once you start to socially integrate (hopefully that happens for you) then you’ll get numbers, exchange a lot of text messages, do meet ups.

It’s very hard to slay often, with little/no contact with the girl before or afterwards. Not saying sexual encounters like that don’t happen, but when you’re vibing and having sex with a girl you find attractive - you might catch feelings and then not want to just let her go. That could screw you, considering your vows to yourself and considering the fact that she’s gonna eventually find someone and get married etc

You have to realize that you’re only going to get older. So if you possibly have the chance of procuring a decent looking girl who’s young for marriage it’s something you may want to consider as an option - considering the alternative is continuously trying to slay as you enter your 40’s which is exceedingly harder without lots of money that you won’t have.

I think your option sounds good of going out and wanting to enjoy yourself on Friday and Saturday nights. But if you were to choose that route + escorts in place of trying to slay a lot, then it makes no sense to continue the invasive looksmaxxing.

And no, if the almond eye surgery isn’t getting you where you want to go. You realize that it’s just your base that isn’t desirable for the slaying of your ideals and nothing will change it. The surgery you already got, especially with the midface lift, and then multiple other procedures mixed in one for an almond eye surgery. Mixed with you staying in shape, trying to keep your hair, researching strategies on how to slay, moneymaxxing etc.

^^^ There comes a time and a place, where enough is enough and it’s over. And after almond eye surgery if things weren’t going that well, that would be the place. Plus after the jaw implant, you’ve negated a lot of what you’d benefit from in the first place with BSSO (well not directly but aesthetically and functionally) but I don’t even want to get into that or trigger you because that’s not what it’s about.

 

[IronMike]

I understand getting sleeves like a typical low class dog, but tattooing your face???

People will honestly do anything for pussy

 

[SurgerySoon]

Well I suggested the LTR option because you said that you don’t want to spend time alone watching TV or doing mindless shit alone. So I said if you had a girlfriend you could more positively supplicate your time with her and at least you’d be getting sex and interacting with someone who thinks you’re attractive.

Also, what exactly is the goal then? Of all of this? What do you think happens when you wake up next to a girl in the morning, several girls over time? Or at a suite party, where everyone is going out for brunch the next morning together? Once you start to socially integrate (hopefully that happens for you) then you’ll get numbers, exchange a lot of text messages, do meet ups.

It’s very hard to slay often, with little/no contact with the girl before or afterwards. Not saying sexual encounters like that don’t happen, but when you’re vibing and having sex with a girl you find attractive - you might catch feelings and then not want to just let her go. That could screw you, considering your vows to yourself and considering the fact that she’s gonna eventually find someone and get married etc

You have to realize that you’re only going to get older. So if you possibly have the chance of procuring a decent looking girl who’s young for marriage it’s something you may want to consider as an option - considering the alternative is continuously trying to slay as you enter your 40’s which is exceedingly harder without lots of money.

I think your option sounds good of going out and wanting to enjoy yourself on Friday and Saturday nights. But if you were to choose that route + escorts in place of trying to slay a lot, then it makes no sense to continue the invasive looksmaxxing.

And no, if the almond eye surgery isn’t getting you where you want to go. You realize that it’s just your base that isn’t desirable for the slaying of your ideals and nothing will change it. The surgery you already got, especially with the midface lift, and then multiple other procedures mixed in one for an almond eye surgery. Mixed with you staying in shape, trying to keep your hair, researching strategies on how to slay, moneymaxxing etc.

^^^ There comes a time and a place, where enough is enough and it’s over. And after almond eye surgery if things weren’t going that well, that would be the place. Plus after the jaw implant, you’ve negated a lot of what you’d benefit from in the first place with BSSO (well not directly but aesthetically and functionally) but I don’t even want to get into that or trigger you because that’s not what it’s about.

To respond to your first point -- my original goal was to simply have ONS's with decently-attractive girls a few times a month and that's it. Since I'm not interested in relationships but am still sexually attracted to girls, that sort of arrangement would be ideal for fulfilling the lifestyle I'm after. I realize that I'm only getting older and that slaying (even if I did somehow start pulling it off) is going to be much more difficult in my 40's, and that's where the prospect of escortcelling becomes especially appealing. I wouldn't have to accept forcing myself to get married (an arrangement I have zero interest in) and could simply keep looking forward to doing what I want to do on a daily basis (outside of my career) while also being able to look forward to having sex with a young, attractive girl several times per month.

I have seen the lifestyles my classmates and coworkers who are already married are living, and I just know I don't want that for myself, just as much as I know I don't want to move to a third-world country. I could get more into this but I think you get the picture.

To respond to what you said about how it doesn't make sense to continue pursuing invasive looksmaxxing if I do decide to just go the escorts route -- that's where the point of me personally -- not just in the context of attracting girls -- being unsatisfied with my looks comes into play. Even if the rest of my life is spent working, doing whatever the hell I feel like doing during my free time, going to clubs/bars on weekends for fun with no expectations, and banging escorts a few times a month, I still want to be able to randomly look into a mirror (which I naturally am inclined to do many times per day) and be happy with how I look.

Also, since my financial situation is going to dramatically improve once I'm done with school in May, it won't be as much of a burden to pay for all these surgeries anymore. For example, I could pay for the eye surgeries by working a few overtime shifts here and there for a couple months. So even though it doesn't change the fact that the surgeries are still expensive as hell, paying for them won't pose a long-term threat to my financial well-being. It's also easy to justify paying for them whenever I hear from my coworkers and classmates who have kids talk about the $$ they're spending raising their kids -- $400/week on daycare, thousands on health insurance, diapers, food, clothes... the list goes on and on. Even after paying for almond eye surgery and possibly BSSO, I'll still be substantially ahead of them in a long-term financial sense.

If you don't mind, could you provide some details on what makes my base so unideal for slaying? I'm not asking you to because I think you're wrong; on the contrary, I agree with you and am just wondering if your reasons are the same as the ones I've noticed. To be specific, I think I have the wrong skull shape for slaying, slightly (though not severely) off facial ratios, thin lips, a top lip that doesn't project forward far enough, and an overall frame that is too small and not imposing enough.

BTW, I'm not sure if you're under the impression that I've already gotten the rest of the jaw implant put in by Dr. Y based on how you worded that part of your post, but just to clarify, I haven't actually undergone surgery to have it placed yet. I was planning on having it put in during my midface revision surgery. At the moment, the only surgery I've had done on my lower third has been the chin implant component of the jaw implant.

I get what you're saying about acknowledging that enough is enough at some point, but if my looks would improve even moderately so from getting BSSO, I will absolutely do it. It brings up kind of a curious point -- let's say that I get my midface implant revision, almond eye surgery, and BSSO, and all the surgeries are a collective success. However, let's say that I'm still not perceived by girls to be particularly attractive. At that point, what would be holding me back from still being attractive? It's like there's always going to be something "off" that prevents me from becoming highly attractive, and yet I can't quite seem to put my finger on what it actually is.

 

[SurgerySoon]

@KEy21 just wondering if you got a chance to read my most recent response to you in this thread above? Genuinely curious to hear what you have to say, esp in regards to what I remarked about my base being non-ideal

 

[wellthatsucks]

It’s a friendship/partnership with a mutual exchange of favors that benefits both parties. That’s how you make the best friendships.

Sorry but how are the best friendships formed from social contracts, which is also the basis of marriage? "I give you this and you give me that"...

 

[FatJattMofo]

If you tattoo your face you fucked up bad

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peak autism. what a chad

 

[Dogs]

this guy didn't need face tats anyways JFL all he needed was a sleeve MAX and could've got away with gymceling his neck ONLY. Also he already mogs most users here anyway

 

[Kade]

@KEy21 just wondering if you got a chance to read my most recent response to you in this thread above? Genuinely curious to hear what you have to say, esp in regards to what I remarked about my base being non-ideal

Everything else you mentioned about your base is a complete non-issue. Fix your eye area, if Taban does a solid job you will have no noticeable failos at all. I could see you (kind of) resembling Sebastian Stan if your eye surgery goes rlly well

 

[Deleted member 3270]

If you tattoo your face you fucked up bad

better become a rapper fren

 

[SurgerySoon]

Everything else you mentioned about your base is a complete non-issue. Fix your eye area, if Taban does a solid job you will have no noticeable failos at all. I could see you (kind of) resembling Sebastian Stan if your eye surgery goes rlly well

What makes my goals unrealistic/unachievable is the fact that I don't just want to get rid of failos - I want to create halos as well, which probably isn't possible given my base (unless double jaw surgery really can ascend me hard).

I looked up photos of Sebastian Stan (had never heard of him before). TBH, I would hope to end up with a better eye area than his after surgery but maybe that's being too optimistic. Have you seen the morph that was created for me in which my eye was altered to look dramatically different?

 

[KEy21]

What makes my goals unrealistic/unachievable is the fact that I don't just want to get rid of failos - I want to create halos as well, which probably isn't possible given my base (unless double jaw surgery really can ascend me hard).

I looked up photos of Sebastian Stan (had never heard of him before). TBH, I would hope to end up with a better eye area than his after surgery but maybe that's being too optimistic. Have you seen the morph that was created for me in which my eye was altered to look dramatically different?

You’ll get 70% of the morph if everything goes above and beyond perfect.

Somewhere from 40% - 60% of the morph is most realistic. Give or take a little.

 

[SurgerySoon]

You’ll get 70% of the morph if everything goes above and beyond perfect.

Somewhere from 40% - 60% of the morph is most realistic. Give or take a little.

Taban said that he thinks he can get me pretty close (enough to constitute a very "significant change"), unless he's just trying to sell me on the procedures. Why don't you think I can get closer than maybe 60-70%?

Also, just out of curiosity, what is it about my overall base that will always hold me back from being truly good-looking, like in a slayer (or even slayer-lite) sense? Combination of general skull shape, recessed maxilla, height, small frame?

 

[KEy21]

Taban said that he thinks he can get me pretty close (enough to constitute a very "significant change"), unless he's just trying to sell me on the procedures. Why don't you think I can get closer than maybe 60-70%?

Also, just out of curiosity, what is it about my overall base that will always hold me back from being truly good-looking, like in a slayer (or even slayer-lite) sense? Combination of general skull shape, recessed maxilla, height, small frame?

Because if you don’t have optimal development, then it can’t be replicated to a perfect degree with surgery.

Bimax for cosmetic reasons is simply a guessing game. The procedures are mainly geared towards functional issues and there’s no real way to know what you would have looked like with optimal development ( which would have made you the most attractive given every scenario since birth )

If you end up looking good after doublejaw and you got your eye surgeries then you’ve pretty much maxed out your looks potential. Your skull shape still isn’t ideal regardless.

I know you won’t get 100% of the picture because you have a terminator photoshop look to the picture because it’s fake. It’s impossible to replicate it. Not only that, but him and my other surgeons told me the same thing before they operated on me. It’s impossible to predict or create a morph.

I’ve got news for you - When he’s doing these procedures on you, he’s not going to keep the picture next to you like trying to give you the same haircut as someone else. He’s probably not even going to remember what it looks like. The same thing with the Cavil cheek implant.

 

[Gosick]

Taban said that he thinks he can get me pretty close (enough to constitute a very "significant change"), unless he's just trying to sell me on the procedures. Why don't you think I can get closer than maybe 60-70%?

Also, just out of curiosity, what is it about my overall base that will always hold me back from being truly good-looking, like in a slayer (or even slayer-lite) sense? Combination of general skull shape, recessed maxilla, height, small frame?

dont you have to remove your jaw implants if you want to get a bsso?

 

[SurgerySoon]

Because if you don’t have optimal development, then it can’t be replicated to a perfect degree with surgery.

Bimax for cosmetic reasons is simply a guessing game. The procedures are mainly geared towards functional issues and there’s no real way to know what you would have looked like with optimal development ( which would have made you the most attractive given every scenario since birth )

If you end up looking good after doublejaw and you got your eye surgeries then you’ve pretty much maxed out your looks potential. Your skull shape still isn’t ideal regardless.

That's what I figured (regarding the skull shape not being ideal). What actually is an ideal skull shape? Most of the guys I've seen who do strike me as natural slayer types based on simply seeing them for the very first time seem to all have these compact, more square-shaped skulls (although they don't look blocky). Is that the main thing I'll be missing after I've maxed out everything else via eye surgery, doublejaw, midface implant revision, and possibly jaw implant?

dont you have to remove your jaw implants if you want to get a bsso?

I don't have the jaw implant in yet (just the chin part)