Literally the best guide for us to ascend no blue pilled shit blue pillers fuck of honestly.

[reptiles]

Lefort 4 only works in theory
In reality it doesnt

What makes a good maxilla its projection, but also how much its projected forward in comparison to other bones.

If the surgeon moves the maxilla and whole cranium forward in the same proportion, the patient will just have more horizontal growth but still a shit looking maxilla

Fuck

Astronaut IQ. Thanks for the post. Still i´ll hate women after my surgerys.

I already do

 

[SurgerySoon]

Very high IQ, I appreciate the time and effort you spent researching and writing all this. At this point I'm trying to figure out if I want to have bimax surgery to get more forward growth or if I'd get enough aesthetic benefit from paranasal/premaxillary implants to simulate what a conservative bimax might look like (minus the benefit of a more forward upper lip position).

 

[reptiles]

Very high IQ, I appreciate the time and effort you spent researching and writing all this. At this point I'm trying to figure out if I want to have bimax surgery to get more forward growth or if I'd get enough aesthetic benefit from paranasal/premaxillary implants to simulate what a conservative bimax might look like (minus the benefit of a more forward upper lip position).

Dude i've seen your side you have a really sexy side profile for an old cel you could ascend with super bimax

 

[Xander578]

Great thread, read every single word

 

[reptiles]

Great thread, read every single word

Any improvements to add ?

Cope thread. This alone will ascend anyone for zero cost.

Inceltears was right fuck

 

[SurgerySoon]

Dude i've seen your side you have a really sexy side profile for an old cel you could ascend with super bimax

Thnx, it's just a matter of determining whether the $$ cost and recovery would be worth it or not. The thing is, I want to go back to the surgeon who did my cheek implants and get the rest of my custom wraparound jaw implant placed. For only a few thousand $ more, I could get paranasal & premaxillary implants placed, which would give me like 50-60% of the aesthetic improvement I'd get from bimax (according to Surgerymax over on the other forum).

 

[Xander578]

Any improvements to add ?

Nothing to add, this basically morphs ur entire face jfl

 

[Deleted member 5634]

if u have sub .43 es ratio MSE can literally decend you 2 psl u so take xrays to ensure your zygomatic arch isnt straight before proceeding

Mine is 0.46 does MSE changes it too much?

 

[Deleted member 3962]

Mine is 0.46 does MSE changes it too much?

ur fine

 

[Xander578]

I will sell my soul to any surgeon who is willing to perform all this on me

 

[StolenDays]

@betamanlet why do you troll this innocent curry

 

[reptiles]

Nothing to add, this basically morphs ur entire face jfl

Lmao

Nothing to add, this basically morphs ur entire face jfl

Indeed

Thnx, it's just a matter of determining whether the $$ cost and recovery would be worth it or not. The thing is, I want to go back to the surgeon who did my cheek implants and get the rest of my custom wraparound jaw implant placed. For only a few thousand $ more, I could get paranasal & premaxillary implants placed, which would give me like 50-60% of the aesthetic improvement I'd get from bimax (according to Surgerymax over on the other forum).

That to could work i'm not the best for advice

 

[SurgerySoon]

That to could work i'm not the best for advice

Surgerymax on the other looksmaxxing forum created a morph of one of my photos where he tried to simulate what the results of paranasal and premaxillary implants might look like. The first photo is the unedited photo, and the second one is the morph:



The only thing I don't like about it is that the premaxillary augmentation (top of philtrum just under the nose) looks like it's a bit too much; otherwise, I think it's a decent improvement overall. It's obviously not as dramatic of an improvement as I'd get from actual LF1, although I'm not sure if the additional anterior projection I'd get from legit bimax would be worth the invasiveness and recovery.

What do you think? @reptiles @Golden Glass @Gosick

 

[Gosick]

Surgerymax on the other looksmaxxing forum created a morph of one of my photos where he tried to simulate what the results of paranasal and premaxillary implants might look like. The first photo is the unedited photo, and the second one is the morph:



The only thing I don't like about it is that the premaxillary augmentation (top of philtrum just under the nose) looks like it's a bit too much; otherwise, I think it's a decent improvement overall. It's obviously not as dramatic of an improvement as I'd get from actual LF1, although I'm not sure if the additional anterior projection I'd get from legit bimax would be worth the invasiveness and recovery.

What do you think? @reptiles @Golden Glass @Gosick

It looks sort of uncanny without your jaws moved foward IMO, The change isnt really that notiacble, but you do look better in the after nonetheless

I doubt you will ever get bimax so theres no point looking into it further, you would need to spend a ton of money on it for optimal results with a well renowed surgeon. A regular surgeon that charges cheap will likely not give you optimal projection. Bimax in generl is pretty overrated unless your severly recessed. I wouldnt expect magic to happen from it but there is a possibility that it can "ascend" if done excellently you but I wouldnt get my hopes up. Theres a reason you dont see ppl with a "midly" recessed maxilla or a maxilla that looks like yours heavily ascend from a bimax even if they were able to get it all.

I know you dont want to hear this bro, but those extra 2mm projection from those malar implants your getting revised will likely not improve your dating life at all. Essentially your spending 15k to feel better about yourself which i guess is worth it but it would be better if you put that money toward eye surgery which will improve your dating life but it wont make you slayer of course.

 

[Deleted member 3962]

Surgerymax on the other looksmaxxing forum created a morph of one of my photos where he tried to simulate what the results of paranasal and premaxillary implants might look like. The first photo is the unedited photo, and the second one is the morph:



The only thing I don't like about it is that the premaxillary augmentation (top of philtrum just under the nose) looks like it's a bit too much; otherwise, I think it's a decent improvement overall. It's obviously not as dramatic of an improvement as I'd get from actual LF1, although I'm not sure if the additional anterior projection I'd get from legit bimax would be worth the invasiveness and recovery.

What do you think? @reptiles @Golden Glass @Gosick

Its +0.1psl and not worth the money. You require a bimax for enough change to improve your PSL enough to the point where its actually worth it.

Your profile is the last thing you should be worrying about by the way -- I made this morph of you here a while back:

While this is not completely achievable, attaining an eye area even somewhat close to that ^ will boost your PSL way more than some shitty paranasal implant. I suggest visiting taban, coloringmaxxing in the meantime.

 

[reptiles]

Its +0.1psl and not worth the money. You require a bimax for enough change to improve your PSL enough to the point where its actually worth it.

Your profile is the last thing you should be worrying about by the way -- I made this morph of you here a while back:
View attachment 328580
While this is not completely achievable, attaining an eye area even somewhat close to that ^ will boost your PSL way more than some shitty paranasal implant. I suggest visiting taban, coloringmaxxing in the meantime.

Your opinions are always high iq ngl

 

[Deleted member 3962]

It looks sort of uncanny without your jaws moved foward IMO, The change isnt really that notiacble, but you do look better in the after nonetheless

I doubt you will ever get bimax so theres no point looking into it further, you would need to spend a ton of money on it for optimal results with a well renowed surgeon. A regular surgeon that charges cheap will likely not give you optimal projection. Bimax in generl is pretty overrated unless your severly recessed. I wouldnt expect magic to happen from it but there is a possibility that it can "ascend" if done excellently you but I wouldnt get my hopes up. Theres a reason you dont see ppl with a "midly" recessed maxilla or a maxilla that looks like yours heavily ascend from a bimax even if they were able to get it all.

I know you dont want to hear this bro, but those extra 2mm projection from those malar implants your getting revised will likely not improve your dating life at all. Essentially your spending 15k to feel better about yourself which i guess is worth it but it would be better if you put that money toward eye surgery which will improve your dating life but it wont make you slayer of course.

My buddy got 10mm on both jaws last summer for his sleep apnea from a random bluepilled local surgeon for "cheap" and ascended from 4.5psl to 6psl irl in motion

Bimax is a widely practiced procedure, you dont need to see a specialist for it unless you are modifying it with ccw rotation or high cuts.

 

[Chadelite]

1 Before all this start 1 Thing that is adamant you all do is get your body fat down to at least i'd say 10/8 percent body fat before starting all this.

2 What i then suggest doing is doing a chin wing osteotomy (increases ramus length).

View attachment 327573


3 I would then for gonial angle change i would do super bimax what would it realistically look like ?????????????????

View attachment 327585



Note this is with 33 mm only this is not testing the full limits of this.
Here is what super bimax is note in this morph it's only a lefort 1 not a 2

BIMAX=23 MM OF BONE PROJECTION.
GENIO=12 MM.
BSSO=11 JAW ADVANCEMENT.
CCW=2/3DEGREES.
LEFORT 2=CCW OF THE ENTIRE NOSE REASON ROTATING IT UPWARDS AND FORWARDS/OR LEFORT 1 REGION.
IMDO=16.5 MM OF LOWER JAW PROJECTION.
Distraction osteogensis=22 mm on maxilla jaw and ramus.

The actual limit equals 39.5mm this is only with 33 mm and a lefort 1 Osteotomy with a ccw. I myself am not getting a lefort 2 with a ccw rotation cause i'm not risking it @Fuk showed it's to dangerous he also said with implants you could simulate a lefort 2 Osteotomy i hope he's right.I also didn't add any ramus lengthening in the morph.

So overall with super bimax on the lower jaw your looking at 61.5 mm on the lower jaw for the upper jaw you don't get the genio or imdo lengthening so 61.5-16.6-12=33mm of upper jaw lengthening.

So 61.5-33=28.5mm of jaw discrepancy.


View attachment 327618

Le Fort II fractures are associated with death: a comparison of simple and complex midface fractures - PubMed

Le Fort II fractures are associated with increased mortality. Furthermore, Le Fort II and III fractures are associated with serious intracranial injury, even in the absence of alterations in consciousness. These patients should be monitored with heightened vigilance and followed up closely...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

4. Okay so from above your left with 28.5 mm of jaw discrepancy.So how do we fix this issue ?????????????????? your probably left here answering worry not i'm here to help you ascend after all.

Well their is a face pulling thing called A Bamp Were looking at at 6 mm of upper jaw advancement a year.Know do simple math 28.5mm/6mm=4.75 years so we will round up to 5.

So with this device your looking at fixing the massive under bite that is caused by super bimax.


View attachment 327662


This is what it looks like so after all this you should have fixed the jaw discrepancies.



5 After you have gotten all this you should have gotten roughly 61.5 mm of forward growth what does this look like ??????????????? well some thing as similar as this probably a little bit more recessed compared to this morph but not by much.


View attachment 327667


6 Okay so we've fixed your side jaw's we have given your side profile more than enough forward growth required to ascend what's next you say ?????????????

Good question we haven't touched on the lateral view of the face.


This is where mse comes in.


View attachment 327675


@Elias is the source for this btw he said the affects the following.


View attachment 327680
(note ipd change is minimal.)


To see this in motion


View attachment 327681


Or a even better pic would be from @Golden Glass.



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7 know with mse your looking at 24 mm within 12 months let that sink in know lets so your still a short skulled cuck what else could be done ??????????


Here is a revolutionary thing made by @Surgerymax what if i told you that you could increase the lateral length of your orbitals ????


View attachment 327718

Incase your having trouble like visualizing what this looks like I will show you.


View attachment 327722


You get the illusion of a much wider skull combine this with chin wing+mse+imdo (gives 11 percent increase in bigonial) for a wider lower 3rd and a more dom skull.


Also 1 more thing how many MM Increases are we looking at here ????????????? well According to him up to 15mm.


View attachment 327724



8 Okay know you have wider orbitals and and a wider jaw what else can be done for the front laterally at-least ? a side wing osteomy.



View attachment 327735



View attachment 327737


Combine this with IMDO+MSE+CHIN For a really long bigonial width.


What would it theoretically look like ?.


View attachment 327743


As you can see it gives the a very harmonious face we just need 1 more thing for this full transformation which i will show on step 9.


Step 9.

Okay so we have a very wide bigonial we have a good mid mandible what is missing from the lateral view ? width not to worry i have the MSE of the lower jaw introducing MSDO

msdo-mandibular-symphyseal-distraction-osteogenesis=msdo

View attachment 327758


This should help get the theoretical picture from step 8.


10 Know lets say you had a really shit gonial angle and you wanted lets say 7 to 8 degrees what could be done ?????????????????????? don't worry I'm here to help again although note it has a weakness that being you get a shorter mandible but the upside is from this you get 7/8 degrees CCW with bimax you get 2 Combine for a 9 degree gonial angle change.

So what is this surgery called ? well it's called IVRO or the long name Intraoral Vertical Ramus Osteotomy.




By @Crowley


View attachment 327780


Know if we remember from the super bimax you get a 28.5 mm jaw discrepancy in the upper jaw I don't know how much IVRO cuts back the mandible back by but i will say 5/6 mm So since we already had a 28.5 mm jaw discrepancy in the upper jaw know if we simple take away we get 28.5-6=22.5 Your left with less jaw discrepancy and since you combined it with bimax you get 9 degrees of ccw rotation.


Know my boy @PubertyMaxxer wanted 18 degrees of ccw rotation from what i remember don't worry i'm here to help with that as well since ivro gives 7/8 degrees and we already got 9 degrees from doing it the first time you simple add 9+8=17 degrees of ccw rotation you could probably modify it to do 1 more degree to get your 18 degrees you were desiring.


View attachment 327800



What i am essentially saying is your transformation is possible.


11. Okay lets even after all this your still lacking bone what else can you do ???????????????????


A full facial implant by eppley.

Total Face Implants | Eppley Custom Facial Implants

Looking to reshape your entire face? Total face implants refer to a combination of several custom implants that work in unison to recontour your face.

www.eppleycustomfacialimplants.com

This should quite literally move your entire face forward.


12. Know lets say you have a lips what's the solution ???????????????????

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Bimax plus lip fallioing.

13 Okay for the meme's i'mma show you lefort 4 or monobloc.

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14. For even bigger memes lefort 5.


View attachment 327893



Called Barretian cranial makeover (BCM) pioneered by @betamanlet





15. Here is the very last thing lets say after all this your face still has fat know what ????????????? simple bucca fat removal.



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@Dante1 it's a shame bro your banned you didn't get to appreciate my autism.


Okay so know that all this is done let me show you truly god tier ascensions with bimax.


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This my friend was done by @https://mosasurgery.com/procedures/face/jaw-surgery/


Okay let's try another 1.


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This was done by @https://mosasurgery.com/procedures/face/jaw-surgery/



@Sergio-OMS @surgery @Surgerymax Your thoughts and how much do you estimate all this costing.

Also do you think the lefort 5 is theoretically possible ??????????????



This thread was for my buddies.

@Xander578 @PubertyMaxxer @Fuk @JuicyAnimeTitties @Hopelessmofoker @Kingkellz @AleksVs


Know @Kingkellz you said could i pass a buzz cut test this thread will make sure I can.


@Xander578 You wanted the ultimate guide so here it is.

@Fuk here is your plan on steroids.

@PubertyMaxxer I can make dreams come true bro.

@Hopelessmofoker Here is ultra tera bimax.

@AleksVs This should help us ascend to chad hood status.

@kms_currycell here you go buddy boyo.

TLDR what is all these surgeries in a nut shell.

For Side view.


Superbimax+chin wing+side wing+ivro+lipofillur.



For lateral view.

MSDO+MSE+IMDO+SIDEWING+SBOE+bucca fat removal.


Here is the ultimate chad maker they say Chad and incel is cm's of skull here is the cm's i have compiled what is needed for you to ascend.

And people like @Salludon will effortlessly mog you without paying a single cent

 

[reptiles]

My buddy got 10mm on both jaws last summer for his sleep apnea from a random bluepilled local surgeon for "cheap" and ascended from 4.5psl to 6psl irl in motion

Bimax is a widely practiced procedure, you dont need to see a specialist for it unless you are modifying it with ccw rotation or high cuts.

Wow 1.5 psl that's a huge fucking amount amount.

 

[PubertyMaxxer]

Surgerymax on the other looksmaxxing forum created a morph of one of my photos where he tried to simulate what the results of paranasal and premaxillary implants might look like. The first photo is the unedited photo, and the second one is the morph:



The only thing I don't like about it is that the premaxillary augmentation (top of philtrum just under the nose) looks like it's a bit too much; otherwise, I think it's a decent improvement overall. It's obviously not as dramatic of an improvement as I'd get from actual LF1, although I'm not sure if the additional anterior projection I'd get from legit bimax would be worth the invasiveness and recovery.

What do you think? @reptiles @Golden Glass @Gosick

Yiur nasalobial Angle is death tier even worse with paranasal implant

 

[Deleted member 3962]

Wow 1.5 psl that's a huge fucking amount amount.

Bimax is the holy grail of looksmaxxing.

 

[reptiles]

And people like @Salludon will effortlessly mog you without paying a single cent

I mean he's a genetic elite he's not even technically a curry his genes are central asian he is a jatt after all so not really surprised you say he's a different race.

Yiur nasalobial Angle is death tier even worse with paranasal implant

But his jaw is really good from what i've seen

Bimax is the holy grail of looksmaxxing.

Indeed i would combine it with lipo fillers for maximal results.

You've seen my under bite this girl had similar issues.

After that i would get side wing for a more projecting mid mandible.

After this i could get msdo.

For chin breadth over all i think it's definitely possible for me to ascend after this i have a really bad base that being said these surgeries seem to be able to fix that.

 

[SurgerySoon]

It looks sort of uncanny without your jaws moved foward IMO, The change isnt really that notiacble, but you do look better in the after nonetheless

I doubt you will ever get bimax so theres no point looking into it further, you would need to spend a ton of money on it for optimal results with a well renowed surgeon. A regular surgeon that charges cheap will likely not give you optimal projection. Bimax in generl is pretty overrated unless your severly recessed. I wouldnt expect magic to happen from it but there is a possibility that it can "ascend" if done excellently you but I wouldnt get my hopes up. Theres a reason you dont see ppl with a "midly" recessed maxilla or a maxilla that looks like yours heavily ascend from a bimax even if they were able to get it all.

I know you dont want to hear this bro, but those extra 2mm projection from those malar implants your getting revised will likely not improve your dating life at all. Essentially your spending 15k to feel better about yourself which i guess is worth it but it would be better if you put that money toward eye surgery which will improve your dating life but it wont make you slayer of course.

To be honest, I'm not even expecting to improve my dating life at this point anymore. I just want to be completely happy with the way I look for once and then will probably just LDAR or go through the motions for however long I'm able to cope for until I end up roping. Until I get to that point, all I really care about is making enough money to basically do whatever the hell I want, go out and party and shit, and bang an escort every once in a while. I don't have any illusions about having the potential to develop any sort of appeal anymore to attractive girls. Just totally beyond that at this point.

One of the reasons I'm trying to decide on whether or not to get bimax is because I want to know whether or not I should go ahead and get the rest of my wraparound jaw implant put in before Dr. Y retires. If I end up doing bimax, then I'll need to have another wraparound jaw implant designed after I've healed up from bimax surgery. But if I'm not going to do bimax, then I might as well go ahead and get the rest of the wraparound jaw implant put in. BTW, Dr. Y said he could put in the rest of my jaw implant and do all 3 eye area procedures for $20k. Still not sure if it's worth risking having eye surgery done by someone that old, LOL. Then again, one of the best surgeons in the southeast for orbital decompression is in his 70's, so who the fuck knows.

BTW, so you don't think Andreishchev would give me 8-10 mm of advancement? If there aren't any surgeons out there who will give me enough advancement to make a noticeable difference, then it would be a waste of time and money and the risk of possibly ending up with a longer midface.

Its +0.1psl and not worth the money. You require a bimax for enough change to improve your PSL enough to the point where its actually worth it.

Your profile is the last thing you should be worrying about by the way -- I made this morph of you here a while back:
View attachment 328580
While this is not completely achievable, attaining an eye area even somewhat close to that ^ will boost your PSL way more than some shitty paranasal implant. I suggest visiting taban, coloringmaxxing in the meantime.

So you made that morph? Great job. Do you have a link to the thread where you originally posted it? Just curious to read ppl's comments on it.

So you do think bimax would be worth it if I can find a surgeon who would be willing to give me a solid amount of advancement (8-10 mm)?

Also, I noticed in the morph that you made my midface shorter. That would require getting CCW with the bimax right? And CCW would also be necessary to avoid getting the "chimp mouth" look, right?

I was also looking into getting a lip lift to shorten my philtrum, since that seems to be the chief culprit that makes my midface look too long. I'm assuming bimax + lip lift would be the holy grail for improving my PSL rating (besides eye area surgeries), but I'm wondering how much improvement I'd get from lip lift alone.

BTW, the main reason I had considered paranasal implants is because I was planning on going back to my original implant surgeon to have the rest of my wraparound jaw implant placed in the event that I don't get bimax, so it would only cost a little extra money to get paranasal/premaxillary implants put in during the same surgery. Still might not be worth it though. These nasolabial folds are just getting on my nerves.

 

[reptiles]

Cope thread. This alone will ascend anyone for zero cost.

 

[SurgerySoon]

Yiur nasalobial Angle is death tier even worse with paranasal implant

That's just one of the reasons why I want bimax

 

[Dutcher]

Or literally just use custom implants and be done

 

[A4ROGANT]

N

1 Before all this start 1 Thing that is adamant you all do is get your body fat down to at least i'd say 10/8 percent body fat before starting all this.

2 What i then suggest doing is doing a chin wing osteotomy (increases ramus length).

View attachment 327573


3 I would then for gonial angle change i would do super bimax what would it realistically look like ?????????????????

View attachment 327585



Note this is with 33 mm only this is not testing the full limits of this.
Here is what super bimax is note in this morph it's only a lefort 1 not a 2

BIMAX=23 MM OF BONE PROJECTION.
GENIO=12 MM.
BSSO=11 JAW ADVANCEMENT.
CCW=2/3DEGREES.
LEFORT 2=CCW OF THE ENTIRE NOSE REASON ROTATING IT UPWARDS AND FORWARDS/OR LEFORT 1 REGION.
IMDO=16.5 MM OF LOWER JAW PROJECTION.
Distraction osteogensis=22 mm on maxilla jaw and ramus.

The actual limit equals 39.5mm this is only with 33 mm and a lefort 1 Osteotomy with a ccw. I myself am not getting a lefort 2 with a ccw rotation cause i'm not risking it @Fuk showed it's to dangerous he also said with implants you could simulate a lefort 2 Osteotomy i hope he's right.I also didn't add any ramus lengthening in the morph.

So overall with super bimax on the lower jaw your looking at 61.5 mm on the lower jaw for the upper jaw you don't get the genio or imdo lengthening so 61.5-16.6-12=33mm of upper jaw lengthening.

So 61.5-33=28.5mm of jaw discrepancy.


View attachment 327618

Le Fort II fractures are associated with death: a comparison of simple and complex midface fractures - PubMed

Le Fort II fractures are associated with increased mortality. Furthermore, Le Fort II and III fractures are associated with serious intracranial injury, even in the absence of alterations in consciousness. These patients should be monitored with heightened vigilance and followed up closely...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

4. Okay so from above your left with 28.5 mm of jaw discrepancy.So how do we fix this issue ?????????????????? your probably left here answering worry not i'm here to help you ascend after all.

Well their is a face pulling thing called A Bamp Were looking at at 6 mm of upper jaw advancement a year.Know do simple math 28.5mm/6mm=4.75 years so we will round up to 5.

So with this device your looking at fixing the massive under bite that is caused by super bimax.


View attachment 327662


This is what it looks like so after all this you should have fixed the jaw discrepancies.



5 After you have gotten all this you should have gotten roughly 61.5 mm of forward growth what does this look like ??????????????? well some thing as similar as this probably a little bit more recessed compared to this morph but not by much.


View attachment 327667


6 Okay so we've fixed your side jaw's we have given your side profile more than enough forward growth required to ascend what's next you say ?????????????

Good question we haven't touched on the lateral view of the face.


This is where mse comes in.


View attachment 327675


@Elias is the source for this btw he said the affects the following.


View attachment 327680
(note ipd change is minimal.)


To see this in motion


View attachment 327681


Or a even better pic would be from @Golden Glass.



View attachment 327690





























































7 know with mse your looking at 24 mm within 12 months let that sink in know lets so your still a short skulled cuck what else could be done ??????????


Here is a revolutionary thing made by @Surgerymax what if i told you that you could increase the lateral length of your orbitals ????


View attachment 327718

Incase your having trouble like visualizing what this looks like I will show you.


View attachment 327722


You get the illusion of a much wider skull combine this with chin wing+mse+imdo (gives 11 percent increase in bigonial) for a wider lower 3rd and a more dom skull.


Also 1 more thing how many MM Increases are we looking at here ????????????? well According to him up to 15mm.


View attachment 327724



8 Okay know you have wider orbitals and and a wider jaw what else can be done for the front laterally at-least ? a side wing osteomy.



View attachment 327735



View attachment 327737


Combine this with IMDO+MSE+CHIN For a really long bigonial width.


What would it theoretically look like ?.


View attachment 327743


As you can see it gives the a very harmonious face we just need 1 more thing for this full transformation which i will show on step 9.


Step 9.

Okay so we have a very wide bigonial we have a good mid mandible what is missing from the lateral view ? width not to worry i have the MSE of the lower jaw introducing MSDO

msdo-mandibular-symphyseal-distraction-osteogenesis=msdo

View attachment 327758


This should help get the theoretical picture from step 8.


10 Know lets say you had a really shit gonial angle and you wanted lets say 7 to 8 degrees what could be done ?????????????????????? don't worry I'm here to help again although note it has a weakness that being you get a shorter mandible but the upside is from this you get 7/8 degrees CCW with bimax you get 2 Combine for a 9 degree gonial angle change.

So what is this surgery called ? well it's called IVRO or the long name Intraoral Vertical Ramus Osteotomy.




By @Crowley


View attachment 327780


Know if we remember from the super bimax you get a 28.5 mm jaw discrepancy in the upper jaw I don't know how much IVRO cuts back the mandible back by but i will say 5/6 mm So since we already had a 28.5 mm jaw discrepancy in the upper jaw know if we simple take away we get 28.5-6=22.5 Your left with less jaw discrepancy and since you combined it with bimax you get 9 degrees of ccw rotation.


Know my boy @PubertyMaxxer wanted 18 degrees of ccw rotation from what i remember don't worry i'm here to help with that as well since ivro gives 7/8 degrees and we already got 9 degrees from doing it the first time you simple add 9+8=17 degrees of ccw rotation you could probably modify it to do 1 more degree to get your 18 degrees you were desiring.


View attachment 327800



What i am essentially saying is your transformation is possible.


11. Okay lets even after all this your still lacking bone what else can you do ???????????????????


A full facial implant by eppley.

Total Face Implants | Eppley Custom Facial Implants

Looking to reshape your entire face? Total face implants refer to a combination of several custom implants that work in unison to recontour your face.

www.eppleycustomfacialimplants.com

This should quite literally move your entire face forward.


12. Know lets say you have a lips what's the solution ???????????????????

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Bimax plus lip fallioing.

13 Okay for the meme's i'mma show you lefort 4 or monobloc.

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14. For even bigger memes lefort 5.


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Called Barretian cranial makeover (BCM) pioneered by @betamanlet





15. Here is the very last thing lets say after all this your face still has fat know what ????????????? simple bucca fat removal.



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@Dante1 it's a shame bro your banned you didn't get to appreciate my autism.


Okay so know that all this is done let me show you truly god tier ascensions with bimax.


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This my friend was done by @https://mosasurgery.com/procedures/face/jaw-surgery/


Okay let's try another 1.


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This was done by @https://mosasurgery.com/procedures/face/jaw-surgery/



@Sergio-OMS @surgery @Surgerymax Your thoughts and how much do you estimate all this costing.

Also do you think the lefort 5 is theoretically possible ??????????????



This thread was for my buddies.

@Xander578 @PubertyMaxxer @Fuk @JuicyAnimeTitties @Hopelessmofoker @Kingkellz @AleksVs


Know @Kingkellz you said could i pass a buzz cut test this thread will make sure I can.


@Xander578 You wanted the ultimate guide so here it is.

@Fuk here is your plan on steroids.

@PubertyMaxxer I can make dreams come true bro.

@Hopelessmofoker Here is ultra tera bimax.

@AleksVs This should help us ascend to chad hood status.

@kms_currycell here you go buddy boyo.

TLDR what is all these surgeries in a nut shell.

For Side view.


Superbimax+chin wing+side wing+ivro+lipofillur.



For lateral view.

MSDO+MSE+IMDO+SIDEWING+SBOE+bucca fat removal.


Here is the ultimate chad maker they say Chad and incel is cm's of skull here is the cm's i have compiled what is needed for you to ascend.

Not a single person here will do shit about their looks. Keep crying for readymade chads like me.

 

[reptiles]

N

Not a single person here will do shit about their looks. Keep crying for readymade chads like me.

I'm an exception not the rule i forge my own destiny

 

[A4ROGANT]

I'm an exception not the rule i forge my own destiny

Have you done a single looksmax till now?

btw @ArvidGustavsson mogs you

 

[reptiles]

Have you done a single looksmax till now?

btw @ArvidGustavsson mogs you

I've done a few

 

[A4ROGANT]

I've done a few

ok fair enough chad

 

[reptiles]

ok fair enough chad

It's looks or die trying tbqh

 

[A4ROGANT]

It's looks or die trying tbqh

how much psl points can someone ascend from their base state

 

[reptiles]

how much psl points can someone ascend from their base state

I think with 4 surgeries combined 2.5 psl my base is 2 right know.


With the surgeries at-least 4.5 to get to 5 psl i was planning on doing some more things.


Indeed i would combine it with lipo fillers for maximal results.

You've seen my under bite this girl had similar issues.

After that i would get side wing for a more projecting mid mandible.

After this i could get msdo.

With some under eye fillers and orbital rim implants i would 5.5 psl is possible also note i'm doing mse with all this in mind.

 

[A4ROGANT]

I think with 4 surgeries combined 2.5 psl my base is 2 right know.


With the surgeries at-least 4.5 to get to 5 psl i was planning on doing some more things.


Indeed i would combine it with lipo fillers for maximal results.

You've seen my under bite this girl had similar issues.

After that i would get side wing for a more projecting mid mandible.

After this i could get msdo.

With some under eye fillers and orbital rim implants i would 5.5 psl is possible also note i'm doing mse with all this in mind.

No I don't know what you look like, but isn't 2 PSL deformed/ trucel tier?

 

[reptiles]

No I don't know what you look like, but isn't 2 PSL deformed/ trucel tier?

Im partly deformed.

As you can see

 

[PubertyMaxxer]

No I don't know what you look like, but isn't 2 PSL deformed/ trucel tier?

No PSL1 is deformed or severly obese , they are as rare as psl7s
PSL 2 is noticably unattractive, reptiles fits here
PSL 3 is below average ArabIncel fits here

 

[reptiles]

No PSL1 is deformed or severly obese , they are as rare as psl7s
PSL 2 is noticably unattractive, reptiles fits here
PSL 3 is below average ArabIncel fits here

Dude that fucking roach @ArabIncel was bullying me for no fucking reason yesterday i told that fucking roach to hang himself literally i also saw that roach calling the psl system retarded meanwhile i accept it i'm subhuman and need to improve i know what i need.


With extreme hard maxing i could say i could get to 5.5 psl possible with extreme surgery.


I've seen the results i'mma make a thread on it after this.


Also i would say your 4 mainly cause your white and have good eyes if you weren't you would be a 2 tbqh that being said i think you could possible get a 6 6.5 psl.


I know defeatist cucks will be luck your base is just shit bro you'll never ascend the difference between chad and incel is skulls.

When i know how to change my skull and your probably to get to their.

 

[StuffedFrog]

1 Before all this start 1 Thing that is adamant you all do is get your body fat down to at least i'd say 10/8 percent body fat before starting all this.

2 What i then suggest doing is doing a chin wing osteotomy (increases ramus length).

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3 I would then for gonial angle change i would do super bimax what would it realistically look like ?????????????????

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Note this is with 33 mm only this is not testing the full limits of this.
Here is what super bimax is note in this morph it's only a lefort 1 not a 2

BIMAX=23 MM OF BONE PROJECTION.
GENIO=12 MM.
BSSO=11 JAW ADVANCEMENT.
CCW=2/3DEGREES.
LEFORT 2=CCW OF THE ENTIRE NOSE REASON ROTATING IT UPWARDS AND FORWARDS/OR LEFORT 1 REGION.
IMDO=16.5 MM OF LOWER JAW PROJECTION.
Distraction osteogensis=22 mm on maxilla jaw and ramus.

The actual limit equals 39.5mm this is only with 33 mm and a lefort 1 Osteotomy with a ccw. I myself am not getting a lefort 2 with a ccw rotation cause i'm not risking it @Fuk showed it's to dangerous he also said with implants you could simulate a lefort 2 Osteotomy i hope he's right.I also didn't add any ramus lengthening in the morph.

So overall with super bimax on the lower jaw your looking at 61.5 mm on the lower jaw for the upper jaw you don't get the genio or imdo lengthening so 61.5-16.6-12=33mm of upper jaw lengthening.

So 61.5-33=28.5mm of jaw discrepancy.


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Le Fort II fractures are associated with death: a comparison of simple and complex midface fractures - PubMed

Le Fort II fractures are associated with increased mortality. Furthermore, Le Fort II and III fractures are associated with serious intracranial injury, even in the absence of alterations in consciousness. These patients should be monitored with heightened vigilance and followed up closely...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

4. Okay so from above your left with 28.5 mm of jaw discrepancy.So how do we fix this issue ?????????????????? your probably left here answering worry not i'm here to help you ascend after all.

Well their is a face pulling thing called A Bamp Were looking at at 6 mm of upper jaw advancement a year.Know do simple math 28.5mm/6mm=4.75 years so we will round up to 5.

So with this device your looking at fixing the massive under bite that is caused by super bimax.


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This is what it looks like so after all this you should have fixed the jaw discrepancies.



5 After you have gotten all this you should have gotten roughly 61.5 mm of forward growth what does this look like ??????????????? well some thing as similar as this probably a little bit more recessed compared to this morph but not by much.


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6 Okay so we've fixed your side jaw's we have given your side profile more than enough forward growth required to ascend what's next you say ?????????????

Good question we haven't touched on the lateral view of the face.


This is where mse comes in.


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@Elias is the source for this btw he said the affects the following.


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(note ipd change is minimal.)


To see this in motion


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Or a even better pic would be from @Golden Glass.



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7 know with mse your looking at 24 mm within 12 months let that sink in know lets so your still a short skulled cuck what else could be done ??????????


Here is a revolutionary thing made by @Surgerymax what if i told you that you could increase the lateral length of your orbitals ????


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Incase your having trouble like visualizing what this looks like I will show you.


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You get the illusion of a much wider skull combine this with chin wing+mse+imdo (gives 11 percent increase in bigonial) for a wider lower 3rd and a more dom skull.


Also 1 more thing how many MM Increases are we looking at here ????????????? well According to him up to 15mm.


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8 Okay know you have wider orbitals and and a wider jaw what else can be done for the front laterally at-least ? a side wing osteomy.



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Combine this with IMDO+MSE+CHIN For a really long bigonial width.


What would it theoretically look like ?.


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As you can see it gives the a very harmonious face we just need 1 more thing for this full transformation which i will show on step 9.


Step 9.

Okay so we have a very wide bigonial we have a good mid mandible what is missing from the lateral view ? width not to worry i have the MSE of the lower jaw introducing MSDO

msdo-mandibular-symphyseal-distraction-osteogenesis=msdo

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This should help get the theoretical picture from step 8.


10 Know lets say you had a really shit gonial angle and you wanted lets say 7 to 8 degrees what could be done ?????????????????????? don't worry I'm here to help again although note it has a weakness that being you get a shorter mandible but the upside is from this you get 7/8 degrees CCW with bimax you get 2 Combine for a 9 degree gonial angle change.

So what is this surgery called ? well it's called IVRO or the long name Intraoral Vertical Ramus Osteotomy.




By @Crowley


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Know if we remember from the super bimax you get a 28.5 mm jaw discrepancy in the upper jaw I don't know how much IVRO cuts back the mandible back by but i will say 5/6 mm So since we already had a 28.5 mm jaw discrepancy in the upper jaw know if we simple take away we get 28.5-6=22.5 Your left with less jaw discrepancy and since you combined it with bimax you get 9 degrees of ccw rotation.


Know my boy @PubertyMaxxer wanted 18 degrees of ccw rotation from what i remember don't worry i'm here to help with that as well since ivro gives 7/8 degrees and we already got 9 degrees from doing it the first time you simple add 9+8=17 degrees of ccw rotation you could probably modify it to do 1 more degree to get your 18 degrees you were desiring.


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What i am essentially saying is your transformation is possible.


11. Okay lets even after all this your still lacking bone what else can you do ???????????????????


A full facial implant by eppley.

Total Face Implants | Eppley Custom Facial Implants

Looking to reshape your entire face? Total face implants refer to a combination of several custom implants that work in unison to recontour your face.

www.eppleycustomfacialimplants.com

This should quite literally move your entire face forward.


12. Know lets say you have a lips what's the solution ???????????????????

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Bimax plus lip fallioing.

13 Okay for the meme's i'mma show you lefort 4 or monobloc.

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14. For even bigger memes lefort 5.


View attachment 327893



Called Barretian cranial makeover (BCM) pioneered by @betamanlet





15. Here is the very last thing lets say after all this your face still has fat know what ????????????? simple bucca fat removal.



View attachment 327876

@Dante1 it's a shame bro your banned you didn't get to appreciate my autism.


Okay so know that all this is done let me show you truly god tier ascensions with bimax.


View attachment 327851


This my friend was done by @https://mosasurgery.com/procedures/face/jaw-surgery/


Okay let's try another 1.


View attachment 327854


This was done by @https://mosasurgery.com/procedures/face/jaw-surgery/



@Sergio-OMS @surgery @Surgerymax Your thoughts and how much do you estimate all this costing.

Also do you think the lefort 5 is theoretically possible ??????????????



This thread was for my buddies.

@Xander578 @PubertyMaxxer @Fuk @JuicyAnimeTitties @Hopelessmofoker @Kingkellz @AleksVs


Know @Kingkellz you said could i pass a buzz cut test this thread will make sure I can.


@Xander578 You wanted the ultimate guide so here it is.

@Fuk here is your plan on steroids.

@PubertyMaxxer I can make dreams come true bro.

@Hopelessmofoker Here is ultra tera bimax.

@AleksVs This should help us ascend to chad hood status.

@kms_currycell here you go buddy boyo.

TLDR what is all these surgeries in a nut shell.

For Side view.


Superbimax+chin wing+side wing+ivro+lipofillur.



For lateral view.

MSDO+MSE+IMDO+SIDEWING+SBOE+bucca fat removal.


Here is the ultimate chad maker they say Chad and incel is cm's of skull here is the cm's i have compiled what is needed for you to ascend.

Why isn't op giga chad then

 

[reptiles]

Why isn't op giga chad then

Cause i haven't took the surgeries also this won't make you into a chad it's possible but it's not guaranteed

 

[PubertyMaxxer]

Dude that fucking roach @ArabIncel was bullying me for no fucking reason yesterday i told that fucking roach to hang himself literally i also saw that roach calling the psl system retarded meanwhile i accept it i'm subhuman and need to improve i know what i need.


With extreme hard maxing i could say i could get to 5.5 psl possible with extreme surgery.


I've seen the results i'mma make a thread on it after this.


Also i would say your 4 mainly cause your white and have good eyes if you weren't you would be a 2 tbqh that being said i think you could possible get a 6 6.5 psl.


I know defeatist cucks will be luck your base is just shit bro you'll never ascend the difference between chad and incel is skulls.

When i know how to change my skull and your probably to get to their.

Lifefuel 4->6 is invisible to slayer

 

[reptiles]

Lifefuel 4->6 is invisible to slayer

Indeed you've seen my thread your transformation is possible i'll make a separate for you.

 

[PubertyMaxxer]

Indeed you've seen my thread your transformation is possible i'll make a separate for you.

Tag me when its done

 

[reptiles]

Tag me when its done

Okay

 

[Chico Chicowski]

 

[reptiles]

You like results like i had to track that shit down thankfully i found it

 

[Chico Chicowski]

You like results like i had to track that shit down thankfully i found it

imho you underestimate eyearea
as I agree with everything u posted but imho post lacks things like wolf eyes surgery, PFL lenghetning, Profesor Taban almond surgery direct browplasty+botox + nose
Not to mention about fillers and lowering hairline/beard transplant

 

[reptiles]

imho you underestimate eyearea
as I agree with everything u posted but imho post lacks things like wolf eyes surgery, PFL lenghetning, Profesor Taban almond surgery direct browplasty+botox + nose
Not to mention about fillers and lowering hairline/beard transplant

You can increase PFL Also eyes are a nice extension jaw's and maxilla is a requirement

 

[Soulrack]

Too much effort and money and too much room for error and risk

 

[reptiles]

Too much effort and money and too much room for error and risk

You don't need every single thing i myself am only getting 4 from here