Serious Philtrum length and Midface ratio

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Long philtrums are generally considered bad because people associate them with long midfaces, while it is true that an excessively long philtrum would result in a long midface, that is rarely the case.


In most cases long midfaces are caused by long nasal bridges and/or low interpupillary distances, e.g. Adam Driver and Marko Jarić.



As you can see their philtrums look good, they would not benefit from having shorter philtrums.

A philtrum slightly longer than average is ideal for males, the average male philtrum length is 15mm according to FaceBase database:

The reason for this is that long philtrums and short noses are high prenatal testosterone traits, while long noses and short philtrums are low prenatal testosterone traits as you can see below:



A short philtrum would result in a disproportionate long nose, you need a good nose to philtrum length ratio to look good:

Of course for a long philtrum to look good you still need to have a Philtrum:Chin ratio of at least 2 and a low gonial angle.



So basically what you need to have a compact midface is a short nose and a high interpupillary distance, philtrum length is almost irrelevant.

You can still have a good midface ratio with a long philtrum:


Now you might think that this only applies to DOM/Maesthetic guys and that prettyboys cant look good with a long philtrum, but thats not true, you can still look good with a long philtrum as a prettyboy:
 
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The reason for this is that long philtrums and short noses are high prenatal testosterone traits, while long noses and short philtrums are low prenatal testosterone traits as you can see below:

just because rich piana and thanos have long philtrums and it looks masculine doesn't mean it looks GOOD. it looks fucking ogre and doesn't look aesthetic.


ideal is compact midface AND short philtrum, like sean o pry and david gandy:
 
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this midface or it never began
 
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just because rich piana and thanos have long philtrums and it looks masculine doesn't mean it looks GOOD. it looks fucking ogre and doesn't look aesthetic.
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I said slightly above average, not super long philtrum.

ideal is compact midface AND short philtrum, like sean o pry and david gandy:
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Gandy philtrum is not short.

O'Pry short philtrum only looks good because he has a wide IPD.
 
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just because rich piana and thanos have long philtrums and it looks masculine doesn't mean it looks GOOD. it looks fucking ogre and doesn't look aesthetic.
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ideal is compact midface AND short philtrum, like sean o pry and david gandy:
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Same with big noses, it's considered a masculine feature since men have bigger noses cuz we have bigger muscles etc but it's still universally unattractive
 
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nose should be medium length and philtrum slightly longer than females. JFL thinking 10mm is the ideal for men it should be 13-15
 
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nose should be medium length and philtrum slightly longer than females. JFL thinking 10mm is the ideal for men it should be 13-15
13mm is the average philtrum length for females...

I personally think that for males it should be between 15 and 17mm.
 
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Which Matters more Philtrum length or Philtrum to Chin Ratio.
Philtrum length matters more, if you have a really long philtrum (20mm) it would still look bad even if you had a perfect Philtrum:Chin ratio, with a long philtrum you would need a comically huge chin to have a good Philtrum:Chin ratio.
 
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You cant be serious thinking this guy is attractive to females
Extreme long midfaced coper detected
He's one of the most famous prettyboys in my country
 
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Look at this subhuman, he should kill himself immediately, its over for him with that philtrum, right @looxmakser49?
 
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Extreme long midfaced coper detected
He's one of the most famous prettyboys in my country
Statusmaxxed, I've never denied compact midface theory but I see guys that mog him everyday
Look at this subhuman, he should kill himself immediately, its over for him with that philtrum, right @looxmakser49?
Stop cherrypicking he would look better with short philtrum
 
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Philtrum length matters more, if you have a really long philtrum (20mm) it would still look bad even if you had a perfect Philtrum:Chin ratio, with a long philtrum you would need a comically huge chin to have a good Philtrum:Chin ratio.
Mine is around 15-16mm last time I measured.
 
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A philtrum slightly longer than average is ideal for males, the average male philtrum length is 15mm according to FaceBase database:
The reason for this is that long philtrums and short noses are high prenatal testosterone traits, while long noses and short philtrums are low prenatal testosterone traits as you can see below:
jfl at this cope lmaoo
 
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But here they say it should 14-15mm 🤔
The average philtrum length is 15mm, so 15/16mm should be fine if you have a short nose and a good Philtrum:Chin ratio.
 
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Your beloved Francisco Lachowski has a philtrum length of 14mm retard.
did i ask faggot? does that matter? i didnt talk about his philtrum or anything
the only reason he can pull it off his because of his tall chin


a philtrum like this is still 500x better
 
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did i ask faggot? does that matter? i didnt talk about his philtrum or anything
the only reason he can pull it off his because of his tall chin
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a philtrum like this is still 500x better
opry doesnt even have a legit compact midface, his nose is long as hell and his ipd is wide

short philtrum and wide ipd are both low pren t traits whereas closer set eyes and short nose are high pren t


this is why fwhr is more accurate than midface ratio when it comes to measuring midface compactness
 
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opry doesnt even have a legit compact midface, his nose is long as hell and his ipd is wide

short philtrum and wide ipd are both low pren t traits whereas closer set eyes and short nose are high pren t


this is why fwhr is more accurate than midface ratio when it comes to measuring midface compactness

LMAOOO THIS COPE
 
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opry doesnt even have a legit compact midface, his nose is long as hell and his ipd is wide

short philtrum and wide ipd are both low pren t traits whereas closer set eyes and short nose are high pren t


this is why fwhr is more accurate than midface ratio when it comes to measuring midface compactness
this is the face of high prenatal testosterone:

short nose, long philtrum, average ipd
 
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this is the face of high prenatal testosterone:
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short nose, long philtrum, average ipd
no faggot
ipd has VERY little to do with prenatal t
neither does philtrum length jfl

yes look at this dude getting testosterone mogged by that 13 year old looking faggot in ur avi
 
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Yes, it does.


Thats exactly what i said on the OP, for a long philtrum to look good you need a good Philtrum:Chin ratio.
i didnt ask autist
youre randomly mentioning chico's philtrum, not only did i not ask but o'pry's is better
also u said the average philtrum length is 15mm, and that above average length is ideal, did you not?
in this forum it's agreed that a philtrum length of around 12-13mm is ideal
Chico's is 14mm, still below average length, is it not?
jfl
 
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You dumb fuck.
15.2mm is lenght of Chico philtrum
According to headsupdisplay's database is 14mm


Anyway if his philtrum is 15mm it is even better for me, it proves my point that 15mm philtrum or slightly above that is ideal for males.
 
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According to headsupdisplay's database is 14mm


Anyway if his philtrum is 15mm it is even better for me, it proves my point that 15mm philtrum or slightly above that is ideal for males.
15mm is ideal i was always saying that
Chico facial proportions are ideal

Also this lookism data isnt 100% accurate, there are some small errors.
 
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