Pretty good surgery results (from subhuman to human)

[RedPilledStemcel]

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Procedure: Chin/jaw implants (not wraparound I think)

Doctor: Dr. Paul Ruff (Washington D.C.)

Total Price: $10k (for reference Eppley's price is ~$15k)

Someone said I look like I'm working out.

some people comment on my haircut or say I look good with stubble

fucking normies gets me everytime

 

[goff2]

He had to do a Lefort 1 and a mandibular repositioning osteotomy, not that shit. The downward growth is even more evident in this way

 

[left2die]

Not bad but it looks off. Could just be your face from the side is rounder than others

 

[RedPilledStemcel]

Not bad but it looks off. Could just be your face from the side is rounder than others

It's not me. Face seems normalish, for angularity you need fillers. The guy said fillers are too expensive for him and I doubt he'd do them on his own.

He had to do a Lefort 1 and a mandibular repositioning osteotomy, not that shit. The downward growth is even more evident in this way

Doesn't really affect him IMO, although yeah he could benefit from jaw surgery. But I don't know if the improvement would be worth the price. He already looks pretty good. I read somewhere it's not possible to combine leforts with implants.

 

[Absi]

No bro he did this by putting his tongue in the roof of his mouth

 

[RedPilledStemcel]

No bro he did this by putting his tongue in the roof of his mouth

nah man I think it was myobraces

 

[Absi]

nah man I think it was myobraces

I believe cold showers did this to him

 

[fobos]

$10k is what it takes to be consider a human being

 

[RedPilledStemcel]

$10k is what it takes to be consider a human being

fixed title tbh

 

[SeiGun]

tbh his lower jaw still look weird after surgery
compare his forehead, philtrum and chin angle, it look deformed
the lower jaw is not forward enough+upper teeth need to be tilted more forward

 

[RedPilledStemcel]

tbh his lower jaw still look weird after surgery
compare his forehead, philtrum and chin angle, it look deformed
the lower jaw is not forward enough+upper teeth need to be tilted more forward

Yeah but for the price/recovery it's still good results. Of course for someone like him, jaw surgery would have been better.

upper teeth need to be tilted more forward

You mean his philtrum needs to be more concave. Forward tilted teeth gives you bimaxd protrusion which isugly

 

[Lumbersexual]

Decent results and definitely worth the money for him. Ideally the gonial angle would have been reduced but he is still much better off than before.

 

[SeiGun]

Yeah but for the price/recovery it's still good results. Of course for someone like him, jaw surgery would have been better.

You mean his philtrum needs to be more concave. Forward tilted teeth gives you bimaxd protrusion which isugly

compare his philtrum angle to his forehead, it just need a little bit less angle and then bring his jaw forward for proper bite
not a proper morph but something like this

 

[RedPilledStemcel]

compare his philtrum angle to his forehead, it just need a little bit less angle and then bring his jaw forward for proper bite
not a proper morph but something like this
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The latter could have been accomplished by changing the implant design. The former, perhaps a lip lift?

Decent results and definitely worth the money for him. Ideally the gonial angle would have been reduced but he is still much better off than before.

Eh isn't the low gonial angle a meme? He seems pretty close to 120 deg.

 

[dodt]

But I don't know if the improvement would be worth the price

Living as below 5psl male is the biggest expense you carry each second.

 

[RedPilledStemcel]

Living as below 5psl male is the biggest expense you carry each second.

Your profile is much better than this dude's btw

 

[dodt]

Your profile is much better than this dude's btw

I am slowly becoming a meme here. JFL @ me

 

[RedPilledStemcel]

I am slowly become a meme here. JFL @ me

Just me....

 

[Legitcel]

Omg what an ascension!!!

 

[buflek]

wait this guy did surgery? i'm 99% sure i saw him on the-great-work before claiming he got these results from mewing

 

[Coping]

Made chin too long vertically tbh good result tho

 

[Dude420]

Still has a shit compromised airway, moving the bones is much better in every way possible.

 

[RedPilledStemcel]

wait this guy did surgery? i'm 99% sure i saw him on the-great-work before claiming he got these results from mewing

Someone probably used his photos. JFL @ mewing.

Still has a shit compromised airway, moving the bones is much better in every way possible.

If the problem is indeed your bones. The dude probably has an airway that's just fine. Jaw surgery for health is alright.

 

[Dude420]

If the problem is indeed your bones. The dude probably has an airway that's just fine. Jaw surgery for health is alright.

I bet he doesn't, if he needed surgery is that his facial development wasn't optimal, so is airway probably like at 80%, 80% you don't necessarily realize it, but I'll rather have improved looks along with improved airway, what is attractive is linked with is healthy.

 

[RedPilledStemcel]

what is attractive is linked with was is healthy.

No for the most part attractiveness is just peacocking. The studies linking attractive features with health were found to be mostly bullshit. But sleep apnea is a serious problem and you should try to fix it if you have it.

I bet it doesn't if he needed surgery is that is development wasn't ideal

Presumably he did his research and found out that his airway was fine.

 

[Dude420]

No for the most part attractiveness is just peacocking. The studies linking attractive features with health were found to be mostly bullshit. But sleep apnea is a serious problem and you should try to fix it if you have it.

JFL no, sexual selection is a controversial theory that needs more support since those costly adaptations work against your survivability so it shouldn't last, it clearly doesn't seem to play as big of a role as natural selection, peacock is an outlier not the norm at all, also there may be fitness reasons that we didn't find yet, like for homosexuality, above all females want good genes and good genes are healthy genes. Sometimes those attractive adaptions convert into health, sometimes it is advantageous traits for hunting or whatever, there is always a fitness enhancement logic linked to it and at best a very mild "peacocking" one.

 

[RedPilledStemcel]

JFL no, sexual selection is a controversial theory that needs more support since those costly adaptations work against your survivability,

It's not, Fischerian runaway and the sexy son hypothesis are all well accepted. e.g. chins actually hinder functionality.

above all females want good genes and good genes are healthy genes.

Except it was proven that things like symmetry aren't related to healthy genes or even health.

Sometimes those attractive adaption converts into health, sometimes it is advantageous traits for hunting or whatever,

Then why do beauty standards WILDLY vary by culture and even countries of the same cultures

there is always a fitness enhancement logic

You can rationalize literally anything.

Beauty=health was something made up by racists to jerk themselves off over how the white race is the healthiest or whatever. Yes healthy people are more beautiful than unhealthy people (because of skin) probably but preferences for a lot of specific features are probably forms of peacocking or culturally enforced. You can even see this in lookism for example, there was this thread where someone morphed a normal side profile into something akin to an ape and people said the ape looking thing was more attractive, but only aesthetically or whatever the fuck that means because "muh forwards growth" (and of course "muh mewing")

 

[Dude420]

Then why do beauty standards WILDLY vary by culture and even countries of the same cultures

Because they lived in a different environment, stop it only thinking in sexual selection terms. It does not vary WIDLY btw, varying slightly in degrees mostly. At an individual level, life history(evolutionary concept) affects preferences too, some cultures share more similar life history than others so it affects their collective tendencies.

It's not, Fischerian runaway and the sexy son hypothesis are all well accepted.

No, it is still debated between the best evolutionary scientists out there

Except it was proven that things like symmetry aren't related to healthy genes or even health.

Quite obviously it seems to indeed do. Asymmetry represents optimal development, meaning the one with asymmetry struggle to reach is genetic potential, he is more likely not be as adapted to deal properly with the environment (can be pathogens or avoided being deformed by predators in the environment, etc).

You can rationalize literally anything.

This is what you are exactly doing with your BS magically explaining everything, oh it is just illogical peacocking don't try to understand further, weak-minded logic.

Beauty=health was something made up by racists to jerk themselves off over how the white race is the healthiest or whatever. Yes healthy people are more beautiful than unhealthy people (because of skin) probably but preferences for a lot of specific features are probably forms of peacocking or culturally enforced. You can even see this in lookism for example, there was this thread where someone morphed a normal side profile into something akin to an ape and people said the ape looking thing was more attractive, but only aesthetically or whatever the fuck that means because "muh forwards growth" (and of course "muh mewing")

Ok, I don't think your cherry-picked example of a small sample size of like-minded dudes feelings about faces which I don't know anything about is actually valid in proving anything. Btw, it is not that whites are more attractive by virtue of having white skin, it is that they have an evolutionary advantage over others. Indians are the less attractive ones because they have the worse genes, there no Indians in the NFL, NBA, NHL, ATP(tennis), nearly none, blacks and whites mog them. Whites have more attractive faces than blacks on average but this is too intricate to explain as to why here on this post.

 

[RedPilledStemcel]

It does not vary WIDLY btw, varying slightly in degrees mostly

Korean beauty standards are VERY different from those in the west for one

Because they lived in a different environment

I highly doubt it's enough time to influence natural selection. Moreover people exposed to these cultures tend to adopt the same standards (see: koreans in the west and white weebs)

Btw, it is not that whites are more attractive by virtue of having white skin, it is that they have an evolutionary advantage over others.

White facial features (like strong jaws and zygos) considered ugly in korea. A lot of people considered attractive by PSL aren't even considered attractive in France ffs.
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Indians are the less attractive ones because they have the worse genes,

Oh does it also explain why Indians have by far the highest income in the US

there no Indians in the NFL, NBA, NHL, ATP(tennis)

There probably are and differences beyond population proportions can be attributed to culture. This is incredibly low IQ, I expected more from you.

No, it is still debated between the best evolutionary scientists out there

Weinstein is just totally wrong. He's letting his own personal beliefs (utilitarianism) preside over his judgement of the evidence.

Whites have more attractive faces than blacks on average but this is too intricate to explain here on this post.

Yes to white people or people exposed to Western culture. But even this has been becoming less true over time. Wasn't BBC porn the most searched by women last year or something.

Ok, I don't think your cherry-picked example of a small sample size of like-minded dudes feelings about faces which I don't know anything about is actually valid in proving anything.

An example to demonstrate the power that even beauty standards resulting from years of uncontrolled autism can have.

 

[Sandcurrycel786]

Looks a bit off. Looks like he needed surgery tbh

 

[Dude420]

Korean beauty standards are VERY different from those in the west for one

I think you forgot a bigillion commonalities there on top of exaggerating.

I highly doubt it's enough time to influence natural selection. Moreover people exposed to these cultures tend to adopt the same standards (see: koreans in the west and white weebs)

Are you retarded JFL; put an Indian next to a White next to a Black, I think it did have enough time, I doubt changes were only limited to physical features, and had no effect at the level of the mind, it wouldn't make sense anyway.
Culture is the interaction between biology and the environment obviously some differences manifest itself in mate choice between culture. Within one culture preferences change through industrialization/modernity progress that creates changes in the environment.

Oh does it also explain why Indians have by far the highest income in the US
There probably are and differences beyond population proportions can be attributed to culture. This is incredibly low IQ, I expected more from you.

Higher income, yeah, it is not 100% mog, in physical ability it is clear, Indians have probably some advantage in some areas, it wouldn't make sense otherwise obviously. But to no surprise in making pussy wet, short term mating, girls prefer whites and blacks over indians, it isn't "probably forms of peacocking or culturally enforced", think for a second before writing those things, it extremely obvious, whites and blacks have better envelop signaling good genes. Indians don't suck just because of culture, you almost just need to very tall to play in the NBA, but there a nearly no very tall men in India despite the very large population, that has nothing to do with culture.
Btw, I am won't reply to your next post, because this is just too low IQ discussion.

Weinstein is just totally wrong. He's letting his own personal beliefs (utilitarianism) preside over his judgement of the evidence.

JFL your reasoning clearly isn't mogging Weinstein one, I value his opinion over yours.

Yes to white people or people exposed to Western culture. But even this has been becoming less true over time. Wasn't BBC porn the most searched by women last year or something.

Wtf, foids can prefer black dicks and white faces at the same time, can you even use reasoning?

An example to demonstrate the power that even beauty standards resulting from years of uncontrolled autism can have.

Just no.

 

[Deleted member 39]

Why do his nostrils look weird as fuck

 

[Extra Chromosome]

@Dude420 Don't bother convincing OP.
He is bluepilled and not willing to change his views.

 

[RedPilledStemcel]

I think you forgot a bigillion commonalities there on top of exaggerating.

No the most common surgeries they get are the polar opposites of ours.

I think it did have enough time

retard

Culture is the interaction between biology and the environment

retard

JFL your reasoning clearly isn't mogging Weinstein one, I value his opinion over yours.

Darwin himself believed in peacocking. It's widely accepted and taught to undergraduates.

Wtf, foids can prefer black dicks and white faces at the same time, can you even use reasoning?

this is legit very retarded, unless you mean black colored dicks are more pleasing than white colored dicks because of coloring, which may be true due to the taboo aspect of it. Foids prefer white FACES IN THE WEST BECAUSE OF CULTURAL REASONS. If you read any of the studies you quote all the time, you'd see that black people from africa not exposed to western culture could not recognize beauty in average white faces (whereas white people could because they had been exposed to black faces). If instead the Asians were the ones who conquered the world in the 18th century, you'd legit all be whining about how your jaws/zygos/brow bones are too big and primitive

@Dude420 Don't bother convincing OP.
He is bluepilled and not willing to change his views.

Why should I even listen to someone who unironically has "145 IQ" in his sig

 

[Dude420]

this is legit very retarded, unless you mean black colored dicks are more pleasing than white colored dicks because of coloring, which may be true due to the taboo aspect of it. Foids prefer white FACES IN THE WEST BECAUSE OF CULTURAL REASONS. If you read any of the studies you quote all the time, you'd see that black people from africa not exposed to western culture could not recognize beauty in average white faces (whereas white people could because they had been exposed to black faces).

Dude it isn't because of the color it is because of the size
Yeah, there are evolutionary reasoning why people prefer familiar phenotype, which I won't take the time to explain to you but you can search it, so I wouldn't expect anything else from your africa example, stop digging yourself into a hole, you don't know shit.

 

[RedPilledStemcel]

Dude it isn't because of the color it is because of the size

This i show I know you're retarded. They can just find white people with the same sized cocks. Cock sizes there are mostly based on camera tricks anyways.

, there are evolutionary reasoning why people prefer familiar phenotype which I won't take the time to explain to you but you can search it

tldr: retard

I wouldn't expect anything else from your africa example, stop digging yourself into a hole, you don't know shit.

It's on the face research website. It's the first study done on averageness=attractiveness from very early on.

 

[Extra Chromosome]

Cock sizes there are mostly based on camera tricks anyways.

@Dude420 Bro, I tried reasoning with OP.
Impossible. We are feeding the trolls at this point.

 

[RedPilledStemcel]

But to no surprise in making pussy wet, short term mating,

This was proven to be false.

 

[Extra Chromosome]

averageness=attractiveness

Unironically believes average = attractive.
Just...

 

[RedPilledStemcel]

but there a nearly no very tall men in India despite the very large population, that has nothing to do with culture.

There, you've proven you are a fucking retard. You're one of the dumbest shitheads I've met on this site. I can't believe you actually believe that.

Unironically believes average = attractive.

Average proportions shapes and sizes. The study on averageness even says they exaggerated some features and found faces more attractive than the facial average. Averageness is a good starting point. That wasn't my point anyways. It was to show how much of attraction is cultural.

think for a second before writing those things, it extremely obvious, whites and blacks have better envelop signaling good genes

Is it now

you almost just need to very tall to play in the NBA, but there a nearly no very tall men in India despite the very large population, that has nothing to do with culture.

Again you've proven you're dumb as shit. I said population proportions. Indians make a very small percentage of US so of course they won't appear much in the NBA just like Nordics don't (as much) even though they're taller than the average black person.

 

[Dude420]

Not sure if you are trolling at this point, but
Being cheap sport to play, basketball is played to a decent amount in India, they have 1.3 billion population............. If you are tall you'll be approached, there simply isn't much tall athletic Indian per capita stop coping.

 

[RedPilledStemcel]

Being cheap sport to play, basketball is played to a decent amount in India, they have 1.3 billion population............. If you are tall you'll be approached, there simply isn't much tall athletic Indian per capita stop coping.

You think the NBA is recruiting from India?? What percentage of Americans are Indian again. How much more prevalent is basketball in the US than India. Do Indians have better cricket genes than the people in the US? (see how dumb this argument is again) The fact that I have to spell this out for you again for the 5th time confirms how retarded you are.

 

[Dude420]

You think the NBA is recruiting from India?? What percentage of Americans are Indian again. How much more prevalent is basketball in the US than India. Do Indians have better cricket genes than the people in the US? (see how dumb this argument is again) The fact that I have to spell this out for you again for the 5th time confirms how retarded you are.

They don't because it would be a waste of time, since there is so little athletic tall Indian per capita, it isn't the same for all countries.

 

[future chadlite]

Indians are just weak and frail compared to blacks, what is this cope saying its culture lol, there are 30 million moroccans and the amount of elite pro kickboxers outnumbers indians despite them competing and having more athletes. They're weak.

 

[RedPilledStemcel]

They don't because it would be a waste of time, so there is so little athletic tall Indian per capita, it isn't the same for all countries.

wtf??? Now why aren't we as good as India at cricket? Or soccer. Or any other sports that aren't widely played by the US. (hint read the last sentence)

 

[future chadlite]

tHIS Is just a random example.

 

[RedPilledStemcel]

tHIS Is just a random example.

What about cricket or soccer...

 

[Extra Chromosome]

Indians are just weak and frail compared to blacks

 

[RedPilledStemcel]

What about cricket or soccer...

Average Indian in the richest regions are as tall if not taller than average black guy.

 

[future chadlite]

What about cricket or soccer...

They're not the best at soccer or cricket despite outnumbering whites, Australia is the most succesful in cricket and their population is like 5% india
Soccer no chance against even small ethnic countries in africa
It's because their athletic ability is trash, nothing to do with culture