Rate my 5 month lifting transformation

[King]

just suck in air theory

 

[Deleted member 611]

just suck in air theory

It is not working

 

[ShadyMike]

This is 6month of lifting, what would you rate my body now? 6'1" btw, thanks! Id say I can attract women a lot easier now

Just keep at it for 6 months this is a huge improvement. I would suggest dropping to a lower bf% if possible and then slowly bulking up focusing on upper body and back to get better proportions, something like a PPL or P.H.U.L routine would work wonders for you. Also don't try to focus on your legs too much like adding hypertrophy training just do heavy squats twice a week and you're set.

 

[FatmanO]

Just keep at it for 6 months this is a huge improvement. I would suggest dropping to a lower bf% if possible and then slowly bulking up focusing on upper body and back to get better proportions, something like a PPL or P.H.U.L routine would work wonders for you. Also don't try to focus on your legs too much like adding hypertrophy training just do heavy squats twice a week and you're set.

Yeh tbh I did ICF 5x5 for a month so my legs are really big. Tbh Id say my legs are above avg but Im pushing it! Eating around maintaince tho! If I cut Ill just be skinny again

You wouldnt have been anorexic. You were fat at 75Kgs, around 25% bodyfat. It was 75Kgs of fat not muscle. You should have cut. I used to be 75Kgs at the same height and looked nothing like that lol.

Cut to what to bones? I was at dietician? I would have looked like jewish refugee

 

[jefferson]

Yeh tbh I did ICF 5x5 for a month so my legs are really big. Tbh Id say my legs are above avg but Im pushing it! Eating around maintaince tho! If I cut Ill just be skinny again

You'll be skinny with maybe a bit of muscle definition if you cut to ~12%. You used to be skinny fat.

 

[Deleted member 443]

No offense

 

[itsOVER]

Yeh tbh I did ICF 5x5 for a month so my legs are really big. Tbh Id say my legs are above avg but Im pushing it! Eating around maintaince tho! If I cut Ill just be skinny again

Cut to what to bones? I was at dietician? I would have looked like jewish refugee

Listen up boyo, looking like a 'Jewish refugee' would represent a 500% improvement on your current state.

Don't fall for this shit gymcel thing that size is some massively important thing to get girls - ESPECIALLY not when that 'size' comes from an overweight as fuck body that looks like a giant cock and balls has been wedged under the skin.

Looking anorexic would be a vast improvement, and you'll likely be pleasantly surprised at how your body looks skinny anyway.

 

[FatmanO]

You'll be skinny with maybe a bit of muscle definition if you cut to ~12%. You used to be skinny fat.

Tbh I dont want cut atm but I will cut fairly soon in around month or so. Ill see how it goes

 

[GoonCel]

almost no difference second pic almost looks the same

 

[theropeking]

almost no difference second pic almost looks the same

Bs. He changed.

You legit looked better before.

Your body looks like there's something deformed about it now. Prior to your gymcelling, it just looked like a normie type body.

Stop the cope boyo

 

[Barry]

you look better but you need to get body fat down and maybe see a specialist about the loose skin

 

[ZUZZCEL]

would recommend, loose skin surgery ASAP, cut down/RECOMP as much as possible on like 200-250mg test with var or masteron and a decent routine as well as a balanced meal plan consisting of high protein>carbs. Recomp to 10 Percent bf while gaining lean tissue. it can be done at your stage.

after all of that, bulk on 200 test, 350mg tren ace, itll tighten up your skin and help you fill out.


or you can just keep geting fatter bulking natty and making your female fat deposits worse due to low t, high e, loose skin etc

you have fucked up igf-1 prodcution,estro/dht ratios as well as hella other issues loose skin/musccle insertions etc. no point lifting natty, try roiding and see if u can look decent after a year+, if not than rope

 

[DeformAspergerCel]

from deformed/10 to deformed ogre/10

 

[Soontm]

You wouldnt have been anorexic. You were fat at 75Kgs, around 25% bodyfat. It was 75Kgs of fat not muscle. You should have cut. I used to be 75Kgs at the same height and looked nothing like that lol.

Dat face

And you are on roids? Since when?

 

[mojopin]

You look like you've gained muscle but at the same time put on a fair amount of fat. Just eat a lot of high nutrient, lean meat and end your workouts with HIIT training. Sprinting is awesome for this too. Maybe your program isn't the best but I think your fat is just hiding the muscle. Good luck bro.

 

[itsOVER]

Honestly I'd just put down the weights and forget all about this. Your hips are too wide, you'll never have any decent body even if you lifted for 10 fucking years. Cut bodyfat to see if it helps your face, if not, rope.

 

[LooksJourney]

Your pelvis looks wide af man jesus

 

[Time Travel]

Cut it

 

[Deleted member 147]

Dat face

And you are on roids? Since when?

I took 300mg Test E for 12 weeks in April. Went up about 10Kgs in that time frame. I did that little cycle to just test the waters. Im going on a full cycle of 500mg DHB, 500mg Test, 200mg Test in Jan with a Superdrol kickstart and DNP + Insulin PCT.

I know I have no business using steroids lol. Everything Im doing CAN be done naturally just over a much longer period of time.

But at least I'm being honest and saying Im using roids which is a lot more than other people can say, and its my life and I can do what I want ??‍

Honestly I'd just put down the weights and forget all about this. Your hips are too wide, you'll never have any decent body even if you lifted for 10 fucking years. Cut bodyfat to see if it helps your face, if not, rope.

Did you really change ur profile pic into his gymcelling pic ???

 

[Soontm]

I took 300mg Test E for 12 weeks in April. Went up about 10Kgs in that time frame. I did that little cycle to just test the waters. Im going on a full cycle of 500mg DHB, 500mg Test, 200mg Test in Jan with a Superdrol kickstart and DNP + Insulin PCT.

I know I have no business using steroids lol. Everything Im doing CAN be done naturally just over a much longer period of time.

But at least I'm being honest and saying Im using roids which is a lot more than other people can say, and its my life and I can do what I want ??‍

Kudos to that. 12 weeks with only 300 mg test cant be expectected much ngl

 

[FatmanO]

You look like you've gained muscle but at the same time put on a fair amount of fat. Just eat a lot of high nutrient, lean meat and end your workouts with HIIT training. Sprinting is awesome for this too. Maybe your program isn't the best but I think your fat is just hiding the muscle. Good luck bro.

Thanks man I really appreciate it

Honestly I'd just put down the weights and forget all about this. Your hips are too wide, you'll never have any decent body even if you lifted for 10 fucking years. Cut bodyfat to see if it helps your face, if not, rope.

I dont need a god's body lol

would recommend, loose skin surgery ASAP, cut down/RECOMP as much as possible on like 200-250mg test with var or masteron and a decent routine as well as a balanced meal plan consisting of high protein>carbs. Recomp to 10 Percent bf while gaining lean tissue. it can be done at your stage.

after all of that, bulk on 200 test, 350mg tren ace, itll tighten up your skin and help you fill out.


or you can just keep geting fatter bulking natty and making your female fat deposits worse due to low t, high e, loose skin etc

you have fucked up igf-1 prodcution,estro/dht ratios as well as hella other issues loose skin/musccle insertions etc. no point lifting natty, try roiding and see if u can look decent after a year+, if not than rope

I agree but I shoudnt roid atm would fuck up my hormonal level. Loose skin will get lost in like 2 years as Im still young

 

[itsOVER]

Did you really change ur profile pic into his gymcelling pic ???

Honestly his pic highlights the futility of gymcelling more than any words ever could.

 

[FatmanO]

Honestly his pic highlights the futility of gymcelling more than any words ever could.

I attract women tho, I just have high standards aswell so I really dont get your point

 

[itsOVER]

I attract women tho, I just have high standards aswell so I really dont get your point

You don't attract shit boyo. You admitted yourself you're a virgin in a majority girls school who has been on one date in his life.

Muh standards is just a cope - a MGTOWesque 'they didn't reject me, I rejected them!'. You cannot afford any standards - you're a 3.5/10 with a 2/10 body. That's just the reality, sorry.

 

[FatmanO]

You don't attract shit boyo. You admitted yourself you're a virgin in a majority girls school who has been on one date in his life.

Muh standards is just a cope - a MGTOWesque 'they didn't reject me, I rejected them!'. You cannot afford any standards - you're a 3.5/10 with a 2/10 body. That's just the reality, sorry.

Ill post a pic with my gf this year but ty for the courage

 

[itsOVER]

Ill post a pic with my gf this year but ty for the courage

Like you said you would here?

https://looksmax.org/threads/am-i-a-high-tier-normie-in-balkan-states.4030/ (post 47)

Lmao Im leaving for a month or three and Ill return with a pic of a gf and quote you

So, you returned. Still no pic of gf. You don't have a gf boyo, stop the cope ffs, and if you're going to lie at least keep it consistent.

 

[Deleted member 147]

I attract women tho, I just have high standards aswell so I really dont get your point

No you dont lol. You just think you do. Having 2-3 gfs doesnt make u good looking lol. It makes you not disfigured.

Honestly his pic highlights the futility of gymcelling more than any words ever could.

Yh hes a bad gymceller.

 

[itsOVER]

No you dont lol. You just think you do. Having 2-3 gfs doesnt make u good looking lol. It makes you not disfigured.

He's not even had 2-3 gfs! He's had ZERO.

https://looksmax.org/threads/how-old-are-you-guys.3143/

Im 18, and I sometimes feel ''empty'' for only being on one date and never having a girlfriend yet. I try to cope with gym a lot tho, Its that I postpone approaching women and try to gain confidence through gym. How about you guys?

That was on October 30th, so pretty fucking recently.

He's 18 and a virgin. He's at the age where hormones and horniness are at their peak. Realistically he'd take a 3/10 if she was offering herself to him, but the problem is no one wants him.

 

[FatmanO]

He's not even had 2-3 gfs! He's had ZERO.

https://looksmax.org/threads/how-old-are-you-guys.3143/



That was on October 30th, so pretty fucking recently.

He's 18 and a virgin. He's at the age where hormones and horniness are at their peak. Realistically he'd take a 3/10 if she was offering herself to him, but the problem is no one wants him.

Yes cause I was a fat kid my whole life. Im a late bloomer. How many girlfriends have you had? I mostly see guys here that are 18 or even 19 and havent had girlfriends

However you are mistaken that no one wants me

 

[itsOVER]

Yes cause I was a fat kid my whole life. Im a late bloomer. How many girlfriends have you had? I mostly see guys here that are 18 or even 19 and havent had girlfriends

However you are mistaken that no one wants me

You're not a late bloomer ffs. You've not 'bloomed' at all. You're an incel, and no one wants you, or get this - you'd have had sex already.

All those other guys that are 18 or 19 and haven't had sex are incels too. When I was 18 and 19 and had no girlfriend, I was also an incel (despite not knowing about incels then).

How many girlfriends I've had isn't relevant since I'm not the one claiming to be fighting off women with a stick despite being a 3.5/10 because I'll only settle for a Stacy. FWIW - a fair few more than you, although I'm also much older so it's not a fair comparison.

 

[Deleted member 147]

Yes cause I was a fat kid my whole life. Im a late bloomer. How many girlfriends have you had? I mostly see guys here that are 18 or even 19 and havent had girlfriends

However you are mistaken that no one wants me

Lol, because everyone here is an incel. (well not all of us, I smashed a white ting as a curry).

 

[FatmanO]

You're not a late bloomer ffs. You've not 'bloomed' at all. You're an incel, and no one wants you, or get this - you'd have had sex already.

All those other guys that are 18 or 19 and haven't had sex are incels too. When I was 18 and 19 and had no girlfriend, I was also an incel (despite not knowing about incels then).

How many girlfriends I've had isn't relevant since I'm not the one claiming to be fighting off women with a stick despite being a 3.5/10 because I'll only settle for a Stacy. FWIW - a fair few more than you, although I'm also much older so it's not a fair comparison.

Let's say Im an incel atm. But then again, I just can't give up. Imma gymaxx and never stop as I already am getting more female attention. I dont want to have the defeatist mentaily, this is a looksmaxxing site not incels site

Lol, because everyone here is an incel. (well not all of us, I smashed a white ting as a curry).

I woudnt say that. There just some people that are blackpillers,but I know more attractive people than me that are incels

 

[Time Travel]

Let's say Im an incel atm. But then again, I just can't give up. Imma gymaxx and never stop as I already am getting more female attention. I dont want to have the defeatist mentaily, this is a looksmaxxing site not incels site

I woudnt say that. There just some people that are blackpillers,but I know more attractive people than me that are incels

Don't just bulk please, you need to cut and lose some bodyfat.
No one cares about muscles.

 

[Ropemaxing]

Wtf is going with his belly? Deformationmaxing?

 

[FatmanO]

Wtf is going with his belly? Deformationmaxing?

No its looseskin maxxing. Id rather prefer to be rated on muscle gains instead of belly area. I can take pic how I look without loose skin

 

[Ropemaxing]

No its looseskin maxxing. Id rather prefer to be rated on muscle gains instead of belly area. I can take pic how I look without loose skin

Get rid of that belly area 1st because it's destroying your looks X100

 

[FatmanO]

Get rid of that belly area 1st because it's destroying your looks X100

Yes but most of the time peopel dont see loose skin, how is it without loose skin btw?

 

[Tony]

LMFAO @ this thread
@itsOVER u completely destroyed him
but ''girls are attracted to me''
not having a gf ''not incel''

 

[SomethingOff]

Big improvement, but you've got really awful fat distribution and bodyfat percentage still. Unfortunately like a few others mentioned this is what happens when you're not active while growing up.

Don't give up though. I'm curious to see how far you've come in a year, and how fixable you are. You seem like you're gonna make it, at least if you start being a little humble and stop being delusional.

Also I rate your physique 2.5/10. From 1/10.

Don't fall for this shit gymcel thing that size is some massively important thing to get girls - ESPECIALLY not when that 'size' comes from an overweight as fuck body that looks like a giant cock and balls has been wedged under the skin.

Size alone is worthless. Having decent lean mass and also having low bodyfat is the key. This guy has mediocre lean mass and high bodyfat. That's the problem. What people mean when they say "it's better to be big than skinny" is that 10%bf at 20 BMI is trash compared to 13-14%bf at 23 BMI. This guy has about 25%bf, which is way too high, especially when he's lacking lean mass. His distribution is ridiculous too. Lean mass makes you carry fat better, but there's never an excuse to be higher than 20% bodyfat, ever.

Yes, you're right, he needs to lose that fat. But he needs to do it by eating slightly below maintenance and gymming. There's zero point in losing weight without working out, because then you just lose muscle and fat. There's zero point in gaining weight without working out because then you just gain fat.

Honestly I'd just put down the weights and forget all about this. Your hips are too wide, you'll never have any decent body even if you lifted for 10 fucking years. Cut bodyfat to see if it helps your face, if not, rope.

No point in quitting workout when losing weight. Why do people suggest this? If you work out consistently while cutting you'll retain far more strength and musclemass than if you just eat less, and end up at a better bodyfat percentage as a result. Caloric deficit + workout = 80% fat 20% muscle loss. Caloric deficit - workout = 50% fat 50% muscle loss, aka pointless. So many skinnyfat idiots fall in this trap. They lose weight, but since it's half and half muscle and fat, their physique doesn't change at all. Pointless. Work out god damnit.



Anyway, if you're more humble, the people giving you shit look like assholes. If your ego is inflated then people giving you shit is justified. Either way, it's ridiculous to claim "it's over for this guy" when he's just been working out for 5 months. Claiming "it's over" s something you only get to do when someone's gymcelled for 5 years but still look like shit.

 

[itsOVER]

Big improvement, but you've got really awful fat distribution and bodyfat percentage still. Unfortunately like a few others mentioned this is what happens when you're not active while growing up.

Don't give up though. I'm curious to see how far you've come in a year, and how fixable you are. You seem like you're gonna make it, at least if you start being a little humble and stop being delusional.


Size alone is worthless. Having decent lean mass and also having low bodyfat is the key. This guy has mediocre lean mass and high bodyfat. That's the problem. What people mean when they say "it's better to be big than skinny" is that 10%bf at 20 BMI is trash compared to 15%bf at 23 BMI. This guy has about 25%bf, which is way too high, especially when he's lacking lean mass. His distribution is ridiculous too. Lean mass makes you carry fat better, but it's no excuse to be higher than 20% bodyfat.

Yes, you're right, he needs to lose that fat. But he needs to do it by eating slightly below maintenance and gymming. There's zero point in losing weight without working out, because then you just lose muscle and fat. There's zero point in gaining weight without working out because then you just gain fat.

No point in quitting workout when losing weight. Why do people suggest this? If you work out consistently while cutting you'll retain far more strength and musclemass than if you just eat less, and end up at a better bodyfat percentage as a result. Caloric deficit + workout = 80% fat 20% muscle loss. Caloric deficit - workout = 50% fat 50% muscle loss, aka pointless. So many skinnyfat idiots fall in this trap. They lose weight, but since it's half and half muscle and fat, their physique doesn't change at all. Pointless. Work out god damnit.

Well, at least you're not the typical gymcel moron who thinks hurr muh size, muh strength, muh width, muh 'weightmog' (JFL) is some hugely important thing. With that said, I'd argue lower bodyfat is always better irrespective of body size (I'd pick 10% at 20 BMI any day, or even far less BMI than that), since ultimately it's all about the face, and most peoples faces will look better at low bodyfat.

As for gymcelling while cutting weight, yes this can work fine, but so can a variety of other exercise such as football, swimming, rock climbing, whatever. He doesn't have to go to the gym to get a low bodyfat percentage. If he wants to, fine, it's as good a way to cut as any - my problem with gymcels is mainly the 'bulk' concept - plus they are almost to a man low IQ whose idea of an argument point is 'but I could beat you up IRL bro' - cretins such as Nibba and Deltoid say this a lot, for example.

What he should have done is cut right away. The hierarchy of attractiveness goes like this, taking into account the effect on face:

Lean > Skinnyfat > Fat

Thus one should always, always be cutting to a low bodyfat first. Yes, even if that leaves them looking like a 'Jewish refugee'. There's simply no excuse for ever being high bodyfat - it cucks your face, face is number 1, so irrespective of body attractiveness, the fat must be shed first.

He should be cutting at a big big fucking deficit - like 1000kcal a day, since his fat stores are so high. Even then his face looks pretty subhuman so he'll have to hope for big face changes when lean (possible, but can't be predicted). When he gets to 10% bf, then he can decide if he wants to 'bulk' (it'll be utterly worthless if his face is still shit, and won't add much SMV anyway, but whatever).

 

[theropeking]

Well, at least you're not the typical gymcel moron who thinks hurr muh size, muh strength, muh width, muh 'weightmog' (JFL) is some hugely important thing. With that said, I'd argue lower bodyfat is always better irrespective of body size (I'd pick 10% at 20 BMI any day, or even far less BMI than that), since ultimately it's all about the face, and most peoples faces will look better at low bodyfat.

As for gymcelling while cutting weight, yes this can work fine, but so can a variety of other exercise such as football, swimming, rock climbing, whatever. He doesn't have to go to the gym to get a low bodyfat percentage. If he wants to, fine, it's as good a way to cut as any - my problem with gymcels is mainly the 'bulk' concept - plus they are almost to a man low IQ whose idea of an argument point is 'but I could beat you up IRL bro' - cretins such as Nibba and Deltoid say this a lot, for example.

What he should have done is cut right away. The hierarchy of attractiveness goes like this, taking into account the effect on face:

Lean > Skinnyfat > Fat

Thus one should always, always be cutting to a low bodyfat first. Yes, even if that leaves them looking like a 'Jewish refugee'. There's simply no excuse for ever being high bodyfat - it cucks your face, face is number 1, so irrespective of body attractiveness, the fat must be shed first.

He should be cutting at a big big fucking deficit - like 1000kcal a day, since his fat stores are so high. Even then his face looks pretty subhuman so he'll have to hope for big face changes when lean (possible, but can't be predicted). When he gets to 10% bf, then he can decide if he wants to 'bulk' (it'll be utterly worthless if his face is still shit, and won't add much SMV anyway, but whatever).

Dude if id go 10% bf my neck would be extremely thin. If i wouldnt train my neck muscles id be saintblacjops2 tier but with neck training i can get to cristiano ronaldo level

Getting muscle mass is important for some people. Dont know why urr still coping with "muh lifting is stupid"

 

[itsOVER]

Dude if id go 10% bf my neck would be extremely thin. If i wouldnt train my neck muscles id be saintblacjops2 tier but with neck training i can get to cristiano ronaldo level

Getting muscle mass is important for some people. Dont know why urr still coping with "muh lifting is stupid"

Your neck will be just fine. If your neck is failing you, it's because it's too long, not because of width (and you can't do shit about it being too long).

There's a ton of fucking benefits to cutting to 10%. Neck doesn't even matter one fucking bit (unless it's too long), but even if it did there's a laundry list of positive things that come from having your bodyfat at 10% which entirely outweighs the effects on muh neck.

BTW, Cristiano Ronaldo actually has an incel tier neck - but it's because it's too long. It actually looks comical.

 

[SomethingOff]

He should be cutting at a big big fucking deficit - like 1000kcal a day, since his fat stores are so high. Even then his face looks pretty subhuman so he'll have to hope for big face changes when lean (possible, but can't be predicted). When he gets to 10% bf, then he can decide if he wants to 'bulk' (it'll be utterly worthless if his face is still shit, and won't add much SMV anyway, but whatever).

I agree with a lot of what you said, and you're right about doing an activity instead of or other than the gym regularly (many times a week) to cut is also a good way to cut. But working out helps retain musclemass while cutting if the cut isn't too aggressive, so that's why I always recommend doing some basic workout even while cutting. After all, if you cut all your musclemass away, you just have to gain is back later, when some of it could have been preserved by working out and not having such an aggressive caloric deficit.

In this case though, you're right, he should be focusing on losing weight moreso than gaining muscle, and he should have been more strict with the calories to ensure he gained as little fat and as much lean mass as possible.

I think we share the same views on bulking. I don't like the word "bulk". There really is no reason to eat 1000+ caloric surplus when doing 500-600 surplus instead would gain you 90% of the musclemass, while cutting down the fat you'd gain in half. Lean bulk is the way to go, there should be a term for this tbh. Either way, eating more than 600 caloric surplus is generally always a waste unless you're a professional contender.

 

[itsOVER]

I agree with a lot of what you said, and you're right about doing an activity instead of or other than the gym regularly (many times a week) to cut is also a good way to cut. But working out helps retain musclemass while cutting if the cut isn't too aggressive, so that's why I always recommend doing some basic workout even while cutting. After all, if you cut all your musclemass away, you just have to gain is back later, when some of it could have been preserved by working out and not having such an aggressive caloric deficit.

In this case though, you're right, he should be focusing on losing weight moreso than gaining muscle, and he should have been more strict with the calories to ensure he gained as little fat and as much lean mass as possible.

I think we share the same views on bulking. I don't like the word "bulk". There really is no reason to eat 1000 caloric surplus when doing 500-600 surplus instead would gain you 90% of the musclemass, while cutting down the fat you'd gain in half. Lean bulk is the way to go, there should be a term for this tbh. Either way, eating more than 600 caloric surplus is generally always a waste unless you're a professional contender.

I think bodyfat percentage is the vast majority of the battle - at 10%, you're pretty looksmaxed IMO - having a lot of muscle makes it slightly easier to be low bodyfat but it's not strictly necessary (I'm proving that myself - currently 11% bf at 53kg - measured by an actual scan, not a reddit/bro 11%).

Yes if one insists on gymcelling, bulks shouldn't ever be more than 500kcal surplus, and even that amount is only for a noob. After 1 year it's more like 300 needed.

Either way this guy - like the vast majority of the population - needs to be cutting before he even thinks about doing anything else. Even if he doesn't care about face gains (and he should cos that's 90% of attractiveness), the relative partitioning of fat gains to muscle gains will be absolute dogshit at his current bf % - he'll be getting even fatter, and quickly.

 

[DeformAspergerCel]

I think percentage is the vast majority of the battle - at 10%, you're pretty looksmaxed IMO - having a lot of muscle makes it slightly easier to be low bodyfat but it's not strictly necessary (I'm proving that myself - currently 11% bf at 53kg - measured by an actual scan, not a reddit/bro 11%).

Yes if one insists on gymcelling, bulks shouldn't ever be more than 500kcal surplus, and even that amount is only for a noob. After 1 year it's more like 300 needed.

Either way this guy - like the vast majority of the population - needs to be cutting before he even thinks about doing anything else. Even if he doesn't care about face gains (and he should cos that's 90% of attractiveness), the relative partitioning of fat gains to muscle gains will be absolute dogshit at his current bf % - he'll be getting even fatter, and quickly.

Brutal profile pic

Saint blackops2cel meme tier
its OVER

 

[theropeking]

Your neck will be just fine. If your neck is failing you, it's because it's too long, not because of width (and you can't do shit about it being too long).

There's a ton of fucking benefits to cutting to 10%. Neck doesn't even matter one fucking bit (unless it's too long), but even if it did there's a laundry list of positive things that come from having your bodyfat at 10% which entirely outweighs the effects on muh neck.

BTW, Cristiano Ronaldo actually has an incel tier neck - but it's because it's too long. It actually looks comical.

Imagine if his neck was thin. Would look 100x worser and weaker or not?Say what u wanna say, neck training is a must be if you have a longish and thin neck.

You always try to cope around and never agree on others opinion even though u know i am right in this case. You cant tell me that ronaldo would look the same or better if he had a thin neck.

Its an indicator for low iq. You try to be always right and never rly wanna agree on certain points

 

[itsOVER]

Imagine if his neck was thin. Would look 100x worser and weaker. Say what u wanna say, neck training is a must be if you have a longish and thin neck.

You always try to cope around and never agree on others opinion even though u know i am right in this case. You cant tell me that ronaldo would look the same or better if he had a thin neck.

Its an indicator for low iq. You try to be always right and never rly wanna agree on certain points

You know what's low IQ?

When, upon someone disagreeing with you, you reflexively say 'COOOOOOPE'.

It's done a lot in these communities. By retards. Like you.

 

[theropeking]

You know what's low IQ?

When, upon someone disagreeing with you, you reflexively say 'COOOOOOPE'.

It's done a lot in these communities. By retards. Like you.

Why dont u answer to my question

 

[FatmanO]

Well, at least you're not the typical gymcel moron who thinks hurr muh size, muh strength, muh width, muh 'weightmog' (JFL) is some hugely important thing. With that said, I'd argue lower bodyfat is always better irrespective of body size (I'd pick 10% at 20 BMI any day, or even far less BMI than that), since ultimately it's all about the face, and most peoples faces will look better at low bodyfat.

As for gymcelling while cutting weight, yes this can work fine, but so can a variety of other exercise such as football, swimming, rock climbing, whatever. He doesn't have to go to the gym to get a low bodyfat percentage. If he wants to, fine, it's as good a way to cut as any - my problem with gymcels is mainly the 'bulk' concept - plus they are almost to a man low IQ whose idea of an argument point is 'but I could beat you up IRL bro' - cretins such as Nibba and Deltoid say this a lot, for example.

What he should have done is cut right away. The hierarchy of attractiveness goes like this, taking into account the effect on face:

Lean > Skinnyfat > Fat

Thus one should always, always be cutting to a low bodyfat first. Yes, even if that leaves them looking like a 'Jewish refugee'. There's simply no excuse for ever being high bodyfat - it cucks your face, face is number 1, so irrespective of body attractiveness, the fat must be shed first.

He should be cutting at a big big fucking deficit - like 1000kcal a day, since his fat stores are so high. Even then his face looks pretty subhuman so he'll have to hope for big face changes when lean (possible, but can't be predicted). When he gets to 10% bf, then he can decide if he wants to 'bulk' (it'll be utterly worthless if his face is still shit, and won't add much SMV anyway, but whatever).

Hey man, id look better lean, but only If I have more 4-5months of muscle, however I wanted to get big at start, not to be attractive but to go to bear mode.

My face is shit, BUT only in developed countries. Luckily Im slovenian where standards for faces are lower. People said I look better now but back then I was ultra skinny, I probably have to cut very soon tho. I appreciate you being honest and not having defeatist mentality. Imo if I can lose 70lbs in 7months I can do it again!

 

[itsOVER]

Why dont u answer to my question

Because your debating 'style' is one of ad hominems and buzzwords. You don't particularly deserve an answer. If you could discuss it like an adult, that'd be one thing - but you've already proven you can't.