The Importance of Sleep [pt. 2]: Sleep Stack

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If you don't know who Matthew Walker is, he is a legit sleep scientist and recommend you watch everything you can on his stuff



Been getting 8-10 hours sleep consistently and tracking it through my Oura ring

Most important part of getting good sleep is

1. What you do BEFORE you go to sleep
2. Supplements you take


--------HOW TO GET 10-HOURS SLEEP EVERY NIGHT--------

#1. What to do BEFORE you go to BED & during the day
- Lift in the evening
I've found that lifting in the evening 2-3 hours away from bed time, my body goes to sleep MUCH faster than during the day

- Stop eating 2-3 hours before bed time
"When we eat late at night, the muscles that digest and metabolize our food have to keep working when they should be resting. This can delay your ability to fall asleep and can prevent you from getting the deep, restful stage of sleep you need to feel refreshed the next day."
.

- Eat high protein (1g/lb of BW)
Noticed a MAJOR difference when I upped my protein
.

- Wear Blue light blocking glasses once it gets dark
Talked about this in the first post, it is a MUST. Blue light at night seriously fucks up your natural rhythm. I got two different pairs of blue light blocking glasses to try out. 1 pair from Gunnar Optiks & 1 pair from True Dark.
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They both work well I use the Gunnar once the sun goes down
Then 60-90 minutes before bed I switch to the True Dark (red lenses)

- NO stimulants
Should be a no brainer, don't drink coffee at night

#2. The PERFECT Sleep Stack
- Do everything above, take this stack 60 minutes before bed every night
L-Tryptophan - 1500mg

.
L-Theanine - 1000mg
.
Melatonin - 3-6mg
Would take breaks, you could build a tolerance to it if taken too much too often
Magnesium Glycinate - 400mg
Most people are deficient in Magnesium anyway, you should take regardless
Glycine - 3g

My sleep results using this stack (tracking on my Oura ring)
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EXTRA
MK-677
Increases GH, would take 60-90 minutes before before bed. At two hours you will be too hungry to fall asleep as it increases Ghrelin hormone as well
.
 
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1. rule of good sleep dont be recessed
 
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nice thread bro
 
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Good post, I‘d cut back on the Melatonin though aren’t you concerned about desensitizing yourself?
 
Good post, I‘d cut back on the Melatonin though aren’t you concerned about desensitizing yourself?
I know i said that
 
1. rule of good sleep dont be recessed
Actually, being forward grown is required to breathe properly while sleeping, all the apnea patients are giga recessed
 
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Actually, being forward grown is required to breathe properly while sleeping, all the apnea patients are giga recessed
isn't that what he said lol?
 
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Actually, being forward grown is required to breathe properly while sleeping, all the apnea patients are giga recessed
lmao yes
 
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If you aren't a professional athlete or a strenous thinker, having to sleep a lot is generally a symptom of sickness. The less sleep you need before you automatically wake up and feel rested, the healthier you are likely to be. It's mostly through improving oxygenation/CO2 tolerance that you get deeper-than-average-sleep. Those who are advanced in breathing training only need to sleep 2-4 hours a night.

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If you aren't a professional athlete or a strenous thinker, having to sleep a lot is generally a symptom of sickness. The less sleep you need before you automatically wake up and feel rested, the healthier you are likely to be. It's mostly through improving oxygenation/CO2 tolerance that you get deeper-than-average-sleep. Those who are advanced in breathing training only need to sleep 2-4 hours a night.

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this motivated me to pick up breathing training. what's the optimal routine? i already know of hof
 
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legit high effort post l-arginine, magnesium, l-theanine knock me out and helped to improve my severe insomnia
 
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from no-fap?
i havent masturbated or watch porn in many years. its degenerate and ruins ones dopaminergic system, in a world where ones dopaminergic system is already overstimulated
 
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i havent masturbated or watch porn in many years. its degenerate and ruins ones dopaminergic system, in a world where ones dopaminergic system is already overstimulated
why do you take arginine and how much grams

and thoughts on melatonin?
 
If you aren't a professional athlete or a strenous thinker, having to sleep a lot is generally a symptom of sickness. The less sleep you need before you automatically wake up and feel rested, the healthier you are likely to be. It's mostly through improving oxygenation/CO2 tolerance that you get deeper-than-average-sleep. Those who are advanced in breathing training only need to sleep 2-4 hours a night.

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Can you elab on how to need less sleep/feel more rested?(breathing training,etc)
 
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If you aren't a professional athlete or a strenous thinker, having to sleep a lot is generally a symptom of sickness. The less sleep you need before you automatically wake up and feel rested, the healthier you are likely to be. It's mostly through improving oxygenation/CO2 tolerance that you get deeper-than-average-sleep. Those who are advanced in breathing training only need to sleep 2-4 hours a night.

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Can you elab on how to need less sleep/feel more rested?(breathing training,etc)
this motivated me to pick up breathing training. what's the optimal routine? i already know of hof
Wim Hof is good, but you have to do it a lot, and often, to see signifcant results.

Two alternatives (or, in addition to the WH method) are:

-Getting an oxygen concentrator (got one for USD 220 online), and doing session before sleep, and throughout the day.

- Supplementing with Myo-Inositol Trisporyphosphate (ITPP): will mimic the effect of high CO2 in blood of the Wim Hof Breathing, on the lowered oxygen-binding capacity of RBCs.
 

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this motivated me to pick up breathing training. what's the optimal routine? i already know of hof
Can you elab on how to need less sleep/feel more rested?(breathing training,etc)
Wim Hof is a bit of a gimmick and doesn't do much to increase your CO2 tolerance. You need about an hour of elevated CO2 levels a day in order to make progress. This is achieved by reducing breathing volume. Konstantin Buteyko built a comprehensive scientific system around this, so check out the Buteyko method. The method is in a sense rebranded pranayama, which is a thousands of years old yogic method of breathing cessation. Basically you relax and breathe a little less to the point where your body begins to warms up and your nasal passages open up, but not to the point where you tense up. You should be feeling good and focused, which are the results of increased CO2 and subsequent rise in cellular oxygenation. Keep this up for 20-25 minutes and repeat 3x a day. Over time your body will adapt to higher CO2 levels and your reduced breathing will become your normal breathing, after which you work to reduce your breathing even furher. In a few weeks your breathing will be so shallow and slow as to be nearly invisible, and your sleeping requirements will have lessened by at least an hour or two. You will feel healthier and more energetic too.
 
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If you aren't a professional athlete or a strenous thinker, having to sleep a lot is generally a symptom of sickness. The less sleep you need before you automatically wake up and feel rested, the healthier you are likely to be. It's mostly through improving oxygenation/CO2 tolerance that you get deeper-than-average-sleep. Those who are advanced in breathing training only need to sleep 2-4 hours a night.

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Wrong, more sleep increases physical performance and mental clarity

This is so wrong I dont know where to even start with this 🤦‍♂️
 
First post here:

If you don't know who Matthew Walker is, he is a legit sleep scientist and recommend you watch everything you can on his stuff



Been getting 8-10 hours sleep consistently and tracking it through my Oura ring

Most important part of getting good sleep is

1. What you do BEFORE you go to sleep
2. Supplements you take


--------HOW TO GET 10-HOURS SLEEP EVERY NIGHT--------

#1. What to do BEFORE you go to BED & during the day
- Lift in the evening
I've found that lifting in the evening 2-3 hours away from bed time, my body goes to sleep MUCH faster than during the day

- Stop eating 2-3 hours before bed time
"When we eat late at night, the muscles that digest and metabolize our food have to keep working when they should be resting. This can delay your ability to fall asleep and can prevent you from getting the deep, restful stage of sleep you need to feel refreshed the next day."
.

- Eat high protein (1g/lb of BW)
Noticed a MAJOR difference when I upped my protein
.

- Wear Blue light blocking glasses once it gets dark
Talked about this in the first post, it is a MUST. Blue light at night seriously fucks up your natural rhythm. I got two different pairs of blue light blocking glasses to try out. 1 pair from Gunnar Optiks & 1 pair from True Dark.
View attachment 800166View attachment 800170
They both work well I use the Gunnar once the sun goes down
Then 60-90 minutes before bed I switch to the True Dark (red lenses)

- NO stimulants
Should be a no brainer, don't drink coffee at night

#2. The PERFECT Sleep Stack
- Do everything above, take this stack 60 minutes before bed every night
L-Tryptophan - 1500mg

.
L-Theanine - 1000mg
.
Melatonin - 3-6mg
Would take breaks, you could build a tolerance to it if taken too much too often
Magnesium Glycinate - 400mg
Most people are deficient in Magnesium anyway, you should take regardless
Glycine - 3g

My sleep results using this stack (tracking on my Oura ring)
View attachment 800199

EXTRA
MK-677
Increases GH, would take 60-90 minutes before before bed. At two hours you will be too hungry to fall asleep as it increases Ghrelin hormone as well
.

All those supplements u listed are cope but good thread, also can't u just use night light instead of buying glasses?
 
All those supplements u listed are cope but good thread, also can't u just use night light instead of buying glasses?
Cope that has studies behind it, and my own months of tracking sleep quality. Sure bro

I used the glasses cause they work, not sure about a night light
 
Cope that has studies behind it, and my own months of tracking sleep quality. Sure bro

I used the glasses cause they work, not sure about a night light
night light is like something u put on ur screen like orange light thing to prevent blue light
 
First post here:

If you don't know who Matthew Walker is, he is a legit sleep scientist and recommend you watch everything you can on his stuff



Been getting 8-10 hours sleep consistently and tracking it through my Oura ring

Most important part of getting good sleep is

1. What you do BEFORE you go to sleep
2. Supplements you take


--------HOW TO GET 10-HOURS SLEEP EVERY NIGHT--------

#1. What to do BEFORE you go to BED & during the day
- Lift in the evening
I've found that lifting in the evening 2-3 hours away from bed time, my body goes to sleep MUCH faster than during the day

- Stop eating 2-3 hours before bed time
"When we eat late at night, the muscles that digest and metabolize our food have to keep working when they should be resting. This can delay your ability to fall asleep and can prevent you from getting the deep, restful stage of sleep you need to feel refreshed the next day."
.

- Eat high protein (1g/lb of BW)
Noticed a MAJOR difference when I upped my protein
.

- Wear Blue light blocking glasses once it gets dark
Talked about this in the first post, it is a MUST. Blue light at night seriously fucks up your natural rhythm. I got two different pairs of blue light blocking glasses to try out. 1 pair from Gunnar Optiks & 1 pair from True Dark.
View attachment 800166View attachment 800170
They both work well I use the Gunnar once the sun goes down
Then 60-90 minutes before bed I switch to the True Dark (red lenses)

- NO stimulants
Should be a no brainer, don't drink coffee at night

#2. The PERFECT Sleep Stack
- Do everything above, take this stack 60 minutes before bed every night
L-Tryptophan - 1500mg

.
L-Theanine - 1000mg
.
Melatonin - 3-6mg
Would take breaks, you could build a tolerance to it if taken too much too often
Magnesium Glycinate - 400mg
Most people are deficient in Magnesium anyway, you should take regardless
Glycine - 3g

My sleep results using this stack (tracking on my Oura ring)
View attachment 800199

EXTRA
MK-677
Increases GH, would take 60-90 minutes before before bed. At two hours you will be too hungry to fall asleep as it increases Ghrelin hormone as well
.

Can you link Part1??
 
Wrong, more sleep increases physical performance and mental clarity

This is so wrong I dont know where to even start with this 🤦‍♂️
You require the sleep you require. By sleeping for the required amount, you optimize physical performance and mental clarity, exactly as you say. Yet the amount of sleep you require is in turn influenced by your health, namely oxygenation. A poorly oxygenated person will sleep ten hours before naturally waking up refreshed. A well oxygenated person will achieve the same in four to six hours.
 
You require the sleep you require. By sleeping for the required amount, you optimize physical performance and mental clarity, exactly as you say. Yet the amount of sleep you require is in turn influenced by your health, namely oxygenation. A poorly oxygenated person will sleep ten hours before naturally waking up refreshed. A well oxygenated person will achieve the same in four to six hours.
Bro I don't want to argue with you, but there are so many studies on increased sleep that leads to improved health factors, just do a little research mayne
 
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Bro I don't want to argue with you, but there are so many studies on increased sleep that leads to improved health factors, just do a little research mayne
You are not wrong, nor even disagreeing with me. You should definitely sleep as you much as you need to. My point is that this amount is determined by your state of health.
 
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