The l'Ookist fallacy and the corruption of the blackpill

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I figure I will be talking today about a topic that might be seen as heresy within this community. Here I will treat the issue of l'Ookism - or looks reductionism - cherished as dogma by so many of the credulous and deceived.

To put the 'blackpill' in the simplest terms, we can summarize it effectively as: 'the average man will not receive the female he deserves'. Why such an uncontroversial statement should then be bounded up with the most ludicrous assertions about the nature of attraction is the matter at hand here and I am not sure of how such cumbersome falsehoods were fastened to it in the first place. We can state looks reductionism as the belief that 'only looks matter' for sexual success, a position so flatly incorrect that it would not even merit a refutation were it not for the fact that so many babbling stooges have become the soldiers of its cause, waving their fingerpainted banner as a grandiose 'theory of everything'.

To begin with the most salient fact, this is a fundamentally 'cucked' and gynocractic position. To say that women are attracted to the 'best-looking' men is to ascribe to them a superlatively refined aesthetic judgment that no other being possesses, to enthrone them in tribunals that would allow them to pass sentence on a man's physical worth. How they are able to arrive at these conclusions of course no one can say, except by appealing to an occult faculty that 'just is', that allow whores to 'sense' the 'best genes' (best in regard to what? Value judgments do not make sense without a goal as reference). That said, this does not prevent the partisans of l'Ookism from rallying behind it and defending it from all attacks. "Pee pee poo poo nigguh you're just 'coping' ook ook eek eek Chad has smexytime with my 'oneitis' and my mom and my sister all the time aw shit nigguh I wish I was Chad". Pathetic display all around, and that these people should be considered representatives of the 'blackpill' is a disgrace saddled on us all.

It does not take especially much work to tear this position to shreds either. Woman is, or should be, universally known as the sex totally without aesthetic judgment. Musically their tastes run exclusively to whorepop, visually they have no taste for majesty and busy themselves with bright and flowery trivialities, their culinary sense is generally dull. They have time and again proven themselves totally incapable of producing a single great work of art, or even appreciating one. But we are supposed to believe they have a supremely refined appreciation of masculine beuaty - why? This is in fact the same mistake that the forerunner of the modern blackpill, Arthur Schopenhauer, is guilty of making. His theory of heredity and sexual attraction is the main deficiency across his entire body of work, and nowhere is this more visible than in his short work 'On Women'. To begin with, we have him repeating points that were made earlier in this post:

The nobler and more perfect a thing is, the later and slower is it in reaching maturity. Man reaches the maturity of his reasoning and mental faculties scarcely before he is eight-and-twenty; woman when she is eighteen; but hers is reason of very narrow limitations. This is why women remain children all their lives, for they always see only what is near at hand, cling to the present, take the appearance of a thing for reality, and prefer trifling matters to the most important.

While later we are blindsided. as if formulated ex nihilo, by the l'Ookist cuckpill:

Nature has made it the calling of the young, strong, and handsome men to look after the propagation of the human race; so that the species may not degenerate. This is the firm will of Nature, and it finds its expression in the passions of women. This law surpasses all others in both age and power. Woe then to the man who sets up rights and interests in such a way as to make them stand in the way of it; for whatever he may do or say, they will, at the first significant onset, be unmercifully annihilated.

This last excerpt is basically the blackpill as promulgated by a site like .co, in all of its 'depth'. I hope it will not be required of me to belabor exactly how fundamental a contradiction lies in these two thoughts - to think that they could issue from the same man - and moreover find inclusion in the same short work! This is not altogether distinct from looks reductionists who want to have their cake and eat it too however. We often see how looks reductionists are torn between inveighing against their 'oppression' while also trying to satisfy their barely repressed masochism. This leads them into the previously mentioned insoluble contradiction, whereby whores are supposed to be 'pee pee poo poo stupid and sheeeeeeit' while also merciless eugenicists with a razor-sharp eye for the differentiating qualities of men.

Before he was unceremoniously banned, the user @micropenis29 made one of the best points I've seen expressed on .co in several progressively degenerating years: l'Ookists, often times people who will in the same breath rave against 'Sub-8 Theory' (usually in order to indulge crybaby cuck fantasies like 'JBW' that are contingent upon it not being valid), do not seem to take their own histrionics seriously. People who make constant reference to OkCupid graphs w/ 5% response rates and testimonials from Reddit whores who only find 1% of men attractive, even go as far as to have the 'women only find 5% of men attractive' graph in their signature; these people will then throw a fit about 'Sub-8 Theory' ("'normies' bang my sister too!) while at the same time holding dogmatically to the l'Ookist 'only looks matter' position. These cannot both be true at the same time though. Which is it?

We also see incoherence crop up in the general refusal to recognize the concept of 'mentalcels'. Often times, they will lead us to believe that any cognitive or behavioral differences we observe between individuals is a result of 'discwimination' based on "lookism" (notice how this dovetails with soycuck BLMcel whining about "opwession" and refusal to acknowledge legitimate racial differences except for 'whypipo bad'). These people will make a big talk of being 'blackpilked' genetic determinists ("GENES are everything budy boyo xD girl can sense GOOD GENE"), but then will become radical blank-slate social constructivists whenever not playing with their hobby horse of "lookism". Evidently, only cosmetic differences are heritable and totally malleable souls without quality are deposited at birth into corporeal husks. Such dogmatic mind-body dualism hasn't been seen since Descartes!

Now on to the denouement: how exactly is the situation resolved? The only logical conclusion from the premises established ("women have bad judgment", "women do not rate many men as appealing based on visual stimulation") is indeed 'Sub-8 Theory' as certain people insist on calling it: women do not find the vast majority of men attractive. They have no sense for aesthetic distinctions except those of a very narrow nature amplified to the highest degree: for a woman to experience physical attraction, a man has to smack her over the head with beauty as it were; below the 99th percentile, a woman's aesthetic discernment rapidly fades to nothing until it experiences revulsion somewhere around the 10th percentile.

This is not to say that 'normies' don't have sex, which has always been a diversion or a childish misunderstanding: it does mean however that such attainments cannot be achieved on the merit of appearance. Where women's truly disordered, and even calculatedly grotesque, judgment shines through is in her social selection of men. Watch how the modern man flips his wrist, constantly clutching a cell phone, as he waxes feminine about 'losers'; watching how he neurotically poses in front of a mirror and calculates his sexual utility (it is no coincidence that l'Ooksmax is full of these whorish types); watch how he slurs his words and hops and bops all around the world to groid music. If a man could actually leverage his basal looks below the 99th percentile, such things would not be happening. Notice this also gives one ground to refute the cuck-cage big boy argument so often used by "traditionalists": "women are only bad now (if at all) because men 'let' them be". In fact it is the opposite. The new form of social competition among men on woman's terms ensures the rapid degeneration of masculine virtue as it forces men to debase themselves by acting gossippy, effeminate, and vacuous.

To open things up to a wider discussion: how did l'Ookism become a dogmatic tenet of the blackpill and what can be done about it?
 
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Didn't read to be honest but bump
 
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dnr but bump
 
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dnrd bump
 
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Dd rd good thread
 
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bump read a sentence
 
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Dnrd just want reacts for my meme
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Very high IQ thread
 
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You are a worthy rival to @copingvolcel on the essays competition i see...
 
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Read almost every word didn't get the point, last paragraphs contradict the original hypothesis wtf.
Looks like a copy pasta btw
 
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unironically not a single word
 
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Read almost every word didn't get the point, last paragraphs contradict the original hypothesis wtf.
Looks like a copy pasta btw
how do the last paragraphs contradict the hypothesis? The last paragraph says that normies get laid, but not on looks alone. The hypothesis was that this idea that "only looks matter" is a stupid flawed idea that exists in the community
 
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TLDR?
 
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not a single word
bump btw
 
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I did, did not understand ngl
ok

so basically, there are people who argue "looks are the only thing that matters" which is retarded, there are clearly other factors. and if looks were truly the only thing that matters, then sub8 theory would be the truth
 
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They care about the looks subconsciously and they know how to pick a Chad based on looks cuz it's how they were constructed due to the evolution.
 
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They care about the looks subconsciously and they know how to pick a Chad based on looks cuz it's how they were constructed due to the evolution.
To say that women are attracted to the 'best-looking' men is to ascribe to them a superlatively refined aesthetic judgment that no other being possesses, to enthrone them in tribunals that would allow them to pass sentence on a man's physical worth. How they are able to arrive at these conclusions of course no one can say, except by appealing to an occult faculty that 'just is', that allow whores to 'sense' the 'best genes' (best in regard to what? Value judgments do not make sense without a goal as reference). That said, this does not prevent the partisans of l'Ookism from rallying behind it and defending it from all attacks. "Pee pee poo poo nigguh you're just 'coping' ook ook eek eek Chad has smexytime with my 'oneitis' and my mom and my sister all the time aw shit nigguh I wish I was Chad". Pathetic display all around, and that these people should be considered representatives of the 'blackpill' is a disgrace saddled on us all.
 
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I don’t think anyone is denying that things like personality, status and wealth don’t matter. People are just stating looks matter the most. You have created a straw man argument tbh
 
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Dn read
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I don’t think anyone is denying that things like personality, status and wealth don’t matter. People are just stating looks matter the most. You have created a straw man argument tbh
jfl nice job reading it

however i have seen many people argue looks are the only thing that matters
 
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jfl nice job reading it

however i have seen many people argue looks are the only thing that matters
Looks are the only thing that matters for hookups and casual sex true but for life in general you need to bring everything to the table. You need to be NT, rich, have status etc.
In fact you could argue people cope with just looks because it’s easier to fantasise about. It’s harder to ascend when you have to do things like socialise and work on your social skills in addition to surgery.
 
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I don't claim only women have these power. Men care about the looks as much as women and it's based on evolution of the mankind
 
I don't claim only women have these power. Men care about the looks as much as women and it's based on evolution of the mankind
gonna have to disagree. men are much less strict with their looks requirements to what they find attractive
 
gonna have to disagree. men are much less strict with their looks requirements to what they find attractive

But still looks matter the most to us, it doesn't matter how high your standards are set
 
But still looks matter the most to us, it doesn't matter how high your standards are set
that still doesn't debunk the point of the thread anyway
 
Looks are the entrance threshold. The better looking you are, the more leeway you have to fuck up. That's the point. The self-defeating, defeatist attitude on this forum is just a coping mechanism for people too lazy to try to actually do something about the way they look.
 
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To say that women are attracted to the 'best-looking' men is to ascribe to them a superlatively refined aesthetic judgment that no other being possesses, to enthrone them in tribunals that would allow them to pass sentence on a man's physical worth. How they are able to arrive at these conclusions of course no one can say, except by appealing to an occult faculty that 'just is', that allow whores to 'sense' the 'best genes' (best in regard to what? Value judgments do not make sense without a goal as reference). That said, this does not prevent the partisans of l'Ookism from rallying behind it and defending it from all attacks. "Pee pee poo poo nigguh you're just 'coping' ook ook eek eek Chad has smexytime with my 'oneitis' and my mom and my sister all the time aw shit nigguh I wish I was Chad". Pathetic display all around, and that these people should be considered representatives of the 'blackpill' is a disgrace saddled on us all.

It does not take especially much work to tear this position to shreds either. Woman is, or should be, universally known as the sex totally without aesthetic judgment. Musically their tastes run exclusively to whorepop, visually they have no taste for majesty and busy themselves with bright and flowery trivialities, their culinary sense is generally dull. They have time and again proven themselves totally incapable of producing a single great work of art, or even appreciating one. But we are supposed to believe they have a supremely refined appreciation of masculine beuaty - why?
so because foids have been observed to lack taste/are incapable of original thought = they cant sexually select? sexual selection is a product of evolution, it quite literally "just is". this isn't contradictory like you've made it out to be

everything else makes sense though
 
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so because foids have been observed to lack taste/are incapable of original thought = they cant sexually select? sexual selection is a product of evolution, it quite literally "just is". this isn't contradictory like you've made it out to be

everything else makes sense though
they can sexually select, but i'm saying that it isn't necessarily the "best genes"
 
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read the first 12 words
 
Interesting read overall albeit with some overly verbose passages.

That guy is right though, you do basically contradict yourself in the last paragraph. Initially you state that women have overall poor taste in music and art and fail to appreciate more complex works, which contradicts this idea of their "razor-sharp eye for the differentiating qualities of men". Then in the final paragraph you seem to agree with the idea that women can discern between the top 1% of men and the other 99% where you say that men in the bottom 99% can't "leverage their basal looks" and instead go with other methods of attraction.

Also I don't think that it is a contradiction that women don't generally appreciate fine art but rigorously assess attractiveness in men. Is it so hard to distinguish between these two photos?
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A quick google search finds that "By five years, newborns' ability to recognize and label facial expressions approaches the competence of most adults." Can five year olds appreciate great music or accurately predict which paintings are world famous versus which aren't? Probably not but they are finely tuned to reading facial expressions because of evolutionary programming. In the same way, women are finely tuned to recognising markers of genetic fitness in men's faces. There is probably a slew of studies into what regions of the brain light up when looking at faces.
 
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The lookism-reductionism is a good point.

To answer your final statement, I think that the user base just has less life experience. Threads from circa 2015 Lookism seem to make more nuanced & realistic insights into human behaviour and life in general, whereas here they are more autistic and mechanical. Back then it would have been people migrating from real life to the computer, with much more life experience. Now there are probably people who have basically been rotting on forums for the best part of their teens and have less to base their opinions on.

So basically people used to spend most of their time IRL, and would come onto Lookism and say "I've been noticing some social interactions are a lot more predictable than people say" and now people who have barely been outside are saying "PSL 7 or death".

People like Amnesia have good content because it's anecdotal and picks apart social interactions instead of just repeating these lines which they haven't really experienced.
 
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ok

so basically, there are people who argue "looks are the only thing that matters" which is retarded, there are clearly other factors. and if looks were truly the only thing that matters, then sub8 theory would be the truth
Sub8 theory is the truth or rather sub95% percentile

Some women only get to know very few men so they settle for an average guy or have pity for them
 
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they can sexually select, but i'm saying that it isn't necessarily the "best genes"
What are the"best genes "

Its always measured in percentiles and according to adapting to the environment

Hypergamy is the driver of every market and economy including the sexual market
 
What are the"best genes "

Its always measured in percentiles and according to adapting to the environment

Hypergamy is the driver of every market and economy including the sexual market
To begin with the most salient fact, this is a fundamentally 'cucked' and gynocractic position. To say that women are attracted to the 'best-looking' men is to ascribe to them a superlatively refined aesthetic judgment that no other being possesses, to enthrone them in tribunals that would allow them to pass sentence on a man's physical worth. How they are able to arrive at these conclusions of course no one can say, except by appealing to an occult faculty that 'just is', that allow whores to 'sense' the 'best genes' (best in regard to what? Value judgments do not make sense without a goal as reference). That said, this does not prevent the partisans of l'Ookism from rallying behind it and defending it from all attacks. "Pee pee poo poo nigguh you're just 'coping' ook ook eek eek Chad has smexytime with my 'oneitis' and my mom and my sister all the time aw shit nigguh I wish I was Chad". Pathetic display all around, and that these people should be considered representatives of the 'blackpill' is a disgrace saddled on us all.
 
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Best in regard to Characteristics that matter for their kids surviving and living a good life
Humans existed since 100.000+ years, the last 2000 years were insignificant in terms of evolution so height, muscle, face, dark triad, frame all matter
 
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Stupid thread. Women don't have a refined aesthetic judgement for art because that requires intellectual ability which they lack (Schopenhauer literally says this, and if you read Schopenhauer's theory of genius and art you wouldn't even need him to tell you that). No such intellectual ability is necessary to rate male looks, the preference for which was created through tens of thousands of years of evolution (or in schopenhauer's theory, is the expression of the will of the species). They are not super smart eugenicists using rational thought, it is instinct, which Schopenhauer specifically says in his metaphysics of sexual love. Women are razor-sharp eugenicists but accidentally through instinct, and their selection abilities have been confirmed to be amazing to propogate the race (since natural selection is exactly what created their method of sexual selection). There is no contradiction, and schopenhauer's essay is still a masterpiece where you just look like a narcy fag trying to sound smart.

Your post, other than your attempt at dealing with schopenhauer, could have been summed up with the words "the idea that looks only matter contradicts with normies getting girls". If you said anything outside of this, it's because i didnt read it because i wanted to throw up over your narcy fag writing style.
 
Stupid thread. Women don't have a refined aesthetic judgement for art because that requires intellectual ability which they lack (Schopenhauer literally says this, and if you read Schopenhauer's theory of genius and art you wouldn't even need him to tell you that). No such intellectual ability is necessary to rate male looks, the preference for which was created through tens of thousands of years of evolution (or in schopenhauer's theory, is the expression of the will of the species). They are not super smart eugenicists using rational thought, it is instinct, which Schopenhauer specifically says in his metaphysics of sexual love. Women are razor-sharp eugenicists but accidentally through instinct, and their selection abilities have been confirmed to be amazing to propogate the race (since natural selection is exactly what created their method of sexual selection). There is no contradiction, and schopenhauer's essay is still a masterpiece where you just look like a narcy fag trying to sound smart.

Your post, other than your attempt at dealing with schopenhauer, could have been summed up with the words "the idea that looks only matter contradicts with normies getting girls". If you said anything outside of this, it's because i didnt read it because i wanted to throw up over your narcy fag writing style.
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DNR, of course
learn to do TL DR, looksmax cucks 😡
 
I figure I will be talking today about a topic that might be seen as heresy within this community. Here I will treat the issue of l'Ookism - or looks reductionism - cherished as dogma by so many of the credulous and deceived.

To put the 'blackpill' in the simplest terms, we can summarize it effectively as: 'the average man will not receive the female he deserves'. Why such an uncontroversial statement should then be bounded up with the most ludicrous assertions about the nature of attraction is the matter at hand here and I am not sure of how such cumbersome falsehoods were fastened to it in the first place. We can state looks reductionism as the belief that 'only looks matter' for sexual success, a position so flatly incorrect that it would not even merit a refutation were it not for the fact that so many babbling stooges have become the soldiers of its cause, waving their fingerpainted banner as a grandiose 'theory of everything'.

To begin with the most salient fact, this is a fundamentally 'cucked' and gynocractic position. To say that women are attracted to the 'best-looking' men is to ascribe to them a superlatively refined aesthetic judgment that no other being possesses, to enthrone them in tribunals that would allow them to pass sentence on a man's physical worth. How they are able to arrive at these conclusions of course no one can say, except by appealing to an occult faculty that 'just is', that allow whores to 'sense' the 'best genes' (best in regard to what? Value judgments do not make sense without a goal as reference). That said, this does not prevent the partisans of l'Ookism from rallying behind it and defending it from all attacks. "Pee pee poo poo nigguh you're just 'coping' ook ook eek eek Chad has smexytime with my 'oneitis' and my mom and my sister all the time aw shit nigguh I wish I was Chad". Pathetic display all around, and that these people should be considered representatives of the 'blackpill' is a disgrace saddled on us all.

It does not take especially much work to tear this position to shreds either. Woman is, or should be, universally known as the sex totally without aesthetic judgment. Musically their tastes run exclusively to whorepop, visually they have no taste for majesty and busy themselves with bright and flowery trivialities, their culinary sense is generally dull. They have time and again proven themselves totally incapable of producing a single great work of art, or even appreciating one. But we are supposed to believe they have a supremely refined appreciation of masculine beuaty - why? This is in fact the same mistake that the forerunner of the modern blackpill, Arthur Schopenhauer, is guilty of making. His theory of heredity and sexual attraction is the main deficiency across his entire body of work, and nowhere is this more visible than in his short work 'On Women'. To begin with, we have him repeating points that were made earlier in this post:

The nobler and more perfect a thing is, the later and slower is it in reaching maturity. Man reaches the maturity of his reasoning and mental faculties scarcely before he is eight-and-twenty; woman when she is eighteen; but hers is reason of very narrow limitations. This is why women remain children all their lives, for they always see only what is near at hand, cling to the present, take the appearance of a thing for reality, and prefer trifling matters to the most important.

While later we are blindsided. as if formulated ex nihilo, by the l'Ookist cuckpill:

Nature has made it the calling of the young, strong, and handsome men to look after the propagation of the human race; so that the species may not degenerate. This is the firm will of Nature, and it finds its expression in the passions of women. This law surpasses all others in both age and power. Woe then to the man who sets up rights and interests in such a way as to make them stand in the way of it; for whatever he may do or say, they will, at the first significant onset, be unmercifully annihilated.

This last excerpt is basically the blackpill as promulgated by a site like .co, in all of its 'depth'. I hope it will not be required of me to belabor exactly how fundamental a contradiction lies in these two thoughts - to think that they could issue from the same man - and moreover find inclusion in the same short work! This is not altogether distinct from looks reductionists who want to have their cake and eat it too however. We often see how looks reductionists are torn between inveighing against their 'oppression' while also trying to satisfy their barely repressed masochism. This leads them into the previously mentioned insoluble contradiction, whereby whores are supposed to be 'pee pee poo poo stupid and sheeeeeeit' while also merciless eugenicists with a razor-sharp eye for the differentiating qualities of men.

Before he was unceremoniously banned, the user @micropenis29 made one of the best points I've seen expressed on .co in several progressively degenerating years: l'Ookists, often times people who will in the same breath rave against 'Sub-8 Theory' (usually in order to indulge crybaby cuck fantasies like 'JBW' that are contingent upon it not being valid), do not seem to take their own histrionics seriously. People who make constant reference to OkCupid graphs w/ 5% response rates and testimonials from Reddit whores who only find 1% of men attractive, even go as far as to have the 'women only find 5% of men attractive' graph in their signature; these people will then throw a fit about 'Sub-8 Theory' ("'normies' bang my sister too!) while at the same time holding dogmatically to the l'Ookist 'only looks matter' position. These cannot both be true at the same time though. Which is it?

We also see incoherence crop up in the general refusal to recognize the concept of 'mentalcels'. Often times, they will lead us to believe that any cognitive or behavioral differences we observe between individuals is a result of 'discwimination' based on "lookism" (notice how this dovetails with soycuck BLMcel whining about "opwession" and refusal to acknowledge legitimate racial differences except for 'whypipo bad'). These people will make a big talk of being 'blackpilked' genetic determinists ("GENES are everything budy boyo xD girl can sense GOOD GENE"), but then will become radical blank-slate social constructivists whenever not playing with their hobby horse of "lookism". Evidently, only cosmetic differences are heritable and totally malleable souls without quality are deposited at birth into corporeal husks. Such dogmatic mind-body dualism hasn't been seen since Descartes!

Now on to the denouement: how exactly is the situation resolved? The only logical conclusion from the premises established ("women have bad judgment", "women do not rate many men as appealing based on visual stimulation") is indeed 'Sub-8 Theory' as certain people insist on calling it: women do not find the vast majority of men attractive. They have no sense for aesthetic distinctions except those of a very narrow nature amplified to the highest degree: for a woman to experience physical attraction, a man has to smack her over the head with beauty as it were; below the 99th percentile, a woman's aesthetic discernment rapidly fades to nothing until it experiences revulsion somewhere around the 10th percentile.

This is not to say that 'normies' don't have sex, which has always been a diversion or a childish misunderstanding: it does mean however that such attainments cannot be achieved on the merit of appearance. Where women's truly disordered, and even calculatedly grotesque, judgment shines through is in her social selection of men. Watch how the modern man flips his wrist, constantly clutching a cell phone, as he waxes feminine about 'losers'; watching how he neurotically poses in front of a mirror and calculates his sexual utility (it is no coincidence that l'Ooksmax is full of these whorish types); watch how he slurs his words and hops and bops all around the world to groid music. If a man could actually leverage his basal looks below the 99th percentile, such things would not be happening. Notice this also gives one ground to refute the cuck-cage big boy argument so often used by "traditionalists": "women are only bad now (if at all) because men 'let' them be". In fact it is the opposite. The new form of social competition among men on woman's terms ensures the rapid degeneration of masculine virtue as it forces men to debase themselves by acting gossippy, effeminate, and vacuous.

To open things up to a wider discussion: how did l'Ookism become a dogmatic tenet of the blackpill and what can be done about it?
can u type this in simpler english , i cannot understand anything but i wanna read
 
Looks are the only thing that matters for hookups and casual sex true but for life in general you need to bring everything to the table. You need to be NT, rich, have status etc.
In fact you could argue people cope with just looks because it’s easier to fantasise about. It’s harder to ascend when you have to do things like socialise and work on your social skills in addition to surgery.
agreed , i have more chance of mogging gandy than of becoming a millionaire and getting a good social cirlce
 

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