The Monkey study done on FacePulling

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Understanding the monkey experiments that inspired mewing - My Posture and Orthodontics Blog

Perhaps the aforementioned monkey experiments provide a very compelling argument for mewing. Namely that given proper stimulation facial bones can change even in adults. But, since those experiments were conducted by established academicians how come they never influenced mainstream...

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Interesting article; he states that it was a net loss @CopeAndRope @nelson

 

[Lorsss]

@CopeAndRope get the fuck in here

 

[Deleted member 3990]

@CopeAndRope how does it feel to get tagged in anything related to facepulling

I would deactivate notifications lol

 

[SayNoToRotting]

Even worse, to provide a strong and stable point of pull for the splint screws were drilled into the head of the monkeys to anchor a ring or halo (as it’s referred to in the paper). Emerging out of the halo was a metal rod that the splint attached to with a pressure loaded spring.

Obviously this is not a viable option for humans and as Dr. Nanda explained in a private exchange “there is no absolute anchorage in the anterior region” of the cranium. Without an alternative anchorage method this experiment is of no use to human patients.

The alternative is a neckbrace...

 

[GetThatBread]

@CopeAndRope how does it feel to get tagged in anything related to facepulling

I would deactivate notifications lol

look I know it’s annoying and I feel bad for users spamming him all damn day but I’m just trying to ascend here that’s all. Sitting all day and rotting isn’t the way to live, might as well blow your brains out and get it over with.

 

[Deleted member 3990]

The alternative is a neckbrace...

just drill screws into your occupit

 

[SayNoToRotting]

The second experiment by Dr. David Carlson appeared to offer a better alternative. Instead of using the extra oral anchorage approach a plate was placed between the upper and lower teeth of monkeys. The plate allowed normal food consumption and did not require any invasive procedures to install.


While this approach is more practical the outcome was absolutely not. The experiment achieved some forward and upward displacement but at the cost of creating a large open bite. The plate that was used to stretch the mastication muscles by opening the bite caused the lower teeth to intrude.

Note the arrows pointing downward highlighting the effect of the plate

The outcome was a 1-2mm of forward and upward displacement for a 3mm of open bite, a net loss. The problem does not end there, however. Closing the gap after removing the plate is very difficult and more challenging than achieving the displacement.

This one is interesting to me for a different reason, because this fruitless facepull model seems to work in the mouth the same way thick pieces of mastic gums do, just like the ones I chew on everyday.

So it confirms my suspicions about teeth displacements and open bite, as long as your teeth don't meet while chewing.


This sets it in stone, no matter how hard you chew, your teeth have to meet with every single bite.

 

[GetThatBread]

The alternative is a neckbrace...

How come the neck brace is an alternative? Does that prevent the process from pushing your teeth outward? I.e open bite?

 

[Maxillacel]

Now I get why he is annoyed at me lol

 

[CopeAndRope]

Lol, which one of you wrote this comment?

Understanding the monkey experiments that inspired mewing - My Posture and Orthodontics Blog

Perhaps the aforementioned monkey experiments provide a very compelling argument for mewing. Namely that given proper stimulation facial bones can change even in adults. But, since those experiments were conducted by established academicians how come they never influenced mainstream...

www.aljabri.com

Interesting article; he states that it was a net loss @CopeAndRope @nelson

"A net loss" because the upper jaw was successfully displaced forward while the lower jaw didn't move? How's that a net loss? You achieved your goal, now you need IMDO to move your lower jaw forward and you're set.

 

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Lol, which one of you wrote this comment?
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"A net loss" because the upper jaw was successfully displaced forward while the lower jaw didn't move? How's that a net loss? You achieved your goal, now you need IMDO to move your lower jaw forward and you're set.

It’s confusing though, I thought the displacement allows other bones to follow each other? Like this gif or that’s theoretical

 

[CopeAndRope]

It’s confusing though, I thought the displacement allows other bones to follow each other? Like this gif or that’s theoretical

That happens with mewing over years for pubertycels.

When you apply specific high forces the other bones will follow if "they have to". That means that the zygos have to follow the maxilla more than the mandible because they are attached to it.

What can happen naturally with the mandible is that you can get used to a jutting position to compensate the new overbite.

 

[GetThatBread]

That happens with mewing over years for pubertycels.

When you apply specific high forces the other bones will follow if "they have to". That means that the zygos have to follow the maxilla more than the mandible because they are attached to it.

What can happen naturally with the mandible is that you can get used to a jutting position to compensate the new overbite.

Didn’t you say in another comment that the lower jaw will follow the upper jaw to an extent and then You would have to opt for MSDO/IMDO?

 

[CopeAndRope]

Didn’t you say in another comment that the lower jaw will follow the upper jaw to an extent and then You would have to opt for MSDO/IMDO?

Yes, with that I meant that the mandible will position itself in the new jutting position to allign with the upper jaw, but it'll not be jutting, technically.

 

[GetThatBread]

Yes, with that I meant that the mandible will position itself in the new jutting position to allign with the upper jaw, but it'll not be jutting, technically.

I honestly don’t know if that’s true or not but I’ll take your word for it. What’s the final verdict for FacePulling in general? Are the zygos guaranteed to move along with the maxilla? All this wishful thinking, might as well save up for surgery tbh lol cuz everything isnt set in stone. It’s all maybes and theories

 

[CopeAndRope]

I honestly don’t know if that’s true or not but I’ll take your word for it. What’s the final verdict for FacePulling in general? Are the zygos guaranteed to move along with the maxilla? All this wishful thinking, might as well save up for surgery tbh lol cuz everything isnt set in stone. It’s all maybes and theories

Yes, the zygos will follow. The final verdict is that it works, but if you achieve 10mm of forward growth, you better get imdo.

Surgery is putting your life in the hand of a "qualified stranger" to rearrange your face according to his tastes and parameters because you can explain as much as you want to the surgeon what you want to achieve before the operation, but when the surgery is being performed the only person awake it's him with his bluepilled subconscious biases.

 

[ascendingautist]

That happens with mewing over years for pubertycels.

When you apply specific high forces the other bones will follow if "they have to". That means that the zygos have to follow the maxilla more than the mandible because they are attached to it.

What can happen naturally with the mandible is that you can get used to a jutting position to compensate the new overbite.

Yes but the lower jaw usally isn't long enough AND in a set back position unless we are talking about some very specific form of class iii. that's why ppls may say MSE results are...underhelming. The main purpose of throwing a protraction protocole was to fix class IIIs not to give you an anteface. usually it takes arround 3mm to fix a class III and then they stop protracting.

Protraction is also used to allow your lower jaw to come forward thus clearing the lower airway and eventually fixing TMJ problems but once the mandible doesn't want to come more forward... they stop protracting as well, leaving you with a less recessed but still recessed maxilla and mandible.


Fuck i need a blackpilled MSE provider in europe who would allow me to protract as much as i want, who is ok with me getting 2 rounds of MSE if needed and then get IMDO to close the massive overjet. i haven't contacted mompell, cantarella or moshnik yet but i don't really believe they are blackpilled. Mike mew is probably my best bet because i am 100% sure he would be curious to see how it turns out.

currently moneymaxxing for allowing me to execute this plan, i will also lock my self and protract almost h24 during this period but imagine telling this to an ortho who even considers braces as being "a pain u wnat to get rid off asap" like most normies do JFL

 

[Stare]

He considered it a net loss because orthodontics only care about the bite, they don't give a fuck about the facial aesthetics, that's why lots of people look uglier after orthodontic treatment.

A few millimeters of forward growth is very good for aesthetics, it can fuck up you bit a little but who cares? Face > bite

 

[GetThatBread]

He considered it a net loss because orthodontics only care about the bite, they don't give a fuck about the facial aesthetics, that's why lots of people look uglier after orthodontic treatment.

A few millimeters of forward growth is very good for aesthetics, it can fuck up you bit a little but who cares? Face > bite

An overbite can result in major health problems down the road so is it worth the pain over vanity? If the lower jaw follows to a degree then that’s amazing

 

[strong_silent_type]

stop coping and save up for jaw surgery

imagine wasting your 10 year prime with facepulling jfl

 

[Chadelite]

stop coping and save up for jaw surgery

imagine wasting your 10 year prime with facepulling jfl

im a teenager so it will help me

only need a little be to be psl 7.5

 

[GetThatBread]

stop coping and save up for jaw surgery

imagine wasting your 10 year prime with facepulling jfl

jaw surgery is expensive, invasive, and the recovery time usually takes months. Why go through all that trouble just to have a shit recessed maxilla still as a main issue. A much more important bone

 

[BlackPillChad]

Keep in mind that the net loss occured with this:

"The second experiment by Dr. David Carlson appeared to offer a better alternative. Instead of using the extra oral anchorage approach a plate was placed between the upper and lower teeth of monkeys. "

With an external anchorage (neckbrace or the bow facepuller) this downside did not occur.

That's what the study says at least

 

[EthnicelAscension]

I'm pretty sure Amnesia also did a perma-jut, you just have to learn to add that to your rest face while bringing the maxilla somewhat forward with facepulling. IDK if the Amnesia account on looksmax rn is the same as the chad Amnesia in all the mog battles with Crisick.

 

[Chadelite]

Keep in mind that the net loss occured with this:

"The second experiment by Dr. David Carlson appeared to offer a better alternative. Instead of using the extra oral anchorage approach a plate was placed between the upper and lower teeth of monkeys. "

With an external anchorage (neckbrace or the bow facepuller) this downside did not occur.

That's what the study says at least

this forum is legit 2000000000000000iq

best website i have ever found

I'm pretty sure Amnesia also did a perma-jut, you just have to learn to add that to your rest face while bringing the maxilla somewhat forward with facepulling. IDK if the Amnesia account on looksmax rn is the same as the chad Amnesia in all the mog battles with Crisick.

u only have to jut if u put too much force

 

[EthnicelAscension]

I'm pretty sure Amnesia also did a perma-jut, you just have to learn to add that to your rest face while bringing the maxilla somewhat forward with facepulling. IDK if the Amnesia account on looksmax rn is the same as the chad Amnesia in all the mog battles with Crisick.

Perma jutting to compensate for any new overjet*

u only have to jut if u put too much force

hahaha,

 

[GetThatBread]

stop coping and save up for jaw surgery

imagine wasting your 10 year prime with facepulling jfl

no such thing as prime when you have a good maxilla, ask Brad Pitt. He’s a mummy yet still slays

 

[EthnicelAscension]

no such thing as prime when you have a good maxilla, ask Brad Pitt. He’s a mummy yet still slays

Lol Pitt has statusmaxxed, same thing with Chico now, both can let themselves go and simply lean on their money and status, and women will subconsciously still know that these men were good looking in their prime (aka of good genetic quality).

 

[strong_silent_type]

im a teenager so it will help me

only need a little be to be psl 7.5

your primr already started lol

prime is from 16-25

 

[SayNoToRotting]

stop coping and save up for jaw surgery

imagine wasting your 10 year prime with facepulling jfl

It won't be 10 years, closer to 2 or 3.

Which is also about the time many would take to save up enough money for jaw surgery.

Unmatchable stupidity...

 

[strong_silent_type]

It won't be 10 years, closer to 2 or 3.

Which is also about the time many would take to save up enough money for jaw surgery.

Unmatchable stupidity...

none of the people here will get results with "facepulling". ever

occupational therapy for retards.

the best time for conventional jaw surgery is before 20. after that rate of complications is raising drastically. for distraction Osteogenesis its even earlier

jflol at people who waste this time peroid.

 

[GetThatBread]

none of the people here will get results with "facepulling". ever

occupational therapy for retards.

the best time for conventional jaw surgery is before 20. after that rate of complications is raising drastically. for distraction Osteogenesis its even earlier

jflol at people who waste this time peroid.

you still haven’t found a solution to bettering the maxilla, a far greater bone of importance. Imagine getting double jaw surgery just to have a recessed maxilla along with it. It’ll look extremely off in motion and basically wasted 15-25K for one extra IOI. Slaving your ass off to still get 0 validation from the opposite sex

 

[OOGABOOGA]

@EthnicelAscension hows your thumb pulling going?

 

[EthnicelAscension]

@EthnicelAscension hows your thumb pulling going?

Pretty good, I still hear the noises when I pull, no pain of course, I think I can make legit progress if I just sit down and grind at this for a few months, like I said I'm just gonna pursue like 5-10 mm of extra forward growth, especially since I predict my mandible might not come forward, which leads me to believe that I am gonna have to perma-jut.

 

[OOGABOOGA]

Pretty good, I still hear the noises when I pull, no pain of course, I think I can make legit progress if I just sit down and grind at this for a few months, like I said I'm just gonna pursue like 5-10 mm of extra forward growth, especially since I predict my mandible might not come forward, which leads me to believe that I am gonna have to perma-jut.

Cool man keep it up!

 

[SayNoToRotting]

so basicly


we all monky

 

[Chadelite]

your primr already started lol

prime is from 16-25

I'm a late bloomer

So I'm more like 15.5 yrs old


I will retain looks until I am 60

Look at tyson Beckford

Will do everything I can

Get on trt
Hgh

Surgery on my limbs to put the fluid again

 

[GetThatBread]

Keep in mind that the net loss occured with this:

"The second experiment by Dr. David Carlson appeared to offer a better alternative. Instead of using the extra oral anchorage approach a plate was placed between the upper and lower teeth of monkeys. "

With an external anchorage (neckbrace or the bow facepuller) this downside did not occur.

That's what the study says at least

“The experiment achieved some forward and upward displacement but at the cost of creating a large open bite. The plate that was used to stretch the mastication muscles by opening the bite caused the lower teeth to intrude.”

so it caused an open bite, is there a reason why this happened and Mewers don’t get this? Can it be because they didnt use a neck brace for the monkeys? @CopeAndRope @nelson @SayNoToRotting

 

[GetThatBread]

“The experiment achieved some forward and upward displacement but at the cost of creating a large open bite. The plate that was used to stretch the mastication muscles by opening the bite caused the lower teeth to intrude.”

so it caused an open bite, is there a reason why this happened and Mewers don’t get this? Can it be because they didnt use a neck brace for the monkeys? @CopeAndRope @nelson @SayNoToRotting

@Wincel @SayNoToRotting someone with high IQ reply to this. Can this happen if you use a facepuller?

 

[Darkstrand]

@Wincel @SayNoToRotting someone with high IQ reply to this. Can this happen if you use a facepuller?

Nope, not gonna say it's proven, but there would be nothing leading up to this happening

 

[GetThatBread]

Nope, not gonna say it's proven, but there would be nothing leading up to this happening

I plan on using copes device but idk if it’ll fuck you up more than actually help you

 

[Darkstrand]

I plan on using copes device but idk if it’ll fuck you up more than actually help you

There's nothing indicating it would fuck you up

 

[sloopnoob]

Pretty good, I still hear the noises when I pull, no pain of course, I think I can make legit progress if I just sit down and grind at this for a few months, like I said I'm just gonna pursue like 5-10 mm of extra forward growth, especially since I predict my mandible might not come forward, which leads me to believe that I am gonna have to perma-jut.

update? age?

 

[EthnicelAscension]

update? age?

still around 1-2 mm haven't really been all that consistent because I realized I don't need forwards growth, I need some upwards growth.
Still age 17.