[Method] The Ultimate Guide for Heightmaxxing (Corrections to Wincels Stack Included) (Closed Plate Oldcel Method Included)

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Adam Rainer
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=64084.0

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So, initially, I didn't believe this to be true. It has to be a hoax (or poorly documented story) that somehow got spread into enough scientific literature to be repeated as fact, even on modern Wikipedia.

Here's the summary:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Rainer

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[...] in 1918, at age 19, he was measured at 111.5 cm (3 ft 7.9 in). A typical defining characteristic of dwarfism is an adult height below 147 cm (4 ft 10 in). Then, likely as a result of a pituitary tumor, he had a dramatic growth spurt so that by 1932 at the age of 33 he had reached a height of 218 cm (7 ft 2 in). [...]



Overall, it seems completely unbelievable, and no scientific explanation is offered for such an occurrence. The epiphyseal plates of human legs almost universally close by 16. The literature on the end of spinal growth is still uncertain, but the average seems to be 25 years of age (source).

However, at least one notable person has repeated this story in recent times:

https://www.businessinsider.com/adam-rainer-was-both-a-dwarf-and-a-giant-2015-1

Dr. Lindsey Fitzharris.


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[...] At the age of 21, all this changed. [...] Over the next decade, he grew from just under 4'10'' to a shocking 7'1''. During this period, Rainer also began developing a severe spinal curvature. [...]



Still, nothing matches up. Surely this is an anecdote from times of poor scientific documentation. What condition could cause a man to grow from 4'10 to 7 feet when the main epiphyseal plates responsible for significant growth are already closed? Why no other such case has appeared in scientific literature since then? Pituitary gland tumours aren't extremely rare.

Can anyone with a scientific and/or medical background offer some insight into this matter?
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http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=64084.0

"
So, initially, I didn't believe this to be true. It has to be a hoax (or poorly documented story) that somehow got spread into enough scientific literature to be repeated as fact, even on modern Wikipedia.

Here's the summary:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Rainer

Quote




Overall, it seems completely unbelievable, and no scientific explanation is offered for such an occurrence. The epiphyseal plates of human legs almost universally close by 16. The literature on the end of spinal growth is still uncertain, but the average seems to be 25 years of age (source).

However, at least one notable person has repeated this story in recent times:

https://www.businessinsider.com/adam-rainer-was-both-a-dwarf-and-a-giant-2015-1

Dr. Lindsey Fitzharris.


Quote




Still, nothing matches up. Surely this is an anecdote from times of poor scientific documentation. What condition could cause a man to grow from 4'10 to 7 feet when the main epiphyseal plates responsible for significant growth are already closed? Why no other such case has appeared in scientific literature since then? Pituitary gland tumours aren't extremely rare.

Can anyone with a scientific and/or medical background offer some insight into this matter?
"
"The most important and interesting question is, what happen to his growth plates in early 20s "
 
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Adam Rainer
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=64084.0

"
So, initially, I didn't believe this to be true. It has to be a hoax (or poorly documented story) that somehow got spread into enough scientific literature to be repeated as fact, even on modern Wikipedia.

Here's the summary:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Rainer

Quote





Overall, it seems completely unbelievable, and no scientific explanation is offered for such an occurrence. The epiphyseal plates of human legs almost universally close by 16. The literature on the end of spinal growth is still uncertain, but the average seems to be 25 years of age (source).

However, at least one notable person has repeated this story in recent times:

https://www.businessinsider.com/adam-rainer-was-both-a-dwarf-and-a-giant-2015-1

Dr. Lindsey Fitzharris.


Quote





Still, nothing matches up. Surely this is an anecdote from times of poor scientific documentation. What condition could cause a man to grow from 4'10 to 7 feet when the main epiphyseal plates responsible for significant growth are already closed? Why no other such case has appeared in scientific literature since then? Pituitary gland tumours aren't extremely rare.

Can anyone with a scientific and/or medical background offer some insight into this matter?
"
Someone grew 24 inches after their growth plates closed? Can you show me the study?
 
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There's no study. That's what makes it a mystery.
Is there confirmation that it's true? And someone confirmed the growth plates were closed at 4'11 before anyone could suspect the 24 inch growth spurt?
 
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Is there confirmation that it's true? And someone confirmed the growth plates were closed at 4'11 before anyone could suspect the 24 inch growth spurt?
Confirmation based on his growth plates closing are unknown. It has been stated that he had big feet for his height.
http://www.naturalheightgrowth.com/2012/08/19/increase-height-and-grow-taller-riding-a-stationary-bike/

Biking with raised saddle seat
How it works: It’s believed that by raising the saddle seat of a bicycle a quarter of an inch every 2 to 3 weeks, your hip and knee cartilage (NOT the shin bone) will lengthen in order to adapt to all the stretching and pulling forces.
Experimented by: SkyStatistical Success Rate: Medium (Athletes)
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Very Low (Others)
– Athletes, bodybuilders, or physically active individuals tend to achieve better results than others (physically inactive) when biking with raised saddle seat.Level of Difficulty: Not Easy

Duration:
6 weeks (December 19, 2003 to early February 2004)
Result: Not conclusive. I did not gain any centimeter.
– The result of this experiment is not available due to the fact that I only experimented biking with raised saddle seat for less than six weeks.
Explanation: Although a few had success with raised seat biking; this method of height increase is difficult to perform. Your legs are unlikely balanced while biking and this may cause disproportional legs. Sky and a few others tried biking with raised saddle seat but failed miserably because it’s not easy to balance their legs while sitting on the saddle seat.
Also, the saddle seat always shrinks or compresses down every week due to
the heavy weight of the body that exerts on it. Many believe that they’ve gained a quarter of an inch since they keep raising the saddle seat every week; when in fact, it’s actually the saddle seat shrinking down but NOT the growth in their shin bone or knee.
Evidence: There has NOT been any evidence or any credible success story about anyone who has grown taller by cycling with raised saddle seat. Frankly, if biking really helps to increase height, wouldn’t Lance Armstrong and his Discovery Team be the first to know?
Cycling also provides great benefits for osteoarthritis sufferers. The motion of your legs and hips can actually thicken cartilage in these areas, according to research. And unlike other exercises such as jogging, biking doesn’t wear down your joints. Aim to ride for 30 to 40 minutes three to five times a week at 60 to 90 revolutions per minute (RPMs), the ideal pace for building cartilage, says Theodosakis. (Most stationary bicycles give RPM readouts; you can also buy a counter at a sporting goods store.) If this pace is too challenging, start at a more comfortable pace and quit when you’re tired. You’ll gain speed and endurance over time [FindArticles.com].

Note: There’s a success story being discussed on several height forums about by a guy named “Leo” who claimed that he grew 2.5 inches in 4 months of vigorous biking with raised saddle seat. Well, this story is bogus!
How to bike with raised saddle seat? Click here!
1. December 19th – 26th, 2003: Biking was my very first method that I applied to grow taller. I remembered vividly that it was Christmas 2003 and the weather was so cold in Philly (USA). Everyday, I rode the bike alone with a raised saddle seat for 2-3 hours every night for 7 days straight. Back then, I did not use ankle weights. Anyway, after the first week of biking, I caught a cold, got sick, and was coughing. And worst, I lost my voice and couldn’t speak for a week. As a result, I was forced to stop the biking routine.​
2. January 2004: One week after recovering from that wicked cold, I was a little frustrated because I honestly believed in biking with raised saddle seat. I hated Christmas 2003 and thought it was one of the worst ever! Somehow, I just kept on going. A few days later, I immediately went online to Wal-mart.com Sports & Fitness and purchased a stationary bicycle that cost $78 US.​
Marcy Magnetic Bike
(from Wal-Mart)
Vertically biking…….Horizontally biking​
Gradually, I discovered other methods with ankle weights. I’m wearing 10 pound ankle weight each leg while vertically stationary biking on a raised saddle seat. Also, horizontally biking is much easier than vertically biking because your legs are better balanced.​
5. I customize the bicycle by pulling out the chain & removing the back tire. Then, I anchor the front tire with plastic containers, and put a chair behind the bike to transform it into a stationary bike.​
6. Later on, I found out that the saddle seat of my stationary bike was not high enough. So I customized it. Click here for more info.​
It has been suggested that cycling with raised saddle seat for 18 to 20 miles everyday would increase the shinbone length by 1/4 inch every 2 or 3 weeks. It’s very difficult but someone out there should experiment & report back their progress! Stationary bikes are preferred over traditional bikes because the convenience of cycling indoor regardless of weather conditions. Good stationary bikes can be found at any fitness clubs at the cost of membership subscription, or simply purchase a cheap stationary bike and then customize it as outlined below.

Equipments you need to raise the seat of your stationary bicycle
Tool #1: drill bit
Go to your local hardware store or Home-Depot and find some drill bits.. and choose the one that fits the hole of your stationary bicycle bar.The drill bit I’m using is 11/32” (0.86 cm). It costs about $4.49 @ Ace Hardware Store. The brand is High Speed Steel.
Tool #2: bolts & nutsYou need 4 bolts. The bolts I’m using are 5/16” x 2”. It costs about 52 cents for each @ Home Depot.
Also, you need 4 nuts. The nuts I’m using are 5/16”. It costs about 96 cents for each @ Home Depot.

Tool #3: bolt hub-caps
You need some bolt hub-caps so you can tighten them up with the bolts.
Tool #4: bar
You need a copper, metal, or nylon bar so that you can insert inside the saddle seat bar to lengthen it. It’s very important that you must find a bar that must fit the saddle seat bar perfectly.. if it’s not perfect, the saddle seat will shake when you actually biking.
Tool #5: Of course, you need a stationary bike.. above is the stationary bike that I purchased from Wal-mart. Click here to find out. Or, go to Yahoo.com search engine and find the one that you like.

How Sky customized his stationary bike which he bought online from Wal-mart
Before: This is what the stationary bike looks like before I customize it.After: This is what the bike looks like after I customize it. The saddle bar is now 5 inches longer than before.
Step 1: First, you need to remove the saddle seat from the stationary bike.Step 2: Cut the saddle seat in half.
Step 3: Insert the copper tube in between the 2 cut-ends of the saddle bar..Note: I’m using the copper bar because it fits perfectly into the saddle bar.. you may try copper, nylon, metal, or any other bar so that it will fit the size of the saddle bar.Step 4: Put the bicycle saddle bar on a platform and ready to drill some holes.
Step 5: Then, I use the drill bit size 11/32” to drill 4 holes in between the saddle bar and the copper tube hidden inside.Step 6: Then, get some bolts, nuts, bolt hub-caps..and tighten up the 4 holes.
Step 7a: This is what the saddle bar looks like after it’s complete.. it’s now 5 inches longer than before.Note that the 4 holes that I drill go through both the saddle bar and the copper bar hidden inside. Next, I insert the bolts through both the saddle bar and the copper bar.. and I tighten them up.Step 7b: This is the close-up zoom of the saddle bar and how bolts & nuts are tightened.
Finished product: Mission accomplished!​
Cycling with raised seat success stories
Note: The following success stories are among the best out there. They sound quite credible.1) posted by: Leo
When I was 23 years old I used to cycle to college which was about 10 miles away – so there and back is 20 miles in total. I read somewhere about increasing saddle height so your legs are stretched when you cycle – so it gives a slight pull on the legs. It’s bloody sore to start off with but you get used to it after a week. I done this every day for 4 months (along with plenty of protein drinks) and increased the length of my legs by over 2.5 inches – increasing saddle height 1/4 inch every few weeks. I honestly believe that any one regardless of age can achieve this and more – the legs are literally forced to grow to accommodate all that pulling and stretching.But I never see anyone else singing the praises of cycling to increase height – am I the only one?
Source: http://www.gettaller.da.ru

2) posted by: Anonymous
“Cycling for height”
July 10 2002 at 5:31 AM
Anonymous: Well, I don’t know if this is true but I know I increased the length of my legs a few years ago by doing the cycling exercise whereby you have to make sure your legs are fully stretched. I used to cycle 15 miles a day and the growth was really rapid – and I was 27 years old. I’m surprised this sort of thing isn’t featured more on this forum as it really works.
Ann’s question for anonymous: Was the height you gained in your legs permanent? How much did you gain? So simply cycling should help or are there stretches/exercises for the legs specifically that would get the same results?
Anonymous’ response: Yes it was permanent. I just made sure I cycled every day and I ate a healthy diet supplemented with protein powder. I also got at least 8 hours sleep a night. I just can’t see why all you people find it so hard to increase your height – it’s easy. If you put the effort in and stay healthy then the growth will come. An interesting point is that when I cycled for just 6 to 7 miles a day not much happened but when I cycled 15 miles every day then I really noticed the increase. I used to increase the saddle height 1/4 almost every 2 weeks.
Anonymous’ other post: “It was me who posted that”

Well I’m glad some people took some notice of my post –I haven’t visited this site for a while because nobody seemed interested in this method of height increase. Like I said you have to do a lot of miles almost every day to notice the effect… 5, 6, 7 miles isn’t enough. You must do at least 15 miles of hard cycling and make sure that your legs and feet are stretching every time. If you’re doing it properly – and eating correctly – it should only take a couple of weeks to gain ¼ inch.Obviously the younger you are the better the results you are going to get but you can still get good results no matter how old you are. This is the best method of height increase I know and more people should put the effort in and at least give it a try.
3) posted by: BG
I grew an inch from cycling.. I joined a serious cycling club and did about 40 kms a week. I have grown from under 5’11 to 6’0, my goal is 6’1. I was very pleased with this as I tried 100 other methods including hanging, stretching and basketball, and I never grew a cm.
1 km = 0.621 mile… 40 km = 24.8 miles
4) posted by: 5ft8guy
“Really?”
September 11, 2003, 1:10 AM
For real? you grew by raising the saddle? I used to ride my bike to work and I liked to make my saddle height really high. I was like 5’4.5 or 5’5 when I was 15 and I became 5’8 when I turned 16. then i got my driver’s license and never bike to work again and i never grew anymore. Let me know if you kept on growing by raising the saddle, I wanna know if it really helps! keep this thread updated!
 
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Growing Taller by inhibiting the myostatin gene?

 
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Myostatin and height? They've nothing to do with eachother. Come on. I know height is frustrating because you can't just change your height like you can change your face, complexion, body composition etc. But just accept that genetics is the overarching factor and you will never grow past your genetic height limit range. If you're 5'6-5'7 during mid to late puberty, you've an extremely low chance of being 6'4. My parents are both 5'7 and I'm 6'2. I was always tall, since before puberty. I was the 2nd tallest in my class in my first year of primary school, aged 5. You can blast all the ipamorelin+modgrf in the world at age 17 if you want, and yeah considering your growth plates haven't closed, you might provoke some small spinal/femur growth. MK-677 is pure cope. Real HGH and IGF1 in high doses would work best. Cause some superphysiological GH+IGF spikes and go to your chiropractor very often and get him/her to stretch you out. Do hanging bar / spinal decompression exercises in the gym whilst riding a GH surge for the 30 or so minutes it lasts. But honestly, your time for growth is between 13-17 years old. Eating enough during those years will maximise your chances of reaching the highest end of your genetic height max. Keeping all growth pathways activated during puberty is key, along with getting quality sleep. Who cares if you're a fat fuck at 18. I was, but now I've lost 50lbs+ and counting. So many people tell me in PM that they have a brother who's a fat fuck who plays video games but is 6'1 at 16, while he is 5'9, 18-19 years old and really active, not overweight and a lot more healthy. All these HGH theories don't hold any weight at all with closed plates, and growth plates close at 17-18 years old in the majority of cases. It's very rare for that not to be the case. Simple glucosamine supplementation may help you squeeze out an extra 0.5-1inch in conjunction with spinal decompression exercises and improving posture. You can inject all the HGH you want after your growth plates close but you won't grow another inch in height. Your hands and feet might swell up or even grow, but you won't grow taller. It's so much focus and wasted time/effort and it's all in vain. My opinion wouldn't change even if I was 5'2. Your genetic post-pubescent adult height (range) is genetically determined by your HMG AT-HOOK2 gene and there's no way to alter the state of that gene before puberty. I agree you can find yourself at the lower or higher end of your genetic "range" through good practices, particularly from 13-17 years old and those practices pretty much consist of allowing your body to keep as many anabolic pathways active as possible, pathways that are activated by growth factors, and getting decent sleep.

Wish heightmaxing were a "thing" but it's really misconstrued. If it were as straightforward as some people make it out to be, people would be doing all this CJC + AI crap until they reach their desired height. Reality is, it doesn't work like that. Even if you could modify your HMGA2 gene in 20 years time if DNA modification becomes possible, and you modify it exactly to replicate that of a 6'4 male, you wouldn't just spontaneously grow to 6'4 that very second. Puberty is the chance for growth. Those vital 5 years between 13-17 roughly is where you can do all you can to reach the taller end of your genetic potential. If you're 5'7 or whatever, seriously just don't stress or get bogged down as there's nothing you can do. A lot of others have things a lot worse. Would you want to reincarnate with a HMGA2 gene that allows you to be 6'2+, and have a 1/10PSL face in your new life? No, absolutely not. Blackpill and foids are making people so conscious about their height and it's just something that can't be changed. Seeing people opt for LL surgery is just insane. You can change your skin colour, eye colour, teeth colour, hair colour, body mass, body composition, facial features, implants, fillers, so many things. You just can't change your height, unless you want your legs broken and put back together and be taught to walk again with months of rehab and pain just to be a few inches taller to try impress some foid who will fuck some Chad who's now shorter than you. It's not worth it. Save the hundreds of $ for something else. I'll eat my own words and personally apologise if masses of people show proof of significant height gains through the use of a GHRP. Atleast that'd show me that I'm wrong. If just 1000 people out of the hundreds of millions of sub 5'9 teenage boys "heightmax" to 6'1> at age 17-18 trough the use of GHRPs and Aromatase Inhibitors then I'll not only apologise perfusely, but it'd also be a crazy biological discovery. 1000 people isn't much to ask. It's less than 0.001%. Theoretically for it to be a method it should have atleast some sort of notable success rate. Currently it's more likely to get struck by lightening than to grow taller from this. And I know some people will call me an idiot and lash out at me for saying this. But honestly, don't let something that's out of your control frustrate you so much. Almost every other aspect of looksmaxing is in your control. Face > Height anyway.
 
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Myostatin and height? They've nothing to do with eachother. Come on. I know height is frustrating because you can't just change your height like you can change your face, complexion, body composition etc. But just accept that genetics is the overarching factor and you will never grow past your genetic height limit range. If you're 5'6-5'7 during mid to late puberty, you've an extremely low chance of being 6'4. My parents are both 5'7 and I'm 6'2. I was always tall, since before puberty. I was the 2nd tallest in my class in my first year of primary school, aged 5. You can blast all the ipamorelin+modgrf in the world at age 17 if you want, and yeah considering your growth plates haven't closed, you might provoke some small spinal/femur growth. MK-677 is pure cope. Real HGH and IGF1 in high doses would work best. Cause some superphysiological GH+IGF spikes and go to your chiropractor very often and get him/her to stretch you out. Do hanging bar / spinal decompression exercises in the gym whilst riding a GH surge for the 30 or so minutes it lasts. But honestly, your time for growth is between 13-17 years old. Eating enough during those years will maximise your chances of reaching the highest end of your genetic height max. Keeping all growth pathways activated during puberty is key, along with getting quality sleep. Who cares if you're a fat fuck at 18. I was, but now I've lost 50lbs+ and counting. So many people tell me in PM that they have a brother who's a fat fuck who plays video games but is 6'1 at 16, while he is 5'9, 18-19 years old and really active, not overweight and a lot more healthy. All these HGH theories don't hold any weight at all with closed plates, and growth plates close at 17-18 years old in the majority of cases. It's very rare for that not to be the case. Simple glucosamine supplementation may help you squeeze out an extra 0.5-1inch in conjunction with spinal decompression exercises and improving posture. You can inject all the HGH you want after your growth plates close but you won't grow another inch in height. Your hands and feet might swell up or even grow, but you won't grow taller. It's so much focus and wasted time/effort and it's all in vain. My opinion wouldn't change even if I was 5'2. Your genetic post-pubescent adult height (range) is genetically determined by your HMG AT-HOOK2 gene and there's no way to alter the state of that gene before puberty. I agree you can find yourself at the lower or higher end of your genetic "range" through good practices, particularly from 13-17 years old and those practices pretty much consist of allowing your body to keep as many anabolic pathways active as possible, pathways that are activated by growth factors, and getting decent sleep.

Wish heightmaxing were a "thing" but it's really misconstrued. If it were as straightforward as some people make it out to be, people would be doing all this CJC + AI crap until they reach their desired height. Reality is, it doesn't work like that. Even if you could modify your HMGA2 gene in 20 years time if DNA modification becomes possible, and you modify it exactly to replicate that of a 6'4 male, you wouldn't just spontaneously grow to 6'4 that very second. Puberty is the chance for growth. Those vital 5 years between 13-17 roughly is where you can do all you can to reach the taller end of your genetic potential. If you're 5'7 or whatever, seriously just don't stress or get bogged down as there's nothing you can do. A lot of others have things a lot worse. Would you want to reincarnate with a HMGA2 gene that allows you to be 6'2+, and have a 1/10PSL face in your new life? No, absolutely not. Blackpill and foids are making people so conscious about their height and it's just something that can't be changed. Seeing people opt for LL surgery is just insane. You can change your skin colour, eye colour, teeth colour, hair colour, body mass, body composition, facial features, implants, fillers, so many things. You just can't change your height, unless you want your legs broken and put back together and be taught to walk again with months of rehab and pain just to be a few inches taller to try impress some foid who will fuck some Chad who's now shorter than you. It's not worth it. Save the hundreds of $ for something else. I'll eat my own words and personally apologise if masses of people show proof of significant height gains through the use of a GHRP. Atleast that'd show me that I'm wrong. If just 1000 people out of the hundreds of millions of sub 5'9 teenage boys "heightmax" to 6'1> at age 17-18 trough the use of GHRPs and Aromatase Inhibitors then I'll not only apologise perfusely, but it'd also be a crazy biological discovery. 1000 people isn't much to ask. It's less than 0.001%. Theoretically for it to be a method it should have atleast some sort of notable success rate. Currently it's more likely to get struck by lightening than to grow taller from this. And I know some people will call me an idiot and lash out at me for saying this. But honestly, don't let something that's out of your control frustrate you so much. Almost every other aspect of looksmaxing is in your control. Face > Height anyway.
I was with you until " face > height " which is bullshit because of height requirements. The fact that height requirements exist shows women care about more than face, they wouldn't go out with a short chad but they would probably go with tallfag with a average face depending on his phenotype.
 
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I was with you until " face > height " which is bullshit because of height requirements. The fact that height requirements exist shows women care about more than face, they wouldn't go out with a short chad but they would probably go with tallfag with a average face depending on his phenotype.
There's extremes for both.
 
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Does anybody have an opinion on Relaxin?
https://the-great-work.org/community/main-forum/loosening-the-sutures-ligaments-for-quicker-results/

https://www.naturalheightgrowth.com/2013/12/02/the-connection-between-relaxin-and-possible-height-increase/

http://www.naturalheightgrowth.com/2014/12/29/update-post-breakthrough-chemical-relaxin-bone-remodeling/
" In that previous post, I had said that a Dennis Stewart from Bas Medical had been willing to spend around $5,000 to file a patent for this idea, of using Relaxin to remodel bone sutures and in that Patent (refer back to that post) it was claimed that a local injection of relaxin to the growth plate-bone area would result in as much as 30 cm of bone length increase (12 inches). "
Doesn't work, because if it worked, we would all be using it.
 
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  1. 25mg of mk677 morning and 25mg mk677 night. Every day.
  2. 5000mcg CJC-1295 DAC subQ inject before bed – Monday, Wednesday, Saturday
  3. Hexarelin 100mcg 3x-4x daily for 2 weeks then GHRP-2 100mcg 3x-4x daily for 4 weeks then repeat back to hexarelin and so on.
  4. CJC no DAC 100mcg 3x-4x daily with hexarelin or GHRP2 from number 1.Inject on an empty stomach (waking up or 3 hours after eating) and eat after 30 minutes.
  5. IGF-1 DES injected at the the deltoids (shoulder muscles) 40mcg each side.
  6. SAM-e 1500mg every day.
  7. MSM 1000mg every day.
  8. Glucosamine 1500mg every day.
  9. Chondroitin 1200mg every day.
  10. Flubiprofen 200-300 mg/day divided through 6-12 hours (eg. take 150 morning and 150 night)
  11. 2.5mg letrozole daily
  12. DHT gel on penis twice daily or 11-KDHT one drop on each forearm daily.
  13. Add building blocks if you have extra cash to spend.
inject 3 to 4 times cjc no dac on an empty stomach how?????

number 4 u mean from number 2 so take the ghrp2 or hexarelin at the same time as cjc no dac
 
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i also have to reconstitute this???
 
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10-08-2017, 12:26 PM
A few posters here shill for it. I highly doubt they've used it themselves.

Does it work?

For the purposes he describes (growth of long bones such as clavicles, femur & tibiae), almost certainly not

It's true that BMP-7 is on par with BMP-2 as the most effective means of inducing chondrogenic differentiation in mesenchymal stem cells, which would result in longitudinal bone growth

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17502159
Quote:OBJECTIVE:

In a recent study, we demonstrated that mesenchymal stem cells (MSCs) derived from the synovial membranes of bovine shoulder joints could differentiate into chondrocytes when cultured in alginate. The purpose of the present study was to establish the conditions under which synovial MSCs derived from aging human donors can be induced to undergo chondrogenic differentiation using the same alginate system.

[...]


RESULTS:

BMP-2 induced the chondrogenic differentiation of human synovial MSCs in a dose-dependent manner. The response elicited by BMP-7 was comparable. Both of these agents were more potent than TGF-beta1. A higher level of BMP-2-induced chondrogenic differentiation was achieved in the absence than in the presence of serum. In the presence of dexamethasone, the BMP-2-induced expression of mRNAs for aggrecan and type-II collagen was suppressed; the weaker TGF-beta1-induced expression of these chondrogenic markers was not obviously affected.​
Quote:The objective of this study was to examine in vitro the influence of recombinant human osteogenic protein-1 [rhOP-1, or bone morphogenetic protein-7 (BMP-7)] on cartilage formation by human and goat perichondrium tissue containing progenitor cells with chondrogenic potential. Fragments of outer ear perichondrium tissue were embedded in clotting autologous blood to which rhOP-1 had been added or not added (controls), and the resulting explant was cultured for 3 weeks without further addition of rhOP-1. Cartilage formation was monitored biochemically by measuring [35S]-sulphate incorporation into proteoglycans and histologically by monitoring the presence of metachromatic matrix with cells in nests. The presence of rhOP-1 in the explant at the beginning of culture stimulated [35S]-sulphate incorporation into proteoglycans in a dose-dependent manner after 3 weeks of culture. Maximal stimulation was reached at 40 microg/mL (human explants: +148%; goat explants: +116%). Histology revealed that explants treated with 20-200 microg/mL of rhOP-1, but not untreated control explants, contained areas of metachromatic-staining matrix with chondrocytes in cell nests. It was concluded that rhOP-1 stimulates differentiation of cartilage from perichondrium tissue. The direct actions of rhOP-1 on perichondrium cells in the stimulation of chondrocytic differentiation and production of cartilage matrix in vitro provides a cellular mechanism for the induction of cartilage formation by rhOP-1 in vivo. Thus rhOP-1 may promote early steps in the cascade of events leading to cartilage formation and could prove to be an interesting factor in the regeneration of cartilage in articular cartilage defects.​
However, this doesn't matter because:

1) if your epiphyseal cartilage has ossified ("growth plates are closed"), there are not sufficient mesenchymal stem cells left to differentiate into chondrocytes, so even if the compound worked 100% as advertised, your bones would not be visibly lengthened

2) as corollary to 1) we can derive that even if the compound worked as advertised, you would first have to devise a way to transdifferentiate your ossified epiphyseal cartilage BACK into cartilage, and then BACK into mesenchymal stem cells, effectively reversing the process of biological aging/maturation; I hardly need to point out that if there existed technology that made this possible, none of us would be posting on this forum right now because everyone would be able to fix every physical flaw they had with a simple series of injections

3) again, even if the compound worked as advertised, the route of administration for the compound is intra-articular injection, which is NOTHING like the brain-dead easy subcutaneous rHGH/peptide and intramuscular androgenic anabolic steroid injections that the posters here may or may not have done before. Fuck up a subcutaneous injection and you end up in your doctor's office with an abcess. Fuck up an intra-articular injection and you lose a limb. Additionally, intra-articular injections are much more painful than even poorly performed AAS injections, and most posters here are too afraid of pain to even go through with those. In short: nobody here is going to do this.

4) the compound does NOT work as advertised. Even if by some miracle one of you actually worked up the courage to go through with an intra-articular injection AND actually did it right, all that will happen is you'll induce local inflammation due to the injection process, resulting in the few mesenchymal stem cells remaining within the slivers of cartilage at the end of the epiphyses converting directly into osteoblasts rather than chondrocytes. Again, you would have to somehow ensure that the MSCs convert into chondrocytes and NOT osteoblasts, which is something beyond the power of a simple injection of BMP-7

Not to mention all 4 points above are made under the assumption that what you are injecting is actually BMP-7, which is not at all a likely proposition given the dubious reputation of the seller of the compound (russianstarpeptides). Given that he was too stupid to properly manage to shill his product by posing as multiple different people (he was exposed by multiple sources, Google if interested), I'd say it's much more likely that you're injecting chinese bathtub water bought wholesale off Alibaba than actual BMP-7

In short, no, it won't work.​
 
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Myostatin and height? They've nothing to do with eachother. Come on. I know height is frustrating because you can't just change your height like you can change your face, complexion, body composition etc. But just accept that genetics is the overarching factor and you will never grow past your genetic height limit range. If you're 5'6-5'7 during mid to late puberty, you've an extremely low chance of being 6'4. My parents are both 5'7 and I'm 6'2. I was always tall, since before puberty. I was the 2nd tallest in my class in my first year of primary school, aged 5. You can blast all the ipamorelin+modgrf in the world at age 17 if you want, and yeah considering your growth plates haven't closed, you might provoke some small spinal/femur growth. MK-677 is pure cope. Real HGH and IGF1 in high doses would work best. Cause some superphysiological GH+IGF spikes and go to your chiropractor very often and get him/her to stretch you out. Do hanging bar / spinal decompression exercises in the gym whilst riding a GH surge for the 30 or so minutes it lasts. But honestly, your time for growth is between 13-17 years old. Eating enough during those years will maximise your chances of reaching the highest end of your genetic height max. Keeping all growth pathways activated during puberty is key, along with getting quality sleep. Who cares if you're a fat fuck at 18. I was, but now I've lost 50lbs+ and counting. So many people tell me in PM that they have a brother who's a fat fuck who plays video games but is 6'1 at 16, while he is 5'9, 18-19 years old and really active, not overweight and a lot more healthy. All these HGH theories don't hold any weight at all with closed plates, and growth plates close at 17-18 years old in the majority of cases. It's very rare for that not to be the case. Simple glucosamine supplementation may help you squeeze out an extra 0.5-1inch in conjunction with spinal decompression exercises and improving posture. You can inject all the HGH you want after your growth plates close but you won't grow another inch in height. Your hands and feet might swell up or even grow, but you won't grow taller. It's so much focus and wasted time/effort and it's all in vain. My opinion wouldn't change even if I was 5'2. Your genetic post-pubescent adult height (range) is genetically determined by your HMG AT-HOOK2 gene and there's no way to alter the state of that gene before puberty. I agree you can find yourself at the lower or higher end of your genetic "range" through good practices, particularly from 13-17 years old and those practices pretty much consist of allowing your body to keep as many anabolic pathways active as possible, pathways that are activated by growth factors, and getting decent sleep.

Wish heightmaxing were a "thing" but it's really misconstrued. If it were as straightforward as some people make it out to be, people would be doing all this CJC + AI crap until they reach their desired height. Reality is, it doesn't work like that. Even if you could modify your HMGA2 gene in 20 years time if DNA modification becomes possible, and you modify it exactly to replicate that of a 6'4 male, you wouldn't just spontaneously grow to 6'4 that very second. Puberty is the chance for growth. Those vital 5 years between 13-17 roughly is where you can do all you can to reach the taller end of your genetic potential. If you're 5'7 or whatever, seriously just don't stress or get bogged down as there's nothing you can do. A lot of others have things a lot worse. Would you want to reincarnate with a HMGA2 gene that allows you to be 6'2+, and have a 1/10PSL face in your new life? No, absolutely not. Blackpill and foids are making people so conscious about their height and it's just something that can't be changed. Seeing people opt for LL surgery is just insane. You can change your skin colour, eye colour, teeth colour, hair colour, body mass, body composition, facial features, implants, fillers, so many things. You just can't change your height, unless you want your legs broken and put back together and be taught to walk again with months of rehab and pain just to be a few inches taller to try impress some foid who will fuck some Chad who's now shorter than you. It's not worth it. Save the hundreds of $ for something else. I'll eat my own words and personally apologise if masses of people show proof of significant height gains through the use of a GHRP. Atleast that'd show me that I'm wrong. If just 1000 people out of the hundreds of millions of sub 5'9 teenage boys "heightmax" to 6'1> at age 17-18 trough the use of GHRPs and Aromatase Inhibitors then I'll not only apologise perfusely, but it'd also be a crazy biological discovery. 1000 people isn't much to ask. It's less than 0.001%. Theoretically for it to be a method it should have atleast some sort of notable success rate. Currently it's more likely to get struck by lightening than to grow taller from this. And I know some people will call me an idiot and lash out at me for saying this. But honestly, don't let something that's out of your control frustrate you so much. Almost every other aspect of looksmaxing is in your control. Face > Height anyway.
the fact that you're 6'2 and you're saying how it can not gives off the vibe that you don't want people shorter than you to be taller than you.

you also implied that it could work during puberty, so what's the point of typing all this?

prolong your growth plates closing, and use mk677
 
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make sure to report to us any changes, also how old r u at 5'4?
15 bro i’m predicted at around 5’5-5’7
make sure to report to us any changes, also how old r u at 5'4?
I’m also hoping to get on proper Pharma grade GH at some point if I can hopefully get the money :((
 
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Preface:
Many members here are young and want to increase their height. And I have been asked by many about peptides.
I will attempt to write a comprehensive thread on what are my findings are so far.

Disclaimer:
This guide is completely experimental so I am not responsible for any thing that happens. I am going to attempt it myself nonetheless.
I also don't guarantee any results. DrTony wrote about the impossibility of augmenting height in men with no disorders. However, this thread is for any off chance of it happening. As increasing height with hyaline cartilage hypertrophy and

Introduction:
The guide will not get into technicalities and cite every study supporting our decisions, because there is not enough time. And the thread is already delayed as it is. I will try to make this thread as brief as possible.
Method 3 is for oldcels. Height augmentation would be from cartilage hypertrophy.

Method 1 (Correction to @Wincel stack):


The thread had a huge audience. However, there was some fundamental errors in wincel's method.

1. Niacin was incorrectly used for GH boost.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5360541/
In this article it is show that niacin must be take at 500mg every hour for 3 hours to have any effect on GH.
That much however, isn't feasible for the average person. So it will be removed.

2. The use of melatonin.
Melatonin was used as an AI. While it does block estrogen, it is not enough to be used as an AI for growth.
Melatonin is a good addition for sleep eitherways, so feel free to use it. Aromasin or arimidex will be used instead.

3. The absence of huperzine A.
Huperzine A is a somatostatin (HGH release inhibitor) inhibitor. That means it will allow us to get more HGH release from ibutamoren/mk677 due to the removal of HGH inhibitor somatostatin.

4. The addition of other supplements as temporary GH boosters.
L-dopa comes with many risks. And it is unknown if the spike by GABA is enough. So natural GH secretagogues will be dropped here.

The stack will then look like the following:
  1. Take mk677 25mg before bed (feel free to use melatonin or not)
  2. Aromasin 25mg every day. It can be reduced to 12.5mg every other day as well in case of harsh side effect.
  3. Huperzine A, Ideally 300mcg morning and 400mcg night every day. Minimum is 200mcg every night.
Method 2(@Madness systemic peptide stack):

This is a good method. Just needs an AI with it. Aromasin, arimidex, or letrozole will suffice.

Method 3 (My method)(Includes closed plates):
Here we will attempt to make the most hardcore stack.

A. Elevation of systemic levels(baseline) of HGH and IGF-1:

  1. 25mg of mk677 morning and 25mg mk677 night. Every day.
  2. CJC-1295 DAC subQ inject before bed – Monday, Wednesday, Saturday (from madness)
B. Creating artificial peaks throughout the day:
  1. Hexarelin 100mcg 3x-4x daily for 2 weeks then GHRP-2 100mcg 3x-4x daily for 4 weeks then repeat back to hexarelin and so on.
  2. CJC no DAC 100mcg 3x-4x daily with hexarelin or GHRP2 from number 1.
Inject on an empty stomach (waking up or 3 hours after eating) and eat after 30 minutes.

C. IGF-1:
IGF-1 DES injected at the the deltoids (shoulder muscles) 40mcg each side every day for frame growth.

D. DNA methylation
Loss of DNA methylation will close your growth plates. This is what sets the limit to how you grow. So we need to increase it.
https://joe.bioscientifica.com/view/journals/joe/186/1/1860241.xml


SAM-e and MSM will be used to promote DNA methylation.
https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/76/5/1151S/4824259


SAM-e 1500mg every day.
MSM 1000mg every day.

E. Increasing growth plate proliferation
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4286662/

Glucosamine 1500mg every day.
Chondroitin 1200mg every day.

Methods D and E work synergistically and increase the chances of growth.

F. Flurbiprofen
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3248202

Basically k2 mk4 on roids.


Dosage: Flubiprofen 200-300 mg/day divided through 6-12 hours (eg. take 150 morning and 150 night)
Make sure to consume good amounts of water with it.

G. Aromatase Inhibition
From my research I have noticed that.
  1. If you are going on a light HGH stack then arimidex or aromasin is best.
  2. If you are going on a stack with insane amounts of HGH then letrozole is the best.
I observed that from clinical trials and papers.
Madness and Wincels stack would need arimidex or aromasin.
My stack will need letrozole.
Any AI can be used, but for maximum results refer to the above.

Dosage:
Aromasin: choose from 12.5mg one day on one day off till 25mg everyday. (your choice)
Arimidex 1mg per day.
Letrozole: choose from 0.5 mg one day on one day off till 2.5mg daily. (I am taking 2.5mg daily)
Start from lowest dosages and increase till what you see fit.

H. Androgens
To promote masculine growth and dimorphism use:
DHT gel on penis or 11-KDHT drops on forearms.

I. Building blocks (optional)
Vitamin D 10kIU per day
Vitamin k2 mk4 45mg per day
Magnesium 400mg per day
Zinc 50mg per day
Calcium 2g per day
Boron 9mg per day

J. Insulin(experimental)(optional):
When insulin is combined with IGF-1, the results for muscle growth and bone mineral deposition is synergistic.
This addition however, risks hyperinsulemia if not done properly. I was stuck here in my research but decided to not allow this part to delay the making of this guide any further. If you would like to continue from this point then:

1. Check if the components above raise the systemic levels of TGFB3 enough. If it is not then you will have to look for other methods.
mk677 and GHRP-2 do raise this well.

2. Check if the components above have enough pi3k pathway agonism. If not then either settle for metformin or find a chemical that does this. IGF-1 and exercise do activate pi3k-Akt.

I would recommend you leave this part unless you are experimenting hard.

Method 4(classical):
7.5-10 IU HGH 2x a day
2.5mg letrozole daily
D and E from method 3

Conclusion:

To sum my own stack up in one place




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I am thinking of using testosterone enthanate instead of DHT gel because testosterone has been shown to increase height velocity (though not final height) and I want to get height gains quicker. I'm using anastrozole so I don't think it would cause an adverse effect on epiphyseal maturation. What do you think?

I'm gonna be running PCT with SERMs to save my balls, I can't afford HcG though.
 
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Method 1 is unlikely to make you grow and Method 2 & 3 are expensive as fuck. I guarantee you that no normal teenager ranging from the age of 13-18 can afford that shit.
 
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You should add “Richcels only” in the title lol
@NickGurr
Glucosamine, Chondroitin and aromatase inhibitors are pretty cheap, this is enought to slow down your plate closure
Preface:
Many members here are young and want to increase their height. And I have been asked by many about peptides.
I will attempt to write a comprehensive thread on what are my findings are so far.

Disclaimer:
This guide is completely experimental so I am not responsible for any thing that happens. I am going to attempt it myself nonetheless.
I also don't guarantee any results. DrTony wrote about the impossibility of augmenting height in men with no disorders. However, this thread is for any off chance of it happening. As increasing height with hyaline cartilage hypertrophy and

Introduction:
The guide will not get into technicalities and cite every study supporting our decisions, because there is not enough time. And the thread is already delayed as it is. I will try to make this thread as brief as possible.
Method 3 is for oldcels. Height augmentation would be from cartilage hypertrophy.

Method 1 (Correction to @Wincel stack):


The thread had a huge audience. However, there was some fundamental errors in wincel's method.

1. Niacin was incorrectly used for GH boost.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5360541/
In this article it is show that niacin must be take at 500mg every hour for 3 hours to have any effect on GH.
That much however, isn't feasible for the average person. So it will be removed.

2. The use of melatonin.
Melatonin was used as an AI. While it does block estrogen, it is not enough to be used as an AI for growth.
Melatonin is a good addition for sleep eitherways, so feel free to use it. Aromasin or arimidex will be used instead.

3. The absence of huperzine A.
Huperzine A is a somatostatin (HGH release inhibitor) inhibitor. That means it will allow us to get more HGH release from ibutamoren/mk677 due to the removal of HGH inhibitor somatostatin.

4. The addition of other supplements as temporary GH boosters.
L-dopa comes with many risks. And it is unknown if the spike by GABA is enough. So natural GH secretagogues will be dropped here.

The stack will then look like the following:
  1. Take mk677 25mg before bed (feel free to use melatonin or not)
  2. Aromasin 25mg every day. It can be reduced to 12.5mg every other day as well in case of harsh side effect.
  3. Huperzine A, Ideally 300mcg morning and 400mcg night every day. Minimum is 200mcg every night.
Method 2(@Madness systemic peptide stack):

This is a good method. Just needs an AI with it. Aromasin, arimidex, or letrozole will suffice.

Method 3 (My method)(Includes closed plates):
Here we will attempt to make the most hardcore stack.

A. Elevation of systemic levels(baseline) of HGH and IGF-1:

  1. 25mg of mk677 morning and 25mg mk677 night. Every day.
  2. CJC-1295 DAC subQ inject before bed – Monday, Wednesday, Saturday (from madness)
B. Creating artificial peaks throughout the day:
  1. Hexarelin 100mcg 3x-4x daily for 2 weeks then GHRP-2 100mcg 3x-4x daily for 4 weeks then repeat back to hexarelin and so on.
  2. CJC no DAC 100mcg 3x-4x daily with hexarelin or GHRP2 from number 1.
Inject on an empty stomach (waking up or 3 hours after eating) and eat after 30 minutes.

C. IGF-1:
IGF-1 DES injected at the the deltoids (shoulder muscles) 40mcg each side every day for frame growth.

D. DNA methylation
Loss of DNA methylation will close your growth plates. This is what sets the limit to how you grow. So we need to increase it.
https://joe.bioscientifica.com/view/journals/joe/186/1/1860241.xml


SAM-e and MSM will be used to promote DNA methylation.
https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/76/5/1151S/4824259


SAM-e 1500mg every day.
MSM 1000mg every day.

E. Increasing growth plate proliferation
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4286662/

Glucosamine 1500mg every day.
Chondroitin 1200mg every day.

Methods D and E work synergistically and increase the chances of growth.

F. Flurbiprofen
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3248202

Basically k2 mk4 on roids.


Dosage: Flubiprofen 200-300 mg/day divided through 6-12 hours (eg. take 150 morning and 150 night)
Make sure to consume good amounts of water with it.

G. Aromatase Inhibition
From my research I have noticed that.
  1. If you are going on a light HGH stack then arimidex or aromasin is best.
  2. If you are going on a stack with insane amounts of HGH then letrozole is the best.
I observed that from clinical trials and papers.
Madness and Wincels stack would need arimidex or aromasin.
My stack will need letrozole.
Any AI can be used, but for maximum results refer to the above.

Dosage:
Aromasin: choose from 12.5mg one day on one day off till 25mg everyday. (your choice)
Arimidex 1mg per day.
Letrozole: choose from 0.5 mg one day on one day off till 2.5mg daily. (I am taking 2.5mg daily)
Start from lowest dosages and increase till what you see fit.

H. Androgens
To promote masculine growth and dimorphism use:
DHT gel on penis or 11-KDHT drops on forearms.

I. Building blocks (optional)
Vitamin D 10kIU per day
Vitamin k2 mk4 45mg per day
Magnesium 400mg per day
Zinc 50mg per day
Calcium 2g per day
Boron 9mg per day

J. Insulin(experimental)(optional):
When insulin is combined with IGF-1, the results for muscle growth and bone mineral deposition is synergistic.
This addition however, risks hyperinsulemia if not done properly. I was stuck here in my research but decided to not allow this part to delay the making of this guide any further. If you would like to continue from this point then:

1. Check if the components above raise the systemic levels of TGFB3 enough. If it is not then you will have to look for other methods.
mk677 and GHRP-2 do raise this well.

2. Check if the components above have enough pi3k pathway agonism. If not then either settle for metformin or find a chemical that does this. IGF-1 and exercise do activate pi3k-Akt.

I would recommend you leave this part unless you are experimenting hard.

Method 4(classical):
7.5-10 IU HGH 2x a day
2.5mg letrozole daily
D and E from method 3

Conclusion:

To sum my own stack up in one place




View attachment 35692


Requested tags:
@Bluepill @kobecel @dogtown @Wool @Coping @The Dude Abides @Facial AESTHETICS @Blitz @fobos @dodt @Madness @mido the slayer @Legitcel @CupOfCoffee @KrissKross @LightingFraud @Paretocel @Zeus @Saturn @psycophsez @xom @Ogreload @JellyBelly @OCDMaxxing @SirHiss


Glucosamine, Chondroitin and anti-metilation drugs can reopen growth plates in adults (20+ years old) or they just work for guys in late puberty (until 20 years old)?
 
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@NickGurr
Glucosamine, Chondroitin and aromatase inhibitors are pretty cheap, this is enought to slow down your plate closure

Glucosamine, Chondroitin and anti-metilation drugs can reopen growth plates in adults (20+ years old) or they just work for guys in late puberty (until 20 years old)?
Re-open growth plates? what the hell!
Re-open growth plates? what the hell!
They just help ease joint pain and mobility. How are they going to un-fuse epithelilal plates? Is it even possible to "un-fuse" growth plates? I didn't know that.
 
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Okay guys, I am 5 feet 6.2 inches tall (measured at approximately noontime) and 16 years, 3 months old. I have grown only one inch in the last three years.

I have been using 25 mg Mk-677 daily and 1 mg anastrozole daily for the past one week. I'll update you guys on any changes by next week. I bought my stuff from https://science.bio/ and I think both the anastrozole and Mk-677 are bunk because I have experienced no sides until now.

I'm planning on starting 1 gram of testosterone per week around 7/15/19 and I'll buy letro and aromasin as well. I'm planning to buy off of https://steroidify.com/ and I'm planning to buy a testosterone blend (test prop, ethn, and cyp). I'll update you guys on the exact details of my purchases later and I'll tell you guys my experience using them.

The testosterone in itself will increase height velocity and growth hormone levels. Used in conjuction with an AI, it will increase final adult height. I'm going to be taking letrozole every day and I'll take a little extra on the first week just so that I can crash my estrogen to test whether it is fake or not. Once my letro comes to an end, I'll use aromasin to avoid the rebound. i'm probably gonna PCT by blasting HcG 6 weeks before I stop taking test, and I'll get off the HcG once the exogenous testosterone is out of my system.

In all honesty I don't really have it too bad because I have pretty good genetics when it comes to everything except my height, so I basically have chadlet potential. I'm a fatfuck though so I'm wasting that potential. I'm gonna play it safe by recomping my body using test, since I know that test is gonna give me muscle gains and increase my sexual dimorphism since I'm still in puberty. I'm honestly a bit skeptical about this whole height-increasing stack. But at the same time I don't wanna stunt my growth, so I'm using testosterone. I was considering oxandrolone because it has been shown to possibly increase height, but the research behind that is kind of ambivalent. Test plus AI has been shown to increase adult height, but I don't think it has been tested at 1 gram a week.

Anyways, I hope I grow at least an inch by December.
 

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