Would this be better (MSE and jaw surgery)

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Apparently you need braces before jaw surgery for 1-2 years

Would it just be better to get mse and msdo, then invaslign after, then be able to get jaw surgery straight away with out braces? Would take a lot less time
 
is MSDO superior than jaw surgery? Only thing it doesn’t do is bring the mandible forward
 
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does msdo broaden the mandible? like get bigonial width to match bizygomatic width?
 
Yes im pretty sure this is possible

MSDO barely widens the back, it almost only widens the chin and increases the distance between the canine
is MSDO superior than jaw surgery? Only thing it doesn’t do is bring the mandible forward


well, MSDO is jaw surgery. Only a different type.
 
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MSE + facepuller >>> invisalign >>> double jaw/bimax

this is the plan an actual maxiofacial surgeon came up for me, so yes you are on the right path (also it seems like we both are in the same boat and will be doing the same surgeries lol)
That will ascend you hard as fuck, son. Good luck.
 
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That will ascend you hard as fuck, son. Good luck.
If anyone gets that and is a bonecel, will ascend HARD,
 
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MSE + facepuller >>> invisalign >>> double jaw/bimax

this is the plan an actual maxiofacial surgeon came up for me, so yes you are on the right path (also it seems like we both are in the same boat and will be doing the same surgeries lol)

The “>>>”means in succession not greater than right? If so, I believe that is the same order that I will be going in.
 
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MSDO barely widens the back, it almost only widens the chin and increases the distance between the canine



well, MSDO is jaw surgery. Only a different type.
What to expect at 7mm I’m getting 12 so the numbers will increase
 

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If anyone gets that and is a bonecel, will ascend HARD,
Imagine if someone with a good base gets that. I think that's my case. I have pretty decent bone structure, but nothing insane.

I plan on getting that when I have the money or if I can convince my parents.
 
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Imagine if someone with a good base gets that. I think that's my case. I have pretty decent bone structure, but nothing insane.

I plan on getting that when I have the money or if I can convince my parents.
Bro do anything to get it

Dont cope

Steal if you have to
Work
Fuck people over
Nothing matters but face
 
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MSDO barely widens the back, it almost only widens the chin and increases the distance between the canine
Im more interested in the back part, is there anything other than implants or fillers that can achieve that?
 
View attachment 280829i have a great base tbh and apparently in the "consult" I was told that I can achieve Marcello Alvarez look thru these procedures
Mse and msdo with almond eye surgery would make you look like him alone

Bimax or lefort would make u mog him

Implants would make u gigamog him
 
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Bro the said part is that I'm very high inhib when it comes to eye surgery (I literally lives 15 minutes from Dr. Taban office)
But idk if I should? I'll def look into UEE fat grafts

Are you getting almond eye surgery?
Oh bro let me come stay with u when i come see taban 😛😛😛

No i dont need eye surgery badly im going for mse msdo first face bow, then bimax or lefort, after that recover for a year then implants and rhino, thats it for me really, anything else wouldnt really ascend me and just be a bonus that nobody irl will ever care about let alone notice
 
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MSE + facepuller >>> invisalign >>> double jaw/bimax

this is the plan an actual maxiofacial surgeon came up for me, so yes you are on the right path (also it seems like we both are in the same boat and will be doing the same surgeries lol)
Roughly the same plan I was given... Did you go to ting yourself mate? He wants to give me braces rather than invisalign?
 
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OffTopic question, but is Invisalign better than traditional braces? And why?
 
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correct bro. have u found a ortho for MSE (mine is charging $7000 US dollars but he will do MSE+invisalign)

I have found an Ortho who is very experienced with MSE to handle that and the pre-surgery invisalign/braces. My meeting with what is hopefully is a top tier surgeon is in 2 weeks where I'll find out specific movements that need to be done during surgery (long-face syndrome problem). Idk if its allowed on this forum but can you pm the timeline and pricing that you received?
 
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I have found an Ortho who is very experienced with MSE to handle that and the pre-surgery invisalign/braces. My meeting with what is hopefully is a top tier surgeon is in 2 weeks where I'll find out specific movements that need to be done during surgery (long-face syndrome problem). Idk if its allowed on this forum but can you pm the timeline and pricing that you received?
Can you have Invisalign during MSE?
 
Can you have Invisalign during MSE?

I don’t think so bc you’d be having two opposing forces on ur teeth but ask ur Ortho if u wanna make sure
 
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I don’t think so bc you’d be having two opposing forces on ur teeth but ask ur Ortho if u wanna make sure
How long would it take to the close the gaps? MSDO takes about 7-10 days to expand then it takes 90 days for the bone to consolidate
 
How long would it take to the close the gaps? MSDO takes about 7-10 days to expand then it takes 90 days for the bone to consolidate

Sorry I’m not very sure bc my post MSE orthodontics will also be in preparation for double jaw surgery (most likely) so it wouldn’t apply to you
 
MSE + facepuller >>> invisalign >>> double jaw/bimax

this is the plan an actual maxiofacial surgeon came up for me, so yes you are on the right path (also it seems like we both are in the same boat and will be doing the same surgeries lol)
What is invalisign?
 
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haha deal if its during summer, we can drink liquor go to bars and plan surgery (sounds like a good time tbh :lul: )

fuarkkk ur plan sounds legit af, WHATEVER IT FUCKING TAKES

Haha bro im muslimcel but im more white than white people

We can still hit up the bars tho
 
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yes, also since u are 16 i would choose invisalign over metal braces since they might fuck up your dental arch width
My current metal braces are used to fix deep bite and inwards tilt of teeth and make them perfevtly straight overall
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Btw im 16 i wear my current ones for 4 more months and then ill have perfect occlusion
What order would you recommend me?
Can i get jaw surgery without braces? Definitely need mse and jaw surgery
 
MSE ------> invisalign-------> jaw surgery ------> implants (finishing touches; optional)
So the invalisign after the mse can also fix the diastema caused by mse AND prepare teeth for jaw surgery at the same time?
 
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yes thats why most ortho's bundle MSE + Invisalign

Also im planning to cycle HGH/DHT + Vit D3 and K2 during MSE which will give GIGAMOGGER results im sure.

Ascension or death bro, don't give up
Will you use msdo or sfot for lower expansion?
Whos your msdo/mse surgeon?

Heard one could also use braces for lower teeth to change the teeth imclination if i only expanded 7-8mm max with mse so that upper teeth meet lower but my orthodontist told me that isnt possible
 
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won't need MSDO bc my ortho said I wont need it, which is great bc I can spend the money that I would've spent on MSDO into getting bimax.

i'll PM u my ortho if you want? Do you live in US btw or some other country?
No Europe
I also have a mse specialist who likely also does msdo but hes bluepilled

Please pm
 
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I'd refer you to @Sergio-OMS, he does MSE in Spain. You can PM him for prices
Nice

Ngl my current mse candidate would think im an autist if i claimed i have small oral volume

Wilmes

- " Sure bro ill expand with mse and msdo"
 
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Well MSE is one of those rare procedures that almost everyone can benefit from, but since your goals are aesthetic (as are mine) you need to make sure that MSE atleast expands you 6mms. I'm going for 10mms

3mm expansion won't be noticeable imo tbh
Ill unfortunately need msdo


@Sergio-OMS
How much does MSE + MSDO + Invisalign cost approximately if i got it from you?
 
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