so basically you move the jaw and the lower maxilla forward done
Just copy paste this into a thread slightly reformat it and call it a guide honestly
I see how it could look that way but I just wrote that right now because I have nothing else to doJust copy paste this into a thread slightly reformat it and call it a guide honestly
I don't know what it is but looks useful
Woah , thanks so much for the detailed reply my friend. So your saying chewing could lengthen my ramus?
Precisely, but a lot of visual change is due to masseter hypertrophy
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Only superficial/lower masseter hypertrophy will do that and look good.Precisely, but a lot of visual change is due to masseter hypertrophy
Chewing works and can even change your gonial angle.
The goal of chewing is to get masseter hypertrophy. Good jawlines like Brad Pitt's are the direct result of masseter hypertrophy. Do you actually think his jaw bones are shaped like that? Jfl If you look at him when he got extremely thin and lost all his muscle, his jaw looked like shit and...
But it still increases ramus height
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Well I contract it perfectly fine, thought everyone did when chewing
Nope lots of people get bloated masseters from hypertrophying the middle head
Seems legit but also autistic
I feel what you’re suggesting, but this difference is so small it shouldn’t be mentioned. Biggest difference is how far forward your jaw is.
Using this analysis on my baseline lateral ceph before MSE treatment, I'm definitely more recessed than either of you. My soft tissue just reaches the red line at my chin and both of my lips are slightly past it, but the mental crease is behind it. My skeletal structure is even more recessed with the pogonion, A point and B point all more than a tooth width back from the blue line. However, my green angle is a little smaller than either of yours.
The way you describe it makes it sound like you’re not that recessed. Any improvement post Mse treatment?
At least the upper teeth reach the blue line in both of the cases you analyzed, mine are set well back from the blue line. I don't have a current x-ray to compare yet. My A point started slightly behind my B point, so my mandible might be ok if it wasn't trapped behind my maxilla. I feel like my maxilla has moved forward maybe 2-3mm from MSE+FM, so hopefully I'll see some improvement when I go back for another lateral ceph. I don't think I want to commit to jaw surgery.
AgreedSeems legit but also autistic
I feel what you’re suggesting, but this difference is so small it shouldn’t be mentioned. Biggest difference is how far forward your jaw is.
First method, Try bitting in a juttted position or even a forced underbite and tell me which muscles you feel. For me, my lower masseters make up about 95% of force.
Second method, try the opposite. Give yourself a forced over bite and bite back. I feel 80% of the force in the temporalis, 19% in the middle head, and basically 0% in the lower masseters.
Most people’s jaw look closer to the one on the left than the right due to lack of chewing and the second chewing pattern
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This is the difference between those 2 chewing patterns. You can see the effects perfectly.
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I’d say you’re right but this might be akward. Our ancestors most certainly had this chewing pattern but it wasn’t forced due to their ideal leverage of teeth and jaws
This is exactly how I felt until I started jutting which helped the problem a little bit. I know Mse gives at least 1mm of protraction of the maxilla so adding on a Facemask will give you maybe 4mm total which is a huge difference imo.
Would chewing on molars help vertically lengthen the midface while mainting the occlusal plane?
Well according to @retard incisor chewing decreases the Midface, so conversely chewing on the back molars could theoretically increase the Midface
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Yea but would molar chewing rotate the occlusal plane aswell or just lengthen vertically the maxilla. Thats the thing.Well according to @retard incisor chewing decreases the Midface, so conversely chewing on the back molars could theoretically increase the Midface
THE FIRST CCW ROTATION IN PSL HISTORY HAS BEEN OBTAINED WITH MSE
Holy shit, this is literally history in the making for looksmaxxers, someone on here who has got MSE with Dr. Ting has been incisor chewing falim 8 hours a day and frontally tip mewing whenever not chewing Dr. Ting got pissed as fuck at him and asked him what he did to his maxilla to rotate it...
The maxilla and entire splanocranium is constantly growing downwards as a way to counteract the forces of chewing. Just look at a baby vs the elderly skull.
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Hard to say, if you’re using the masseters to build the ramus then probably not. This is because as the ramus increases, it “pulls” the lower molars down which causes the upper molars to over erupt until contact.
Yea this makes sense.
Ive only seen what you’re describing is in downward grown people. The front of the maxilla will grow down all the time due to gravity and age. Only thing stopping this from occuring is head tilt, and pressure from the tongue and teeth contact.
I see. Im saying this because I have short face syndrome and I need 4-5mm of vertical growth in the front of the maxilla. Im trying to see if there is a muscle or force that can pull that part down without rotating the occlusal plane.
You could try mewing very hard with the back third of the tongue, chewing gum on the back molars and resting your teeth apart or only the back molars touching while you wait for the maxilla to lengthen downwards again.
I have a question, how much did it cost to get your CT scan? any taxes involved? how long did it take you to get it and what was the process
Cost about 450, only side profile
can u reuse a CT scan for multiple surgeries? lets say I'm going to get two surgeries do they require a fresh new scan or something?
The surgeon usually takes a new one and charges again for it
wym the surgeon usually takes a new one and charges again for it
How can you tell
I thought you meant he had forward posture, you're saying him pushing his head back is bad?
Damn I do that shit, I thought chest out chin up was correct posture
Bro your avi is such a mogger. I saw that jit eating cereal on tik tok and he looked like a god.
