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Disclaimer: I'm not against surgery or denying that it'll make you look better. The point of this thread is to get across the point that for most niggas on here its a major cope to think surgeries will ascend them from LTN to HTN+. I also wont be discussing pheno because the effect it has on looks is already widely known and talked about on here
A very commonly posted "proof" of "subhumans" being able ascend to HTN/chadlite through surgery is @Blackgymmax 's ascension, but few people here seem to have actually examined how and why such a drastic ascension was possible for him.
First of all, he wasn't subhuman before surgery. The only pic where he looks remotely subhuman is the one every coping LTN loves to post:
But if you have an iq above 90 it's clear that this pic is heavily lens distorted, i mean his ears are barely visible ffs.
If you watch the videos of him in motion on his youtube channel you can tell he wasn't nearly as ugly as people here claim him to have been.
Alright now that we've cleared up the cope about BGM having been below LTN i can get to my main point, his base
The reason he was able to ascend so much from surgery is because he had good ratios and soft features. Before surgery he always had a good ESR, FWHR, IPD, ICD, PCR etc.
His unchangable soft features were also good. He had a normal lip seal with a wide mouth (very important and hard to improve) and a high PFL. Him not having had any nasolabial folds is also a sign of a forward grown face with well placed fat pads.
His unattractiveness stemmed from the following failos: High nose width, lacking bigonial width, mediocre orbitals, short ramus, and high set + light eyebrows.
Almost all of these failos are fixable with surgery and filler. When considering his ratios, soft features, and facial development, its not surprising he managed to ascend as much as he did.
If you observe the pre-op faces of guys who ascended hard with surgery, you'll realize all of them had the same case of good ratios/soft features with fixable skeletal failos.
If your main failos stem from bad scores in the following ratios and features you need to lower your expectations of what surgery will get you:
-FWHR
-IPD & ICD (ur not getting OBO)
-Philrum length if caused by short nose relative to MFR and not thin upper lip
-PFL
-Anterior facial depth (ur not getting LF2)
-Mouth width relative to zygos
-Lips (extremely underrated)
-Eyebrow height
-Naso fold prominance
This forum is full of LTNs who think they'll become attractive by getting some combination of trimax, implants, and rhino when in most cases these things dont fix the real causes for their unattractive face. Low scores in several of the previously listed unfixable ratios/features is what is actually making them unattractive.
You need to come to terms with which of your failos are the ones actually making you ugly, and how fixable they realistically are. If you have a shit MFR with a short nose and a narrow downturned mouth then no amount of jaw surgeries or implants are gonna make you attractive, i'm sorry.
If you made it through all of this dont forget to rep
A very commonly posted "proof" of "subhumans" being able ascend to HTN/chadlite through surgery is @Blackgymmax 's ascension, but few people here seem to have actually examined how and why such a drastic ascension was possible for him.
First of all, he wasn't subhuman before surgery. The only pic where he looks remotely subhuman is the one every coping LTN loves to post:
But if you have an iq above 90 it's clear that this pic is heavily lens distorted, i mean his ears are barely visible ffs.
If you watch the videos of him in motion on his youtube channel you can tell he wasn't nearly as ugly as people here claim him to have been.
Alright now that we've cleared up the cope about BGM having been below LTN i can get to my main point, his base
The reason he was able to ascend so much from surgery is because he had good ratios and soft features. Before surgery he always had a good ESR, FWHR, IPD, ICD, PCR etc.
His unchangable soft features were also good. He had a normal lip seal with a wide mouth (very important and hard to improve) and a high PFL. Him not having had any nasolabial folds is also a sign of a forward grown face with well placed fat pads.
His unattractiveness stemmed from the following failos: High nose width, lacking bigonial width, mediocre orbitals, short ramus, and high set + light eyebrows.
Almost all of these failos are fixable with surgery and filler. When considering his ratios, soft features, and facial development, its not surprising he managed to ascend as much as he did.
If you observe the pre-op faces of guys who ascended hard with surgery, you'll realize all of them had the same case of good ratios/soft features with fixable skeletal failos.
If your main failos stem from bad scores in the following ratios and features you need to lower your expectations of what surgery will get you:
-FWHR
-IPD & ICD (ur not getting OBO)
-Philrum length if caused by short nose relative to MFR and not thin upper lip
-PFL
-Anterior facial depth (ur not getting LF2)
-Mouth width relative to zygos
-Lips (extremely underrated)
-Eyebrow height
-Naso fold prominance
This forum is full of LTNs who think they'll become attractive by getting some combination of trimax, implants, and rhino when in most cases these things dont fix the real causes for their unattractive face. Low scores in several of the previously listed unfixable ratios/features is what is actually making them unattractive.
You need to come to terms with which of your failos are the ones actually making you ugly, and how fixable they realistically are. If you have a shit MFR with a short nose and a narrow downturned mouth then no amount of jaw surgeries or implants are gonna make you attractive, i'm sorry.
@Magnum Opus @RealSurgerymax @ccwarrior @HarrierDuBois @VenatorLuparius @depressionmaxxing @Amnesia @DelonLover1999 @ambi @Clavicular @Gaia262 @PsychoDsk @NorwoodAscender
If you made it through all of this dont forget to rep
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