How bad is my Jaw (CBCT)?

[NoaA99]

I am already diagnosed with a recessed Maxilla and had a sleep study with 30 detected breathing pauses per hour (Which is insane for my age of 24). I am basically unable to do anything due to severe daytime tiredness.
Even MSE did not help. Whole family has giga chad jaw´s with no problems whatsoever, so it can not be blamed on genetics only.
My jaw surgeon (in Germany) mentioned, I have a chance of insurance partially covering surgery. She said my whole mid-face is recessed and therefore opted for a higher LFort1 cut. Additional mid-face implants are no option for her.
She and my orthodontist said my lower jaw is pretty good, which I do not agree with. It looks narrow and I am sure my gonion´s are tilted inwards, which was not the case up to 12 y.o, when I lost both front teeth during a heavy collision. At this point my jaws, especially the upper one did not grow correctly, which is obvious, when looking at pictures afterwards. There is a noticeable progression, but my dentists somehow missed it.

 

[Deleted member 56523]

can u just post real picture

 

[hungryplayground175]

thanks for letting us observe your face bro! We can definitely see the harmony in the black and white you underbite retard

 

[NoaA99]

can u just post real picture

 

[NoaA99]

can u just post real picture

You can see it from the front as well due to the asymmetry and lip disalignment. However sides bothering me much more.
Orthodontist actually told me my mandible is great but I still feel it’s kind of underdeveloped. The gonial angle is around 115-121 according to the X-ray but my jaw still seems downward grown and roundish sometimes.

 

[rares54]

You can see it from the front as well due to the asymmetry and lip disalignment. However sides bothering me much more.
Orthodontist actually told me my mandible is great but I still feel it’s kind of underdeveloped. The gonial angle is around 115-121 according to the X-ray but my jaw still seems downward grown and roundish sometimes.

Chadlite atleast lol. who the fuck cares if you're downgrown, I didn't see any assymettry in your jaw nor lips.

This guy, Matthew noszka, is also ''downgrown'' according to some users, yet he is chad lol

edit: also, side is cope, most important is 3/4 and front.

Tbh I thought you were subhuman in your ct scans idk why

 

[Deleted member 56523]

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its ok bro, nothing to worry about, nobody will care irl only these autists on .org, u look good

 

[FutureSlayer]

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a lil bit of filler in the upper lip would help imo

 

[macedonpsycho]

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holy fucking chadlite
you have insanely good frontal profile and worse side profile (for me its the opposite due to vertical maxillary deficiency )

yes, you have a recessed maxilla and thus a recessed mandible as well.
cant wait to see the huge ascension that will make you chad

 

[NoaA99]

a lil bit of filler in the upper lip would help imo

Lips will look more balanced after surgery. I primarily need it because of severe sleep apnea.

 

[NoaA99]

Chadlite atleast lol. who the fuck cares if you're downgrown, I didn't see any assymettry in your jaw nor lips.

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This guy, Matthew noszka, is also ''downgrown'' according to some users, yet he is chad lol

edit: also, side is cope, most important is 3/4 and front.

Tbh I thought you were subhuman in your ct scans idk why

I do have a slight midline discrepancy of 2-3mm. So basically my jaw is slightly off Center to ensure a somewhat correct bite.
Slight eye asymmetry as well, which is a result of my slightly canted maxilla.
But yeah despite this, I always did pretty well with women. Therefore I never noticed it myself. I went to an orthodontist as a last instance, since my sleep has been terrible since over 10 years and no specialist ever came to the idea to send me into a sleep labour.

Yeah I know him. People also say he has inwardly tilted gonions, despite his being clearly outwards.

Also I believe the picture above flatters me a bit since I was a bit closer to the camera and very low body fat.
My cheekbones are 99th percentile in terms of width, so face looks a bit wider irl.
I look bloated almost all of the time, when above 14-15% body fat.
Thanks for your answer anyway.

 

[NoaA99]

holy fucking chadlite
you have insanely good frontal profile and worse side profile (for me its the opposite due to vertical maxillary deficiency )

yes, you have a recessed maxilla and thus a recessed mandible as well.
cant wait to see the huge ascension that will make you chad

All of my relatives tell me I will look terrible after surgery.
I believe it’s somewhat of a trade off. My nose will become even larger, which could throw of harmony but at the same time my side profile as well as my lips and jaw itself will improve.

My maxilla was deficient in every dimension before MSE. Although I wouldn’t recommend it. My sleep apnea has improved slightly from an Ahi of 30 to „only“ 26, but it is still severe. In terms of looks it made them worse, since only my already larger right face half expanded and my maxilla is more canted now. Though my jaw surgeon said, that this canting can be corrected during the surgical Process.
Do you have already something planned to fix your maxilla?

 

[IAMNOTANINCEL]

Very badman

 

[IAMNOTANINCEL]

All of my relatives tell me I will look terrible after surgery.
I believe it’s somewhat of a trade off. My nose will become even larger, which could throw of harmony but at the same time my side profile as well as my lips and jaw itself will improve.

My maxilla was deficient in every dimension before MSE. Although I wouldn’t recommend it. My sleep apnea has improved slightly from an Ahi of 30 to „only“ 26, but it is still severe. In terms of looks it made them worse, since only my already larger right face half expanded and my maxilla is more canted now. Though my jaw surgeon said, that this canting can be corrected during the surgical Process.
Do you have already something planned to fix your maxilla?

Your maxilla is recessed as fuck and that bite is not good
Its a small but worth it change

 

[macedonpsycho]

All of my relatives tell me I will look terrible after surgery.
I believe it’s somewhat of a trade off. My nose will become even larger, which could throw of harmony but at the same time my side profile as well as my lips and jaw itself will improve.

My maxilla was deficient in every dimension before MSE. Although I wouldn’t recommend it. My sleep apnea has improved slightly from an Ahi of 30 to „only“ 26, but it is still severe. In terms of looks it made them worse, since only my already larger right face half expanded and my maxilla is more canted now. Though my jaw surgeon said, that this canting can be corrected during the surgical Process.
Do you have already something planned to fix your maxilla?

lol only way to see is to do it. nose can be fixed as well afterwards. that tradeoff is very much worth is imo

as for me im still 15 so i cant get maxillary downgraft till im at least 18, and it will probably cost lots of money unless insurance somehow covers it

 

[dalepilled]

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your side profile makes it look like you have an underbite but from the ct scans dont look like it
it's the upper lip

 

[NoaA99]

your side profile makes it look like you have an underbite but from the ct scans dont look like it
it's the upper lip

I mean I visited 5 orthodontists and 2 jaw surgeons and everyone of them said it’s a moderately severe - skeletal underbite (class3). All of them urged me to go for surgery. It’s primarily my relatives and friends, that keep telling me otherwise.

 

[NoaA99]

your side profile makes it look like you have an underbite but from the ct scans dont look like it
it's the upper lip

your side profile makes it look like you have an underbite but from the ct scans dont look like it
it's the upper lip

lol only way to see is to do it. nose can be fixed as well afterwards. that tradeoff is very much worth is imo

as for me im still 15 so i cant get maxillary downgraft till im at least 18, and it will probably cost lots of money unless insurance somehow covers it

I’ll definitely do surgery. Even if it would make me less good looking.
My brain basically gets starved of oxygen every night and I progressively fall behind academically/ money wise relative to my peers. I never was irritable but know every psychologist proposes ADHD. I am certain though, that it’s some minor permanent brain damage, that accumulated through all those years of undetected sleep apnea.
Don’t even know, whether that’s reversible but I definitely have to cure this as soon as possible by fixing my maxilla.

 

[Tai Lung]

Chadlite atleast lol. who the fuck cares if you're downgrown, I didn't see any assymettry in your jaw nor lips.

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This guy, Matthew noszka, is also ''downgrown'' according to some users, yet he is chad lol

edit: also, side is cope, most important is 3/4 and front.

Tbh I thought you were subhuman in your ct scans idk why

not chadlite but htn tbh, chadlite is someone like tom cruise

 

[NoaA99]

Yes, I know it is. It will likely be beneficial in terms of looks but primarily I hope to sleep normally by fixing my jaws

Your maxilla is recessed as fuck and that bite is not good
Its a small but worth it c

 

[macedonpsycho]

not chadlite but htn tbh, chadlite is someone like tom cruise

he mogs tom cruise imo. very dimorphic face

 

[synock21]

You need some lip filler on the upper lip,. mogger jaw

 

[MaestheticMaso]

You’re a prime example of a great candidate for a bimax tbh. You have a good base facially and you actually need it.

I would say research, do consultations with docs who specialise in this, and go for it

 

[VenatorLuparius]

Your jaw is fine you mentalcel. However you need a rhino.

 

[NoaA99]

You’re a prime example of a great candidate for a bimax tbh. You have a good base facially and you actually need it.

I would say research, do consultations with docs who specialise in this, and go for it

How exactly should I change the mandible positioning ideally?
2 surgeons told me, they would just advance the maxilla, while keeping the mandible in place.
One proposed a set back, while advancing the upper jaw. I am unsure though, whether this is actually good for obstructive sleep apnea patients.
This one also wanted to do CCW rotation, because I apparently do have slight short face syndrome, where you can’t see enough of my teeth, when laughing.

 

[NoaA99]

Your jaw is fine you mentalcel. However you need a rhino.

My lower one is, the upper one not so much.
Yes, I know. Though I believe only a slightly less bulbous tip would do. And I don’t even consider that a necessity at the moment. I’ll probably leave it like it is.

 

[NoaA99]

You need some lip filler on the upper lip,. mogger jaw

The lips overall will look more harmonious after advancing the maxilla. It should make the lower lip look less prominent in relation.

 

[dalepilled]

I mean I visited 5 orthodontists and 2 jaw surgeons and everyone of them said it’s a moderately severe - skeletal underbite (class3). All of them urged me to go for surgery. It’s primarily my relatives and friends, that keep telling me otherwise.

tag me if u do get surgery and have some results

are there any downsides to the surgery?