The Most Sustainable Way to Moneymaxx (tried and proven by myself) (high-IQcels GTFIH)

[qaum]

@ropeorcope are you working at FANG? do you have any advice finding a position where i have to work only 3 hours like you say

 

[Matthias8272]

Well this must be very specific to where you live, my father in IT says there's no such bootcamp here that gives interviews and online people tend to say the pay isn't impressive for people who are new. got kind of excited thinking i could have a similar experience if i just studied while neet and get good cash, over

 

[UglyGod360]

Well this must be very specific to where you live, my father in IT says there's no such bootcamp here that gives interviews and online people tend to say the pay isn't impressive for people who are new. got kind of excited thinking i could have a similar experience if i just studied while neet and get good cash, over

From my understanding you have to go to a boot camp that works with the company so they can set you up with an interview, and location doesn't matter since it's online.

 

[Matthias8272]

From my understanding you have to go to a boot camp that works with the company so they can set you up with an interview, and location doesn't matter since it's online.

Interesting I was imaging a job where i have to go to a work place irl, but I will say that would open up other issues in my mind in regards to competition if it's accessible anywhere even if the demand is high

 

[STEVE GAMING]

isnt programming saturated?

 

[Deleted member 18175]

Self-teaching programming (specifically web development) is the easiest and most effective moneymaxxing method as long as you're not low-IQ and lazy.

I didn't go to university, I self-taught at home and then went through a bootcamp and got a job at a big company through them. I'm 21 years old making 160k total comp (130k is cash) and I barely work 3 hours a day (I got the job when I was 20). I owed the bootcamp 10k and have already paid it off. The bootcamp didn't teach me anything valuable, it was only useful because they have direct partnerships with technical recruiters so I got 10+ interviews right after finishing it whereas I couldn't get a single interview applying to jobs regularly with my empty resume.

University for computer science is a scam and retarded unless you're low-IQ and don't have the discipline to learn by yourself. The only real value of university is the degree which helps your resume. People who think just doing the coursework and studying for exams for their undergrad computer science degree is enough to get them a job are delusional, you will have to self-teach most of what you will use at a job regardless. The vast majority of computer science curriculums even at top universities are behind the industry by at least 5 years, you'll basically only learn some fundamentals and math which are basically only useful if you want to get into low-level system engineering or data science/AI postgrad. So regardless, you will still have to self-teach current technologies if you want a job and you'll also have to study for interviews in your own time.

Web development whether it be front-end, back-end or full-stack is your best bet for getting your foot in the door because of its lower barrier of entry and high demand. I chose full-stack (which is both back-end and front-end), it pays the most, and it makes you eligible for all 3 types of jobs which increases your chances of getting a job (if you only did front-end, you're not going to get a back-end job). Front-end is the easiest and will take less time but you will almost certainly make less than 100k on your first job.

Everything is free online or $12 on udemy, just google "[front-end/back-end/full-stack] developer roadmap" and you'll know exactly what to study and in what order. You will also need to study algorithm and data structure interview questions (literally memorize the answers and explanations to the common ones, it's hard to wing it during the interview even if you know how to solve it). Leetcode and hackerrank are good places to practice these and have real interview questions asked by recruiters, leetcode premium is worth it.

The whole process from starting to getting the job offer for me was less than 8 months but I did have some prior programming experience. I was also NEETmaxxing during this time so I had infinite free time.

Keep in mind this only works in NA where software salaries are inflated, EUcels probably won't have as much success because software engineers there get paid slave wages compared to here, and I also don't know whether companies there are moving away from degrees the same way companies here are. If you're a currycel in India then it's over and you can just forget you even saw this thread because too many people in India are programming-maxxed and willing to work for $3 an hour.

Also never forget that even if you're a moneymaxxed subhuman like myself, a Chad working at walmart will still slay more than you

Just codemaxx bro it worked for me.

 

[Deleted member 18175]

isnt programming saturated?

highly saturated due to high income. I feel like it will die down and thousands of people will lose their jobs.

 

[lonelystoner]

jfl at the fact you think I would go out of my way to lie so I can anonymously brag to strangers on a lookism forum

Noice

 

[Deleted member 17595]

Tip for EUcels just learn programming and move to the US

 

[idonthaveadhd]

Long-time lurker, literally just made an account so I could post in this thread.

Everything OP said is moreorless spot-on in my experience. I've also been fortunate enough to experience success that would've been unfathomable to me 4 years ago. I'll write out my full story when I get a chance, but I'm also happy to help out by answering any questions about the industry people here might have. This place has been a mental saviour for me at times during the lockdowns, so I wanna give back.

In the meantime, here's some random points/thoughts:
- I'm a frontend dev specialising in React (which itself is just modern JavaScript).
- You should research it yourself, but there's clear evidence showing that if you're following a non-traditional route and want the "easiest" + fastest way into the industry, then going all-in on JavaScript is the way to go. [1]
- I don't even have a BootCamp cert lmfao. I'm 100% self-taught. After experiencing the job market first-hand, I can confidently say that - at least for React devs and skilled frontend engineers - no company using React gives a fuck about your degree (or lack thereof), or even whether you have any certifications.
- All they want to know is that you have the knowledge to do the job. The only way you can showcase that is through experience, but this raises the obvious chicken-or-egg question (how can you show you have industry experience if you can't even land your first job).
- The answer is GitHub and open-source. Even if you have no idea what git/GitHub is, go make an account right now. I'll write up a guide later (maybe) on why this is so critical. It will form your modern "resume" which will put you on equal footing (or even ahead of) your peers with fancy CS degrees.
- Completely echo OP's sentiment of CS degrees being well behind the times (at least for modern web dev) and not teaching the knowledge required by industry. In this way unis are a fucking scam run by ivory-tower gatekeepers.
- Looks like companies have picked up on this and almost none of them care anymore if you have a CS degree (despite what job applications might say).
- Unlike OP I never bothered memorising some esoteric algorithms just to pass an interview. My strategy was simply to focus on building real-world practical tools and apps. But each to their own, either strategy can work depending on your goals.
- Once again, OP is spot-on in saying that there's a huge lack of talented web devs. I can say this cos I'm literally in charge of hiring other frontend engineers, and a lot of them are dogshit. The good ones are all taken by the major tech companies.
- On that note, I'm not even scared sharing all this inside knowledge with you guys cos I know none of you are smart enough to be my competition.
- I'm making the equivalent of ~$105k USD per year (could be more tbh, but money isn't my only motivating factor. I love the place I work).

The only thing (IMO) that OP did not make clear enough is just because people like us have proven it can be done, it doesn't mean it's easy. You will actually need to work like a fucking maniac building your own projects until the concepts are so deeply embedded in your brain you dream about them while you sleep. Don't walk into this expecting that you're magically gonna get an amazing job simply cos you decided to start programming.

[1]. https://blog.hackerrank.com/student-javascript-knowledge/

Bonus tip: if you decide this is the path you wanna go down, follow Dan Abramov on Twitter (he's considered a God in React world for his contributions to React & Redux). Also, follow Eric Elliot and buy his book if you wanna be better than 95% of JS devs.
These guys are super smart and will give you way more real-world industry knowledge than you'd ever get from your poverty-tier college.
TechLead on YouTube (his older stuff at least) is also really good:

 

[UglyGod360]

My strategy was simply to focus on building real-world practical tools and apps. But each to their own, either strategy can work depending on your goals.

What do you mean by real-world practical tools and apps? Like creating delivery apps?

In the meantime, here's some random points/thoughts:
- I'm a frontend dev specialising in React (which itself is just modern JavaScript).
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How long did it take you to master this language?

 

[UglyGod360]

Long-time lurker, literally just made an account so I could post in this thread.

Everything OP said is moreorless spot-on in my experience. I've also been fortunate enough to experience success that would've been unfathomable to me 4 years ago. I'll write out my full story when I get a chance, but I'm also happy to help out by answering any questions about the industry people here might have. This place has been a mental saviour for me at times during the lockdowns, so I wanna give back.

In the meantime, here's some random points/thoughts:
- I'm a frontend dev specialising in React (which itself is just modern JavaScript).
- You should research it yourself, but there's clear evidence showing that if you're following a non-traditional route and want the "easiest" + fastest way into the industry, then going all-in on JavaScript is the way to go. [1]
- I don't even have a BootCamp cert lmfao. I'm 100% self-taught. After experiencing the job market first-hand, I can confidently say that - at least for React devs and skilled frontend engineers - no company using React gives a fuck about your degree (or lack thereof), or even whether you have any certifications.
- All they want to know is that you have the knowledge to do the job. The only way you can showcase that is through experience, but this raises the obvious chicken-or-egg question (how can you show you have industry experience if you can't even land your first job).
- The answer is GitHub and open-source. Even if you have no idea what git/GitHub is, go make an account right now. I'll write up a guide later (maybe) on why this is so critical. It will form your modern "resume" which will put you on equal footing (or even ahead of) your peers with fancy CS degrees.
- Completely echo OP's sentiment of CS degrees being well behind the times (at least for modern web dev) and not teaching the knowledge required by industry. In this way unis are a fucking scam run by ivory-tower gatekeepers.
- Looks like companies have picked up on this and almost none of them care anymore if you have a CS degree (despite what job applications might say).
- Unlike OP I never bothered memorising some esoteric algorithms just to pass an interview. My strategy was simply to focus on building real-world practical tools and apps. But each to their own, either strategy can work depending on your goals.
- Once again, OP is spot-on in saying that there's a huge lack of talented web devs. I can say this cos I'm literally in charge of hiring other frontend engineers, and a lot of them are dogshit. The good ones are all taken by the major tech companies.
- On that note, I'm not even scared sharing all this inside knowledge with you guys cos I know none of you are smart enough to be my competition.
- I'm making the equivalent of ~$105k USD per year (could be more tbh, but money isn't my only motivating factor. I love the place I work).

The only thing (IMO) that OP did not make clear enough is just because people like us have proven it can be done, it doesn't mean it's easy. You will actually need to work like a fucking maniac building your own projects until the concepts are so deeply embedded in your brain you dream about them while you sleep. Don't walk into this expecting that you're magically gonna get an amazing job simply cos you decided to start programming.

[1]. https://blog.hackerrank.com/student-javascript-knowledge/

Bonus tip: if you decide this is the path you wanna go down, follow Dan Abramov on Twitter (he's considered a God in React world for his contributions to React & Redux). Also, follow Eric Elliot and buy his book if you wanna be better than 95% of JS devs.
These guys are super smart and will give you way more real-world industry knowledge than you'd ever get from your poverty-tier college.
TechLead on YouTube (his older stuff at least) is also really good:

If it's such a good career paths then why are these soys in YouTube complaining

I asked one of them how much do they get paid for that job, and they had the nerve to tell me "not enough". Could it be that they're just shitty programmers, or perhaps they don't want competition? Probably the latter mfers just sit on yoga balls all day typing codes on a keyboard and get paid good money for it

 

[idonthaveadhd]

If it's such a good career paths then why are these soys in YouTube complaining View attachment 1600520 I asked one of them how much do they get paid for that job, and they had the nerve to tell me "not enough". Could it be that they're just shitty programmers, or perhaps they don't want competition? Probably the latter mfers just sit on yoga balls all day typing codes on a keyboard and get paid good money for it

Sorry for the late reply. My company just got acquired by a huge name for a massive amount. No joke. I have a hundred things to do with my time atm but hopefully I can write up a comprehensive thread explaining this crazy career path when I'm freed up in the coming weeks.

All I'll say for now is:
1) I double down on everything I said in my initial post. Tech is 10000000% the future for moreorless everything and you need to be in it for a financially secure future. But you also need to have the brains and willingness to constantly learn to make it in this industry.
2) The acquisition my company just went through is next-level huge. I obviously can't give any more details without doxxing myself, but it should highlight the immense opportunity in tech.

 

[King Solomon]

I agree with this if you would like to maximize your profits as a wage slave without having to develop your own business and not including investing.

However, a blockchain developer is by far has the highest salary that doesn't require a degree (156k average in the US) and senior developers make well over 200k. This is the fastest growing job right now. I just finished a crypto blockchain developer course and it took 2 months (I don't work anymore so it may take a normie one year). I believe developers need above average probably above 110 at the very least. This doesn't mean those with lower IQ's can't do this but they may struggle.

Now you can take this skill and turn it into a business and now you're not capped with wage slavery as there's many things you can do with these skills (create a crypto, exchange, flash loans, etc).

Next, as soon as you start earning a good salary or wealth from your business look to invest and use the method I call long term trades between asset classes using the wealth cycles. All assets go up and down but if you utilize the ratios then you should know when to get out of one asset and trade for another. Also, you must do your research and find those diamonds in the rough to land a low market cap investment and get in before the masses have access to it (pre IPO stocks or crypto's like Angel investing). Also, you can leverage against one asset with a low interest rate to invest in others without losing that asset). I would only reccommend this if this is a stable investment and utilize less than 30% of your total investment. Also, I would reccommend doing this for investments that provide you with passive income returns.

An example of how I did this:
1.) I invested heavily in Cardano at 2 cents during the crash (and exchanged my BTC for cardano).
2.) Sold majority @ $2 then a bit more at $2.5 then at $3 and let roughly 10% while continuing to stake.
3.) I exchange this for precious metals (mostly silver). This includes Lode Coin a silver backed crypto and various other foreign bullion banks.
4.) I leveraged silver @ 1%-4% interest (varies by bullion dealer and amount) for rental properties for passive income.
5.) I purchased real property with my silver for my off my grid home for passive income and obtained the land patents (no property taxes or eminent domain which is a long process and annoying as fuck but this is the real deed)
6.) I Purchased one boxabl home and have a deposit for another one and invested a decent amount as an Angel Investor for boxabl.
7.) I may reinvest in the crypto markets but I don't need the money anymore and I'm out of most digital illusions of wealth since once the reset occurs all digital illusions of wealth, all fiat currencies, cash in the banks, crypos, stocks, and posessions used with debt (mortgages, cars loans) all those will be gone and you will own nothing if that's where your wealth is tied up. I'll just continue to add more properties, land, and build my precious metals stack while learning new skills and things I'm interested in for fun.

 

[STEVE GAMING]

I agree with this if you would like to maximize your profits as a wage slave without having to develop your own business and not including investing.

However, a blockchain developer is by far has the highest salary that doesn't require a degree (156k average in the US) and senior developers make well over 200k. This is the fastest growing job right now. I just finished a crypto blockchain developer course and it took 2 months (I don't work anymore so it may take a normie one year). I believe developers need above average probably above 110 at the very least. This doesn't mean those with lower IQ's can't do this but they may struggle.

Now you can take this skill and turn it into a business and now you're not capped with wage slavery as there's many things you can do with these skills (create a crypto, exchange, flash loans, etc).

Next, as soon as you start earning a good salary or wealth from your business look to invest and use the method I call long term trades between asset classes using the wealth cycles. All assets go up and down but if you utilize the ratios then you should know when to get out of one asset and trade for another. Also, you must do your research and find those diamonds in the rough to land a low market cap investment and get in before the masses have access to it (pre IPO stocks or crypto's like Angel investing). Also, you can leverage against one asset with a low interest rate to invest in others without losing that asset). I would only reccommend this if this is a stable investment and utilize less than 30% of your total investment. Also, I would reccommend doing this for investments that provide you with passive income returns.

An example of how I did this:
1.) I invested heavily in Cardano at 2 cents during the crash (and exchanged my BTC for cardano).
2.) Sold majority @ $2 then a bit more at $2.5 then at $3 and let roughly 10% while continuing to stake.
3.) I exchange this for precious metals (mostly silver). This includes Lode Coin a silver backed crypto and various other foreign bullion banks.
4.) I leveraged silver @ 1%-4% interest (varies by bullion dealer and amount) for rental properties for passive income.
5.) I purchased real property with my silver for my off my grid home for passive income and obtained the land patents (no property taxes or eminent domain which is a long process and annoying as fuck but this is the real deed)
6.) I Purchased one boxabl home and have a deposit for another one and invested a decent amount as an Angel Investor for boxabl.
7.) I may reinvest in the crypto markets but I don't need the money anymore and I'm out of most digital illusions of wealth since once the reset occurs all digital illusions of wealth, all fiat currencies, cash in the banks, crypos, stocks, and posessions used with debt (mortgages, cars loans) all those will be gone and you will own nothing if that's where your wealth is tied up. I'll just continue to add more properties, land, and build my precious metals stack while learning new skills and things I'm interested in for fun.

Did you take a blockchain course?

 

[looksmaxxed]

programmer iq is suited to crunching numbers and compiling code until retirement at age 65. over for you

 

[STEVE GAMING]

programmer iq is suited to crunching numbers and compiling code until retirement at age 65. over for you

Low iq cope

 

[STEVE GAMING]

I agree with this if you would like to maximize your profits as a wage slave without having to develop your own business and not including investing.

However, a blockchain developer is by far has the highest salary that doesn't require a degree (156k average in the US) and senior developers make well over 200k. This is the fastest growing job right now. I just finished a crypto blockchain developer course and it took 2 months (I don't work anymore so it may take a normie one year). I believe developers need above average probably above 110 at the very least. This doesn't mean those with lower IQ's can't do this but they may struggle.

Now you can take this skill and turn it into a business and now you're not capped with wage slavery as there's many things you can do with these skills (create a crypto, exchange, flash loans, etc).

Next, as soon as you start earning a good salary or wealth from your business look to invest and use the method I call long term trades between asset classes using the wealth cycles. All assets go up and down but if you utilize the ratios then you should know when to get out of one asset and trade for another. Also, you must do your research and find those diamonds in the rough to land a low market cap investment and get in before the masses have access to it (pre IPO stocks or crypto's like Angel investing). Also, you can leverage against one asset with a low interest rate to invest in others without losing that asset). I would only reccommend this if this is a stable investment and utilize less than 30% of your total investment. Also, I would reccommend doing this for investments that provide you with passive income returns.

An example of how I did this:
1.) I invested heavily in Cardano at 2 cents during the crash (and exchanged my BTC for cardano).
2.) Sold majority @ $2 then a bit more at $2.5 then at $3 and let roughly 10% while continuing to stake.
3.) I exchange this for precious metals (mostly silver). This includes Lode Coin a silver backed crypto and various other foreign bullion banks.
4.) I leveraged silver @ 1%-4% interest (varies by bullion dealer and amount) for rental properties for passive income.
5.) I purchased real property with my silver for my off my grid home for passive income and obtained the land patents (no property taxes or eminent domain which is a long process and annoying as fuck but this is the real deed)
6.) I Purchased one boxabl home and have a deposit for another one and invested a decent amount as an Angel Investor for boxabl.
7.) I may reinvest in the crypto markets but I don't need the money anymore and I'm out of most digital illusions of wealth since once the reset occurs all digital illusions of wealth, all fiat currencies, cash in the banks, crypos, stocks, and posessions used with debt (mortgages, cars loans) all those will be gone and you will own nothing if that's where your wealth is tied up. I'll just continue to add more properties, land, and build my precious metals stack while learning new skills and things I'm interested in for fun.

Im ean which course did you take and which yt channels you reccomend

 

[Adamsmith12345]

isnt programming saturated?

take the hidden path and get into the niche of computer engineering/embedded systems/cybersecurity (C, C++, and assembly) like i will be doing

 

[Britmaxxer]

I am doing IT certs alongside my degree. UKcel but even here tech and IT jobs are the only real shit. good thread.

 

[STEVE GAMING]

take the hidden path and get into the niche of computer engineering/embedded systems/cybersecurity (C, C++, and assembly) like i will be doing

cyber security is also saturated.

 

[Adamsmith12345]

cyber security is also saturated.

anything low-level and close to hardware isn't saturated

 

[Deleted member 18244]

Agreed, the best way to make stacks nowadays, but god is it boring. I wish I could make a script that shoots me in the head levels of boring

 

[Adamsmith12345]

Agreed, the best way to make stacks nowadays, but god is it boring. I wish I could make a script that shoots me in the head levels of boring

i never really found coding boring. I know people including myself who could go 10 hours straight working on their projects

 

[Deleted member 7098]

i never really found coding boring. I know people including myself who could go 10 hours straight working on their projects

You‘re rice, you don‘t count, you guys are bred for this

 

[sytyl]

You‘re rice, you don‘t count, you guys are bred for this

it ranges from legit insanely boring to mentally taxing - never enjoyable (at least remote work)
only good part of this field is that a good half of the year is doing work for 1-3 hours a day and "work" for the rest
the only enjoyment would be if you're making a project for yourself probably

 

[bwrauycnee]

You can easily breach $250K salary by getting a job at Amazon in NA. It's the easiest of the FAANG companies and they're on a hiring spree. You do need to get decent at algorithms and data structures though.

 

[looksmaxxed]

lie and act your way into facebook ceo, then shut down the company

 

[Alexanderr]

Good thread
Most definitely will not work in the EU

Suicidefuel.

 

[Alexanderr]

Tip for EUcels just learn programming and move to the US

Unironically, you're telling me I could earn several years' worth of wages in the EU in a year in the U.S. with the same work? I don't see why I shouldn't move.

 

[UglyGod360]

OP said he has prior experience. I wonder if I could get a job after 12 months of learning, $100k or I'm not signing.

 

[Tallooksmaxxer]

[1]. https://blog.hackerrank.com/student-javascript-knowledge/

Bonus tip: if you decide this is the path you wanna go down, follow Dan Abramov on Twitter (he's considered a God in React world for his contributions to React & Redux). Also, follow Eric Elliot and buy his book if you wanna be better than 95% of JS devs.
These guys are super smart and will give you way more real-world industry knowledge than you'd ever get from your poverty-tier college.
TechLead on YouTube (his older stuff at least) is also really good:

dont watch this retarded chang. he got divorceraped and now all he does is being a neet and making sponsored videos.

i cringed hard when i saw this chang still unironically uses the "as a millonaire" phrase.

 

[idonthaveadhd]

dont watch this retarded chang. he got divorceraped and now all he does is being a neet and making sponsored videos.

i cringed hard when i saw this chang still unironically uses the "as a millonaire" phrase.

Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater, boyo. I clearly said to focus on his earlier videos if you're in this purely to learn what real-world programming is like today (they are both hilarious but ironically also provide a very accurate - albeit highly exaggerated - insight into the lived experience of people working within the field full-time).

As for the blatant sponsorships, that's always been a piss-take and one of the key elements of his YT vids.

And I actually like some of his recent crypto vids, but I understand it's not for everyone.

 

[Adamsmith12345]

OP said he has prior experience. I wonder if I could get a job after 12 months of learning, $100k or I'm not signing.

lol i have been learning for 3-4 years and im still not at $100k
everything you do for money will take time

 

[UglyGod360]

lol i have been learning for 3-4 years and im still not at $100k
everything you do for money will take time

Cope. I'll surpass u

 

[Adamsmith12345]

Cope. I'll surpass u

i dont even do web dev faggot shit so idc

 

[UglyGod360]

i dont even do web dev faggot shit so idc

ILL SURPASS YOU.

 

[Adamsmith12345]

ILL SURPASS YOU.

good for you. we arent even in the same industry jfl

 

[Deleted member 18436]

Self-teaching programming (specifically web development) is the easiest and most effective moneymaxxing method as long as you're not low-IQ and lazy.

I didn't go to university, I self-taught at home and then went through a bootcamp and got a job at a big company through them. I'm 21 years old making 160k total comp (130k is cash) and I barely work 3 hours a day (I got the job when I was 20). I owed the bootcamp 10k and have already paid it off. The bootcamp didn't teach me anything valuable, it was only useful because they have direct partnerships with technical recruiters so I got 10+ interviews right after finishing it whereas I couldn't get a single interview applying to jobs regularly with my empty resume.

University for computer science is a scam and retarded unless you're low-IQ and don't have the discipline to learn by yourself. The only real value of university is the degree which helps your resume. People who think just doing the coursework and studying for exams for their undergrad computer science degree is enough to get them a job are delusional, you will have to self-teach most of what you will use at a job regardless. The vast majority of computer science curriculums even at top universities are behind the industry by at least 5 years, you'll basically only learn some fundamentals and math which are basically only useful if you want to get into low-level system engineering or data science/AI postgrad. So regardless, you will still have to self-teach current technologies if you want a job and you'll also have to study for interviews in your own time.

Web development whether it be front-end, back-end or full-stack is your best bet for getting your foot in the door because of its lower barrier of entry and high demand. I chose full-stack (which is both back-end and front-end), it pays the most, and it makes you eligible for all 3 types of jobs which increases your chances of getting a job (if you only did front-end, you're not going to get a back-end job). Front-end is the easiest and will take less time but you will almost certainly make less than 100k on your first job.

Everything is free online or $12 on udemy, just google "[front-end/back-end/full-stack] developer roadmap" and you'll know exactly what to study and in what order. You will also need to study algorithm and data structure interview questions (literally memorize the answers and explanations to the common ones, it's hard to wing it during the interview even if you know how to solve it). Leetcode and hackerrank are good places to practice these and have real interview questions asked by recruiters, leetcode premium is worth it.

The whole process from starting to getting the job offer for me was less than 8 months but I did have some prior programming experience. I was also NEETmaxxing during this time so I had infinite free time.

Keep in mind this only works in NA where software salaries are inflated, EUcels probably won't have as much success because software engineers there get paid slave wages compared to here, and I also don't know whether companies there are moving away from degrees the same way companies here are. If you're a currycel in India then it's over and you can just forget you even saw this thread because too many people in India are programming-maxxed and willing to work for $3 an hour.

Also never forget that even if you're a moneymaxxed subhuman like myself, a Chad working at walmart will still slay more than you

This sounds great be honest with me are you just a genetic outlier are you just big brain will this work for the normal sperg

 

[Deleted member 18436]

Self-teaching programming (specifically web development) is the easiest and most effective moneymaxxing method as long as you're not low-IQ and lazy.

I didn't go to university, I self-taught at home and then went through a bootcamp and got a job at a big company through them. I'm 21 years old making 160k total comp (130k is cash) and I barely work 3 hours a day (I got the job when I was 20). I owed the bootcamp 10k and have already paid it off. The bootcamp didn't teach me anything valuable, it was only useful because they have direct partnerships with technical recruiters so I got 10+ interviews right after finishing it whereas I couldn't get a single interview applying to jobs regularly with my empty resume.

University for computer science is a scam and retarded unless you're low-IQ and don't have the discipline to learn by yourself. The only real value of university is the degree which helps your resume. People who think just doing the coursework and studying for exams for their undergrad computer science degree is enough to get them a job are delusional, you will have to self-teach most of what you will use at a job regardless. The vast majority of computer science curriculums even at top universities are behind the industry by at least 5 years, you'll basically only learn some fundamentals and math which are basically only useful if you want to get into low-level system engineering or data science/AI postgrad. So regardless, you will still have to self-teach current technologies if you want a job and you'll also have to study for interviews in your own time.

Web development whether it be front-end, back-end or full-stack is your best bet for getting your foot in the door because of its lower barrier of entry and high demand. I chose full-stack (which is both back-end and front-end), it pays the most, and it makes you eligible for all 3 types of jobs which increases your chances of getting a job (if you only did front-end, you're not going to get a back-end job). Front-end is the easiest and will take less time but you will almost certainly make less than 100k on your first job.

Everything is free online or $12 on udemy, just google "[front-end/back-end/full-stack] developer roadmap" and you'll know exactly what to study and in what order. You will also need to study algorithm and data structure interview questions (literally memorize the answers and explanations to the common ones, it's hard to wing it during the interview even if you know how to solve it). Leetcode and hackerrank are good places to practice these and have real interview questions asked by recruiters, leetcode premium is worth it.

The whole process from starting to getting the job offer for me was less than 8 months but I did have some prior programming experience. I was also NEETmaxxing during this time so I had infinite free time.

Keep in mind this only works in NA where software salaries are inflated, EUcels probably won't have as much success because software engineers there get paid slave wages compared to here, and I also don't know whether companies there are moving away from degrees the same way companies here are. If you're a currycel in India then it's over and you can just forget you even saw this thread because too many people in India are programming-maxxed and willing to work for $3 an hour.

Also never forget that even if you're a moneymaxxed subhuman like myself, a Chad working at walmart will still slay more than you

Can you tell me about CISSP certification apparently its The CISSP is one of the world's most valued information technology and information security certifications. With a proven track record over 25 years in the making, the CISSP truly demonstrates that you are at the top of your cybersecurity game in terms of both knowledge and experience. I am a EU white monkey the course is 6k surely i can like you said study it then just take exam

 

[Alexanderr]

Ended up buying an Academind subscription after reading this thread. Very good teachers indeed. Think I'll follow their 100 days of code course and maybe practice some more along the way.

 

[Eduardo DOV]

do you work remotely?

 

[Eduardo DOV]

Bootcamp cost will vary from bootcamp to bootcamp but it is usually around the 10k range from what I've seen. Most have a pay later model which means you don't actually pay anything upfront. If you get accepted into the bootcamp, you pay nothing (some do charge a small fee) and then only pay them if you get a job. The terms vary but usually it'll be something like "Only pay if you get a full-time software engineering job that pays more than $XXXX a year within X months of completing the program." So if you fail miserably and don't get a job at all after a year, you don't owe anything.

You need to be careful though because it is very possible to get cucked here, because even if you got a job after the bootcamp through your own connections and job applications (eg. the bootcamp didn't hook you up with it), you will still owe them the money. This happened to a friend I met in the same bootcamp cohort as me. He was retarded and didn't actually even study for interviews, so he didn't pass any of the ones that the bootcamp got him. He spent the next 5 months jobless constantly applying to jobs by himself (basically exactly where he would be if he just hadn't gone to the bootcamp in the first place), I even tried to help him by referring him at my company but he failed that interview as well Eventually he did find a shitty job which paid JUST above the minimum salary you need to make in order to owe the bootcamp, so he still had to pay them 10k and is most likely still paying it off now JFL So just make sure you're good and know exactly what you're doing before you even think about signing a bootcamp contract, otherwise you won't even benefit from it at all and will just be forced to pay them money for nothing even if you find a job.

Whether the job is remote or on-site will depend on the company, most tech companies now give you the option. My job is remote but if I lived in the city of our office I could go to the office if I wanted to, I have coworkers who do live near the office but still choose to work from home.


Tbh I wasted a lot of time tutorial/course-hopping which is something you should avoid and I think is the biggest trap that most self-taught people fall into and never get out of, which is why most will never succeed. Everyone vouches for freecodecamp but the course is text-based and personally I have autism and can't learn from anything other than videos, but it might work for you. Academind has the best courses imo and if I were to start over I would only use their courses. They have loads of courses which teach all the topics you need and the nice thing is it's the same guy in every course and his teaching style stays the same, so it's just more consistent and easy to follow. When I was learning from his courses I had to buy each course separately on udemy for $12 each, but now they have a subscription on their own website which lets you pay $20 a month and get access to all of them. If you don't want to pay just look on YouTube for complete courses on certain topics (either the very long videos, or a complete playlist that goes from A to Z). Also make sure that whatever tutorial or course you're following is less than a year old, technologies change fast so you don't want to be learning the outdated way of doing things. This mainly applies to things like frameworks, with fundamentals and actual programming languages they don't change as much so you can use stuff 2-3 years old, for JavaScript just make sure it's ES6+.

I don't know much about the Odin project so I can't give you a good answer.

I did have personal projects, you should too. The courses are all project-based (eg. the course revolves around building a project) but you shouldn't become reliant on them. This is how you get stuck in tutorial-hell like so many other people, where you're unable to build anything on your own without a course holding your hand every step of the way. Building your own projects without any tutorial is the only way you will actually learn to code and also demonstrate to recruiters that you know how to code You don't need more than 3 good projects in your portfolio, and by "good" I mean something relatively complex that shows that you know what you're doing, not a todo-list app or basic calculator. For full-stack this would mean an app that includes authentication and a database. You should also have the code on your GitHub, and the project itself should be hosted somewhere and accessible for someone to try. For front-end this is easy because you can use GitHub Pages to host it for free, for back-end you'll need to actually get a server to run your backend on, you can do this with AWS/GCP or just use Heroku which is a lot simpler. If you are doing back-end only though it's hard to actually have good projects to put in your portfolio because you can't really display them in a user-friendly way that the evaluator can test, unless you learn at least some front-end.



This is actually a common myth. There is actually a SHORTAGE of good web developers. People think it's saturated because everybody is trying to get into it, but the vast majority of those people are retarded and will never actually be able to write quality code on their own. They all make the same mistake of completing 50 different courses without ever actually trying to build something on their own (which is the way you actually learn). Literally everyone can follow a course, the instructor is legit telling you what to do jfl. You learn by figuring things out on your own (not entirely on your own, you'll obviously need to google things every time, but without the guidance and direction that a course gives you). This is why if you look at so many of these self-taught web developers' portfolios, all their projects are projects ripped straight from popular courses, they didn't build them on their own, they just had their hand held the entire time by the course instructor who is the one who actually built the project. There are thousands of these people but companies don't want any of them.

Another thing is salaries vary greatly from company to company, sector to sector, and location to location. A fintech company in SF or NYC will pay a web developer way more than a regional grocery store chain company would, even if it's for the exact same role on paper.

This also brings me to another crucial tip I forgot to include in the original post: Don't accept the first offer you get. If you pass a company's interviews and get a job offer but you have other interviews from other companies lined up, wait until you complete all of them before deciding. Most companies will give you at least a couple of weeks to make a decision. I had 14 interviews in less than 3 weeks but only 3 resulted in job offers. I really wanted to accept the first job offer I got (I almost did because I was so excited since I was a 20 year old NEET who just received an 80k job offer, but my high-IQ dad told me to wait until I finish all my interviews). The second and third offers both paid more than the first (I ended up accepting the second). I would be making almost HALF of what I make currently if I had accepted the first With that being said, also don't be retarded and greedy and reject every offer thinking that you'll later get more interviews and pass them and get better offers. Always settle for whichever is the best available option. You can always start applying to other companies while working the job you accepted if you're not happy with it, but it will always be better than nothing.

so, you could be living in another country ?

 

[orthognathicenjoyer]

Self-teaching programming (specifically web development) is the easiest and most effective moneymaxxing method as long as you're not low-IQ and lazy.

I didn't go to university, I self-taught at home and then went through a bootcamp and got a job at a big company through them. I'm 21 years old making 160k total comp (130k is cash) and I barely work 3 hours a day (I got the job when I was 20). I owed the bootcamp 10k and have already paid it off. The bootcamp didn't teach me anything valuable, it was only useful because they have direct partnerships with technical recruiters so I got 10+ interviews right after finishing it whereas I couldn't get a single interview applying to jobs regularly with my empty resume.

University for computer science is a scam and retarded unless you're low-IQ and don't have the discipline to learn by yourself. The only real value of university is the degree which helps your resume. People who think just doing the coursework and studying for exams for their undergrad computer science degree is enough to get them a job are delusional, you will have to self-teach most of what you will use at a job regardless. The vast majority of computer science curriculums even at top universities are behind the industry by at least 5 years, you'll basically only learn some fundamentals and math which are basically only useful if you want to get into low-level system engineering or data science/AI postgrad. So regardless, you will still have to self-teach current technologies if you want a job and you'll also have to study for interviews in your own time.

Web development whether it be front-end, back-end or full-stack is your best bet for getting your foot in the door because of its lower barrier of entry and high demand. I chose full-stack (which is both back-end and front-end), it pays the most, and it makes you eligible for all 3 types of jobs which increases your chances of getting a job (if you only did front-end, you're not going to get a back-end job). Front-end is the easiest and will take less time but you will almost certainly make less than 100k on your first job.

Everything is free online or $12 on udemy, just google "[front-end/back-end/full-stack] developer roadmap" and you'll know exactly what to study and in what order. You will also need to study algorithm and data structure interview questions (literally memorize the answers and explanations to the common ones, it's hard to wing it during the interview even if you know how to solve it). Leetcode and hackerrank are good places to practice these and have real interview questions asked by recruiters, leetcode premium is worth it.

The whole process from starting to getting the job offer for me was less than 8 months but I did have some prior programming experience. I was also NEETmaxxing during this time so I had infinite free time.

Keep in mind this only works in NA where software salaries are inflated, EUcels probably won't have as much success because software engineers there get paid slave wages compared to here, and I also don't know whether companies there are moving away from degrees the same way companies here are. If you're a currycel in India then it's over and you can just forget you even saw this thread because too many people in India are programming-maxxed and willing to work for $3 an hour.

Also never forget that even if you're a moneymaxxed subhuman like myself, a Chad working at walmart will still slay more than you

great thread, I'm currently learning web dev. What about personal projects ? Aren't these very important to have a portfolio and increase your chances of being hired.

 

[Deleted member 31155]

great thread, I'm currently learning web dev. What about personal projects ? Aren't these very important to have a portfolio and increase your chances of being hired.

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[koalendo]

great thread, I'm currently learning web dev. What about personal projects ? Aren't these very important to have a portfolio and increase your chances of being hired.

Yes they are very important