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25? 30? 40?
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Depends on the individual. For Chico it was around 18/20 years old for Gandy it was around his late 20s/early 30s
 
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@eduardkoopman thoughts?
I know you'll always be young and beautiful
On an INDIVIDUAL bais. It can be "any" age.

On average, the average male SMV peak time is 25-29 orso.

Age, is less of factor IN ITSELF, for men.
A 35 yo Chad, had equal SMV as a 22 year old Chad. While a 35 year old Stacy, has lower SMV by default than a 22 year old Stacy.

But most men, get ugly ALOT after 30. They get Fat(ter), bald, ugly skin, etc.....So, they basically get uglier causing the SMV loss.

1. 30% of men become fatties in their 30's.
So 30% of men ctrl-alt-delete their SMV because the become fatso's
71dyepgxbekwogzi07lz_w.gif

AGING = BECOMING FAT for average peoples
According to the statts of average people.

Trend-in-prevalence-of-overweight-and-obesity-by-sex-and-age-group.png




2. Plenty men, get collagen raped already in 30's.
Because they do zero or very limited skincare, and skin (sun) protection.

3. 25% of men are balding significantly, or bald, by age 30.
So their SMV gets raped by their hairline (exception of men with great skin shape, they can pull of bald).
imageLikeEmbed_grande.png


Above is in line with muh observations around me, as an oldie-ish person (38).
I would say like 50% of men in their 30's completle gets their physical SMV deleted to near zero. Whereas in the age group of men at 20 years old, Maybe only 25% og men have zero physical SMV.


I think, overall.
it's best to look late 20's; early thirties. But than obviously the type of late 20's man that is still lean/low bf, has good hair, and decent skin.

I liked this piece about age and SMV of a man.

**** copy paste essay *****
male peak 25-35

To be serious. Here the copy paste text on age.

Being attractive looking, matters for men most. Age matters limited/less; it matters mainly as to of how much it affects his attractiveness in looks.

A man is as "old" as he is looking. His age is as his:
* Skin Quality, And
* Hairline (and color).



An elaboration on age.

Male peak is on average 26 - 36 years old. (if he: doesn't go ugly bald(ing), doesn't get fat, doesn't get fucked up skin)

tl;dr:
https://iconicmen.wordpress.com/2013/10/24/smv-is-it-real/

Massive OkCupid study done on Age and SMV decline and peak on Men and Women based on overall desirability. Done in 2015 with both young and older people. Millions of people.

https://thesocietypages.org/socimages/files/2010/02/8.png
https://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2015/07/03/ok-cupid-data-on-sex-desirability-and-age/

Aging and desirability of both men and women is something this community gets wrong most of the time. While "the wall" is hyperbole female desirability drops very far very fast after 23-24 and male desirability on average shoots up to about 26-27 where it peaks for a good 10 years, then declines.

"Attractive 34 year old Guy matched with 18.9% of the women under 27 years old he swiped right on. This is only slightly less than Attractive 26 year old Guy. The average age of these women was 23.7 and the average age of his matches was 24.3. Attractive 34 year old Guy didn’t pay much, if any, penalty for being 10 years older than the average female on Tinder. Apparently for males attractive is attractive at any age. "

AGE BLACKPILL-
Male Prime=26-36


Go lookup "hot men" on google, nearly 75% of results are of men aged in that bracket above. Plenty Chads become higher tier chads in their early-mid 30s before declining.

SOME older guys have higher SMV with age(Chads and Chadlites). Age isn't the crippling factor some blackpill guys make it out to be. It's OVER after 25, crowds. Go look up "Top 100 sexiest men" or "/r/ladyboners" or just google "Hot guys" and the MAJORITY of those guys are in their late twenties to mid thirties. This is because testosterone causes masculinization of the face and voice over your entire lifetime. Meaning your voice and face and still changing(albeit much slower) even in your 20's and 30's.

Age doesn't make much of a difference to women (as it does to us men, visa versa) as long as you're actually attractive.

For example:

See Here - He's in his Thirties.

Perhaps even better this tinder experiment article down below concerning younger vs older attractive men on tinder. Make sure you read and understand the entire article, but in summary a 26 year old attractive guy on tinder pulled tons of foids. A 34 year old attractive guy pulled even more(age ranges, older women have less options) and when factoring for age and setting the 34 year old man to an age range only allowing matches between 18-26 he pulled 3% less of this age range than the 26 year old. See this picture here.

Tinder Experiments

Tinder Experiments II: Guys, unless you are really hot you are probably better off not wasting your time on Tinder — a quantitative socio-economic study

In summary JFL if you aren't attractive, age doesn't matter much only your face.

Look at the way roasties talk about guys like Jared Leto, they would gladly line themselves up, strip down, and allow him to plow them all one by one without a care in the world about his age. The dude is just attractive looking.

Think about how creepy it would be perceived if a 35 year old man were to be flirting with a 19 year old foid in the club. Now picture this 35 year old men flirting with her. Suddenly it went from creepy to A-okay with her, her friends, and everyone else(except bitter old roasties). Hell I bet if you're a loaded 35 year old and look like this you could pull her and her friends. Tell them there'a an after party with booze, movies, a huge TV, a Jacuzzi/Hot-tub, and a pool at your mansion. You get her and her friends and they would prefer you over a guy her own age of equal attractive with less flashy shit. That's a fact. Once guys are of equal attractiveness it comes down to other stuff after that, like status(or the perception there of), and money. You get the picture. Age plays a limited role, it's how you look that matters most/all.


Some graphs. To top it off:

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On an INDIVIDUAL bais. It can be "any" age.

On average, the average male SMV peak time is 25-29 orso.

Age, is less of factor IN ITSELF, for men.
A 35 yo Chad, had equal SMV as a 22 year old Chad. While a 35 year old Stacy, has lower SMV by default than a 22 year old Stacy.

But most men, get ugly ALOT after 30. They get Fat(ter), bald, ugly skin, etc.....So, they basically get uglier causing the SMV loss.

1. 30% of men become fatties in their 30's.
So 30% of men ctrl-alt-delete their SMV because the become fatso's
71dyepgxbekwogzi07lz_w.gif

AGING = BECOMING FAT for average peoples
According to the statts of average people.

Trend-in-prevalence-of-overweight-and-obesity-by-sex-and-age-group.png




2. Plenty men, get collagen raped already in 30's.
Because they do zero or very limited skincare, and skin (sun) protection.

3. 25% of men are balding significantly, or bald, by age 30.
So their SMV gets raped by their hairline (exception of men with great skin shape, they can pull of bald).
imageLikeEmbed_grande.png


Above is in line with muh observations around me, as an oldie-ish person (38).
I would say like 50% of men in their 30's completle gets their physical SMV deleted to near zero. Whereas in the age group of men at 20 years old, Maybe only 25% og men have zero physical SMV.


I think, overall.
it's best to look late 20's; early thirties. But than obviously the type of late 20's man that is still lean/low bf, has good hair, and decent skin.

I liked this piece about age and SMV of a man.

**** copy paste essay *****
male peak 25-35

To be serious. Here the copy paste text on age.

Being attractive looking, matters for men most. Age matters limited/less; it matters mainly as to of how much it affects his attractiveness in looks.

A man is as "old" as he is looking. His age is as his:
* Skin Quality, And
* Hairline (and color).



An elaboration on age.

Male peak is on average 26 - 36 years old. (if he: doesn't go ugly bald(ing), doesn't get fat, doesn't get fucked up skin)

tl;dr:
https://iconicmen.wordpress.com/2013/10/24/smv-is-it-real/

Massive OkCupid study done on Age and SMV decline and peak on Men and Women based on overall desirability. Done in 2015 with both young and older people. Millions of people.

https://thesocietypages.org/socimages/files/2010/02/8.png
https://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2015/07/03/ok-cupid-data-on-sex-desirability-and-age/

Aging and desirability of both men and women is something this community gets wrong most of the time. While "the wall" is hyperbole female desirability drops very far very fast after 23-24 and male desirability on average shoots up to about 26-27 where it peaks for a good 10 years, then declines.

"Attractive 34 year old Guy matched with 18.9% of the women under 27 years old he swiped right on. This is only slightly less than Attractive 26 year old Guy. The average age of these women was 23.7 and the average age of his matches was 24.3. Attractive 34 year old Guy didn’t pay much, if any, penalty for being 10 years older than the average female on Tinder. Apparently for males attractive is attractive at any age. "

AGE BLACKPILL-
Male Prime=26-36


Go lookup "hot men" on google, nearly 75% of results are of men aged in that bracket above. Plenty Chads become higher tier chads in their early-mid 30s before declining.

SOME older guys have higher SMV with age(Chads and Chadlites). Age isn't the crippling factor some blackpill guys make it out to be. It's OVER after 25, crowds. Go look up "Top 100 sexiest men" or "/r/ladyboners" or just google "Hot guys" and the MAJORITY of those guys are in their late twenties to mid thirties. This is because testosterone causes masculinization of the face and voice over your entire lifetime. Meaning your voice and face and still changing(albeit much slower) even in your 20's and 30's.

Age doesn't make much of a difference to women (as it does to us men, visa versa) as long as you're actually attractive.

For example:

See Here - He's in his Thirties.

Perhaps even better this tinder experiment article down below concerning younger vs older attractive men on tinder. Make sure you read and understand the entire article, but in summary a 26 year old attractive guy on tinder pulled tons of foids. A 34 year old attractive guy pulled even more(age ranges, older women have less options) and when factoring for age and setting the 34 year old man to an age range only allowing matches between 18-26 he pulled 3% less of this age range than the 26 year old. See this picture here.

Tinder Experiments

Tinder Experiments II: Guys, unless you are really hot you are probably better off not wasting your time on Tinder — a quantitative socio-economic study

In summary JFL if you aren't attractive, age doesn't matter much only your face.

Look at the way roasties talk about guys like Jared Leto, they would gladly line themselves up, strip down, and allow him to plow them all one by one without a care in the world about his age. The dude is just attractive looking.

Think about how creepy it would be perceived if a 35 year old man were to be flirting with a 19 year old foid in the club. Now picture this 35 year old men flirting with her. Suddenly it went from creepy to A-okay with her, her friends, and everyone else(except bitter old roasties). Hell I bet if you're a loaded 35 year old and look like this you could pull her and her friends. Tell them there'a an after party with booze, movies, a huge TV, a Jacuzzi/Hot-tub, and a pool at your mansion. You get her and her friends and they would prefer you over a guy her own age of equal attractive with less flashy shit. That's a fact. Once guys are of equal attractiveness it comes down to other stuff after that, like status(or the perception there of), and money. You get the picture. Age plays a limited role, it's how you look that matters most/all.


Some graphs. To top it off:

0*XxUnEGiFe82-r4FA.jpg






DJl7mCEVoAEcTHT


mZR3HA5.png



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Are you getting payed for this? Just say 20-30 and be done with it
 
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16

JBs are all that matters
 
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20 year old chad with hair can fuck 16 year old
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16 is actually ideal. You are through pretty much all of puberty and therefore mog boys 2/3 years younger than you hard.

14 is the age of consent in most of Europe and the 16 is the ideal age for 13-15 yo JBs

JBs are both the most attractive, most faithful & cute, and also less competitive than 20 yo college sluts.
 
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16 is actually ideal. You are through pretty much all of puberty and therefore mog boys 2/3 years younger than you hard.

14 is the age of consent in most of Europe and the ideal age for 13-15 yo JBs

JBs are both the most attractive, most faithful & cute, and also less competitive than 20 yo college sluts.
:feelsyay:so you just need to be a teenager and an early bloomer and Chad
 
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Probably 13-18 HS football captain chad is all that matters.

Even movies,most movies are about high school,even normies realise that's the most important time of your life
 
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25? 30? 40?
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Late 20s, probably 27-28, that is for men who are developing into maesthetic chads, pretty-boys peak early on the other hand and by late 20s to early 30s start aging fast if they do not take care of their collagen.
Look at prime Pitt for example, he peaked around 27, while DiCaprio already had started to decline around that age.
 
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Prime years 13-20
 
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When you have full beard and gymmaxxed body. Usually between 20 and 30
 
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9-15, life ends when highschool begins
 
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I'd say around 22. Young enough to still be successful with 18 year olds without creeping a majority of them out, beginning to be financially successful and free, and had enough time to develop an athletic/ripped body.
 
I'd say around 22. Young enough to still be successful with 18 year olds without creeping a majority of them out, beginning to be financially successful and free, and had enough time to develop an athletic/ripped body.
Over for me, I'll reach my goal physique at 24
 
The peak years of life are usually when your still in school, afterwards it just goes slowly downhill as you age and there's more and more shit you have to deal with
 
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18 for chads, 20 for late bloomers, after 24 it's over.
 
On an INDIVIDUAL bais. It can be "any" age.

On average, the average male SMV peak time is 25-29 orso.

Age, is less of factor IN ITSELF, for men.
A 35 yo Chad, had equal SMV as a 22 year old Chad. While a 35 year old Stacy, has lower SMV by default than a 22 year old Stacy.

But most men, get ugly ALOT after 30. They get Fat(ter), bald, ugly skin, etc.....So, they basically get uglier causing the SMV loss.

1. 30% of men become fatties in their 30's.
So 30% of men ctrl-alt-delete their SMV because the become fatso's
71dyepgxbekwogzi07lz_w.gif

AGING = BECOMING FAT for average peoples
According to the statts of average people.

Trend-in-prevalence-of-overweight-and-obesity-by-sex-and-age-group.png




2. Plenty men, get collagen raped already in 30's.
Because they do zero or very limited skincare, and skin (sun) protection.

3. 25% of men are balding significantly, or bald, by age 30.
So their SMV gets raped by their hairline (exception of men with great skin shape, they can pull of bald).
imageLikeEmbed_grande.png


Above is in line with muh observations around me, as an oldie-ish person (38).
I would say like 50% of men in their 30's completle gets their physical SMV deleted to near zero. Whereas in the age group of men at 20 years old, Maybe only 25% og men have zero physical SMV.


I think, overall.
it's best to look late 20's; early thirties. But than obviously the type of late 20's man that is still lean/low bf, has good hair, and decent skin.

I liked this piece about age and SMV of a man.

**** copy paste essay *****
male peak 25-35

To be serious. Here the copy paste text on age.

Being attractive looking, matters for men most. Age matters limited/less; it matters mainly as to of how much it affects his attractiveness in looks.

A man is as "old" as he is looking. His age is as his:
* Skin Quality, And
* Hairline (and color).



An elaboration on age.

Male peak is on average 26 - 36 years old. (if he: doesn't go ugly bald(ing), doesn't get fat, doesn't get fucked up skin)

tl;dr:
https://iconicmen.wordpress.com/2013/10/24/smv-is-it-real/

Massive OkCupid study done on Age and SMV decline and peak on Men and Women based on overall desirability. Done in 2015 with both young and older people. Millions of people.

https://thesocietypages.org/socimages/files/2010/02/8.png
https://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2015/07/03/ok-cupid-data-on-sex-desirability-and-age/

Aging and desirability of both men and women is something this community gets wrong most of the time. While "the wall" is hyperbole female desirability drops very far very fast after 23-24 and male desirability on average shoots up to about 26-27 where it peaks for a good 10 years, then declines.

"Attractive 34 year old Guy matched with 18.9% of the women under 27 years old he swiped right on. This is only slightly less than Attractive 26 year old Guy. The average age of these women was 23.7 and the average age of his matches was 24.3. Attractive 34 year old Guy didn’t pay much, if any, penalty for being 10 years older than the average female on Tinder. Apparently for males attractive is attractive at any age. "

AGE BLACKPILL-
Male Prime=26-36


Go lookup "hot men" on google, nearly 75% of results are of men aged in that bracket above. Plenty Chads become higher tier chads in their early-mid 30s before declining.

SOME older guys have higher SMV with age(Chads and Chadlites). Age isn't the crippling factor some blackpill guys make it out to be. It's OVER after 25, crowds. Go look up "Top 100 sexiest men" or "/r/ladyboners" or just google "Hot guys" and the MAJORITY of those guys are in their late twenties to mid thirties. This is because testosterone causes masculinization of the face and voice over your entire lifetime. Meaning your voice and face and still changing(albeit much slower) even in your 20's and 30's.

Age doesn't make much of a difference to women (as it does to us men, visa versa) as long as you're actually attractive.

For example:

See Here - He's in his Thirties.

Perhaps even better this tinder experiment article down below concerning younger vs older attractive men on tinder. Make sure you read and understand the entire article, but in summary a 26 year old attractive guy on tinder pulled tons of foids. A 34 year old attractive guy pulled even more(age ranges, older women have less options) and when factoring for age and setting the 34 year old man to an age range only allowing matches between 18-26 he pulled 3% less of this age range than the 26 year old. See this picture here.

Tinder Experiments

Tinder Experiments II: Guys, unless you are really hot you are probably better off not wasting your time on Tinder — a quantitative socio-economic study

In summary JFL if you aren't attractive, age doesn't matter much only your face.

Look at the way roasties talk about guys like Jared Leto, they would gladly line themselves up, strip down, and allow him to plow them all one by one without a care in the world about his age. The dude is just attractive looking.

Think about how creepy it would be perceived if a 35 year old man were to be flirting with a 19 year old foid in the club. Now picture this 35 year old men flirting with her. Suddenly it went from creepy to A-okay with her, her friends, and everyone else(except bitter old roasties). Hell I bet if you're a loaded 35 year old and look like this you could pull her and her friends. Tell them there'a an after party with booze, movies, a huge TV, a Jacuzzi/Hot-tub, and a pool at your mansion. You get her and her friends and they would prefer you over a guy her own age of equal attractive with less flashy shit. That's a fact. Once guys are of equal attractiveness it comes down to other stuff after that, like status(or the perception there of), and money. You get the picture. Age plays a limited role, it's how you look that matters most/all.


Some graphs. To top it off:

0*XxUnEGiFe82-r4FA.jpg






DJl7mCEVoAEcTHT


mZR3HA5.png



httpatomoreillycomsourceoreillyimages306902.png.jpg
okay i am gonna hop back on skincare and retin a again , you are still one of the best posters here❤️
 
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Before puberty.
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There was once a magazine called Man's Prime.
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At 27 I'm noticeably in decline. Peak is as early as you make it, you have to start looksmaxing early, I only started at 19 and I didn't take it serious enough and SM inflation has fucked me so now I'm here.
 
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17-20. Late highschool to university age.
 
Physically about 23 by then your at the peak of your testosterone and physical ability
 
On an INDIVIDUAL bais. It can be "any" age.

On average, the average male SMV peak time is 25-29 orso.

Age, is less of factor IN ITSELF, for men.
A 35 yo Chad, had equal SMV as a 22 year old Chad. While a 35 year old Stacy, has lower SMV by default than a 22 year old Stacy.

But most men, get ugly ALOT after 30. They get Fat(ter), bald, ugly skin, etc.....So, they basically get uglier causing the SMV loss.

1. 30% of men become fatties in their 30's.
So 30% of men ctrl-alt-delete their SMV because the become fatso's
71dyepgxbekwogzi07lz_w.gif

AGING = BECOMING FAT for average peoples
According to the statts of average people.

Trend-in-prevalence-of-overweight-and-obesity-by-sex-and-age-group.png




2. Plenty men, get collagen raped already in 30's.
Because they do zero or very limited skincare, and skin (sun) protection.

3. 25% of men are balding significantly, or bald, by age 30.
So their SMV gets raped by their hairline (exception of men with great skin shape, they can pull of bald).
imageLikeEmbed_grande.png


Above is in line with muh observations around me, as an oldie-ish person (38).
I would say like 50% of men in their 30's completle gets their physical SMV deleted to near zero. Whereas in the age group of men at 20 years old, Maybe only 25% og men have zero physical SMV.


I think, overall.
it's best to look late 20's; early thirties. But than obviously the type of late 20's man that is still lean/low bf, has good hair, and decent skin.

I liked this piece about age and SMV of a man.

**** copy paste essay *****
male peak 25-35

To be serious. Here the copy paste text on age.

Being attractive looking, matters for men most. Age matters limited/less; it matters mainly as to of how much it affects his attractiveness in looks.

A man is as "old" as he is looking. His age is as his:
* Skin Quality, And
* Hairline (and color).



An elaboration on age.

Male peak is on average 26 - 36 years old. (if he: doesn't go ugly bald(ing), doesn't get fat, doesn't get fucked up skin)

tl;dr:
https://iconicmen.wordpress.com/2013/10/24/smv-is-it-real/

Massive OkCupid study done on Age and SMV decline and peak on Men and Women based on overall desirability. Done in 2015 with both young and older people. Millions of people.

https://thesocietypages.org/socimages/files/2010/02/8.png
https://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2015/07/03/ok-cupid-data-on-sex-desirability-and-age/

Aging and desirability of both men and women is something this community gets wrong most of the time. While "the wall" is hyperbole female desirability drops very far very fast after 23-24 and male desirability on average shoots up to about 26-27 where it peaks for a good 10 years, then declines.

"Attractive 34 year old Guy matched with 18.9% of the women under 27 years old he swiped right on. This is only slightly less than Attractive 26 year old Guy. The average age of these women was 23.7 and the average age of his matches was 24.3. Attractive 34 year old Guy didn’t pay much, if any, penalty for being 10 years older than the average female on Tinder. Apparently for males attractive is attractive at any age. "

AGE BLACKPILL-
Male Prime=26-36


Go lookup "hot men" on google, nearly 75% of results are of men aged in that bracket above. Plenty Chads become higher tier chads in their early-mid 30s before declining.

SOME older guys have higher SMV with age(Chads and Chadlites). Age isn't the crippling factor some blackpill guys make it out to be. It's OVER after 25, crowds. Go look up "Top 100 sexiest men" or "/r/ladyboners" or just google "Hot guys" and the MAJORITY of those guys are in their late twenties to mid thirties. This is because testosterone causes masculinization of the face and voice over your entire lifetime. Meaning your voice and face and still changing(albeit much slower) even in your 20's and 30's.

Age doesn't make much of a difference to women (as it does to us men, visa versa) as long as you're actually attractive.

For example:

See Here - He's in his Thirties.

Perhaps even better this tinder experiment article down below concerning younger vs older attractive men on tinder. Make sure you read and understand the entire article, but in summary a 26 year old attractive guy on tinder pulled tons of foids. A 34 year old attractive guy pulled even more(age ranges, older women have less options) and when factoring for age and setting the 34 year old man to an age range only allowing matches between 18-26 he pulled 3% less of this age range than the 26 year old. See this picture here.

Tinder Experiments

Tinder Experiments II: Guys, unless you are really hot you are probably better off not wasting your time on Tinder — a quantitative socio-economic study

In summary JFL if you aren't attractive, age doesn't matter much only your face.

Look at the way roasties talk about guys like Jared Leto, they would gladly line themselves up, strip down, and allow him to plow them all one by one without a care in the world about his age. The dude is just attractive looking.

Think about how creepy it would be perceived if a 35 year old man were to be flirting with a 19 year old foid in the club. Now picture this 35 year old men flirting with her. Suddenly it went from creepy to A-okay with her, her friends, and everyone else(except bitter old roasties). Hell I bet if you're a loaded 35 year old and look like this you could pull her and her friends. Tell them there'a an after party with booze, movies, a huge TV, a Jacuzzi/Hot-tub, and a pool at your mansion. You get her and her friends and they would prefer you over a guy her own age of equal attractive with less flashy shit. That's a fact. Once guys are of equal attractiveness it comes down to other stuff after that, like status(or the perception there of), and money. You get the picture. Age plays a limited role, it's how you look that matters most/all.


Some graphs. To top it off:

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I noticed you are ocd maxxing on anti aging threads/subjects , whenever it's discussed you post a lot :LOL:
 
At 27 I'm noticeably in decline. Peak is as early as you make it, you have to start looksmaxing early, I only started at 19 and I didn't take it serious enough and SM inflation has fucked me so now I'm here.
Where's it showing? Aging signs?
 
Physically about 23 by then your at the peak of your testosterone and physical ability
You peak in strength and endurance between 25 and 33, look at the studies. While you peak in stamina between 15 and 25
 
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everyone should strive to chuandotan max !!
 

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