alfaro strikes again

[CristianT]

 

[HerpDerpson]

Big improvement.

 

[Deleted member 23017]

How much does he charge for bimax with CCW, where can I reach him, does he have an official email address?

Does he do 3D modelling (if I remember the correct term)

I'm a recessed subhuman and this gives me hope.

 

[Adonis]

How much does he charge for bimax with CCW, where can I reach him, does he have an official email address?

Does he do 3D modelling (if I remember the correct term)

I'm a recessed subhuman and this gives me hope.

Muh aryan genes
@KING REIDYZ

 

[Deleted member 23017]

Big improvement.

Big?? HUGE improvement, are you stupid? She went from infinite SMV to Giga Giga tera infinite SMV +9000

 

[KING REIDYZ]

Muh aryan genes
@KING REIDYZ

 

[HerpDerpson]

Big?? HUGE improvement, are you stupid? She went from infinite SMV to Giga Giga tera infinite SMV +9000

Why the snark? OP implies that he botched her, which is clearly not the case. That forward growth is good for a female, if anything.

 

[chinpilled69]

Looks good tbh.
Probably looks godly in motion and nowhere uncanny.

 

[Deleted member 23017]

Went the snark? OP implies that he botched her, which is clearly not the case. That forward growth is good for a female, if anything.

Dude I would KILL for that result, wtf. It's insane. Now she's Tera Giga Chad +9000 only. Fuck, this gives me hope, maybe I won't have to rope after all

 

[fruitgunpop]

Overly projected nasion without equally forward frontal bone/supra ridge looks weird as hell.
I often see this in MtF transformers who gets their frontal bone shaved but their nasion are left overly projecting and masculinized.
@NegativeNorwood

 

[Deleted member 23017]

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Prof. Federico Hernández Alfaro - Instituto Maxilofacial

Bachelor’s Degree in Medicine. Bachelor’s Degree in Dentistry. Specialist in Oral and Maxillofacial Surgery. Cum Laude Doctor Degree (PhD) by the International University of Catalonia (UIC). Postgraduate education in Switzerland, Italy, Mexico, and the US. Director of the International Masters...

www.institutomaxilofacial.com

Is this the surgeon?

 

[fruitgunpop]

This is a decent resutl btw
Also I fucking hate these devious surgeon rats who exploits angles in photos to amplify/exaggerate results.
Fucking conniving bastards. Not once have I ever seen a non frauded before and after pics.

 

[BoneDensity]

Bitch so fucking hairy. Like a fucking werewolf.

 

[NegativeNorwood]

Overly projected nasion without equally forward frontal bone/supra ridge looks weird as hell.
I often see this in MtF transformers who gets their frontal bone shaved but their nasion are left overly projecting and masculinized.
@NegativeNorwood

As almost always, agree 100% with you.
Her face as a whole is too projected...nasion, maxilla and jaw, she now has the famous "hyperanteface"
IMO, orthognatic profile mogs hard, I truly don't see why someone would go to Alfaro for bimax and not to Raffaini other than not knowing about Raffaini.



Look at the difference in the nose, lips and jaw contour, in addition to the natural looking orthognatic profile...

Alfaro seems like the best option in the whole world for a SARPE, but other than that...not impressed with his eye for aesthetics tbh.

 

[Deleted member 22126]

As almost always, agree 100% with you.
Her face as a whole is too projected...nasion, maxilla and jaw, she now has the famous "hyperanteface"
IMO, orthognatic profile mogs hard, I truly don't see why someone would go to Alfaro for bimax and not to Raffaini other than not knowing about Raffaini.



Look at the difference in the nose, lips and jaw contour, in addition to the natural looking orthognatic profile...

Alfaro seems like the best option in the whole world for a SARPE, but other than that...not impressed with his eye for aesthetics tbh.

Why sarpe ?

 

[Deleted member 21062]

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[NegativeNorwood]

Why sarpe ?

He developed a minimally invasive protocol, has numerous papers about SARPE and can work with the Power Expander instead of the RPE device (he is friends with Juan Carlos Perez Varela, the Power Expander inventor). Basically, you get the very best in SARPE protocols + best device for expansion and can even work with Juan Carlos Perez Varela as an ortho (this is huge, most of the time you have to find a non bluepilled ortho willing to work with your surgeon for a SARPE, this is the most blackpilled, aesthetics focused ortho in the whole country and is also friends with the surgeon).

 

[6ft4]

Mirin how it was achieved with just lefort and genio, my surgical plan
Hyperanteface looks fine on women, it is literally all it takes to bring a foid from subhuman to average or slightly above
I'm impressed at how the lefort gave the impression of a fuller undereye area which was completely lacking fullness before hand (unless she had some cheek augmentation as well?)

edit: "Trasposicion de bolas de bichat" is likely the cheek augmentation she had

 

[Mongrelcel]

needs more projected nose tip

 

[NegativeNorwood]

Mirin how it was achieved with just lefort and genio, my surgical plan
Hyperanteface looks fine on women, it is literally all it takes to bring a foid from subhuman to average or slightly above
I'm impressed at how the lefort gave the impression of a fuller undereye area which was completely lacking fullness before hand (unless she had some cheek augmentation as well?)

edit: "Trasposicion de bolas de bichat" is likely the cheek augmentation she had

Yeah he moved some of her buccal fat to her undereye area

 

[Deleted member 23017]

Mirin how it was achieved with just lefort and genio, my surgical plan
Hyperanteface looks fine on women, it is literally all it takes to bring a foid from subhuman to average or slightly above
I'm impressed at how the lefort gave the impression of a fuller undereye area which was completely lacking fullness before hand (unless she had some cheek augmentation as well?)

edit: "Trasposicion de bolas de bichat" is likely the cheek augmentation she had

What about men? Does anteface look good on men, too? I mean, I'm no expert but surely it would still look 1000x better than a recessed subhuman face right?

 

[NegativeNorwood]

What about men? Does anteface look good on men, too? I mean, I'm no expert but surely it would still look 1000x better than a recessed subhuman face right?

Nothing looks better than an orthognatic profile (for both men and women), but the anteface is preferable to being recessed ofc.
Great orthognatic profile:

Also, most people confuse anteface with orthognatic profiles with head tilt. This is the same profile but with a head tilt, voila, "anteface is good"

True anteface is the dogmaxxed look, it looks lower class and less harmonious in comparison.

 

[NegativeNorwood]

@fruitgunpop Btw reading the case details, this wasn't done by Alfaro, it was done by Carlos de la Fuente

 

[Corleone]

edit: "Trasposicion de bolas de bichat" is likely the cheek augmentation she had

That‘s undereye fat transfer, right?

 

[Deleted member 17920]

As almost always, agree 100% with you.
Her face as a whole is too projected...nasion, maxilla and jaw, she now has the famous "hyperanteface"
IMO, orthognatic profile mogs hard, I truly don't see why someone would go to Alfaro for bimax and not to Raffaini other than not knowing about Raffaini.

What about ramieri

 

[NegativeNorwood]

What about ramieri

Good maxfac, will not dogmaxx you but Raffaini mogs hard IMO.

 

[Deleted member 16133]

oh god the nasal projection angle even suprasses the ideal male range of .55-.7 and way dogmaxxed in accordance to the ideal female range of .55-.6 this is really pushing it to be honest

her lower lip to submental plane angle is within the ideal range of 85-108

her Condylion-Gonion Menton Angle is 6.6 degrees below the lips which is ideal as well

Ramus to Mandible Ratio is WAY below the ideal range of 5:3-5:9 this ramus is extremely short in comparison to this extremely forward grown mandible

Looking at her frankfort occlusal plane this chin seems to have good projection, as it suprasses both the nasion and glabella

Her lower lip exceeds Rickett's E Line (The Esthetic Plane) by more than 1 mm, when it should be 2-3mm behind the line in caucasoid faces

Looking at the Burstone line ideally the lips should not suprass this line

The holdaway line (H line/Harmony line) measures the distance from subnasale to a line tangent to the soft-tissue chin and the vermillion border of the upper lip. In Caucasians this distance is ideally 5 mm but can vary between 3 and 7 mm. In well-balanced Caucasian faces the H line should just touch the outer contour of the upper lip and the lower lip should be on the H line or within 1 mm of it. African-American H line measurements from subnasale to the H line average 13 ± 3 mm so this is ideal

the steiner s1 line measures the upper and lower lip protrusion. Ideally, the lips should touch the reference line which they actually suprass it by .6mm

sushner's s2 line Ideal is 8.8mm for the upper lip, 6.7mm for the lower lip for women. Ideally for men, 10.3mm for the upper lip, and 7.8mm for the lower lip.

it seems like the main problem from this bimax result is that the lower third is to forward grown in accordance to the ramus nasal tip is WAY too overprojected and the radix is vertically too high never been a huge fan of alfaro's work, i've always liked gunson (overpriced i know) and pagnoni because i went to him myself for bimax and ascended hard

 

[Deleted member 2729]

Nothing looks better than an orthognatic profile (for both men and women), but the anteface is preferable to being recessed ofc.
Great orthognatic profile:

Also, most people confuse anteface with orthognatic profiles with head tilt. This is the same profile but with a head tilt, voila, "anteface is good"

True anteface is the dogmaxxed look, it looks lower class and less harmonious in comparison.

how do you define "orthognatic profile"

 

[NegativeNorwood]

how do you define "orthognatic profile"

The one in the left.

Basically, everything in the same line with the head in the frankfurt plane position*:

* Most "antefaces" are actually orthognatic profiles with head tilt and as such out of the frankfurt plane.

 

[Deleted member 2729]

The one in the left.

Basically, everything in the same line with the head in the frankfurt plane position*:
View attachment 1935248

* Most "antefaces" are actually orthognatic profiles with head tilt and as such out of the frankfurt plane.

Dr. Pagnoni will transform me from middle pic to left pic

 

[Tasty17]

The limitations of LeFort 1...

Bimax will never make you chad unless you fix your midface problem

Will you have a nice side profile? Sure... But you will never look good from the front... IPD, lips, lack of bone mass, no protrusion of the midface, width, orbitals, long midface - what will you do now? Bimax will give you maximum +1 PSL but never more. Anything less than LeFort 2 is cope...

looksmax.org

 

[ItsOver999]

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oh god the nasal projection angle even suprasses the ideal male range of .55-.7 and way dogmaxxed in accordance to the ideal female range of .55-.6 this is really pushing it to be honest
View attachment 1935142
her lower lip to submental plane angle is within the ideal range of 85-108
View attachment 1935143
her Condylion-Gonion Menton Angle is 6.6 degrees below the lips which is ideal as well
View attachment 1935146View attachment 1935147
Ramus to Mandible Ratio is WAY below the ideal range of 5:3-5:9 this ramus is extremely short in comparison to this extremely forward grown mandible

Looking at her frankfort occlusal plane this chin seems to have good projection, as it suprasses both the nasion and glabella
View attachment 1935148
Her lower lip exceeds Rickett's E Line (The Esthetic Plane) by more than 1 mm, when it should be 2-3mm behind the line in caucasoid faces
View attachment 1935162
Looking at the Burstone line ideally the lips should not suprass this line
View attachment 1935153
The holdaway line (H line/Harmony line) measures the distance from subnasale to a line tangent to the soft-tissue chin and the vermillion border of the upper lip. In Caucasians this distance is ideally 5 mm but can vary between 3 and 7 mm. In well-balanced Caucasian faces the H line should just touch the outer contour of the upper lip and the lower lip should be on the H line or within 1 mm of it. African-American H line measurements from subnasale to the H line average 13 ± 3 mm so this is ideal
View attachment 1935154
the steiner s1 line measures the upper and lower lip protrusion. Ideally, the lips should touch the reference line which they actually suprass it by .6mm
View attachment 1935164
sushner's s2 line Ideal is 8.8mm for the upper lip, 6.7mm for the lower lip for women. Ideally for men, 10.3mm for the upper lip, and 7.8mm for the lower lip.
View attachment 1935165

it seems like the main problem from this bimax result is that the lower third is to forward grown in accordance to the ramus nasal tip is WAY too overprojected and the radix is vertically too high never been a huge fan of alfaro's work, i've always liked gunson (overpriced i know) and pagnoni because i went to him myself for bimax and ascended hard

Youre an autist. It isnt this serious.

 

[6ft4]

What about men? Does anteface look good on men, too? I mean, I'm no expert but surely it would still look 1000x better than a recessed subhuman face right?

This is what I consider a male anteface, others can feel free to correct me
I think it looks good when forehead isn't too slanted because that's a very primitive pacific islander/general ethnic trait imo

Male Anteface

Looks good because forehead is not too slanted, the right mix of masc and fem features The outcome of mixing Brit + Slav genes The narrow face brit pheno prevents you from looking infantile while the broadface forward grown slav pheno balances the width and gives you forward growth

looksmax.org

Guys like Damian Kater are extremely forward grown but it results in the mandible looking super long which is typical among the new zoomer breed but one might argue it's less masc looking than a jaw that's less dogmaxxed

 

[Deleted member 16133]

Youre an autist. It isnt this serious.

Yeah it is this fucking serious the only thing that matters is being 8 PSL and if u don’t fit every check mark for all 92 ratios angles and features then it’s over and you will never get a girlfriend

 

[CursedOne]

very very good looking result. you guys are all low iq if you think that this is a bad result

 

[ItsOver999]

Yeah it is this fucking serious the only thing that matters is being 8 PSL and if u don’t fit every check mark for all 92 ratios angles and features then it’s over and you will never get a girlfriend

Well considering that theyre a girl and probably not a lesbian then im sure theyre fine...

 

[Erik-Jón]

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@StrangerDanger

Lifefuel

 

[CursedOne]

This op is a disgusting subhuman

 

[dough]

He didn't do that surgery.

It was another surgeon that works there

 

[Deleted member 16133]

Well considering that theyre a girl and probably not a lesbian then im sure theyre fine...

it's not possible to get a girlfriend without being 8 PSL thats the truth

 

[NegativeNorwood]

This is what I consider a male anteface, others can feel free to correct me
I think it looks good when forehead isn't too slanted because that's a very primitive pacific islander/general ethnic trait imo

View attachment 1935349

Male Anteface

Looks good because forehead is not too slanted, the right mix of masc and fem features The outcome of mixing Brit + Slav genes The narrow face brit pheno prevents you from looking infantile while the broadface forward grown slav pheno balances the width and gives you forward growth

looksmax.org

Guys like Damian Kater are extremely forward grown but it results in the mandible looking super long which is typical among the new zoomer breed but one might argue it's less masc looking than a jaw that's less dogmaxxed

View attachment 1935354

The thing is, you can't judge a side profile from those pictures, because those are not correct side profiles with the head in the frankfurt plane position:

Their heads are not fully in profile. First guy is opening his mouth in a semi 3/4 view and looking down a bit. Second guy is also not fully in side profile, with camera below his head and tilting his head upwards (angle frauding).
Those most likely are orthognatic profiles with angle frauding.

An "anteface" in the way most of this forum thinks about it or excessive bimaxillary protrusion looks weird and dogmaxxed, like the girl in the OP.

 

[freeone12]

only anteface accepted in 2023

 

[andy9432]

Their upper maxillas still look lackluster compared to everything else. Does Alfaro do anything for the upper maxilla?

 

[Dodevu]

From fuckable 99% to 99.9% of white knight soyboy cucks

 

[ChristianChad]

only anteface accepted in 2023

Shalom

 

[StrangerDanger]

@StrangerDanger

Lifefuel

wow she transformed from a pug to a madison beerlite

 

[randomvanish]

Nothing looks better than an orthognatic profile (for both men and women), but the anteface is preferable to being recessed ofc.
Great orthognatic profile:

Also, most people confuse anteface with orthognatic profiles with head tilt. This is the same profile but with a head tilt, voila, "anteface is good"

True anteface is the dogmaxxed look, it looks lower class and less harmonious in comparison.

henry cavill have anteface, I don't care other psl fags so anteface rulezzz

 

[250722]

View attachment 1935140
oh god the nasal projection angle even suprasses the ideal male range of .55-.7 and way dogmaxxed in accordance to the ideal female range of .55-.6 this is really pushing it to be honest
View attachment 1935142
her lower lip to submental plane angle is within the ideal range of 85-108
View attachment 1935143
her Condylion-Gonion Menton Angle is 6.6 degrees below the lips which is ideal as well
View attachment 1935146View attachment 1935147
Ramus to Mandible Ratio is WAY below the ideal range of 5:3-5:9 this ramus is extremely short in comparison to this extremely forward grown mandible

Looking at her frankfort occlusal plane this chin seems to have good projection, as it suprasses both the nasion and glabella
View attachment 1935148
Her lower lip exceeds Rickett's E Line (The Esthetic Plane) by more than 1 mm, when it should be 2-3mm behind the line in caucasoid faces
View attachment 1935162
Looking at the Burstone line ideally the lips should not suprass this line
View attachment 1935153
The holdaway line (H line/Harmony line) measures the distance from subnasale to a line tangent to the soft-tissue chin and the vermillion border of the upper lip. In Caucasians this distance is ideally 5 mm but can vary between 3 and 7 mm. In well-balanced Caucasian faces the H line should just touch the outer contour of the upper lip and the lower lip should be on the H line or within 1 mm of it. African-American H line measurements from subnasale to the H line average 13 ± 3 mm so this is ideal
View attachment 1935154
the steiner s1 line measures the upper and lower lip protrusion. Ideally, the lips should touch the reference line which they actually suprass it by .6mm
View attachment 1935164
sushner's s2 line Ideal is 8.8mm for the upper lip, 6.7mm for the lower lip for women. Ideally for men, 10.3mm for the upper lip, and 7.8mm for the lower lip.
View attachment 1935165

it seems like the main problem from this bimax result is that the lower third is to forward grown in accordance to the ramus nasal tip is WAY too overprojected and the radix is vertically too high never been a huge fan of alfaro's work, i've always liked gunson (overpriced i know) and pagnoni because i went to him myself for bimax and ascended hard

where tf do you learn all that

 

[250722]

where tf do you learn all that

im genuinely interested

 

[Deleted member 16683]

alfaro costs a whole mortgage he's like $40k which is not affordable for most people