Bimax result.

[malicieusss]

Good improvement. He was a mouth breather (obviously).

 

[Deleted member 27702]

amazing result actually

 

[extremchange628181]

Surgeon?

 

[malicieusss]

amazing result actually

Yes. He unfortunately doesn't know the movements. The genioplasty is quite impressive.

There are no visible step-off areas in the lower border although he clearly had massive height reduction.

 

[Deleted member 16683]

ofc it's going to look like a great difference but he is still mtn at best. most people here are not that badly deformed to start with, still good for him mirin his improvement

 

[malicieusss]

Surgeon?

He wrote a French surgeon living in Annecy: Dr Gindre.

 

[Akatlyn]

His face hot wider. Is it just the lense distortion?

 

[czwarty]

His face hot wider. Is it just the lense distortion?

He might have gotten some more width simply from aging (he's older on right) but yes, it's mostly lense distortion due to distance from camera. Which is why you shouldn't obsess over how you look on shitty selfies from arm length distance

 

[longjohnmong]

probably charged like 3k while niggas are paying 20k for muh ramieri

 

[BrownEyesWD]

His face hot wider. Is it just the lense distortion?

It would appear wider as the surgeon did shorten his face which gives this illusion. Could also be lens related.

 

[Deleted member 23804]

probably charged like 3k while niggas are paying 20k for muh ramieri

I need the doctor that does bimax for 3k

 

[blackckatt]

@slop slinger

 

[Deleted member 18582]

@slop slinger

it takes 7+ months to wait for surgery i nfrance

 

[metagross]

From invisible to invisible.

 

[DelonLover1999]

View attachment 2290024

left pic is lens distorted asf, but great ascension

 

[DelonLover1999]

I need the doctor that does bimax for 3k

if he's good then why's he charging this little? and if he isn't, why would you do it w/ him?

there must be a catch

 

[Reckless Turtle]

probably charged like 3k while niggas are paying 20k for muh ramieri

3k EU would only make sense with some form of health insurance in France. Going to Italy and paying that much for a top surgeon is still very viable as an American.

 

[blackckatt]

probably charged like 3k while niggas are paying 20k for muh ramieri

3k EU would only make sense with some form of health insurance in France. Going to Italy and paying that much for a top surgeon is still very viable as an American.

@slop slinger

 

[Deleted member 18582]

3k EU would only make sense with some form of health insurance in France. Going to Italy and paying that much for a top surgeon is still very viable as an American.

@slop slinger

Bimax in France is 3k-5k out of pocket

free if done under sécu

 

[Reckless Turtle]

Bimax in France is 3k-5k out of pocket

free if done under sécu

Source?

 

[blackckatt]

Source?

Its true, am french and i can say you is real

 

[Deleted member 18582]

Source?

For example here

Tarifs - Chirurgien Maxilo Facial Montpellier

chirurgien-maxillo-facial-montpellier.fr

Ostéotomie des deux mâchoires : 2000 à 2500 euros

Or here

Tarifs et honoraires de votre chirurgien maxillo-facial | Dr Chardain

Les prix des interventions en chirurgie maxillo-faciale et implantologie varient en fonction du type d’opération et des prestations de la clinique. Le tarif des consultations à Nogent-sur-Marne (proche de Paris) dépend du motif et de la complexité de votre demande.

www.chirurgien-maxillo-facial.com

Ostéotomie bi maxillaire + génioplastie

3000 €

1000 €

First one likely does not include anesthesia, not sure, but in any case I think in France it will be total around 4-5k usually

 

[longjohnmong]

if he's good then why's he charging this little? and if he isn't, why would you do it w/ him?

there must be a catch

because that's how much surgery costs in France. most maxfacs aren't promoting themselves as plastic surgeons and charging plastic surgeon prices, except in US where all surgery is expensive as fuck.

just browse r/jawsurgery and you can see lots of randos producing great results. it's only here that someone gets a good result and then everyone flocks to them and then they double their prices in a few years.

 

[DelonLover1999]

because that's how much surgery costs in France. most maxfacs aren't promoting themselves as plastic surgeons and charging plastic surgeon prices, except in US where all surgery is expensive as fuck.

just browse r/jawsurgery and you can see lots of randos producing great results. it's only here that someone gets a good result and then everyone flocks to them and then they double their prices in a few years.

Pretty interesting. Thx for the clarification

 

[Reckless Turtle]

Its true, am french and i can say you is real

For example here

Tarifs - Chirurgien Maxilo Facial Montpellier

chirurgien-maxillo-facial-montpellier.fr

Ostéotomie des deux mâchoires : 2000 à 2500 euros

Or here

Tarifs et honoraires de votre chirurgien maxillo-facial | Dr Chardain

Les prix des interventions en chirurgie maxillo-faciale et implantologie varient en fonction du type d’opération et des prestations de la clinique. Le tarif des consultations à Nogent-sur-Marne (proche de Paris) dépend du motif et de la complexité de votre demande.

www.chirurgien-maxillo-facial.com

Ostéotomie bi maxillaire + génioplastie

3000 €

1000 €

First one likely does not include anesthesia, not sure, but in any case I think in France it will be total around 4-5k usually

because that's how much surgery costs in France. most maxfacs aren't promoting themselves as plastic surgeons and charging plastic surgeon prices, except in US where all surgery is expensive as fuck.

just browse r/jawsurgery and you can see lots of randos producing great results. it's only here that someone gets a good result and then everyone flocks to them and then they double their prices in a few years.

That's surprising. You'd be paying 3x as much in Turkey even.

Orthognathic (jaw reduction) surgery in Turkey, Costs of Istanbul Clinics

Best Price for Jaw reductionn Surgery (Orthognathic Operation) in Istanbul Turkey. Discover the Reviews & the Costs of our Orthodontists & Clinics.

www.turquiesante.com

 

[Deleted member 18582]

That's surprising. You'd be paying 3x as much in Turkey even.

Orthognathic (jaw reduction) surgery in Turkey, Costs of Istanbul Clinics

Best Price for Jaw reductionn Surgery (Orthognathic Operation) in Istanbul Turkey. Discover the Reviews & the Costs of our Orthodontists & Clinics.

www.turquiesante.com

Yeah not sure why its so little in france

Costs and booking of your healthcare deal

Find and Compare Clinics & Doctors - Connect directly with Doctors, Get quotes and Bookings

www.123.clinic

 

[Reckless Turtle]

Yeah not sure why its so little in france

Costs and booking of your healthcare deal

Find and Compare Clinics & Doctors - Connect directly with Doctors, Get quotes and Bookings

www.123.clinic

...which raises the question as to why any decent maxfax would choose to open a clinic in France.

 

[Deleted member 18582]

...which raises the question as to why any decent maxfax would choose to open a clinic in France.

Similar prices you will probably find in most of western europe

I imagine its the same if not cheaper in italy and this is where pagnoni ramieri raffaini et al charge 20k+, just because they have good marketing

 

[Reckless Turtle]

Similar prices you will probably find in most of western europe

I imagine its the same if not cheaper in italy and this is where pagnoni ramieri raffaini et al charge 20k+, just because they have good marketing

You'd still need to explain this:

You'd be paying 3x as much in Turkey even.

Orthognathic (jaw reduction) surgery in Turkey, Costs of Istanbul Clinics

Best Price for Jaw reductionn Surgery (Orthognathic Operation) in Istanbul Turkey. Discover the Reviews & the Costs of our Orthodontists & Clinics.

www.turquiesante.com

 

[Deleted member 18582]

You'd still need to explain this:

I really don't know, may have something to do with different healthcare systems and ways doctors are compensated. Also I don't think that website is accurate, I've heard 4k-6k is the norm in Turkey as well.

 

[Reckless Turtle]

I really don't know, may have something to do with different healthcare systems and ways doctors are compensated. Also I don't think that website is accurate, I've heard 4k-6k is the norm in Turkey as well.

It just seems stupidly cheap, but I'm speaking from an American perspective.

 

[Deleted member 18582]

It just seems stupidly cheap, but I'm speaking from an American perspective.

This was my impression as well
cost of living is just so wildly different, a 150k salary in nyc affords the same lifestyle as 50k in paris. So for them, a 6k operation is like what a 20k operation is for us. Roughly speaking

 

[longjohnmong]

...which raises the question as to why any decent maxfax would choose to open a clinic in France.

because they're French and they want to live in France. all surgery is probably cheaper in France. is France just supposed to not have any surgeons?

also, look at what that Istanbul package includes. the French price is just the surgeons fee. and clearly a package including shuttle service from airport is catering to foreigners who have money. what are surgeons in smaller cities who cater to Turkish people charging?

 

[Reckless Turtle]

This was my impression as well
cost of living is just so wildly different, a 150k salary in nyc affords the same lifestyle as 50k in paris. So for them, a 6k operation is like what a 20k operation is for us. Roughly speaking

Fair point.

 

[Reckless Turtle]

is France just supposed to not have any surgeons?

any decent maxfax

what are surgeons in smaller cities who cater to Turkish people charging?

Good point.

 

[Deleted member 18582]

Good point.

There is definitely a brain drain from europe (and the entire world) to the usa for better pay but the barriers can be immense.

Especially with medical training, if a French doctor would want to practice in the U.S. they would have to do US Medical Licensing Exams, get certified by the Educational Commission for Foreign-Trained Medical Graduates, enroll in a residency program, and then take a third licensing test.

 

[Reckless Turtle]

There is definitely a brain drain from europe (and the entire world) to the usa for better pay but the barriers can be immense.

Especially with medical training, if a French doctor would want to practice in the U.S. they would have to do US Medical Licensing Exams, get certified by the Educational Commission for Foreign-Trained Medical Graduates, enroll in a residency program, and then take a third licensing test.

True, but if France is an outlier in the EU then the docs could move to another EU country.

 

[Deleted member 18582]

True, but if France is an outlier in the EU then the docs could move to another EU country.

The prices in France for most cosmetic surgeries are about the same in Italy, Spain, Greece... maybe marginally more in Germany and Scandinavia. My guess is that upending one's life and having to learn a new language and practice medicine in that new language, outweighs the marginal salary benefits.And that is assuming that the salary will rise disproportionately over the cost of living. I can see Switzerland, especially for French people, but everyone and their mother in the EU wants a job in switzerland so I think it's safe to say its not a significant brain drain. Not everyone chases the money in any case.

Beyond any minor potential financial benefit one might get from moving abroad is a legion of personal reasons that would make it more appealing to stay at home. I think the bottleneck with french surgeons is not that there may be lower quality work because of brain drain, but more because they are not as blackpilled aesthetically as I've heard.

 

[Reckless Turtle]

I think the bottleneck with french surgeons is not that there may be lower quality work because of brain drain, but more because they are not as blackpilled aesthetically as I've heard.

This is a realistic point as advertising on social media with bare minimum functional movements won't gain traction.

 

[Anchor_Ship]

He’s still recessed

 

[ronald_98]

I hate it when they use extremely unflattering/distorted before-pictures and then very flattering/long range photos for the afters.

The selfie cant be any worse, taken very closely , from a low angle and with low lighting, vs his after taken from a distance with good lighting.

 

[longjohnmong]

I hate it when they use extremely unflattering/distorted before-pictures and then very flattering/long range photos for the afters.

The selfie cant be any worse, taken very closely , from a low angle and with low lighting, vs his after taken from a distance with good lighting.

Okay, but the profile? Looks to be a candid shot. Dude had like 1" of mandible before surgery.

 

[GetShrekt]

@whiteissuperior lifefuel?

 

[GetShrekt]

I need the doctor that does bimax for 3k

U bout to wake up with three fingers and a kidney missing

 

[whiteissuperior]

@whiteissuperior lifefuel?

Needs more tbh

 

[longjohnmong]

here's another French surgeon result from reddit:

https://www.reddit.com/gallery/116a5cc

Dr Jean-Christophe Lutz

 

[Deleted member 18582]

This is a realistic point as advertising on social media with bare minimum functional movements won't gain traction.

In France it is also seen as passé to advertise surgery results at all on social media platforms

 

[Reckless Turtle]

In France it is also seen as passé to advertise surgery results at all on social media platforms

 

[Deleted member 18582]

Sorry, at this point take it or leave it

 

[malicieusss]

Source?

Me, Im French and had trimax done here.