Black Pill Marxism/socialism is right we are in a movie and the bad guys won

[blackpilled I lost]

Under capitalism profit is created via paying workers below the value they have created.
Socialist countries like eastern block and USSR, Pre 1956 (when took capitalist path. China pre 1976 etc were the fastest growing economies on the Planet. They had 0% unemployment free health care, education etc All whist starting poorer back many decades ago.
The west gave us some reforms like health care and 40 hour work week to compete with the soviet union but after the USSR went capitalist then dissolved the west is taking our workers rights away.
People often say " in the 70s/80s wages stopped rising with productivity" yeah that is because the USSR went against Marxism (and pushed this change on other left wing countries) and by 1976 China was capitalist too no one to compete with.
Think Khruschev's secret speech (which attacked Marxism via lying about Stalin indicating non Marxists had full power, they killed Stalin and did a coup as well) and Chinas market reforms.
Today we enslave the third world via unequal exchange through imperialism TLDR they live in poverty and produce all our shit. We invade, bomb and coup them if they refuse. The average person in the first world is still broke as it all goes to billionaire capitalists.
We have no democracy in every country we can vote for two parties that are both pro capitalism.
The free market causes constant recessions and economic crisis.

We are living in a movie where the bad guys won and the good guys are slandered.

 

[Krakowski]

 

[thereallegend]

Join the Communist Party before it’s too late.

Time to organize.

 

[Deleted member 31155]

who gives a shit about politics I just want to looksmax and mog people.

 

[User28823]

who gives a shit about politics I just want to looksmax and mog people.

Politics has affected every single aspect of your life

 

[copemaxxedturanid]

Socialism is when the state owns everything.Don't know about you but I'd rather be controlled by a couple of rich fucks than some radical party who might randomly kill me.

 

[longjohnmong]

Under capitalism profit is created via paying workers below the value they have created.

Why don't the worker just work for themselves and keep 100% of the value they created lmao

 

[Part-Time Chad]

who gives a shit about politics I just want to looksmax and mog people.

Politics affects literally every aspect of your life, whether you care about it, or you don't.

 

[thereallegend]

Why don't the worker just work for themselves and keep 100% of the value they created lmao

Petty bourgeois

 

[Krakowski]

All idelogies suck

Destroy ideologies and the modern world

@_MVP_

 

[anticel]

Socialism and Communism is a trap. It s the other side of the coin of Capitalism. Check who funded the Marxists in Russia and Germany in the 1920s.

 

[FutureSlayer]

Socialism and Communism is a trap. It s the other side of the coin of Capitalism. Check who funded the Marxists in Russia and Germany in the 1920s.

so what’s the goal

 

[anticel]

so what’s the goal

To get everyone dependent on the state and enslaved by it. Dispossession of the individual and taking away all his power. A few centuries ago the means of production was in hand of the people. Our ancestors produced their own food, etc etc. and traded it with other prodcuts (by using money). Central Banks used their monopoly on the money supply to slowly create debt based slavery (inflation aka hidden tax).
This + state regulations + taxes (=stealing from individuals who just trade prodcuts for their labor) gave means of production slowly from individuals to a few monopolies. Individual are now unable to produce anything for themselves. Now the of the means of production are in the hands of only a few.
And the ruling banking elite that is responsible for this by ruining the economy points the blame to this on "muh evil free market".

 

[Lord-Arthur_17]

Under capitalism profit is created via paying workers below the value they have created.
Socialist countries like eastern block and USSR, Pre 1956 (when took capitalist path. China pre 1976 etc were the fastest growing economies on the Planet. They had 0% unemployment free health care, education etc All whist starting poorer back many decades ago.
The west gave us some reforms like health care and 40 hour work week to compete with the soviet union but after the USSR went capitalist then dissolved the west is taking our workers rights away.
People often say " in the 70s/80s wages stopped rising with productivity" yeah that is because the USSR went against Marxism (and pushed this change on other left wing countries) and by 1976 China was capitalist too no one to compete with.
Think Khruschev's secret speech (which attacked Marxism via lying about Stalin indicating non Marxists had full power, they killed Stalin and did a coup as well) and Chinas market reforms.
Today we enslave the third world via unequal exchange through imperialism TLDR they live in poverty and produce all our shit. We invade, bomb and coup them if they refuse. The average person in the first world is still broke as it all goes to billionaire capitalists.
We have no democracy in every country we can vote for two parties that are both pro capitalism.
The free market causes constant recessions and economic crisis.

We are living in a movie where the bad guys won and the good guys are slandered.
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"If you told a person in the 1950s that in 2020 housing would cost over 50% of income, college would take a lifetime to repay, families could barely make do even with mom working, we were locked in endless wars, & govt was paralyzed by crisis?

They'd assume we lost the Cold War."​

Socialism and Communism is a trap. It s the other side of the coin of Capitalism. Check who funded the Marxists in Russia and Germany in the 1920s.

and Castro took money from the CIA. And what about this? He tricked them, there's nothing wrong with that
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Socialism is when the state owns everything.Don't know about you but I'd rather be controlled by a couple of rich fucks than some radical party who might randomly kill me.

Be part of the party and don't do stupid things - a very good way to achieve success in life ​

 

[Napoleon1800]

Communismmaxxing is real bro.

 

[LampPostPrime]

"If you told a person in the 1950s that in 2020 housing would cost over 50% of income, college would take a lifetime to repay, families could barely make do even with mom working, we were locked in endless wars, & govt was paralyzed by crisis?

They'd assume we lost the Cold War."​

This. The world's literally fucking on fire its sad.

 

[gribsufer1]

Socialism is when the state owns everything.Don't know about you but I'd rather be controlled by a couple of rich fucks than some radical party who might randomly kill me.

libertarian socialism

 

[gribsufer1]

libertarian marxist-leninism is ideal

 

[gribsufer1]

To get everyone dependent on the state and enslaved by it. Dispossession of the individual and taking away all his power. A few centuries ago the means of production was in hand of the people. Our ancestors produced their own food, etc etc. and traded it with other prodcuts (by using money). Central Banks used their monopoly on the money supply to slowly create debt based slavery (inflation aka hidden tax).
This + state regulations + taxes (=stealing from individuals who just trade prodcuts for their labor) gave means of production slowly from individuals to a few monopolies. Individual are now unable to produce anything for themselves. Now the of the means of production are in the hands of only a few.
And the ruling banking elite that is responsible for this by ruining the economy points the blame to this on "muh evil free market".

free markets are ok, but in russia collect8ve farms hsve existed for centuries and is the basis of communism

 

[copemaxxedturanid]

libertarian socialism

i don't have a stance on politics as it doesn't matter.Im waiting for the next -ism,we could have the next giovanni gentile in this forum ngl

 

[anticel]

"If you told a person in the 1950s that in 2020 housing would cost over 50% of income, college would take a lifetime to repay, families could barely make do even with mom working, we were locked in endless wars, & govt was paralyzed by crisis?

They'd assume we lost the Cold War."


and Castro took money from the CIA. And what about this? He tricked them, there's nothing wrong with that


Be part of the party and don't do stupid things - a very good way to achieve success in life ​

kek u are just a useful idiot for the ones causing the issues u are complaining about

 

[gribsufer1]

i don't have a stance on politics as it doesn't matter.Im waiting for the next -ism,we could have the next giovanni gentile in this forum ngl

libertarian marxist-leninism is the way borward

 

[Lord-Arthur_17]

kek u are just a useful idiot for the ones causing the issues u are complaining about

And any arguments? You don't have any, all you can do is call me an idiot​

 

[lunin7]

we are the bad guys

 

[anticel]

And any arguments? You don't have any, all you can do is call me an idiot​

1000s of. through history socialism has always been financed by banking elites. & even today most leftist are brainwashed to enslave our society with taxes etc

 

[Lord-Arthur_17]

1000s of. through history socialism has always been financed by banking elites. & even today most leftist are brainwashed to enslave our society with taxes etc

I haven't heard anything more stupid. The ruling class would support an ideology aimed at overthrowing it xD

Of course, you won't mention the fact that bosses steal surplus value from employees​

 

[Deleted member 18582]

Correct, and I've been a communist since I was 13

But No neo-revisionist crypto-Hoxhaist Trotskyist with Chinese tendencies for your face

And there's a facial economy even more primordial than any commodity based one, the former exceeds and overconditions the latter.

If a communist revolution ever happens, it will be spearheaded by a prettyboy, this much I guarantee.

 

[anticel]

I haven't heard anything more stupid. The ruling class would support an ideology aimed at overthrowing it xD


Of course, you won't mention the fact that bosses steal surplus value from employees​

no point in discussing this. you talk as if you have the brain capacity of a 10 year old.

"bosses steal surplus value from employees" - somewhat, what s really happening is that banks steal surplus value from everybody.

 

[anticel]

Correct, and I've been a communist since I was 13

But No neo-revisionist crypto-Hoxhaist Trotskyist with Chinese tendencies for your face

And there's a facial economy even more primordial than any commodity based one, the former exceeds and overconditions the latter.

If a communist revolution ever happens, it will be spearheaded by a prettyboy, this much I guarantee.

only betas are socialists bro :/

 

[Deleted member 18582]

only betas are socialists bro :/

You're right that capitalism and communism are two sides of the same coin. I don't identify with the latter in any serious way, its just the spirit of it that I am fond of. Something closer to its origins in Weimar Classicism more than in Marxism. In any case, I'm more obsessed with beauty than politics. I'll ascribe to whatever viewpoint the beautiful people have.

 

[Lord-Arthur_17]

no point in discussing this. you talk as if you have the brain capacity of a 10 year old.

"bosses steal surplus value from employees" - somewhat, what s really happening is that banks steal surplus value from everybody.

Banks are part of the capitalist system, so I don't deny it. However, don't be naive - Jeff Bezos, Elon Musk, Mark Zuckerberg or your local boss of a private company want to suck as much blood from you as possible
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only betas are socialists bro :/

A very funny method of manipulation - call someone a beta and you don't have to explain why you support the rich​

 

[anticel]

Banks are part of the capitalist system, so I don't deny it. However, don't be naive - Jeff Bezos, Elon Musk, Mark Zuckerberg or your local boss of a private company want to suck as much blood from you as possible


A very funny method of manipulation - call someone a beta and you don't have to explain why you support the rich​

yes & why do we even have to slave away for big companies? because high taxes & other leftoid laws make it impossible for the individual to be able to produce anything valuable for themselves.

 

[Lord-Arthur_17]

yes & why do we even have to slave away for big companies? because high taxes & other leftoid laws make it impossible for the individual to be able to produce anything valuable for themselves.

Taxes are not the essence of socialism. The most important question is - who owns the means of production?​

 

[anticel]

Taxes are not the essence of socialism. The most important question is - who owns the means of production?​

yup & I explained right here how the rich of today got its hands on the means of production. -> with the help of socialism

To get everyone dependent on the state and enslaved by it. Dispossession of the individual and taking away all his power. A few centuries ago the means of production was in hand of the people. Our ancestors produced their own food, etc etc. and traded it with other prodcuts (by using money). Central Banks used their monopoly on the money supply to slowly create debt based slavery (inflation aka hidden tax).
This + state regulations + taxes (=stealing from individuals who just trade prodcuts for their labor) gave means of production slowly from individuals to a few monopolies. Individual are now unable to produce anything for themselves. Now the of the means of production are in the hands of only a few.
And the ruling banking elite that is responsible for this by ruining the economy points the blame to this on "muh evil free market".

 

[Lord-Arthur_17]

yup & I explained right here how the rich of today got its hands on the means of production. -> with the help of socialism

We live in late capitalism. And socialism is not about benefits - it is about employee ownership of enterprises.

You rightly noticed that banks also serve the capitalist elite, but you missed something... and now think why the US so fiercely destroyed everyone who stood in their way, everyone who proposed an alternative to capitalism - Gaddafi's Libya, Salvador Allende's Chile, Yugoslavia and many other countries , which were forced to adopt American democracy.

I'm not your enemy, and you shouldn't be mine - we have the same enemy, you just don't know it yet.

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[Deleted member 31155]

We live in late capitalism. And socialism is not about benefits - it is about employee ownership of enterprises.

You rightly noticed that banks also serve the capitalist elite, but you missed something... and now think why the US so fiercely destroyed everyone who stood in their way, everyone who proposed an alternative to capitalism - Gaddafi's Libya, Salvador Allende's Chile, Yugoslavia and many other countries , which were forced to adopt American democracy.

I'm not your enemy, and you shouldn't be mine - we have the same enemy, you just don't know it yet.

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Mahito

 

[SubhumanCurrycel]

It’s a dog eat dog world

 

[copeistani]

Under capitalism profit is created via paying workers below the value they have created.
Socialist countries like eastern block and USSR, Pre 1956 (when took capitalist path. China pre 1976 etc were the fastest growing economies on the Planet. They had 0% unemployment free health care, education etc All whist starting poorer back many decades ago.
The west gave us some reforms like health care and 40 hour work week to compete with the soviet union but after the USSR went capitalist then dissolved the west is taking our workers rights away.
People often say " in the 70s/80s wages stopped rising with productivity" yeah that is because the USSR went against Marxism (and pushed this change on other left wing countries) and by 1976 China was capitalist too no one to compete with.
Think Khruschev's secret speech (which attacked Marxism via lying about Stalin indicating non Marxists had full power, they killed Stalin and did a coup as well) and Chinas market reforms.
Today we enslave the third world via unequal exchange through imperialism TLDR they live in poverty and produce all our shit. We invade, bomb and coup them if they refuse. The average person in the first world is still broke as it all goes to billionaire capitalists.
We have no democracy in every country we can vote for two parties that are both pro capitalism.
The free market causes constant recessions and economic crisis.

We are living in a movie where the bad guys won and the good guys are slandered.
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1. You claim you're blackpilled.
2.

3. Monarchy > Everything.

 

[Lord-Arthur_17]

1. You claim you're blackpilled.
2.
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3. Monarchy > Everything.

Nobody needs a parasite (monarch) - when the British Queen dies, I am Irish ​

 

[anticel]

We live in late capitalism. And socialism is not about benefits - it is about employee ownership of enterprises.

You rightly noticed that banks also serve the capitalist elite, but you missed something... and now think why the US so fiercely destroyed everyone who stood in their way, everyone who proposed an alternative to capitalism - Gaddafi's Libya, Salvador Allende's Chile, Yugoslavia and many other countries , which were forced to adopt American democracy.

I'm not your enemy, and you shouldn't be mine - we have the same enemy, you just don't know it yet.

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kek u should really get of your high horse buddy. i know exactly ur talking points & what world view u believe in because i did so as well at one point but u are wrong.

employee ownership of enterprises is literally liberalism lmao. any other way and it does not work. collectivism doesn't work. Liberalism is a good thing. The only problem is that our banking & money system is privately owned & basically a scam. The guys who are now in control of the means of production are so because of their banking scheme.

The communists were all financed by capitalists (in the Soviet Union as well as in Weimar Germany) because they wanted a revolution of the masses against European nobility aka the former ruling class. Communism was just a means to an end.

Yes & most of all they were forced to adopt the US Petrodollar & thus enslavement by the central banks. Libya, Irak etc all got fucked because they went against the Petrodollar system.

 

[Lord-Arthur_17]

employee ownership of enterprises is literally liberalism lmao. any other way and it does not work. collectivism doesn't work. Liberalism is a good thing.

Contradiction.

After all, is ownership of the means of production by employees good or bad in your opinion?

Economic liberalism is free market capitalism, individualism.
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The communists were all financed by capitalists (in the Soviet Union as well as in Weimar Germany) because they wanted a revolution of the masses against European nobility aka the former ruling class. Communism was just a means to an end.

Lenin received support from Germany only because they wanted to attack the Entente. Same with Fidel Castro - he got money from the CIA, but later turned against them.
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Yes & most of all they were forced to adopt the US Petrodollar & thus enslavement by the central banks. Libya, Irak etc all got fucked because they went against the Petrodollar system.

Just check how anti-capitalist Libya's economic policy was.​

 

[anticel]

Contradiction.

After all, is ownership of the means of production by employees good or bad in your opinion?​

ownership of the means of production as you mean it is impossible. there cant be all employees in charge. if you want everyone in charge you give everyone their own enterprise & make them create their own products = Economic liberalism. But that is not capitalism. Your understanding of Capitalism relies on complete misunderstanding of our system & of why there is a small elite that owns everything. Our system works much closer to the socialist utopia you want it to be.

Lenin received support from Germany only because they wanted to attack the Entente. Same with Fidel Castro - he got money from the CIA, but later turned against them.​

Literally all communist scum got loads of money from bankers etc. & yes I know about his Green book philosophy etc. The problem was that he did not bow down to the banking system... (petrodollars).

 

[capybara]

stop bumping this nigger thread
heil hitler

 

[Krakowski]

 

[Lord-Arthur_17]

ownership of the means of production as you mean it is impossible. there cant be all employees in charge. if you want everyone in charge you give everyone their own enterprise & make them create their own products = Economic liberalism. But that is not capitalism. Your understanding of Capitalism relies on complete misunderstanding of our system & of why there is a small elite that owns everything. Our system works much closer to the socialist utopia you want it to be.

What about worker cooperatives?
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Literally all communist scum got loads of money from bankers etc.

This is very interesting, considering that bankers spent a lot of money to fight communism. In almost every country where they staged a coup, the first thing they did was to privatize national assets into their imperialist hands.

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Nazism was a psyop produced by Wall Street to stop the expansion of the USSR.​

 

[Krakowski]

Nazism was a psyop produced by Wall Street to stop the expansion of the USSR.​

Wasn't a psyop but that was the reason they got economical support yes.

 

[anticel]

What about worker cooperatives?
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works but only on a smaller scale which is still good but this might as well be described as privateers working together.

This is very interesting, considering that bankers spent a lot of money to fight communism. In almost every country where they staged a coup, the first thing they did was to privatize national assets into their imperialist hands.

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I am talking pre WW2 - Soviet Union & Weimar Germany.

Nazism was a psyop produced by Wall Street to stop the expansion of the USSR.​

As @Krakowski said

 

[anticel]

Gaddafi's Libya, Salvador Allende's Chile, Yugoslavia and many other countries.
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Okay how many of those countries were real collectivist societies where the working class people = ruling elite? ALL of those countries just has a ruling elite who used Communism as a pretext for their rule.
Tell me one instance where there was truely a working collectivist society other than hunter gatherers & some feminist mutt societies in the desserts & rain-forest. The answer is there is none. There will always be hierarchy in society because this is the natural state of humanity. men will always have the will to power, physically or intellectually (like in political online debates). The reason why our society is fucked is that we are ruled by a merchant class rather than a warrior class.

 

[wyatt.is.weak]

Socialism is when the state owns everything.Don't know about you but I'd rather be controlled by a couple of rich fucks than some radical party who might randomly kill me.

most educated american

 

[Joe Rogancel]

libertarian marxist-leninism is ideal

nah its too degnerate, stalinism is ideal