Black Pill Marxism/socialism is right we are in a movie and the bad guys won

Okay how many of those countries were real collectivist societies where the working class people = ruling elite? ALL of those countries just has a ruling elite who used Communism as a pretext for their rule.
Tell me one instance where there was truely a working collectivist society other than hunter gatherers & some feminist mutt societies in the desserts & rain-forest. The answer is there is none. There will always be hierarchy in society because this is the natural state of humanity. men will always have the will to power, physically or intellectually (like in political online debates). The reason why our society is fucked is that we are ruled by a merchant class rather than a warrior class.
kolkhoz markets under stalin
 
Communism is just another kike scam (like capitalism). Lol at your IQ if you fell for it.
 
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they're not, thats why stalin did his purges
stalinism is a form of libertarian marxist leninism , stalinism just implies its seperate from trotskyism , holy shit youre stupid the gulags were for kulaks and a lot of it didnt even happen
 
you want to be slave cattle? nice
kolkhoz markets were cooperative run , this means its by the people for the people there no man on top profiting off of your work , there is no better means of production someome has to work , this is the best way , but yeah bro keep sucking some asshole ceos dick youre so free bro and not a slave
 
kolkhoz markets were cooperative run , this means its by the people for the people there no man on top profiting off of your work , there is no better means of production someome has to work , this is the best way , but yeah bro keep sucking some asshole ceos dick youre so free bro and not a slave
no one is profiting when you are working for yourself & selling your products on a free market. the difference between us is that i want to be free & you want to be a good goy slave
 
no one is profiting when you are working for yourself & selling your products on a free market. the difference between us is that i want to be free & you want to be a good goy slave
youre a fucking idiot yeah that might work for you , but whos gonna farm your food make your clothes etc a freelancing system for this work would be very gay , the current one is slavery, a cooperative is the best solution , where its fair for everyone
 
works but only on a smaller scale which is still good but this might as well be described as privateers working together.
Not only on a small scale, read about Revolutionary Catalonia, Free Territory of Ukraine, Zapatistas, Rojava
I am talking pre WW2 - Soviet Union & Weimar Germany.
"The capitalists will sell us a rope with which we will hang them"

Okay how many of those countries were real collectivist societies where the working class people = ruling elite? ALL of those countries just has a ruling elite who used Communism as a pretext for their rule.
I have already said that an official in the Paris Commune did not earn more than a skilled worker. Likewise, the first secretary of the Polish communist party lived in the same block as ordinary people. And you want to tell me that this is the same as the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie whose puppets are presidents like Biden or Macron?
Tell me one instance where there was truely a working collectivist society other than hunter gatherers & some feminist mutt societies in the desserts & rain-forest. The answer is there is none. There will always be hierarchy in society because this is the natural state of humanity. men will always have the will to power, physically or intellectually (like in political online debates). The reason why our society is fucked is that we are ruled by a merchant class rather than a warrior class.
But I agree! We need more warriors like Captain Thomas Sankara, General Wojciech Jaruzelski, Fidel Castro, Che Guevara etc.

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youre a fucking idiot yeah that might work for you , but whos gonna farm your food make your clothes etc a freelancing system for this work would be very gay , the current one is slavery, a cooperative is the best solution , where its fair for everyone
no that doesnt work for me cuz we live in a fucked system where everyone is taxed to death so that they have to slave away in big companies.
Not only on a small scale, read about Revolutionary Catalonia
"After the first few days of euphoria, the workers returned to work and found themselves without responsible management. This resulted in the creation of workers' committees in factories, workshops and warehouses, which tried to resume production with all the problems that a transformation of this kind entailed. Owing to inadequate training and the sabotage of some of the technicians who remained many others had fled with the owners the workers' committees and other bodies that were improvised had to rely on the guidance of the unions.... Lacking training in economic matters, the union leaders, with more good will than success, began to issue directives that spread confusion in the factory committees and enormous chaos in production. This was aggravated by the fact that each union... gave different and often contradictory instruction.[14]"
In response to these problems, the Generalitat of Catalonia, backed by the CNT approved a decree on "Collectivization and Workers' Control" on 24 October 1936. Under this decree all firms with more than 100 workers were to be collectivized and those with 100 or less could be collectivized if a majority of workers agreed.[15] All collectivized enterprises were to join general industrial councils, which would be represented in a decentralized planning agency, the Economic Council of Catalonia. Representatives of the Generalitat would be appointed by the CNT to these regional councils.[14] The goal of this new form of organization would be to allow economic planning for civilian and military needs and stop the selfishness of more prosperous industries by using their profits to help others. However these plans for libertarian socialism based on trade unions were opposed by the socialists and communists who wanted a nationalized industry, as well as by unions which did not want to give up their profits to other businesses.[16] Another problem faced by the CNT was that while many collectivized firms were bankrupt, they refused to use the banks because the financial institutions were under the control of the socialist UGT. As a result of this, many were forced to seek government aid, appealing to Juan Peiró, the CNT minister of industry. Socialists and Communists in the government however, prevented Peiró from making any move which promoted collectivization.[17]

"Anarchic communes often produced more than before the collectivization."


tdlr: it worked when they were left alone & not collectivized but the ruling elite "Socialists and Communists in the government" wanted to collectivize (=make them work for the state) instead
, Free Territory of Ukraine, Zapatistas, Rojava
& I bet that in every single of those "succesful cases" the communities flourished when they were left alone instead of being "collectivized". collectivization = enslavement by the state.

Also:
"Another aspect of the revolution was the rise of an anarcha-feminist women's movement, the Mujeres Libres. The organization, with 30,000 members at its disposal, set up schools to educate women and worked to persuade prostitutes to give up their way of life.[20] The anarcha-feminists argued that overthrow of patriarchal society was just as necessary for personal freedom, as the creation of a classless society."

-> collectivist society always goes hand in hand with matriarchy aka chad only.

I have already said that an official in the Paris Commune did not earn more than a skilled worker. Likewise, the first secretary of the Polish communist party lived in the same block as ordinary people. And you want to tell me that this is the same as the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie whose puppets are presidents like Biden or Macron?
because most communist leaders were ideologues who actually believed in their thing I give you that.
You are also right that we are ruled by a class of business owners & merchants but the reason for that is not muh free markets but the banking system. But I said that multiple times - it s like talking to a brick wall.
 
no that doesnt work for me cuz we live in a fucked system where everyone is taxed to death so that they have to slave away in big companies
jfl bro. and youre anti libertarisn marxist leninism
 
@Lord-Arthur_17

Tell me who actually owns the big global businesses like Amazon etc? Because those are actually not privately owned by one person but more like syndicates. The ones who are actually gaining the money are all by banks & investment funds. Blackrock, Vanguard, JPMorgan etc etc.
 
Nazism was a psyop produced by Wall Street to stop the expansion of the USSR.
No, it wasn't. The national socialists in Germany represented the genetic push back against Jewish infiltration of German society.
 
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Kike Propaganda
 
No, it wasn't. The national socialists in Germany represented the genetic push back against Jewish infiltration of German society.
Nazi propaganda
"After the first few days of euphoria, the workers returned to work and found themselves without responsible management. This resulted in the creation of workers' committees in factories, workshops and warehouses, which tried to resume production with all the problems that a transformation of this kind entailed. Owing to inadequate training and the sabotage of some of the technicians who remained many others had fled with the owners the workers' committees and other bodies that were improvised had to rely on the guidance of the unions.... Lacking training in economic matters, the union leaders, with more good will than success, began to issue directives that spread confusion in the factory committees and enormous chaos in production. This was aggravated by the fact that each union... gave different and often contradictory instruction.[14]"
In response to these problems, the Generalitat of Catalonia, backed by the CNT approved a decree on "Collectivization and Workers' Control" on 24 October 1936. Under this decree all firms with more than 100 workers were to be collectivized and those with 100 or less could be collectivized if a majority of workers agreed.[15] All collectivized enterprises were to join general industrial councils, which would be represented in a decentralized planning agency, the Economic Council of Catalonia. Representatives of the Generalitat would be appointed by the CNT to these regional councils.[14] The goal of this new form of organization would be to allow economic planning for civilian and military needs and stop the selfishness of more prosperous industries by using their profits to help others. However these plans for libertarian socialism based on trade unions were opposed by the socialists and communists who wanted a nationalized industry, as well as by unions which did not want to give up their profits to other businesses.[16] Another problem faced by the CNT was that while many collectivized firms were bankrupt, they refused to use the banks because the financial institutions were under the control of the socialist UGT. As a result of this, many were forced to seek government aid, appealing to Juan Peiró, the CNT minister of industry. Socialists and Communists in the government however, prevented Peiró from making any move which promoted collectivization.[17]

"Anarchic communes often produced more than before the collectivization."


tdlr: it worked when they were left alone & not collectivized but the ruling elite "Socialists and Communists in the government" wanted to collectivize (=make them work for the state) instead

& I bet that in every single of those "succesful cases" the communities flourished when they were left alone instead of being "collectivized". collectivization = enslavement by the state.
I support cooperatives (libleft), but if I have to choose between authleft and authright, I will always choose authleft.
Also:
"Another aspect of the revolution was the rise of an anarcha-feminist women's movement, the Mujeres Libres. The organization, with 30,000 members at its disposal, set up schools to educate women and worked to persuade prostitutes to give up their way of life.[20] The anarcha-feminists argued that overthrow of patriarchal society was just as necessary for personal freedom, as the creation of a classless society."

-> collectivist society always goes hand in hand with matriarchy aka chad only.
because most communist leaders were ideologues who actually believed in their thing I give you that.
You are also right that we are ruled by a class of business owners & merchants but the reason for that is not muh free markets but the banking system. But I said that multiple times - it s like talking to a brick wall.
I'm tired of pretending that capitalism would succeed if (((they)) didn't exist - the greed of private owners is universal
@Lord-Arthur_17

Tell me who actually owns the big global businesses like Amazon etc? Because those are actually not privately owned by one person but more like syndicates. The ones who are actually gaining the money are all by banks & investment funds. Blackrock, Vanguard, JPMorgan etc etc.
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Nazi propaganda
That's not an argument. Inclusive fitness, hamiltons rule, genetic similarity, assortative mating, group section are all facts of evolutionary theory.

Jews have been subverting white societies to better their own genomic survival which is supported by evolutionary theory. This isn't even debatable as there's endless quantitative data supporting it.

You are a mentally ill conspiracy nutjob with no argument.
 
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makes sense. only degen betas & women want collectivist societies. you are completely detached from reality & nature kid. you are basing everything on fake morals that have no basis in reality.

"cultivation of gender roles that capitalism has created is itself reactionary - especially because male gender roles continue to belittle men and reduce men to substitutable objects"

no. gender roles are a good thing. the purpose of men is to compete, fight, repoduce & die. you see this in every species.
with "fictitious capital" he doesnt mean nfts in the slightest.
 
That's not an argument. Inclusive fitness, hamiltons rule, genetic similarity, assortative mating, group section are all facts of evolutionary theory.

Jews have been subverting white societies to better their own genomic survival which is supported by evolutionary theory. This isn't even debatable as there's endless quantitative data supporting it.

You are a mentally ill conspiracy nutjob with no argument.
Eugenics is a pseudoscience and inbreeding is not a good thing. Mixing genes is good because it strengthens the species - lack of diversity is like incest.
makes sense. only degen betas & women want collectivist societies. you are completely detached from reality & nature kid. you are basing everything on fake morals that have no basis in reality.
I won't listen to this Nazi bullshit
"cultivation of gender roles that capitalism has created is itself reactionary - especially because male gender roles continue to belittle men and reduce men to substitutable objects"
no. gender roles are a good thing. the purpose of men is to compete, fight, repoduce & die. you see this in every species.
Argumentum ad naturam.

You support everything that is convenient for the ruling class - dying in wars, creating a betabuxx society (for vaginas), justifying misandristic policies...

@alriodai @LampPostPrime @Makhachev @thereallegend
 
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Eugenics is a pseudoscience and inbreeding is not a good thing. Mixing genes is good because it strengthens the species - lack of diversity is like incest.
Where did I mention anything about Eugenics?


Wrong. Inbreeding is good to an extent. 3rd and 4th cousin marriage is the most optimal on the genetic level. Race mixing is deleterious and results in migrational load, a form of mutational load because of the allele miss match to the environment resulting in a reduction of fitness.
 
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Where did I mention anything about Eugenics?


Wrong. Inbreeding is good to an extent. 3rd and 4th cousin marriage is the most optimal on the genetic level. Race mixing is deleterious and results in migrational load, a form of mutational load because of the allele miss match to the environment resulting in a reduction of fitness.
Your fear of immigrants actually comes from the fact that you are afraid that they will be more attractive than you. You complain that I advocate for a society that is also good for incels, and at the same time you support concepts that only benefit the most attractive men. This is absurd.
 
Your fear of immigrants actually comes from the fact that you are afraid that they will be more attractive than you. You complain that I advocate for a society that is also good for incels, and at the same time you support concepts that only benefit the most attractive men. This is absurd.
This is delusional. You are making things up as you go because you have lost. I don't "support concepts" for the sake of it. I follow the truth because I'm a passionate individual, unlike you.
 
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Argumentum ad naturam.

You support everything that is convenient for the ruling class - dying in wars, creating a betabuxx society (for vaginas), justifying misandristic policies...
whatever, just follow ur slave mindset. it s ironic that the world was literally setup for people with degenerate bodies & souls to pick up exactly on this ideology to give them peace. meanwhile supporting the further destruction of a once proud people..

but whatever gives u peace.
 
This is delusional.
Why?
You are making things up as you go because you have lost.
None of you have been able to deny a single line of text that I included in The Femboy Manifesto. You have lost
I don't "support concepts" for the sake of it. I follow the truth because I'm a passionate individual, unlike you.
Your truth is as real as the correctness of the flat earth theory, whose supporters I had the opportunity to discuss here xD

Both Nazis and Flat Earthers are in the dustbin of history


whatever, just follow ur slave mindset.
You are the one who needs a hierarchy, a leader who will solve your problems. I am of the opinion that the people should decide because power breeds parasites
it s ironic that the world was literally setup for people with degenerate bodies & souls to pick up exactly on this ideology to give them peace. meanwhile supporting the further destruction of a once proud people..

but whatever gives u peace.
Change is inevitable and no amount of violence, memes, or persuasion will make it possible to turn back the clock of history and halt it at the point where your people were dominant. Fascism is just the last guttering spark of dying cultures.

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None of you have been able to deny a single line of text that I included in The Femboy Manifesto. You have lost
I never commented on it 🤣


Your truth is as real as the correctness of the flat earth theory, whose supporters I had the opportunity to discuss here
Tried and tested methodology which has predicted power isn't akin to the flat Earth theory. You are yet again bringing up deluded nonsensical conspiracy theories which aren't real and trying to inflate that with mainstream evolutionary science. This is amusing, please continue making an arse of yourself.


Both Nazis and Flat Earthers are in the dustbin of history
And so is communism. Haha!
 
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Communism = cuckoldry.
 
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Eugenics is a pseudoscience and inbreeding is not a good thing. Mixing genes is good because it strengthens the species - lack of diversity is like incest.


I won't listen to this Nazi bullshit


Argumentum ad naturam.

You support everything that is convenient for the ruling class - dying in wars, creating a betabuxx society (for vaginas), justifying misandristic policies...

@alriodai @LampPostPrime @Makhachev @thereallegend
Imagine cavemen arguing about the social effects of farming in 15990 bc.

"Bro its unnatural not to risk your life daily! And having extra food isnt right either! Thats not how it works! Farming will be the end of us i tell you!"

Thats how the natural fallacy sounds
 
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You are the one who needs a hierarchy, a leader who will solve your problems. I am of the opinion that the people should decide because power breeds parasite
i dont need a leader but i am one. will to power is natural. we were bred for this & it is ingrained in our dna. millions of years of natural selection. the same way it is ingrained in females to only breed with attractive men. going against nature means depression & misery. life was never supposed to be hard -> either it s pure ecstatic-ism or death.

maybe the likes of you arent made for this but let me tell you: if that is the case you are too weak for this world & ur genes wont pass.​
None of you have been able to deny a single line of text that I included in The Femboy Manifesto. You have lost
femboys have no place in nature. their only place in a collectivist society where you can slave away for the males that mog you & the females that reject you. maybe that s why u want it?

you are just a failed male who won`t pass on his genes & your mental illness is natures way of telling you this.
 
I never commented on it 🤣
Because you are unable to deny what I wrote there - facts and logic are not on your side.

Tried and tested methodology which has predicted power isn't akin to the flat Earth theory. You are yet again bringing up deluded nonsensical conspiracy theories which aren't real and trying to inflate that with mainstream evolutionary science. This is amusing, please continue making an arse of yourself.
Conspiracy theories are the domain of neo-Nazis like you

And so is communism. Haha!
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Really?

Transgender rights
The GDR allowed for both men and women over the age of 18 to receive government-sponsored sex reassignment surgery as its healthcare system was free and fully nationalized. Transgender individuals were also allowed to marry and adopt children.[4] However, the GDR lacked any legislation addressing the recognition of a trans person's new gender. Consequently, this meant that after German reunification in 1990, subsequent constitutional interpretations of the Transsexual Law in the German basic law did not have to refer to East German provisions on transgender rights.[5]

I would also like to remind you that the Cuban Republic recently voted to grant equal rights to LGBT people.

Communism = cuckoldry.
low effort post

i dont need a leader but i am one. will to power is natural. we were bred for this & it is ingrained in our dna. millions of years of natural selection. the same way it is ingrained in females to only breed with attractive men. going against nature means depression & misery. life was never supposed to be hard -> either it s pure ecstatic-ism or death.

maybe the likes of you arent made for this but let me tell you: if that is the case you are too weak for this world & ur genes wont pass.​

femboys have no place in nature. their only place in a collectivist society where you can slave away for the males that mog you & the females that reject you. maybe that s why u want it?

you are just a failed male who won`t pass on his genes & your mental illness is natures way of telling you this.
Transmaxxed ex-incels will continue to spread their genes if they freeze their sperm before HRT, while chuds will remain incels for the rest of their lives.
 
Transmaxxed ex-incels will continue to spread their genes if they freeze their sperm before HRT, while chuds will remain incels for the rest of their lives.
"transmaxxed ex-incels" holy fuck dude srsly kys XD that is the most pathetic thing i ve read

who would continue the line of a tranny? women would rather kill themselves than do that lmao
 
"transmaxxed ex-incels" holy fuck dude srsly kys XD that is the most pathetic thing i ve read

who would continue the line of a tranny? women would rather kill themselves than do that lmao
Somehow, there are lesbians willing to do this. Femboys are mogging you to the moon and back
 
anything i said in this thread was done in a satirical context & should not be taken serious o. O

also, quote:
"Should the tyranny that has descended on our age ever gain the power it seeks and then be challenged enough to feel itself in danger, the mass annihilations that will be carried out by homosexual, transsexual, and especially lesbian commissars will exceed in scale and cruelty anything that has yet happened in known history. Imagine lesbian mulatta commissars with young Martin Sheen face and haircut manning the future Bergen-Belsens, installations that will span tens of miles."
 
yes other trannies & no sadly i ascended :/
It doesn't matter, you will never experience female privilege.

Men live shorter lives, are treated worse by society and have to work hard to get what women automatically get. You are at risk of going bald and becoming cannon fodder in the war. Inject estrogen before twink death hits or you'll turn into an ogre - you've been warned.
 
Communism CANNOT and DOES NOT work, it is 100% against basic human nature and is fundamentally incompatible with it. To get it to even SLIGHTLY function a ruthless dictator is a requirement. People WILL NOT EVER work for the good of the community, people will ONLY work for themselves and their families. This is why capitalism works so well, it utilizes this innate greed to benefit society as a whole, work WITH nature, not against it.

You are a naive child if you believe in communism. Soviets were suffering immensely and the only ones who want it to go back to that are russians who think they live in a democracy when the reality is they live in an extremely thinly veiled dictatorship (putin is a dictator, if you disagree then you’re just telling me you know literally nothing about russian politics)
 
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It doesn't matter, you will never experience female privilege.

Men live shorter lives, are treated worse by society and have to work hard to get what women automatically get. You are at risk of going bald and becoming cannon fodder in the war. Inject estrogen before twink death hits or you'll turn into an ogre - you've been warned.
that s the point bro. weak men are useless & a waste of space. their only use is to be slaves to society. that s the only reason they exist too. if you were raised naturally & healthy u would be chad now.
female privilege doesn't even exist. women are wired to feel awful when they don't get top men. same as men who are wired to feel like shit when they aren't successful with women. u can't escape nature bro
 
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Communism CANNOT and DOES NOT work, it is 100% against basic human nature and is fundamentally incompatible with it.
This has already been achieved. In prehistory. The example is hunter-gatherer societies.

In the communist primitive society, work was done by everyone who was capable of it, and its fruits - food obtained through hunting and gathering - were available to the entire community.

There was no private property and the means of production (tools, buildings, etc.) were publicly owned. Now humanity is heading back to communism, but with the difference that it is technologically advanced.

While it is true that no modern society has achieved a stateless, classless society on the scale of prehistoric communism, it serves as evidence that human societies have been able to organize themselves around principles of cooperation and mutual aid.

To get it to even SLIGHTLY function a ruthless dictator is a requirement.
You support dictatorship in the workplace, you think that a dictator (boss) is necessary for the company to operate while employees can manage the company without a private owner.

This is why capitalism works so well
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You forgot to add that it works but only for a small group of greedy rich people!

work WITH nature, not against it.
Imagine cavemen arguing about the social effects of farming in 15990 bc.

"Bro its unnatural not to risk your life daily! And having extra food isnt right either! Thats not how it works! Farming will be the end of us i tell you!"

Thats how the natural fallacy sounds
 
that s the point bro. weak men are useless & a waste of space. their only use is to be slaves to society. that s the only reason they exist too.
And you consider yourself strong? Nobody cares, especially here where most are incels aka weak men. Take the black pill instead of this ridiculous red pill you're presenting
if you were raised naturally & healthy u would be chad now.
I'm Chad. @alriodai can confirm, I'm just here for entertainment

female privilege doesn't even exist.
How do you feel saying the same thing as feminists? Like them, you think that men are privileged and women do not have a better life - of course, reality shows us that it is completely different from what cuckservatists like you and feminists portray it

female privilege doesn't even exist. women are wired to feel awful when they don't get top men. same as men who are wired to feel like shit when they aren't successful with women. u can't escape nature bro
That's right, now get the fuck out instead of sitting in front of the gay invention that is the computer (Alan Turing was gay) and go prolong the white race by impregnating your girlfriend... unless you don't have one, then pray, maybe God will have mercy on you
 
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I'm Chad. @alriodai can confirm, I'm just here for entertainment
u seem more like a tranny

How do you feel saying the same thing as feminists? Like them, you think that men are privileged and women do not have a better life - of course, reality shows us that it is completely different from what cuckservatists like you and feminists portray it
if i made the impression to u that i m a conservative that s p sad.

This has already been achieved. In prehistory. The example is hunter-gatherer societies.
only form of society that is acceptable btw.
 
Because you are unable to deny what I wrote there - facts and logic are not on your side.
I don't care about that BS. You still haven't countered me. I'm waiting.




Conspiracy theories are the domain of neo-Nazis like you
I am not a neo nazi, lmao.

Everything I have stated are basic facts in the field that have been challenged and withstood criticism.
 
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u seem more like a tranny
I support them because I have no reasons like chuds to hate them out of envy - the fact that sexually frustrated people constitute the core of the far right is known very well
only form of society that is acceptable btw.
Maybe after the nuclear war it will come back again...
I don't care about that BS. You still haven't countered me. I'm waiting.





I am not a neo nazi, lmao.

Everything I have stated are basic facts in the field that have been challenged and withstood criticism.
I've already done that. You are blind?
 
Banks are part of the capitalist system, so I don't deny it. However, don't be naive - Jeff Bezos, Elon Musk, Mark Zuckerberg or your local boss of a private company want to suck as much blood from you as possible


A very funny method of manipulation - call someone a beta and you don't have to explain why you support the rich
Rich "people" should be dragged from their homes and lynched.
 
Calling something 'nazi propaganda' is not an argument, kid.
No, it wasn't. The national socialists in Germany represented the genetic push back against Jewish infiltration of German society.
In your case it is. Your statements prove it. I'm not surprised that an anti-communist is a fascist - go, defender of incest, to Trudeau and applaud a Nazi like you

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