How do you even figure out how far to go down on a custom cheekbone/midface implant

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When I look on Eppley's website I'm stunned at the variety of the custom implant shapes. Most I see posted here almost all look to practically cover the same area--the infraorbital-zygomatic regions. How does one decide if they need to go lower, i.e., include the submalar region? It's common knowledge by now that standard off-the-shelf cheek implants, which cover exclusively the submalar region, which has a feminizing effect and therefore unadvisable for most men, are.


Most I see here tend to look more or less like this, just with a few mm difference in lateral and anterior projection:
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For example, for one case Eppley says:

"An effective strategy for the high cheekbone look is to keep the implant design high up along the cheekbone staying clear of the submalar bone area leaving it uncovered."
Male-Custom-Infraorbital-Malar-Implants-design-front-view-Dr-Barry-Eppley-Indianapolis.jpg


But then we have this (standard cheek implant on the left, Eppley's design on the right): "Normally standard cheek implants in a male rarely create a favorable aesthetic outcome, creating an undesired ‘apple cheek’ fullness effect. But in this male they were very favorable due to his significant midface deficiency and negative orbital vector. But they did not add to his infraorbital rim deficiency (actually made it more apparent) and did not have volume high up on the cheekbone area. Custom infraorbital-malar implants were designed that retained what the current cheek implant effects created and then added where they were deficient. This created an unusual looking type of midface implant but a very effective aesthetic one."
Custom-Infraorbital-Malar-Implant-Replacement-designs-front-view-Dr-Barry-Eppley-Indianapolis.jpg


One that blends into the LeFort I area
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How does one determine if one has such a "significant midface deficiency" that you need to extend the custom infraorbital-zygomatic implant into the submalar region? Or is it more or less advisable in all cases that we don't need to touch this region at all? Perhaps it is is best since if you augment exclusively this area you get a more pronounced ogee curve and the area just beneath seems more hollow--but is it a male-model esque hollowness or a middle-midface-hypoplasia-esque hollowness? Do you still want to augment this area as well, even if you are still augmenting the zygos and infras even more?
 
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Case by case basis
 
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you would think but then why does every implant design posted here by people getting them done look the same

not one has gone into the submalar region
 
you would think but then why does every implant design posted here by people getting them done look the same
Do they? There's probably minor differences. Also they probably have similar underlying structure. If your cheekbones are naturally more projected higher, you could get an implant that covers top and bottom to have the same contour just more projected. If ur cheekbones are flatter right under the corner of the eyes then probably design would be more focused on upper cheekbone
 
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Do they? There's probably minor differences. Also they probably have similar underlying structure. If your cheekbones are naturally more projected higher, you could get an implant that covers top and bottom to have the same contour just more projected. If ur cheekbones are flatter right under the corner of the eyes then probably design would be more focused on upper cheekbone
Maybe I'm being a little hyperbolic, and tbf it's like, 5-7 designs or whatever i've seen on here. My impression is that there are minor differences between their shape and most of the changes just happens in the mm of anterior and lateral projection, especially compared to the variety I see on eppley's page. In any case, I am less trying to critique those designs since you don't know how they look on the face and more just trying to understand in what cases is it advisable to move significantly into the submalar region, even if you are only augmenting this area, say, 1-2.5mm compared to 5-6mm in the zygos or something. This kind of thing would make the difference between a gaunt look, a recessed middle-midface look, a "unnatural bony upper midface prominence" look, and a model high cheekbones esque result, wouldnt it?
 
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maybe ask for a consultation and not a site with 99% trolls
 
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Maybe I'm being a little hyperbolic, and tbf it's like, 5-7 designs or whatever i've seen on here. My impression is that there are minor differences between their shape and most of the changes just happens in the mm of anterior and lateral projection, especially compared to the variety I see on eppley's page. In any case, I am less trying to critique those designs since you don't know how they look on the face and more just trying to understand in what cases is it advisable to move significantly into the submalar region, even if you are only augmenting this area, say, 1-2.5mm compared to 5-6mm in the zygos or something. This kind of thing would make the difference between a gaunt look, a recessed middle-midface look, a "unnatural bony upper midface prominence" look, and a model high cheekbones esque result, wouldnt it?
Well it probably just depends on your CT scan and surgeon experience in designing an appropriate implant. That's why they're custom and not off the shelf. Also depends on what u want, not every good cheekbone area looks the same
 
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No one will help you here.

You need to see a doctor for this.

Moreover, i suggest go talk to a good filler specialist. Esp. a few women specialists. They see where the deficiencies are on your face. They tell you where they want to put filler into.

You listen to them, remember, do not pay for the filler, but go to Epply and with him you design the implant which will enhance the lacking areas.

PS. Also the case you outlined was SUPER easy for Epply. He would have NEVER guessed that u need submalar. He literally just saw the old implants, and how favourable they were, and said: "oh looks nice, now im gonna add my design on top of what he has".

Lol at people who get implants tbh. You need money for 2-3 revisions to get em right, like REALLY right. Otherwise, the results would always be underwhelming. Fillers are superior in almost all cases, except those where the fillers cannot be put, like saddle implants.
 
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No one will help you here.

You need to see a doctor for this.

Moreover, i suggest go talk to a good filler specialist. Esp. a few women specialists. They see where the deficiencies are on your face. They tell you where they want to put filler into.

You listen to them, remember, do not pay for the filler, but go to Epply and with him you design the implant which will enhance the lacking areas.

PS. Also the case you outlined was SUPER easy for Epply. He would have NEVER guessed that u need submalar. He literally just saw the old implants, and how favourable they were, and said: "oh looks nice, now im gonna add my design on top of what he has".

Lol at people who get implants tbh. You need money for 2-3 revisions to get em right, like REALLY right. Otherwise, the results would always be underwhelming. Fillers are superior in almost all cases, except those where the fillers cannot be put, like saddle implants.
Cope.

You've been badmouthing implants and shilling fillers for years non-stop just because your broke ass will never be able to afford them.

The most elaborate coping technique I've ever seen here.

BTW the swelling has gone down by a lot and my eye area is still top tier at 4 weeks post surgery : I know your hating ass was betting on the opposite just to sleep better at night.
 
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Cope.

You've been badmouthing implants and shilling fillers for years non-stop just because your broke ass will never be able to afford them.

The most elaborate coping technique I've ever seen here.

BTW the swelling has gone down by a lot and my eye area is still top tier at 4 weeks post surgery : I know your hating ass was betting on the opposite just to sleep better at night.
Fillers are the golden standard in plastic surgery.

Fillers >>> Implants

Whatever lets u sleep better, friend

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Fillers are the golden standard in plastic surgery.

Fillers >>> Implants

Whatever lets u sleep better, friend

Cry Love GIF by Pudgy Penguins
Golden standard for ratchet hoes who wants instant results without much money. Many horror stories about dumb girls getting injections from backroom self-proclaimed injectors from Snapchat.

You're a povertycel and that's why you shit on implants so hard despite having never experienced them yourselves.

At least I've experienced both fillers and implants, so I'm not talking out of my ass like you.
 
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maybe ask for a consultation and not a site with 99% trolls
Maybe don't reply

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No one will help you here.
Ok

PS. Also the case you outlined was SUPER easy for Epply. He would have NEVER guessed that u need submalar. He literally just saw the old implants, and how favourable they were, and said: "oh looks nice, now im gonna add my design on top of what he has".

Lol at people who get implants tbh. You need money for 2-3 revisions to get em right, like REALLY right. Otherwise, the results would always be underwhelming. Fillers are superior in almost all cases, except those where the fillers cannot be put, like saddle implants.

Then why are you trying to answer
 
Maybe if more of Eppley's scans had actual results attached to them I'd be able to evaluate them better but they're usually rarely offered so we have little to work off in determining if any one design was effective or if it came out uncanny. Most of the custom designs with pictures provided usually either look underwhelming because people were too conservative and only stuck to augmenting their already dog water cheek bone shape or they look uncanny either because they go too high or they fill too much of the infra orbital region giving them a perma squintmaxxed look.

I'm personally just saving for modified off the shelf implants because most of the good results I see are with non-custom as long as they aren't labelled as submalar. I already sort of know where they're supposed to go because I autistically pull my cheeks laterally (and slightly anteriorly) to see and figure where would an impant go best. Someone did that with their cantho surgeon and got mogger results.

Custom has more potential but it's a bit of a wild west of surgery, lots of designs are very underwhelming as well as them being awfully overpriced. I'm not saying don't go with custom but personally I'm going with off the shelf where most of the planning has already been done for me.
 
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