How I think I'll cope alright with becoming oldcel

[6ft4]

During my teens, due to having tiny facial features and always being accused of looking two years younger than my actual age, I had a natural proclivity towards prettyboys being the ideal and even though I automatically assumed I would develop into a masculine man when I got older, I always thought that the clean shaven prettyboy would be my first destination.

At 18 I just looked underdeveloped with a bloated face and skinny body combo but got some results due to being an enthusiastic MTN in the final year before insta & tinder exploded.
I descended at 19-20 from gymcel bulking then at late 21 I hit my first looks peak which I put to use at 22 when I moved city and was going clubbing regularly.
I like to think looking back that this was my "prettyboy" era (by my standards) but in reality, when looking back at pics from this time I never had the facial ratios that could categorize me as a prettyboy since my chin was too long as well as a lack of facial projection.

I often think that my endereyes have descended in recent years but when I look back at pics of my 22 y/o peak, they weren't even good at the time since my undereyes were always naturally flat.
I still can't quite workout why I thought I was haloed so much in a couple of pics I took at 22 but I am thinking at the moment it was due to having tan beyond deathly pale level and potentially the slight water in my face from roids giving me a bit of a halo, almost equivalant to JB glow from giga estrogen increase (this requires a separate thread)

I looked like a typical young Irish guy that attended nightclubs and became a slayer of MTB although I could never compete with the prettyboys who I thought of as being better versions of myself, thinking I was a bimax away from the results they got.
I slayed with far greater ease on Saturday nights compared to Student nights which was a sign that being a clean shaven masc guy (6'4 roided) among a crowd of oldcels was a far more effective way to get attention than being a clean shaven masc guy among clean shaven prettyboys.
I slayed the most at 23 but I did lose some youthfulness from the year of drinking + roiding + tanning so I'd consider that the end of my first looks peak.

I remember feeling aged looking at 24 before I dropped the roids and bloat and lost fat then when I was natty lean again my face rejuvenated a bit and I had a run of bouncer slays before scamdemic.

Now that I have ascended from trimax, my facial ratios are far more within the bounds of prettyboy, particularly from side profile but I am still much closer to looking masc since I will always be a tall faced chap. Even when using filters on selfies to make my skin perfectly smooth my ratios were always meant to be masc not prettyboy.

So what was the point of typing all of that you might ask?
Upon realizing I was always destined to run masc game, I can hopefully prolong my second looks peak into my mid 30s and live off of the nolvelty of my looks improvement until 35 even as my collagen descends.

Study finds tall 35-year-old men appear more dominant than others | University of St Andrews news

news.st-andrews.ac.uk

I still have the option of getting malar implants in my back pocket at any point for some more looks gains novelty, maybe full mid-facial implants will be a big thing in a few years.
Face lifts and botox etc are also things I need to look into.

B-But, life is over when you are too old to slay JB I hear you say..

JB are the most malleable in terms of developing attraction to a widest range of men hence why you often see JB with subhumans and why JB can gossip to each other about wanting to fuck their 35 year old male teacher.
Obviously teacher game is a different circumstance since there is familiarity there but familiarity game works the best on JBs quickly building attracttion to anyone.
Anyone who has text JBs will know they admit to wanting to fucking 40 year old celebrities and 35 year old porn actors.
There are also cases documented in newspapers of ugly, fat, balding oldcels fucking JBs and maintaining a relationship with them through circumstances that seem impossible before they got caught.

Former Dragon's Den star Doug Richard CLEARED of child sex charges

The 57-year-old American - who lives in Islington, London, was accused of engaging in 50 Shades Of Grey role play with a 13-year-old. However, a jury today cleared him of all the charges against him.

www.dailymail.co.uk

In other words, there are a million factors that go into getting lucky with a JB and once you are outside of an environment where you can casually hang around with them (being 16-20 yourself) looking like a 30 year old rather than a 23 year old is not going to be the limiting factor in whether you can slay them or not.
There is also something to be said for actually being recognized as older but still hotter than 95% of men your age so you can run Daddy game on them.
You can always go to concerts that have JB and run cold approach game, you can go to a different country so that your inhib is lowered, trying to talk to them online is giga low ROI.
If you have already slayed a JB you can just live of the validation of that for the rest of your days since the potential to slay more will one day come to an end but the most long lasting validation would be to slay a JB then LTR her.

I have ambitions to find a girl for an LTR but since I am virgin only for LTR, my only means of finding this will be the 2 methods that have allowed me to slay 17-19 y/o virgins before which was through tinder and working as a bouncer.
Tinder is too difficult in the Shittish Isles in 2024 so I will just work as a bouncer a couple of nights per week for the remainder of my prime and if a virgin comes my way I'll LTR her but if not I'll remain single.
I may try tinder in EE and set my filter to 18 only in attempts to find a virgin but it's just like playing to lottery since you're actively seeking a result whereas when bouncing you just go about your business and if it happens it happens.

Since getting an LTR is just going to be a stroke of luck for me, in the meantime I may as well try to go on a second slaying run to live and enjoyable life.

But 30+ year olds can slay prime 18-22 y/o girls I hear you say?

Since certain physical traits matter far more to me than simply looking uni age (already lost JB glow)
I am happier fucking a "roastie" who's 25-39 with the traits I like than an uni aged foid who doesnt have those traits who just looks like a plain becky

The facial traits that I am into most (wide palate, round skull, wide/compact face) dont deteriorate much with age compared to soft tissue halos
The body traits that I am into are big tits and ass and I am happy to slay large chubsters so long as the have big tits.
This means that a MTB Face with a chubster body is still an enjoyable slay for me
So my pool of foids that I will actively look to slay are:
MTB+ Chubsters aged 18-39
Girls with faces that float my boat aged 18-55

This means that I am not going to lose out on fucking foids I find attractive as I age and it arguably makes the pool of girls I can fuck wider since more of them will be open to fucking me as I'm at a higher age.

Since height and muscle don't deteriorate with age but face does, the gap between me and the rest of the competition my age should widen since I will maintain height and just continue gaining more muscle mass whereas the average to below average height guys with no muscle who outcompeted me thanks to face at 22, will now descend and be replaced by the next batch of face reliant 22 year olds.

I am still pretty much in lanklet mode right now even though I have a decent amounf of natty strength there is soooo much further I can take masc game by roiding again and getting tats.
When I was roided at 22-23 I had my best results but my face and body were quite incongruent since I had some youth indicating facial traits but ogre ratios combined with large body. I was in neither camp.
I wasn't a true Rugby playing ogre but I also wasn't a youthmaxxed roider like Laid or Jeff Seid.

Now that my lower third actually looks more masc and having a more predator look from a more projected maxilla, I think I can truly capitazlize on masc game going forward.
Catering my look to appeal to JB I may never approach (muh fluffy hair zoomer in baggy clothes game) rather than playing to my strengths would be rather low IQ.

 

[6ft4]

Study finds tall 35-year-old men appear more dominant than others | University of St Andrews news

news.st-andrews.ac.uk

The study, by scientists at the University of St Andrews, shows that simple increases in a man’s height and age automatically makes him appear more dominant.

The research, published by the SAGE journal Perception, sheds light on why Hollywood directors might choose certain actors to play leading roles.

When the researchers made 25-year-old men look 8cm taller or up to a decade older, or made their faces more masculine (by for example increasing the prominence of their eyebrows), the onlookers thought the men looked more dominant.

Maximum dominance was achieved by increasing perceived height and masculinity while maintaining a man’s age at around 35 years.

“Dominant people are also favoured as leaders during times of intergroup conflict and are more successful leaders in the business world. Hence, understanding what it is that makes someone look dominant is important given its influence on a variety of social outcomes.”

“Such perceptions may also follow reality: taller men being more formidable opponents and strength increasing with age until a man gets to his mid-thirties.”

Looking 35 mogs looking 25 if you're a Tall Male?
@New Poster

 

[Deleted member 60224]

Not related to the thread but would you say you are HTN because of height halo or just HTN face?

 

[niggerballsack34]

can i see what you look like and if you have chance in bosnia with your stats you should have chance in bosnia tbh

 

[bobtheflowerpot]

Tldr but aren’t you like 30 worrying about slaying JBs ?

 

[Manletmachine]

No slut at the club will be virgin

 

[6ft4]

Not related to the thread but would you say you are HTN because of height halo or just HTN face?

Just HTN Face

can i see what you look like and if you have chance in bosnia with your stats you should have chance in bosnia tbh

I'm going to try the Netherlands first in a few weeks.
I see no benefit to Bosnia tbh

Tldr but aren’t you like 30 worrying about slaying JBs ?

If anything this post was the opposite of worrying about slaying them
Saying that i shouldn't let the nagging thought of wanting to find a JB steer me away from trying to look as masc as possible

No slut at the club will be virgin

I slayed one before while working as a bouncer. It was brutal that I managed to fuck it up but she was narrow and ecto af so the offspring would've be subhuman if I LTRed and impregnated her despite her being a halo if used as preselection GF since most men think that thin limbs = hot.

 

[Manletmachine]

Just HTN Face


I'm going to try the Netherlands first in a few weeks.
I see no benefit to Bosnia tbh


If anything this post was the opposite of worrying about slaying them
Saying that i shouldn't let the nagging thought of wanting to find a JB steer me away from trying to look as masc as possible


I slayed one before while working as a bouncer. It was brutal that I managed to fuck it up but she was narrow and ecto af so the offspring would've be subhuman if I LTRed and impregnated her despite her being a halo if used as preselection GF since most men think that thin limbs = hot.

Did she bleed

 

[6ft4]

Did she bleed

yeah

 

[bobtheflowerpot]

If anything this post was the opposite of worrying about slaying them
Saying that i shouldn't let the nagging thought of wanting to find a JB steer me away from trying to look as masc as possible

How can you look more masc? Your bones are your bones. Just get a haircut that suits your face. Lean max and add muscle. Get a tan if you want. And dress your age

 

[Deleted member 31887]

Man if you have all these means and still complain then my life must be beyond fucked up jfl, but idk some people are more sensitive than others so I shouldn't be mad that you are complaining despite mogging me brutally, we all have different tolerances to these things

 

[IAMNOTANINCEL]

Study finds tall 35-year-old men appear more dominant than others | University of St Andrews news

news.st-andrews.ac.uk

The study, by scientists at the University of St Andrews, shows that simple increases in a man’s height and age automatically makes him appear more dominant.

The research, published by the SAGE journal Perception, sheds light on why Hollywood directors might choose certain actors to play leading roles.

When the researchers made 25-year-old men look 8cm taller or up to a decade older, or made their faces more masculine (by for example increasing the prominence of their eyebrows), the onlookers thought the men looked more dominant.

Maximum dominance was achieved by increasing perceived height and masculinity while maintaining a man’s age at around 35 years.

“Dominant people are also favoured as leaders during times of intergroup conflict and are more successful leaders in the business world. Hence, understanding what it is that makes someone look dominant is important given its influence on a variety of social outcomes.”

“Such perceptions may also follow reality: taller men being more formidable opponents and strength increasing with age until a man gets to his mid-thirties.”

Looking 35 mogs looking 25 if you're a Tall Male?
@New Poster

did you even read

 

[nofap]

My massive browridge and decent lower third make me look like a 30 year old ogre at 22

 

[nofap]

My massive browridge and decent lower third make me look like a 30 year old ogre at 22

 

[Clown Show]

And you are also 6'4.

Not a word faggot hahahaha.

 

[6ft4]

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And you are also 6'4.

Not a word faggot hahahaha.

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Haven't fucked a civilian since october 2022

Man if you have all these means and still complain then my life must be beyond fucked up jfl, but idk some people are more sensitive than others so I shouldn't be mad that you are complaining despite mogging me brutally, we all have different tolerances to these things

The fact that I think I'm at a level where I should see some results but get literally nothing is the hardest part for me
Lack of social circle is my biggest hinderance but even then, when I am social from alcohol on a night out and masking aspieness one might assume I should get results but I dont

 

[spark]

During my teens, due to having tiny facial features and always being accused of looking two years younger than my actual age, I had a natural proclivity towards prettyboys being the ideal and even though I automatically assumed I would develop into a masculine man when I got older, I always thought that the clean shaven prettyboy would be my first destination.

At 18 I just looked underdeveloped with a bloated face and skinny body combo but got some results due to being an enthusiastic MTN in the final year before insta & tinder exploded.
I descended at 19-20 from gymcel bulking then at late 21 I hit my first looks peak which I put to use at 22 when I moved city and was going clubbing regularly.
I like to think looking back that this was my "prettyboy" era (by my standards) but in reality, when looking back at pics from this time I never had the facial ratios that could categorize me as a prettyboy since my chin was too long as well as a lack of facial projection.

I often think that my endereyes have descended in recent years but when I look back at pics of my 22 y/o peak, they weren't even good at the time since my undereyes were always naturally flat.
I still can't quite workout why I thought I was haloed so much in a couple of pics I took at 22 but I am thinking at the moment it was due to having tan beyond deathly pale level and potentially the slight water in my face from roids giving me a bit of a halo, almost equivalant to JB glow from giga estrogen increase (this requires a separate thread)

I looked like a typical young Irish guy that attended nightclubs and became a slayer of MTB although I could never compete with the prettyboys who I thought of as being better versions of myself, thinking I was a bimax away from the results they got.
I slayed with far greater ease on Saturday nights compared to Student nights which was a sign that being a clean shaven masc guy (6'4 roided) among a crowd of oldcels was a far more effective way to get attention than being a clean shaven masc guy among clean shaven prettyboys.
I slayed the most at 23 but I did lose some youthfulness from the year of drinking + roiding + tanning so I'd consider that the end of my first looks peak.

I remember feeling aged looking at 24 before I dropped the roids and bloat and lost fat then when I was natty lean again my face rejuvenated a bit and I had a run of bouncer slays before scamdemic.

Now that I have ascended from trimax, my facial ratios are far more within the bounds of prettyboy, particularly from side profile but I am still much closer to looking masc since I will always be a tall faced chap. Even when using filters on selfies to make my skin perfectly smooth my ratios were always meant to be masc not prettyboy.

So what was the point of typing all of that you might ask?
Upon realizing I was always destined to run masc game, I can hopefully prolong my second looks peak into my mid 30s and live off of the nolvelty of my looks improvement until 35 even as my collagen descends.

Study finds tall 35-year-old men appear more dominant than others | University of St Andrews news

news.st-andrews.ac.uk

I still have the option of getting malar implants in my back pocket at any point for some more looks gains novelty, maybe full mid-facial implants will be a big thing in a few years.
Face lifts and botox etc are also things I need to look into.

B-But, life is over when you are too old to slay JB I hear you say..

JB are the most malleable in terms of developing attraction to a widest range of men hence why you often see JB with subhumans and why JB can gossip to each other about wanting to fuck their 35 year old male teacher.
Obviously teacher game is a different circumstance since there is familiarity there but familiarity game works the best on JBs quickly building attracttion to anyone.
Anyone who has text JBs will know they admit to wanting to fucking 40 year old celebrities and 35 year old porn actors.
There are also cases documented in newspapers of ugly, fat, balding oldcels fucking JBs and maintaining a relationship with them through circumstances that seem impossible before they got caught.

Former Dragon's Den star Doug Richard CLEARED of child sex charges

The 57-year-old American - who lives in Islington, London, was accused of engaging in 50 Shades Of Grey role play with a 13-year-old. However, a jury today cleared him of all the charges against him.

www.dailymail.co.uk

In other words, there are a million factors that go into getting lucky with a JB and once you are outside of an environment where you can casually hang around with them (being 16-20 yourself) looking like a 30 year old rather than a 23 year old is not going to be the limiting factor in whether you can slay them or not.
There is also something to be said for actually being recognized as older but still hotter than 95% of men your age so you can run Daddy game on them.
You can always go to concerts that have JB and run cold approach game, you can go to a different country so that your inhib is lowered, trying to talk to them online is giga low ROI.
If you have already slayed a JB you can just live of the validation of that for the rest of your days since the potential to slay more will one day come to an end but the most long lasting validation would be to slay a JB then LTR her.

I have ambitions to find a girl for an LTR but since I am virgin only for LTR, my only means of finding this will be the 2 methods that have allowed me to slay 17-19 y/o virgins before which was through tinder and working as a bouncer.
Tinder is too difficult in the Shittish Isles in 2024 so I will just work as a bouncer a couple of nights per week for the remainder of my prime and if a virgin comes my way I'll LTR her but if not I'll remain single.
I may try tinder in EE and set my filter to 18 only in attempts to find a virgin but it's just like playing to lottery since you're actively seeking a result whereas when bouncing you just go about your business and if it happens it happens.

Since getting an LTR is just going to be a stroke of luck for me, in the meantime I may as well try to go on a second slaying run to live and enjoyable life.

But 30+ year olds can slay prime 18-22 y/o girls I hear you say?

Since certain physical traits matter far more to me than simply looking uni age (already lost JB glow)
I am happier fucking a "roastie" who's 25-39 with the traits I like than an uni aged foid who doesnt have those traits who just looks like a plain becky

The facial traits that I am into most (wide palate, round skull, wide/compact face) dont deteriorate much with age compared to soft tissue halos
The body traits that I am into are big tits and ass and I am happy to slay large chubsters so long as the have big tits.
This means that a MTB Face with a chubster body is still an enjoyable slay for me
So my pool of foids that I will actively look to slay are:
MTB+ Chubsters aged 18-39
Girls with faces that float my boat aged 18-55

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This means that I am not going to lose out on fucking foids I find attractive as I age and it arguably makes the pool of girls I can fuck wider since more of them will be open to fucking me as I'm at a higher age.

Since height and muscle don't deteriorate with age but face does, the gap between me and the rest of the competition my age should widen since I will maintain height and just continue gaining more muscle mass whereas the average to below average height guys with no muscle who outcompeted me thanks to face at 22, will now descend and be replaced by the next batch of face reliant 22 year olds.

I am still pretty much in lanklet mode right now even though I have a decent amounf of natty strength there is soooo much further I can take masc game by roiding again and getting tats.
When I was roided at 22-23 I had my best results but my face and body were quite incongruent since I had some youth indicating facial traits but ogre ratios combined with large body. I was in neither camp.
I wasn't a true Rugby playing ogre but I also wasn't a youthmaxxed roider like Laid or Jeff Seid.

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Now that my lower third actually looks more masc and having a more predator look from a more projected maxilla, I think I can truly capitazlize on masc game going forward.
Catering my look to appeal to JB I may never approach (muh fluffy hair zoomer in baggy clothes game) rather than playing to my strengths would be rather low IQ.

I don’t think JBs lust over porn actors

 

[6ft4]

I don’t think JBs lust over porn actors

I knew one who told me she watched Owen Grey specifically, although yeah it's probably not common
Just be a subhuman who's lean with tattoos and put yourself on the internet having sex for porn watching JBs to see you theory

 

[Deleted member 31887]

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And you are also 6'4.

Not a word faggot hahahaha.

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Jokes aside we must try to support other men regardless of their sexual success, especially men who have a similar world view to us. If we can't do that then the foids/soys will always win given they have a strong ingroup.

 

[niggerballsack34]

what percentiles do u think htn, chadlite, and chad are? PSL nowadays chronically overrates and i estimate from my 1000s of fishes that a entry htn is around 92.5-95th percentile, and a entry chadlite 99.5th range, chad i dont think exists facially

 

[PROMETHEUS]

Age?

 

[Clown Show]

Jokes aside we must try to support other men regardless of their sexual success, especially men who have a similar world view to us. If we can't do that then the foids/soys will always win given they have a strong ingroup.

I want ass.

 

[Deleted member 31887]

I want ass.

I think what most of us want us female validation rather than sex itself.

 

[6ft4]

what percentiles do u think htn, chadlite, and chad are? PSL nowadays chronically overrates and i estimate from my 1000s of fishes that a entry htn is around 92.5-95th percentile, and a entry chadlite 99.5th range, chad i dont think exists facially

I'd have had HTN as 78th-95th percentile
I think surgery brought me from 80th to 87th percentile or a lower HTN to mid HTN

Going by your percentiles I'm not HTN

 

[niggerballsack34]

I'd have had HTN as 78th-95th percentile
I think surgery brought me from 80th to 87th percentile or a lower HTN to mid HTN

Going by your percentiles I'm not HTN

interesting, niggerballsack might or might not have seen you (he can't say because bosnia has marshall law) and he would agree, possibly..

from my experience, good looking facially usually starts at 90-95th percentile, at least thats what ive noticed after swiping literally 10s of thousands of times on binda/bumbol. you are in a pretty good place tho.

 

[6ft4]

interesting, niggerballsack might or might not have seen you (he can't say because bosnia has marshall law) and he would agree, possibly..

jfl

from my experience, good looking facially usually starts at 90-95th percentile, at least thats what ive noticed after swiping literally 10s of thousands of times on binda/bumbol. you are in a pretty good place tho.

yeah I was shocked by the amount of unattractive guys when swiping on guys on a tinder briefly but I question if nearly every LTN-MTN is using these apps whereas a lot of HTN/Chadlites aren't due to already being in relationships?
Also it's possible a lot of guys who you may not see as Chadlites in pictures on tinder may be Chadlites irl
I've often had guys show me pics of a guy they know who's a massive slayer and I dont think they look as good as their results suggest but they tell me they're an easy Chadlite irl in motion

 

[niggerballsack34]

jfl

yeah I was shocked by the amount of unattractive guys when swiping on guys on a tinder briefly but I question if nearly every LTN-MTN is using these apps whereas a lot of HTN/Chadlites aren't due to already being in relationships?

that's a possibility, specially for the htns imo, which could also explain the quality of girls we see on the apps.

but for chadlites+ i dont think it's the case, for one they are very rare, and 2nd it would just make sense from a pure blackpill standpoint that since they are getting huge attention on the apps they are also more likely to be on it. so i guess it just nulls it out and they are in normal amounts, proportional to what u see in real life.

Also it's possible a lot of guys who you may not see as Chadlites in pictures on tinder may be Chadlites irl
I've often had guys show me pics of a guy they know who's a massive slayer and I dont think they look as good as their results suggest but they tell me they're an easy Chadlite irl in motion

that can happen for both ways tbh, some guys who rely on soft features and eye area but are boneless will look worse IRL. but many guys have shitty pics in itself which nerfs them too.

for an app like bumble tho, i've swiped in dublin quite a lot and most had good phenos + pics with their mates on pubs etc, unlike in scandi where most are non nt freaks on their basements. plus, height is not a factor on dating apps at all, but IRL it is, which obv plays on our perception of loox

 

[niggerballsack34]

I have a spreedsheet (semi done) with avg heights in different euro cities (i wait for my HTB to get 100 likes from local white men and then i avg out their heights)

dublin was 182cm, for reference, oslo was 185cm, so lifefuel for ur tall ass

 

[Deleted member 20370]

cool

 

[6ft4]

I have a spreedsheet (semi done) with avg heights in different euro cities (i wait for my HTB to get 100 likes from local white men and then i avg out their heights)

dublin was 182cm, for reference, oslo was 185cm, so lifefuel for ur tall ass

Have you done any Dutch cities? Groningen should be giga tall based on anecdotes
I dont see the lifefuel because I believe it's BETTER to be in a place where women select for height primarily over other things so that you are not competing against so many manlets and average height males.

 

[geezcel]

yeah you’ll be fine for sure. height & size matters more as you age due to face alone having less of an impact. it’s extremely hard to be carried by your face at 35 unless you’re chad/chadlite and haven’t descended too much

 

[TheMaxxer333]

At your age you should be worried about getting a Stacy wife not fucking whores at nightclubs

 

[6ft4]

At your age you should be worried about getting a Stacy wife not fucking whores at nightclubs

I've never had a conversation with a Stacey, jfl at me marrying one

 

[TheMaxxer333]

I've never had a conversation with a Stacey, jfl at me marrying one

Brutal maybe you can adopt one of those foids from Ukraine desperate to leave and make her your wife

 

[6ft4]

Brutal maybe you can adopt one of those foids from Ukraine desperate to leave and make her your wife

I'm going to Poland next month most likely
Not risking Ukraine rn

 

[niggerballsack34]

Have you done any Dutch cities? Groningen should be giga tall based on anecdotes

I've heard of a study that claimed avg to be 6'3 on northern NL, so I might check it out, hopefully there is enough locals on the city

I dont see the lifefuel because I believe it's BETTER to be in a place where women select for height primarily over other things so that you are not competing against so many manlets and average height males.

well, if they did select for height among other things, and the avg was higher, it wouldn't look good for you since more competition eh

plus, anglosphere is more biased towards height than rest of europe and the world in general from what ive observed, maybe scandi is like this too but the rest is not. that would mean you're in a good place already

 

[Pietrosiek]

Study finds tall 35-year-old men appear more dominant than others | University of St Andrews news

news.st-andrews.ac.uk

The study, by scientists at the University of St Andrews, shows that simple increases in a man’s height and age automatically makes him appear more dominant.

The research, published by the SAGE journal Perception, sheds light on why Hollywood directors might choose certain actors to play leading roles.

When the researchers made 25-year-old men look 8cm taller or up to a decade older, or made their faces more masculine (by for example increasing the prominence of their eyebrows), the onlookers thought the men looked more dominant.

Maximum dominance was achieved by increasing perceived height and masculinity while maintaining a man’s age at around 35 years.

“Dominant people are also favoured as leaders during times of intergroup conflict and are more successful leaders in the business world. Hence, understanding what it is that makes someone look dominant is important given its influence on a variety of social outcomes.”

“Such perceptions may also follow reality: taller men being more formidable opponents and strength increasing with age until a man gets to his mid-thirties.”

Looking 35 mogs looking 25 if you're a Tall Male?
@New Poster

I noticed that most of chicks aged 18-22 prefer older guys, 25 or 35, idk, but this shouldnt be that big of a difference outside of cultural pressure for chicks to not date much older guy

 

[Matthias8272]

Will you fraud your age on tinder if you're aiming for younger girls? (in EE)

 

[6ft4]

plus, anglosphere is more biased towards height than rest of europe and the world in general from what ive observed, maybe scandi is like this too but the rest is not. that would mean you're in a good place already

In an environment where average height is 5'7 (Brazilian night I've gone to with 1k Brazilians) height was literally irrelevant and 5'5 framecels were pulling girls.

In environments where the average height is 5'10 (Every night I've gone out in Ireland/England) only being short is a disadvantage but girls aren't actively trying to find a tall guy before they find an NT average height guy assuming the same face level.

In environments where the average height is 6' (Dutch dance music events) It actually seems like having outlier height of 6'3+ is seen as a halo and something girls look for before they seek guys who are average height NTs

In other words, being 95th percentile in the Netherlands (or Bosnia in theory) gets you more attention than being 98th percentile in the shittish isles
Because in NL you are part of the cool kids club but in the Shittish Isles the trait that makes you part of the cool kids club (NT) has nothing to do with height, infact excessive height and NT are negatively correleated since in past generations aspie manlets died out but aspie tallcels still reproduced

 

[R@m@]

the best cope is living your best life until 25 and die peacefully

 

[niggerballsack34]

In an environment where average height is 5'7 (Brazilian night I've gone to with 1k Brazilians) height was literally irrelevant and 5'5 framecels were pulling girls.

what city in brazil did u go to? i thought the avg was 2 inches higher or so where there are more whites

In environments where the average height is 5'10 (Every night I've gone out in Ireland/England) only being short is a disadvantage but girls aren't actively trying to find a tall guy before they find an NT average height guy assuming the same face level.

In environments where the average height is 6' (Dutch dance music events) It actually seems like having outlier height of 6'3+ is seen as a halo and something girls look for before they seek guys who are average height NTs

In other words, being 95th percentile in the Netherlands (or Bosnia in theory) gets you more attention than being 98th percentile in the shittish isles
Because in NL you are part of the cool kids club but in the Shittish Isles the trait that makes you part of the cool kids club (NT) has nothing to do with height, infact excessive height and NT are negatively correleated since in past generations aspie manlets died out but aspie tallcels still reproduced

yea that's a fair point, didn't think of it that way tbh. the NT and height selection thing might be really at play in some places more than others.

at what height would you say can be compensated with a good looking face (by ur definition) in the UK then, to the point whre they can compete with you?

 

[6ft4]

what city in brazil did u go to? i thought the avg was 2 inches higher or so where there are more whites

I was working as a bouncer in a venue in Ireland that hosted a night for Brazilians during carnival or something.
There looked to be 1k Brazilians in the venue but just a guess, I didn't get a single IOI the whole night
Half naked Brazilian foids walking passed me but none of them looked at me.
Brazilian foids bent over against the wall/railings shaking their ass to the music, I found the degeneracy quite repulsive.

yea that's a fair point, didn't think of it that way tbh. the NT and height selection thing might be really at play in some places more than others.

at what height would you say can be compensated with a good looking face (by ur definition) in the UK then, to the point whre they can compete with you?

I'd say 173cm (5'8) guys can outperform me, I don't ever recall a 170cm (5'7) guy stealing the attention of a foid away from me in a club but they can still outdo me in non clubbing environments

 

[XtrovertNTnormalfag]

Water wet, men peak at 35.
Just lol @ zoomercels who think tik tok guys with mops as haircut slay IRL, especially in a club setting.

 

[niggerballsack34]

I was working as a bouncer in a venue in Ireland that hosted a night for Brazilians during carnival or something.
There looked to be 1k Brazilians in the venue but just a guess, I didn't get a single IOI the whole night
Half naked Brazilian foids walking passed me but none of them looked at me.
Brazilian foids bent over against the wall/railings shaking their ass to the music, I found the degeneracy quite repulsive.


I'd say 173cm (5'8) guys can outperform me, I don't ever recall a 170cm (5'7) guy stealing the attention of a foid away from me in a club but they can still outdo me in non clubbing environments

ok ok i see ur hate for 173cm dudes now lmfao

that's kinda wild tho specially nowadays where u open social media and u get 10000 heightpills and it seems height is all that matters, no wonder low iq retards here go insane with it. and yet, IRL someone like u at 6'4 and a rather gl face is getting cucked by a manlet lmfao

 

[New Poster]

Study finds tall 35-year-old men appear more dominant than others | University of St Andrews news

news.st-andrews.ac.uk

The study, by scientists at the University of St Andrews, shows that simple increases in a man’s height and age automatically makes him appear more dominant.

The research, published by the SAGE journal Perception, sheds light on why Hollywood directors might choose certain actors to play leading roles.

When the researchers made 25-year-old men look 8cm taller or up to a decade older, or made their faces more masculine (by for example increasing the prominence of their eyebrows), the onlookers thought the men looked more dominant.

Maximum dominance was achieved by increasing perceived height and masculinity while maintaining a man’s age at around 35 years.

“Dominant people are also favoured as leaders during times of intergroup conflict and are more successful leaders in the business world. Hence, understanding what it is that makes someone look dominant is important given its influence on a variety of social outcomes.”

“Such perceptions may also follow reality: taller men being more formidable opponents and strength increasing with age until a man gets to his mid-thirties.”

Looking 35 mogs looking 25 if you're a Tall Male?
@New Poster

Dominance is one vector of attractivess, but it's not everything. Growing a big beard makes you more dominant, but it generally makes you less fuckable. There's only very rare cases where someone gets better looking at 35 than 25. Usually it's because they were looksminned when younger.

 

[HTN_Mentalcel]

Man if you have all these means and still complain then my life must be beyond fucked up jfl, but idk some people are more sensitive than others so I shouldn't be mad that you are complaining despite mogging me brutally, we all have different tolerances to these things

I think normies are actually kinda right. Some people just will be depressed and likely never be happy even if they got everything they wanted. I was always fairly happy even though my childhood was worse than most. Being naturally depressed is one of the most brutal blackpills.

 

[Tenshi]

Water wet, men peak at 35.
Just lol @ zoomercels who think tik tok guys with mops as haircut slay IRL, especially in a club setting.

it's more like experience, most of these tiktok cute boys are low t asf and beta, they just find some semi-cute gf and settle for a couple years, few of them actually have the know-how to slay at this age. Little do they know they're literally wasting their youth on some beta cuck relationship.

older guys have experience and know how to handle women, even if their looks are not as good.

Dominance is one vector of attractivess, but it's not everything. Growing a big beard makes you more dominant, but it generally makes you less fuckable. There's only very rare cases where someone gets better looking at 35 than 25. Usually it's because they were looksminned when younger.

It's 2024 and girls prefer beta bitch boys anyways. Dominance and confidence made sense when women didn't have men throwing themselves at them on social media. Back in the day, only the most masculine men who had balls to approach women were getting pussy.

ok ok i see ur hate for 173cm dudes now lmfao

that's kinda wild tho specially nowadays where u open social media and u get 10000 heightpills and it seems height is all that matters, no wonder low iq retards here go insane with it. and yet, IRL someone like u at 6'4 and a rather gl face is getting cucked by a manlet lmfao

being talls will always be better, no doubts about it. It's an important part of your SMV as a man. And that comes into play especially when we're talking about retention.

But just like face, that alone, unless we're talking about PSL 7 plus, won't get you that far with women.

these guys get cucked cuz just like the average guy they're cucks. They can't talk to women for shit, can't handle being brushed off etc. I know some guys that would for sure be considered subhumans here, but even they can get laid every now and then.

I think these things matter way more when it comes to making girls stick around. For just banging them, it's just timing and being alpha. Girls will fuck even dogs if they're horny enough (unironically some may literally do jfl, dogpilled)

 

[Skywalker]

funny how you have just turned into a complaining soyboy ,ltr maxxed, now that you hoped off roids

 

[Skywalker]

Looking 35 mogs looking 25 if you're a Tall Male?
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@New Poster

obviously not lol

 

[Themanletauticel123]

During my teens, due to having tiny facial features and always being accused of looking two years younger than my actual age, I had a natural proclivity towards prettyboys being the ideal and even though I automatically assumed I would develop into a masculine man when I got older, I always thought that the clean shaven prettyboy would be my first destination.

At 18 I just looked underdeveloped with a bloated face and skinny body combo but got some results due to being an enthusiastic MTN in the final year before insta & tinder exploded.
I descended at 19-20 from gymcel bulking then at late 21 I hit my first looks peak which I put to use at 22 when I moved city and was going clubbing regularly.
I like to think looking back that this was my "prettyboy" era (by my standards) but in reality, when looking back at pics from this time I never had the facial ratios that could categorize me as a prettyboy since my chin was too long as well as a lack of facial projection.

I often think that my endereyes have descended in recent years but when I look back at pics of my 22 y/o peak, they weren't even good at the time since my undereyes were always naturally flat.
I still can't quite workout why I thought I was haloed so much in a couple of pics I took at 22 but I am thinking at the moment it was due to having tan beyond deathly pale level and potentially the slight water in my face from roids giving me a bit of a halo, almost equivalant to JB glow from giga estrogen increase (this requires a separate thread)

I looked like a typical young Irish guy that attended nightclubs and became a slayer of MTB although I could never compete with the prettyboys who I thought of as being better versions of myself, thinking I was a bimax away from the results they got.
I slayed with far greater ease on Saturday nights compared to Student nights which was a sign that being a clean shaven masc guy (6'4 roided) among a crowd of oldcels was a far more effective way to get attention than being a clean shaven masc guy among clean shaven prettyboys.
I slayed the most at 23 but I did lose some youthfulness from the year of drinking + roiding + tanning so I'd consider that the end of my first looks peak.

I remember feeling aged looking at 24 before I dropped the roids and bloat and lost fat then when I was natty lean again my face rejuvenated a bit and I had a run of bouncer slays before scamdemic.

Now that I have ascended from trimax, my facial ratios are far more within the bounds of prettyboy, particularly from side profile but I am still much closer to looking masc since I will always be a tall faced chap. Even when using filters on selfies to make my skin perfectly smooth my ratios were always meant to be masc not prettyboy.

So what was the point of typing all of that you might ask?
Upon realizing I was always destined to run masc game, I can hopefully prolong my second looks peak into my mid 30s and live off of the nolvelty of my looks improvement until 35 even as my collagen descends.

Study finds tall 35-year-old men appear more dominant than others | University of St Andrews news

news.st-andrews.ac.uk

I still have the option of getting malar implants in my back pocket at any point for some more looks gains novelty, maybe full mid-facial implants will be a big thing in a few years.
Face lifts and botox etc are also things I need to look into.

B-But, life is over when you are too old to slay JB I hear you say..

JB are the most malleable in terms of developing attraction to a widest range of men hence why you often see JB with subhumans and why JB can gossip to each other about wanting to fuck their 35 year old male teacher.
Obviously teacher game is a different circumstance since there is familiarity there but familiarity game works the best on JBs quickly building attracttion to anyone.
Anyone who has text JBs will know they admit to wanting to fucking 40 year old celebrities and 35 year old porn actors.
There are also cases documented in newspapers of ugly, fat, balding oldcels fucking JBs and maintaining a relationship with them through circumstances that seem impossible before they got caught.

Former Dragon's Den star Doug Richard CLEARED of child sex charges

The 57-year-old American - who lives in Islington, London, was accused of engaging in 50 Shades Of Grey role play with a 13-year-old. However, a jury today cleared him of all the charges against him.

www.dailymail.co.uk

In other words, there are a million factors that go into getting lucky with a JB and once you are outside of an environment where you can casually hang around with them (being 16-20 yourself) looking like a 30 year old rather than a 23 year old is not going to be the limiting factor in whether you can slay them or not.
There is also something to be said for actually being recognized as older but still hotter than 95% of men your age so you can run Daddy game on them.
You can always go to concerts that have JB and run cold approach game, you can go to a different country so that your inhib is lowered, trying to talk to them online is giga low ROI.
If you have already slayed a JB you can just live of the validation of that for the rest of your days since the potential to slay more will one day come to an end but the most long lasting validation would be to slay a JB then LTR her.

I have ambitions to find a girl for an LTR but since I am virgin only for LTR, my only means of finding this will be the 2 methods that have allowed me to slay 17-19 y/o virgins before which was through tinder and working as a bouncer.
Tinder is too difficult in the Shittish Isles in 2024 so I will just work as a bouncer a couple of nights per week for the remainder of my prime and if a virgin comes my way I'll LTR her but if not I'll remain single.
I may try tinder in EE and set my filter to 18 only in attempts to find a virgin but it's just like playing to lottery since you're actively seeking a result whereas when bouncing you just go about your business and if it happens it happens.

Since getting an LTR is just going to be a stroke of luck for me, in the meantime I may as well try to go on a second slaying run to live and enjoyable life.

But 30+ year olds can slay prime 18-22 y/o girls I hear you say?

Since certain physical traits matter far more to me than simply looking uni age (already lost JB glow)
I am happier fucking a "roastie" who's 25-39 with the traits I like than an uni aged foid who doesnt have those traits who just looks like a plain becky

The facial traits that I am into most (wide palate, round skull, wide/compact face) dont deteriorate much with age compared to soft tissue halos
The body traits that I am into are big tits and ass and I am happy to slay large chubsters so long as the have big tits.
This means that a MTB Face with a chubster body is still an enjoyable slay for me
So my pool of foids that I will actively look to slay are:
MTB+ Chubsters aged 18-39
Girls with faces that float my boat aged 18-55

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This means that I am not going to lose out on fucking foids I find attractive as I age and it arguably makes the pool of girls I can fuck wider since more of them will be open to fucking me as I'm at a higher age.

Since height and muscle don't deteriorate with age but face does, the gap between me and the rest of the competition my age should widen since I will maintain height and just continue gaining more muscle mass whereas the average to below average height guys with no muscle who outcompeted me thanks to face at 22, will now descend and be replaced by the next batch of face reliant 22 year olds.

I am still pretty much in lanklet mode right now even though I have a decent amounf of natty strength there is soooo much further I can take masc game by roiding again and getting tats.
When I was roided at 22-23 I had my best results but my face and body were quite incongruent since I had some youth indicating facial traits but ogre ratios combined with large body. I was in neither camp.
I wasn't a true Rugby playing ogre but I also wasn't a youthmaxxed roider like Laid or Jeff Seid.

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Now that my lower third actually looks more masc and having a more predator look from a more projected maxilla, I think I can truly capitazlize on masc game going forward.
Catering my look to appeal to JB I may never approach (muh fluffy hair zoomer in baggy clothes game) rather than playing to my strengths would be rather low IQ.

DNR all tallfags are fakecels go use a dating app and slay faggot