IS STEM VS LAW VS DOCTOR WHICH IS BETTER AND LESS SATURATED

[based_pakichad421]

hi so i have to choose my alevel subjects next year so it would really help me if u guys could tell me some pros and cons of both

my parents want me to become a IT/STEM but i have no intrest in that

i want to become a lwayer but my parents tell me its not viable i am in a sticky situation i would really apreciate your help

thanx

 

[based_pakichad421]

also 99percent of the dudes are doing stem or it idk if it will be saturated and only top percentile might be able to get in

 

[based_pakichad421]

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[sub5c3l]

hi so i have to choose my alevel subjects next year so it would really help me if u guys could tell me some pros and cons of both

my parents want me to become a IT/STEM but i have no intrest in that

i want to become a lwayer but my parents tell me its not viable i am in a sticky situation i would really apreciate your help

thanx

 

[based_pakichad421]

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[the_bubble_dox]

Choose whichever one you'd be best at. Technically doctors make the most money on average, but someone who's good at coding will make way more than a doctor, and someone who's good at philosophy will make way more as a lawyer. And you'll make significantly less as a doctor if you aren't good at science.

 

[based_pakichad421]

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[One Rep Max]

Doc

 

[based_pakichad421]

Choose whichever one you'd be best at. Technically doctors make the most money on average, but someone who's good at coding will make way more than a doctor, and someone who's good at philosophy will make way more as a lawyer. And you'll make significantly less as a doctor if you aren't good at science.

yeah but my parents are hard on stem is stem or it better than law

 

[based_pakichad421]

Doc

i dont know it takes too much time and money plus its saturated af

 

[sub5c3l]

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become a stemcel

 

[based_pakichad421]

become a stemcel

is it better than lawyer

 

[One Rep Max]

i dont know it takes too much time and money plus its saturated af

Then what do you want????? Become a midwife or smyh

 

[based_pakichad421]

Then what do you want????? Become a midwife or smyh

lawyer

 

[sub5c3l]

become a stemcel

is it better than lawyer

imo yes cuz I'm gonna become a stemcel too

 

[One Rep Max]

lawyer

Better call saul

 

[based_pakichad421]

imo yes cuz I'm gonna become a stemcel too

how could you elaborate?

 

[sub5c3l]

imo yes cuz I'm gonna become a stemcel too

ps being a doctor is considered a STEM career by stemcel I mean engineering

 

[sub5c3l]

how could you elaborate?

becoming a doctor takes hella time and I don't like law so I prefer engineering

 

[Swarthy Knight]

STEM is too broad. Isn't medicine a part of STEM anyways?

 

[sub5c3l]

STEM is too broad. Isn't medicine a part of STEM anyways?

yes

 

[based_pakichad421]

STEM is too broad. Isn't medicine a part of STEM anyways?

what about law tho i heard they earn fuck tons

 

[Swarthy Knight]

what about law tho i heard they earn fuck tons

Generally speaking lawyers have a higher ceiling than doctors, but lower floor. Become a lawyer if you're not ADHDcel and enjoy a lot of reading and writing.

Tech mogs both tho imo. But its more for Autistically inclined ppl

 

[Pikabro]

Med and Engineering are generally the stable guaranteed job degrees, engineering is probably more saturated. Medicine is like what people pick for a guaranteed good job

 

[Deleted member 32221]

What country? If America medicine is fucking brutal, but honestly best move is to just pick what u like more. In either of these professions if you don't genuinely like the profession then ur just gonna crash and burn

 

[i_love_roosters]

hi so i have to choose my alevel subjects next year so it would really help me if u guys could tell me some pros and cons of both

my parents want me to become a IT/STEM but i have no intrest in that

i want to become a lwayer but my parents tell me its not viable i am in a sticky situation i would really apreciate your help

thanx

Consider gender studies, it's a really useful degree with many prospects and job opportunities

 

[Jarate]

hi so i have to choose my alevel subjects next year so it would really help me if u guys could tell me some pros and cons of both

my parents want me to become a IT/STEM but i have no intrest in that

i want to become a lwayer but my parents tell me its not viable i am in a sticky situation i would really apreciate your help

thanx

Medicine is best
The only job in France where you can earn 100k easily while doing nothing
200k if you grind the weekends

 

[based_pakichad421]

What country? If America medicine is fucking brutal, but honestly best move is to just pick what u like more. In either of these professions if you don't genuinely like the profession then ur just gonna crash and burn

yeah thats my biggest concern

 

[based_pakichad421]

Med and Engineering are generally the stable guaranteed job degrees, engineering is probably more saturated. Medicine is like what people pick for a guaranteed good job

yes i see thank u but what about law and accounting

 

[based_pakichad421]

Generally speaking lawyers have a higher ceiling than doctors, but lower floor. Become a lawyer if you're not ADHDcel and enjoy a lot of reading and writing.

Tech mogs both tho imo. But its more for Autistically inclined ppl

i actually love reading and writing plus im good at memorising stuff i think law might be it but is it viable and stable tho??

 

[Infinite]

Choose whichever one you'd be best at. Technically doctors make the most money on average, but someone who's good at coding will make way more than a doctor, and someone who's good at philosophy will make way more as a lawyer. And you'll make significantly less as a doctor if you aren't good at science.

Honestly this, choose what you will excel in.
I went for medicine since I honestly like it, working sucks. So gotta make it as painless as possible tbh

 

[sub5c3l]

Honestly this, choose what you will excel in.
I went for medicine since I honestly like it, working sucks. So gotta make it as painless as possible tbh

goodluck for ur future bhay

 

[Swarthy Knight]

i actually love reading and writing plus im good at memorising stuff i think law might be it but is it viable and stable tho??

Then you should probably study law. A decade ago when I was strongly considering studying law I did read a lot about how its supposedly over saturated at the entry level and that they don't make as much as people think. Not sure how true that is tho, or whether or not that still applies today. You should do some research on it.

But either way, if you think you got the skills for it it's def worth trying rather than picking a "stable" career which you hate and/or suck at.

 

[Infinite]

goodluck for ur future bhay

Thnx man! Good luck with whatever you're doing as well

 

[future_mogger]

STEM itself. lot of scope in biotech and biomedical engineering, but it takes some time to pay off. if youre into biology and dont wanna hustle that hard to be a doc, go for biotech

 

[MaherGOAT]

hi so i have to choose my alevel subjects next year so it would really help me if u guys could tell me some pros and cons of both

my parents want me to become a IT/STEM but i have no intrest in that

i want to become a lwayer but my parents tell me its not viable i am in a sticky situation i would really apreciate your help

thanx

idk about in US but in most western countries, neither of these are "saturated" fields. I go to law school and almost everyone is expected to find a job within 1 year in their desired city after school. There is a major shortage of doctors. People in STEM generally have a easy time finding jobs, too.

Your decision really, really shouldn't be made based on which field is most saturated or not. These are very, very different career paths. You need to understand what you are good at and what you enjoy. Some doctors or STEM people would not cut it in law school, and vice versa.

In my country, you need to grind your ass off to even get passing grades as a MD or in STEM. To get passing grades in law school really isn't hard. But to get a high paying career in big law, you'll need straight A/B's, which is basically unobtainable for certain personality types. Because you can't just gain "preporatory knowledge", i.e., memorize the curriculum. You need to have a deeper understanding. Med school is more about just insane everyday grind + memorize insane amounts of stuff. STEM is like bro, you're either autistic or you aren't. If you're not a beast in math already, don't even bother. If this isn't you, just narrow it down to law or md.

My gf is a medical doctor and honestly, I couldn't cut it in the education run. The work after? Yeah I could probably handle it, its long and often shitty hours, but it pays really, really well right off the bat.

Med school here in Norway is basically like, you're at school all day every day, and you're expected to attend and observe stuff going on at hospital several times per week on top of that, and this is before you're even started doing your homework. You're being sent across the country for months on end for practical work towards the end of the study run. Only positive is that most tests are multiple choice, which makes it easier, obviously. Oh and interestingly, medical school is 6 years, then you start another run (this might be unique to Norway) to become a "specialist" which takes another 5 years.

Law school on the other hand (again, in Norway so might be diff in your country):

Almost nothing is obligatory, except a 15 minute oral presentation each year + obviously exams. Its you and your books + some seminars and lectures, see you in May for exams. This is, at least for me, too much freedom. You can do almost nothing and still get average grades if you're smart, or you can be dumb as an oaf but work hard and still get average grades. But if you work hard and you're smart, thats how you can get top grades. Even if you do get picked up by a gigafirm (they headhunt top students several years before they graduate, offer them office to write masters thesis, traineeships etc), you'll not get close to a MDs salary until at least 3-4 years down the line. Then if you become partner you'll make more than 10 doctors combined.

 

[MaherGOAT]

I want to add this to my previous post:

Personality traits / skills you need to be a good law student:

- Critical thinker
- Very good writing skills, preferably also good speaking skills / peoples skills, but this is secondary as you can work on it throughout your study. But being good at writing is one of the most important core skills.
- Rational thinker, i.e., you are able to land on reasonable conclusions, or see what is reasonable outcomes in cases. This is secondary to showing that you understand the law at a given area, but a lot of young students have like zero life experience and draw absurd conclusions which makes the grader scratch his head.
- Structured life. This was a big issue for me (I was recently diagnosed with ADHD so its better now that Im on meds). Law school requires you to read and memorize a lot, so you can't be wasting your time playing video games etc. You literally need to do like gym > school > social > sleep grind every day.
- Able to see the big picture. This is a major flaw in most students. Its important to understand things on a deeper level than just "this law says that, so therefore this result". Why is the law like it is? Oftentimes you'll be able to trace it all the way back to the constitution, or basic principles that you see in all fields of law.

Personality traits / skills you need to be a good med student:

- Extremely structured life. The grind is insane, you need to live and breathe med school. Its all day every day.
- Good at memorizing insane amount of information. This is nothing like law school. You're reading and taking notes and doing anka cards all day every day
- Good people skills is extremely important. Sure lawyers deal with clients, but this is different. You need great interpersonal skills. You need to be emphatic.
- Extremely hard working. Both in and out of school. I think basically all MDs are overworked AF. As a lawyer you have much more freedom
- You need to, paradoxically, value a structured life LESS. Because once you're out of med school, you're either working trash hours pretty often, or you're bringing a lot of your work home with you.

I also want to add this, which I think people underestimate:

In the scenario that you feel you're well suited for both career paths, consider this:

- Medical field is a lot more practical and "hands on". You're on your feet, you're doing things with your hands. You might be putting in stitches, then you're feeling some dudes ballsack, then you're feeling a womans breasts, then you're doing tons of brain numbing paper work. (This is obviously just one example of one type of MD work, but you get the idea). Then in the weekend, you might be doing a night shift at your local hospital, taking emergency calls and dealing with literal life or death situations. All the while, you're in scrubs in a not so nice environment.

- Compare this to working in big law. You're in a state of the art office environment with tall, good looking people. You're wearing a different suit to work every day. No need to bring lunch - the cantina is staffed from 0700 - 1800, and after that there's plenty of premade food. You're working both by yourself and in teams on different cases, doing client meetings and writing drafts. Every friday there's rooftop BBQs. Often the department is doing social afterwork events, going out for drinks.

Now sure, there's downsides here too. There's a hierarchy, there's competition. But bro, this is looksmaxxing forum. I know for sure where I wanna work when comparing those two. Not just because of environment, but also because its just way more cushy. You get to primarily use your brain. I'm trash with my hands, I can't do shit practically.


edit: I made it sound like MDs are overworked while big law lawyers are not. This is not true. Lawyers in big law firms are also often overworked. But at least they're getting insane rewards once they become partner.

 

[Deleted member 49130]

Hello, I am a few years above you(y13) and in the same country (UK). Tbh, with any of these jobs, unless you are the top 0.1%, you will live a lower-middleclass life till about 35, then you can be middle-class.

This is because the UK pays its professionals shit, as the public sector is underfunded and the private sector is oversaturated(not enough customers due to public not having any money left to spend).

You need to plan to leave the UK if you want to live as a rich man, any of those careers, except law, have a easy to follow pathway:

STEM:
UK uni -> masters + year in industry -> 1-2 years of work experience and building portfolio while saving for the move -> move to USA or Canada

DOCTOR:
UK uni -> complete F1/F2 years [7-8yr]
Then:
(usa): Study for USMLE step 1 in med school and step 2 during f1/f2. -> 4 year IMG friendly residency -> make $300k/Yr at min. [+5 yr]
(australia): enter Australian training programme -> Upper class lifestyle [+2-8 Yr depending on specality]

LAW:
Find degree offering law of other country in UK or Study at non-uk University in target country

 

[zharupodrugu]

Plumber, HVAC, welder top tier jobs. Unsaturated and always in demand

 

[PrinceofDarkness]

if you're in the USA, unless you go to a top 40 law school, your life is gonna be shit unless u look extremely good looking like donald trumps arab whore lawyer who went to a dogshit school and eventually got the job as his lawyer.
Stem has no money unless you major in math/physics with business and kill it in finance/tech

Medicine will always be a ticket to a good salary but with alot of work, the pre-reqs, mcat, ecs needed to get into med school and then the steps/comlex to get into residency.
I'm biased towards medicine since that's what I'm pursuing but you do you

 

[based_pakichad421]

idk about in US but in most western countries, neither of these are "saturated" fields. I go to law school and almost everyone is expected to find a job within 1 year in their desired city after school. There is a major shortage of doctors. People in STEM generally have a easy time finding jobs, too.

Your decision really, really shouldn't be made based on which field is most saturated or not. These are very, very different career paths. You need to understand what you are good at and what you enjoy. Some doctors or STEM people would not cut it in law school, and vice versa.

In my country, you need to grind your ass off to even get passing grades as a MD or in STEM. To get passing grades in law school really isn't hard. But to get a high paying career in big law, you'll need straight A/B's, which is basically unobtainable for certain personality types. Because you can't just gain "preporatory knowledge", i.e., memorize the curriculum. You need to have a deeper understanding. Med school is more about just insane everyday grind + memorize insane amounts of stuff. STEM is like bro, you're either autistic or you aren't. If you're not a beast in math already, don't even bother. If this isn't you, just narrow it down to law or md.

My gf is a medical doctor and honestly, I couldn't cut it in the education run. The work after? Yeah I could probably handle it, its long and often shitty hours, but it pays really, really well right off the bat.

Med school here in Norway is basically like, you're at school all day every day, and you're expected to attend and observe stuff going on at hospital several times per week on top of that, and this is before you're even started doing your homework. You're being sent across the country for months on end for practical work towards the end of the study run. Only positive is that most tests are multiple choice, which makes it easier, obviously. Oh and interestingly, medical school is 6 years, then you start another run (this might be unique to Norway) to become a "specialist" which takes another 5 years.

Law school on the other hand (again, in Norway so might be diff in your country):

Almost nothing is obligatory, except a 15 minute oral presentation each year + obviously exams. Its you and your books + some seminars and lectures, see you in May for exams. This is, at least for me, too much freedom. You can do almost nothing and still get average grades if you're smart, or you can be dumb as an oaf but work hard and still get average grades. But if you work hard and you're smart, thats how you can get top grades. Even if you do get picked up by a gigafirm (they headhunt top students several years before they graduate, offer them office to write masters thesis, traineeships etc), you'll not get close to a MDs salary until at least 3-4 years down the line. Then if you become partner you'll make more than 10 doctors combined.

DUDE THANK U SO MUCH

 

[based_pakichad421]

I want to add this to my previous post:

Personality traits / skills you need to be a good law student:

- Critical thinker
- Very good writing skills, preferably also good speaking skills / peoples skills, but this is secondary as you can work on it throughout your study. But being good at writing is one of the most important core skills.
- Rational thinker, i.e., you are able to land on reasonable conclusions, or see what is reasonable outcomes in cases. This is secondary to showing that you understand the law at a given area, but a lot of young students have like zero life experience and draw absurd conclusions which makes the grader scratch his head.
- Structured life. This was a big issue for me (I was recently diagnosed with ADHD so its better now that Im on meds). Law school requires you to read and memorize a lot, so you can't be wasting your time playing video games etc. You literally need to do like gym > school > social > sleep grind every day.
- Able to see the big picture. This is a major flaw in most students. Its important to understand things on a deeper level than just "this law says that, so therefore this result". Why is the law like it is? Oftentimes you'll be able to trace it all the way back to the constitution, or basic principles that you see in all fields of law.

Personality traits / skills you need to be a good med student:

- Extremely structured life. The grind is insane, you need to live and breathe med school. Its all day every day.
- Good at memorizing insane amount of information. This is nothing like law school. You're reading and taking notes and doing anka cards all day every day
- Good people skills is extremely important. Sure lawyers deal with clients, but this is different. You need great interpersonal skills. You need to be emphatic.
- Extremely hard working. Both in and out of school. I think basically all MDs are overworked AF. As a lawyer you have much more freedom
- You need to, paradoxically, value a structured life LESS. Because once you're out of med school, you're either working trash hours pretty often, or you're bringing a lot of your work home with you.

I also want to add this, which I think people underestimate:

In the scenario that you feel you're well suited for both career paths, consider this:

- Medical field is a lot more practical and "hands on". You're on your feet, you're doing things with your hands. You might be putting in stitches, then you're feeling some dudes ballsack, then you're feeling a womans breasts, then you're doing tons of brain numbing paper work. (This is obviously just one example of one type of MD work, but you get the idea). Then in the weekend, you might be doing a night shift at your local hospital, taking emergency calls and dealing with literal life or death situations. All the while, you're in scrubs in a not so nice environment.

- Compare this to working in big law. You're in a state of the art office environment with tall, good looking people. You're wearing a different suit to work every day. No need to bring lunch - the cantina is staffed from 0700 - 1800, and after that there's plenty of premade food. You're working both by yourself and in teams on different cases, doing client meetings and writing drafts. Every friday there's rooftop BBQs. Often the department is doing social afterwork events, going out for drinks.

Now sure, there's downsides here too. There's a hierarchy, there's competition. But bro, this is looksmaxxing forum. I know for sure where I wanna work when comparing those two. Not just because of environment, but also because its just way more cushy. You get to primarily use your brain. I'm trash with my hands, I can't do shit practically.


edit: I made it sound like MDs are overworked while big law lawyers are not. This is not true. Lawyers in big law firms are also often overworked. But at least they're getting insane rewards once they become partner.

graycel saves the day

 

[based_pakichad421]

Hello, I am a few years above you(y13) and in the same country (UK). Tbh, with any of these jobs, unless you are the top 0.1%, you will live a lower-middleclass life till about 35, then you can be middle-class.

This is because the UK pays its professionals shit, as the public sector is underfunded and the private sector is oversaturated(not enough customers due to public not having any money left to spend).

You need to plan to leave the UK if you want to live as a rich man, any of those careers, except law, have a easy to follow pathway:

STEM:
UK uni -> masters + year in industry -> 1-2 years of work experience and building portfolio while saving for the move -> move to USA or Canada

DOCTOR:
UK uni -> complete F1/F2 years [7-8yr]
Then:
(usa): Study for USMLE step 1 in med school and step 2 during f1/f2. -> 4 year IMG friendly residency -> make $300k/Yr at min. [+5 yr]
(australia): enter Australian training programme -> Upper class lifestyle [+2-8 Yr depending on specality]

LAW:
Find degree offering law of other country in UK or Study at non-uk University in target country

i see thank u so much

 

[radicalrationalist]

stem is the least useless/parasitic because those jobs do not rely on a steady supply of injured and helpless people. it's work in exploiting a dysfunctional society.

but all of them seem like a waste of time when the collapse is imminent. you're better off just holding bitcoin and then just hopping on welfare.

 

[the_bubble_dox]

Do a major like cognitive science that allows you study all three. At the end of college, take the MCAT, LSAT, and apply to coding jobs. Whichever one you score highest in, do. You don't need to study for LSAT because it's an IQ test, and cognitive science will take care of the knowledge you need for MCAT and a good chunking of coding. If you get a high LSAT score, you're guaranteed a top 1% income. If you don't, then there's no point in becoming a lawyer.

 

[RoyaleWithCheese]

Medicine and law to a lesser degree have a lot of women, which will create opportunities for warm approach and a favorable ratio in your dating pool.

 

[Deleted member]

jfl at getting a meme degree

 

[User28823]

Do a major like cognitive science that allows you study all three. At the end of college, take the MCAT, LSAT, and apply to coding jobs. Whichever one you score highest in, do. You don't need to study for LSAT because it's an IQ test, and cognitive science will take care of the knowledge you need for MCAT and a good chunking of coding. If you get a high LSAT score, you're guaranteed a top 1% income. If you don't, then there's no point in becoming a lawyer.

this is retarded advice
do u know the time commitment to even one of these fields?
just be jack of all trades and a master of none theory
good way to fail miserably considering the applicants to these fields are focusing their full attention to a single one

also 99percent of the dudes are doing stem or it idk if it will be saturated and only top percentile might be able to get in

getting a coding or engineering job is a lot easier than becoming a dr or lawyer

 

[GriffithMaxx]

Would say medicine and this is coming from someone who got his Electrical Engineering degree and graduated with a 3.9. With engineering, it's only becoming more and more saturated and this applies for all engineering disciplines. Don't get me wrong you can still graduate and make 80k+ out of college but there are a couple of problems with engineering:

1. Finding a job isn't insanely difficult at the moment (maybe for cs it lol) but I have friends who are graduating telling me it's becoming harder and harder for them to get jobs. Some of them have had to resort to taking contracted jobs that end after a certain time because they can't find any permanent positions. I know of companies outsourcing work from India and Mexico and it's only getting worse. This is even worse for cs/sw. Just look on the internet and see how many people are bitching over being unable to find work.
2. I and most people I know do almost nothing engineering related and are basically glorified paper pushers. Very boring and depressing, maybe because I'm a recent grad IDK but it seems like this for almost anyone I talk to.
3. Stagnant career. Once you're an engineer there isn't much room for you to advance unless you decide to go the management route but that's something people do after like 15-20+ years of experience. You're capped at around 200k+ salary (still great money, just not doctor money) as an engineer and that's after 15-20 years like I mentioned earlier (unless you get in FAANG or something but that's extremely rare). You can't open up your own place etc.

Don't get me wrong, STEM is a great choice considering you work a simple 9-5 and make good money for it, shit I made 80k out of college. Just wouldn't go that route again if I had a second choice considering I hate what I do.

Wouldn't recommend law unless you're able to get into a top school. I always hear about how many lawyers make shit pay and work crazy hours for bad pay because they didn't graduate from a prestigious university. The debt isn't worth it.

With medicine you're guaranteed a job out of school and regardless on what type of doctor you want to become, the bare minimum you'll make starting is like 130k and that's the low end (usually much more but trying to be conservative). The debt and time is worth it because once a doctor you'll always have a job where you're guaranteed great money. You can also open up your own office or something later on and make even more. Feels like there's a lot of opportunities. It is very time consuming though.

 

[m0ss26]

Whatever you do just don’t pick law jfl. Do you know how many lawyers are stuck making like 80k working as a low level associate at some firm. Most of them. Medicine mogs but it’s a longgg path