Is this forum sex-negative?

[AlexAP]

Sex-positivity: The view that every sexual behavior that is between consensual adults should be legal, and should not be shamed (lying/cheating is an exception).
This includes: Premarital sex, sex outside of relationships, same-sex people having sex, promiscuity, open relationships/poly, all sorts of sex work (prostitution, porn, Onlyfans, etc.), all preferences (ethnicity, age gaps, body form, etc.), all sexual acts (anal, BDSM, etc.), all ways of meeting between consensual adults (including cold approach, sex tourism, etc.) are okay and should be legal and not shamed.

Sex-negativity: The view that sexual behavior should be strictly regulated by law or social shaming or both.
This definitely includes shaming promiscuity, sex outside of relationships, open relationships/poly and all sorts of sex work. Sometimes it also includes shaming same-sex people having sex, some ways of meeting between consensual adults (like sex tourism) or specific preferences (that are called "fetishes"). What is rare today is shaming premarital sex or specific sexual acts.

This forum seems to be mostly sex-negative. On the one hand users glorify promiscuity in men as the best thing in the world, on the other hand (1) it's clear that this is just a way to signal high status in the male hierarchy, while in reality most say they want a loving girlfriend and don't like meaningless sex, (2) the same users have extreme disgust towards women who are promiscuous. Overall, I think users here are much more sex-negative than the average man today.

I think this shows that most users here are less "masculine" than the average man (or even woman), who today are usually sex-positive. Attitudes that are sex-negative correlate with high levels of neuroticism, anxiety and avoidant attachment style (the last includes being promiscuous while at the same time hating promiscuity, just like many women do, or male users here). This forum was actually the first time I saw promiscuous men feeling bad about being promiscuous, I guess it's the neuroticism.

 

[moggathon]

Idk it varies weekly

 

[AlexAP]

Idk it varies weekly

It seems like most here either hate things like hookup culture and don't want to take part in it (even if they actually could), or they do take part in it and feel bad about it.

 

[WishIwasChico]

Obviously it’s sex negative do I look like a feminist only fans whore to you?

 

[AlexAP]

Obviously it’s sex negative do I look like a feminist only fans whore to you?

Lol this was written by you
"Happiness is focusing on yourself, doing things you enjoy and finding a girl who is cute and will spend time and care for you. A girl that wake you up every morning and suck you dry and then cook for you etc. and only care for you. Not fucking some tinder ran thru slag that can’t even make toast or string a sentence together. Only people deeply unhappy with themselves and are insecure find enjoyment out of such degenerate shit. I am done with that. I know my worth now"

I can’t believe I used to brag about slaying tinder slags

I can’t believe. I really thought that was the life slaying mid girls that are ran thru off tinder. It is sad man. So fucking sad. That isn’t what happiness is. Happiness is focusing on yourself, doing things you enjoy and finding a girl who is cute and will spend time and care for you. A...

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[dreamcake1mo]

Your idea on masculinity is fairy dust though?

Really, this post is all over the place.

The reason men here are not traditionally sex positive is because they understand that the modern idea of sex positivity goes against their natural inclinations and is exploitative in nature against the man. This is less about masculinity and more about logic. Which is, something the male brain is biologically prepositioned to be more attached to. This is speaking vaugly.

Lets look at only fans. Masculine men hate onlyfans because its not an equal exchange at all, and only serves to benefit the women while the man is exploited of his nature. It creates unequal power balances and makes it harder for the men to have sex in the long run. The same with premarital sex. This is based on observation. These women may be more attractive but they become unable to pair bond after a bunch of partners and cycle deep into sociopathy the more they partake in this nature. Its simply an inconvenience. A guy of course wants a women he is sexually attracted to, to give him sex as soon as possible, but if it comes at the cost of her being a decent human being, if it comes with the high risk of dealing with a hypergamous, exploitative sociopath. Then of course the greater good is the better pick. Id also say that sex tourism is not a thing a man would be fond of because it popularizes something that should remain gatekept. Men enjoy it, but it being popular is another cause and effect that is simply inconvenient. Trends and unsustainable models of living which attract the wrong people and inconveniences everyone.

Its not about shutting down sexuality, its about managing and vetting the inconveniences. A lot of guys here, for example would rather have 1 women who is fanaticized about them and can give them constant sex, than 10 women who dont give a shit who the only stand to get lucky for a turn. Less effort, more profit(value), and a healthier more sustainable model. Is this now how a man should think?

 

[AlexAP]

Masculine men hate onlyfans because its not an equal exchange at all, and only serves to benefit the women while the man is exploited of his nature. It creates unequal power balances and makes it harder for the men to have sex in the long run.

I think most masculine men just don't give a shit about Onlyfans, it's pure indifference. And the existence of Onlyfans doesn't make it harder for men to have sex.

The same with premarital sex. This is based on observation. These women may be more attractive but they become unable to pair bond after a bunch of partners and cycle deep into sociopathy the more they partake in this nature. Its simply an inconvenience. A guy of course wants his women to give him sex as soon as possible, but if it comes at the cost of her being a decent women then thed rather pick the greater good.

Most men today wouldn't even want to date a virgin after a certain age, it's not like they demand a highly promiscuous woman, but having had sex in the past is not something that makes men not want to commit to her.

Wanting a virgin does indeed correlate with insecurity, do you really think users here are really all about science lol, they want to justify their insecurity with statistics. Most masculine men don't care about virginity in women.

 

[HarrierDuBois]

(((Sex-positivity))).

 

[WishIwasChico]

(((Sex-positivity))).

All women are whores and any foid that has hookups should be slut shamed and is trash

 

[AlexAP]

(((Sex-positivity))).

Yeah?

 

[HarrierDuBois]

All women are whores and any foid that has hookups should be slut shamed and is trash

Neither men or women are naturally promiscuous in the wild, that's why they have pair bonding as part of their neurochemistry so that they stay together with their first partner and raise the children together.

Such darwinistic redpill pseudo muh "men must impregnate a bunch of women to spread seed", how do you think your child will survive if 1. The mother can't be safely protected during the pregnancy, and 2. The baby grows up in a vulnerable environment without a father (this may have effects both physical due to dangers but also mental due to disrupting the nuclear family).

It's not sustainable to impregnate a bunch of women and hope some kids grow up and turn out fine, that way you don't ensure a high quality offspring at all which defeats the purpose. Best odds of healthy offspring is to impregnate and pair bond with one woman then together in a safe and psychologically harmonic environment raise the child.

We are made in the image of God and the modern society is seduced by sin. But muh Genghis Khan muh Andrew Tate!!!11!1 Fuck this forum and fuck the retardation of edgy incel teens thinking they are God.

 

[AlexAP]

Neither men or women aren't naturally promiscuous in the wild, that's why they have pair bonding as part of their neurochemistry so that they stay together with their first partner and raise the children together. Such darwinistic redpill pseudo muh "men must impregnate a bunch of women to spread seed", how do you think your child will survive if 1. The mother can't be safely protected during the pregnancy, and 2. The baby grows up in a vulnerable environment without a father (this may have effects both physical due to dangers but also mental due to disrupting the nuclear family). It's not sustainable to impregnate a bunch of women and hope some kids grow up and turn out fine, that way you don't ensure a high quality offspring at all which defeats the purpose. We are made in the image of God and the modern society is seduced by sin. But muh Genghis Khan muh Andrew Tate!!!11!1

Don't you think serial monogamy (or even open relationships) is what most humans are naturally inclined too, while laws and social shaming has throughout most of history enforced monogamy?

 

[dreamcake1mo]

I think most masculine men just don't give a shit about Onlyfans, it's pure indifference. And the existence of Onlyfans doesn't make it harder for men to have sex.

Most men today wouldn't even want to date a virgin after a certain age, it's not like they demand a highly promiscuous woman, but having had sex in the past is not something that makes men not want to commit to her.

Wanting a virgin does indeed correlate with insecurity, do you really think users here are really all about science lol, they want to justify their insecurity with statistics. Most masculine men don't care about virginity in women.

A key part about masculinity is mental and moral precision. True masculine males are not indifferent when it comes to choice. Its not really how the male works. By definition the feminine is more likely to be indifferent, while the male is more likely to be "different". I guess you can replace the word for divergent.

This is scientifically proven. Its called the greater male variability hypothesis, where males are shown to have greater variance in creative processes than women. This can also be observed to be true. A man composition is simply more likely to deviate and do wild crazy shit, rebel, while women compositions are more prone to act socially uniform, 'safe', and conform.

https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/psychology/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2021.626911/full

And yes, onlyfans does make it harder for men to have sex. This is a fact. Its a weaponization of sex. You simply cannot host a platform that favors body aesthetics which women excel in compared to men due to a mans compulsion torwards a womans body, and exploit this aspect. It creates inflated layers of fiscal and socioeconomic value towards the women body, then false scarcity of real sex, and thus inflation of value of sexual favors from a women, which does absolutely nothing for a man except keep the illusion of women scarcity high, and the normalization of unequal gain. Its not just the women exploiting it, but the very nature and setup of the platform itself that is the problem. My words are pretty crude, but i think, If you dont understand this then your not in the right mind!

I somewhat agree with your last statements about virginity. The obsession with virginity may correlate with insecurity, but thats not certain. Some users here do say water shit about virgins, but id bet a good amount already understand the sciences behind their thoughts. Like, how statistically likely a women would be lying about being a virgin at 40yo in modern society, or how it still could highlight other deal breaking flaws like a strong hypergamy.

 

[HarrierDuBois]

Don't you think serial monogamy (or even open relationships) is what most humans are naturally inclined too, while laws and social shaming has throughout most of history enforced monogamy?

Monogamy is our natural state. That is why we pair bond and children do way worse when growing up outside of the nuclear family.
Children growing up in non nuclear families have worse tendencies in most regards. If a child lacks a parent in their life at all times they have increased odds of: depression, loneliness, anxiety, anger, behavioral problems at school, low academic achievement, motivation, lack of self-esteem, misbehavior, truancy, and stealing.

 

[0kami123]

Sex positivity is how we have trannies and pedos.

 

[HarrierDuBois]

A key part about masculinity is mental and moral precision. True masculine males are not indifferent when it comes to choice. Its not really how the male works. By definition the feminine is more likely to be indifferent, while the male is more likely to be "different". I guess you can replace the word for divergent.

This is scientifically proven. Its called the greater male variability hypothesis, where males are shown to have greater variance in creative processes than women. This can also be observed to be true. A man composition is simply more likely to deviate and do wild crazy shit while women compositions are more prone to being socially uniform.

https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/psychology/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2021.626911/full

And yes, onlyfans does make it harder for men to have sex. This is a fact. Its a weaponization of sex. You simply cannot host a platform that favors body aesthetics which women excell in compared to men due to a mans compulsion torwards a womans body, and exploit this aspect. It creates undeeded layers of fiscal value torwards the women body, then false scarcity of sex, which does absolutely nothing for a man except keep the illusion of scarcity high, and the normalization of unequal gain. My words are pretty crude, but i think, If you dont understand this then your not in the right mind!

I agree with your last statements about virginity. Im not speaking up for the guys in these forums btw. I do find a lot of them really feminine natured, assuming their not just trolling (which they probably are).

True. Statistics show women have a lower variance in cognitive function stacks on average than men, TL;DR: Most women are similar while men tend to have more outliers. Women generally stay within the same molds while men tend to bend them.

 

[AlexAP]

Children growing up in non nuclear families have worse tendencies in most regards.

That doesn't say anything about male and female sexual incliniations.

If a child lacks a parent in their life at all times they have increased odds of: depression, loneliness, anxiety, anger, behavioral problems at school, low academic achievement, motivation, lack of self-esteem, misbehavior, truancy, and stealing.

Correlation is not causation, obviously in our modern world single parents are more likely to be impulsive, irresponsible people who will be bad parents. But children who grow up with single mothers by choice (sperm donor) do not have worse outcomes.

 

[socialcel]

All women are whores and any foid that has hookups should be slut shamed and is trash

 

[redmaxx]

It is disgusting, primitive, animalistic, dirty, and shameful. It makes weak animals out of who could have been strong people. Why shouldn't we be negative about it?

 

[HarrierDuBois]

That doesn't say anything about male and female sexual incliniations.

Our natural tendencies when not being told how to live are such that we pair bond neurochemically with our first partner. Only in modern society has this been disregarded and gaslit that it is not relevant and you can ignore it. Why do you think depression has skyrocketed in modern times to extents that are completely unnatural? As well as men and women alike being stuck up on that "one first love".

Correlation is not causation, obviously in our modern world single parents are more likely to be impulsive, irresponsible people who will be bad parents. But children who grow up with single mothers by choice (sperm donor) do not have worse outcomes.

You blatantly ignore the importance of good parental dynamics during your childhood. To say it's all coincidence is quite frankly ignorant. To not be restrained when having bad tendencies and behaviours during your youth (which is generally the fathers job, as well as being a good example) will have detrimental outcomes.

"63% of you suicides are from fatherless homes that is according to the US department of health and human services.

80% of rapist motivated by displaced anger come from fatherless homes according to an FBI survey.

71% of high school dropouts come from fatherless homes reported by the National Fatherhood Initiative.

75% of adolescent patients and chemical abuse centers come from fatherless homes according to the US department of health and human services.

68% of juveniles in state operated institutions have little or no contact with their fathers according to US department of justice.

85% of children with behavioral problems come from fatherless homes according to the center for disease control.

Among high school students those who live with only their mother are nearly four times more likely to drop out of school then students from two parent households according to the US department education.

Young adult men with Epson fathers are twice as likely to be implicated in violent crimes according to the US department of Justice.

Economically disadvantaged youth or five times more likely to be incarcerated if they live in a fatherless home according to the National Fatherhood Initiative.

Children with Father absence have the highest rates of infant mortality, child abuse, adolescent depression and juvenile crime according to Family Scholar.

Over 70% of long-term prison inmates grew up without a father according to the US department of Justice and Center for Disease control.

These statistics paint a sobering picture of the difficulties fatherless children face. Of course they do not prove that fatherlessness causes these problems but the correlations are remarkably strong.

The detrimental impacts of Father absence deserve serious recognition and address through policy, programs and social efforts."

 

[AlexAP]

It is disgusting, primitive, animalistic, dirty, and shameful. It makes weak animals out of who could have been strong people. Why shouldn't we be negative about it?

Because men are supposed to enjoy sex.

 

[redmaxx]

Because men are supposed to enjoy sex.

If you take the side of animalism, maybe. But real men are cut from higher cloth.

 

[InnerVoid]

why hate sex because we cant have it