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My thoughts is that Its supposed to be cope. For example, Abrahamic religions is not god, its a social order based on "it". The source (or source data) of said religion is a different story, (like the bible, or some other text) but the religious group that comes from it is undoubtly a societal order.
Think of all the women and people out there. Children. Socially-popular dominated and/or carnal people and women who prefer/are prone to follow social orders socially etc, and are more prone to being easily influenced/learn through social or hierarchy means (not as standalone in thought and not as adept/self motivated/not interested to be analytical).. The reason people say children are like sponges is because the combination of those wide range of varying outliers described above (and similar ones not mentioned), makes them in simple terms... easily influenced, naïve etc.
Human beings, especially the majority that fall under that category need to have a sort of societal culture or religious order that highlights and promotes mental and morally precise behavior, unless the bad apple of humanity become the bunch. This sometimes for some people, the only way they learn. Plus, there's no such thing as freedom or freewill. Without proactive rules promoting/popularizing/advertising moral and mental precision (noncarnal behaviors and forms of thought), and/or without certain religious/popular culture/popular social group rules and cultures that promote and popularize mental and moral precision, things spiral get out of control to carnality and animal, and reprobate becomes humanity, and humanity becomes something less of consciousness and more of animal. It does not remain advanced. The reason/science behind why is your homework to do, though.
Just like the concept of freewill or freedom. It does not exist as you will always be sandwiched between options, even if that option is to not make any option. The concept of religion has always been societal order. So religious or not, you are and will still be affected by some other form of societal order unless this whole matter is made aware (whether its the religion/societal order of science, of carnality, or some other social order). Unless you analytically choose to non associate yourself with certain societal orders.
Yea, some people like me and hopefully you are more independent in thought, application/analytical etc. So i dont need to consciously/mentally label to some weird group of social order like Christian, Islamic, athiest, or scientist etc. So yea, for me religion is a cope, and i tend to see the baseline behind religious text and understanding in a more analytical manner. For example, the bible to me is similar to data. And there's no need to identify with the data and claim Christian, or Israel whatever, but to analyze it instead. Anyways, whats good for me will be good, and whats bad will quite literally be bad, even if it presents itself good or bad. And like all things that learn, the legitimacy of the information will prove itself overtime as long as i remain analytical and such to the data.
But for others who are prone to being socially dominated, and the majority of humanity in general who are just not quite proficient at the analytical state of mind yet, (or for those that even lack great proficiency in it), religion, or social order/group association can be used/is used as a law to control/influence certain behaviors, willingness, desires , goals etc. And we can observe just how strong social influences, influence people and the mind today, for example, whereso people will behave/do/learn certain things all to /mentally/socially peg or consider themselves Christian, Islamic, vaccinated, rich, elite, intelligent etc.
I think the perfect combination is mentally and morally precise popular religion/popular social culture yet people still having the analytical and application based mindset. No need to be low IQ and deny/not improve healthy science and QOL advancements simply to claim god this and god that instead of practically analyzing things, and moving intellectually independent. There is some misconception that science denies a concept such as "god", but if anything it actually proves it.
Likewise, there's also this weird idea that you have to shallowly switch things that happen in intellectual capability with "god" as a deity. Especially in this case, where not only is the understanding of such an all encompassing thing such as "god", and the mind, limited. But id say most of those people only see the end product, or dont see it at all, because they lack the capability or understanding to conceive the thing in awe. And once again, perhaps those people have the same traits written throughout these paragraphs that lead them suspect of being more influenced socially/through popular order and such etc. At the end of the day, its imperative and in good accuracy, to keep people in their respective orders. (A carbon footprint advocate should not have full grounds to influence someone who specializes and has great understanding in agriculture, like a good farmer, unless they themselves present a certain level, if not higher range of accurate data and mastery of agriculture against the farmer).
Thoughts?
When something good happens to them they will say its god but when someone get raped or killed they will tell you It's our free will,
Such a retarded cope.
My thoughts is that Its supposed to be cope. For example, Abrahamic religions is not god, its a social order based on "it". The source (or source data) of said religion is a different story, (like the bible, or some other text) but the religious group that comes from it is undoubtly a societal order.
Think of all the women and people out there. Children. Socially-popular dominated and/or carnal people and women who prefer/are prone to follow social orders socially etc, and are more prone to being easily influenced/learn through social or hierarchy means (not as standalone in thought and not as adept/self motivated/not interested to be analytical).. The reason people say children are like sponges is because the combination of those wide range of varying outliers described above (and similar ones not mentioned), makes them in simple terms... easily influenced, naïve etc.
Human beings, especially the majority that fall under that category need to have a sort of societal culture or religious order that highlights and promotes mental and morally precise behavior, unless the bad apple of humanity become the bunch. This sometimes for some people, the only way they learn. Plus, there's no such thing as freedom or freewill. Without proactive rules promoting/popularizing/advertising moral and mental precision (noncarnal behaviors and forms of thought), and/or without certain religious/popular culture/popular social group rules and cultures that promote and popularize mental and moral precision, things spiral get out of control to carnality and animal, and reprobate becomes humanity, and humanity becomes something less of consciousness and more of animal. It does not remain advanced. The reason/science behind why is your homework to do, though.
Just like the concept of freewill or freedom. It does not exist as you will always be sandwiched between options, even if that option is to not make any option. The concept of religion has always been societal order. So religious or not, you are and will still be affected by some other form of societal order unless this whole matter is made aware (whether its the religion/societal order of science, of carnality, or some other social order). Unless you analytically choose to non associate yourself with certain societal orders.
Yea, some people like me and hopefully you are more independent in thought, application/analytical etc. So i dont need to consciously/mentally label to some weird group of social order like Christian, Islamic, athiest, or scientist etc. So yea, for me religion is a cope, and i tend to see the baseline behind religious text and understanding in a more analytical manner. For example, the bible to me is similar to data. And there's no need to identify with the data and claim Christian, or Israel whatever, but to analyze it instead. Anyways, whats good for me will be good, and whats bad will quite literally be bad, even if it presents itself good or bad. And like all things that learn, the legitimacy of the information will prove itself overtime as long as i remain analytical and such to the data.
But for others who are prone to being socially dominated, and the majority of humanity in general who are just not quite proficient at the analytical state of mind yet, (or for those that even lack great proficiency in it), religion, or social order/group association can be used/is used as a law to control/influence certain behaviors, willingness, desires , goals etc. And we can observe just how strong social influences, influence people and the mind today, for example, whereso people will behave/do/learn certain things all to /mentally/socially peg or consider themselves Christian, Islamic, vaccinated, rich, elite, intelligent etc.
I think the perfect combination is mentally and morally precise popular religion/popular social culture yet people still having the analytical and application based mindset. No need to be low IQ and deny/not improve healthy science and QOL advancements simply to claim god this and god that instead of practically analyzing things, and moving intellectually independent. There is some misconception that science denies a concept such as "god", but if anything it actually proves it.
Likewise, there's also this weird idea that you have to shallowly switch things that happen in intellectual capability with "god" as a deity. Especially in this case, where not only is the understanding of such an all encompassing thing such as "god", and the mind, limited. But id say most of those people only see the end product, or dont see it at all, because they lack the capability or understanding to conceive the thing in awe. And once again, perhaps those people have the same traits written throughout these paragraphs that lead them suspect of being more influenced socially/through popular order and such etc. At the end of the day, its imperative and in good accuracy, to keep people in their respective orders. (A carbon footprint advocate should not have full grounds to influence someone who specializes and has great understanding in agriculture, like a good farmer, unless they themselves present a certain level, if not higher range of accurate data and mastery of agriculture against the farmer).
Thoughts?
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