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For context, I am reposting a comment because here I think it's worthy of its own thread. Late 2020 there was a big discussion on the ideal eye area. It felt like a big turning point in the way we discuss eye aesthetics here. The uncanny Jordan Barett-tier alien eye area was rightly being called out. There was a user (can't remember his name) that was trying to change the prevailing view... stating that "hunter eyes were a meme" and that most models had "gay alien" eyes. Make no mistake, he's right in some respects but I don't support his view completely.
See my analysis below on the ideal "hunter eye" area and how I believe it's connected to facial aesthetics + irl appeal.
My original comment quoting the OP:
Most of those guys have round orbitals and shit PFL. Long PFL and downturned medial canthus seem to be rarer than hooding. Hooding can depend on pheno also:
This guy looks Finnish. A lot of people with his pheno have hooded eyes but shit browridge and/or lacking in other areas. In his case medium set supraorbitals and shit browridge.
In his case
He has good PFL but shit PFL - PFH ratio. Orbitals are still too rounded.
This guy should be self-explanatory... rounded orbitals, shit PFL, UEE
This guy got a bit of UEE, medium set supraorbitals.
Basically, there are some prerequisites for the perfect hunter eyes. Note I say perfect because what an autist here or a normie might consider being hunter eyes won't cater for everything.
I'm ranking traits by rarity:
Very Rare:
- Downturned medial canthus (The rarest and most dimorphic trait on the eye area - think Andreas Eriksen. Not even O'Pry has a downturned medial canthus. Look at every DOM morph and there is always a downturned medial canthus).
- Forward grown infraorbitals. Very rare to see good infraorbitals. For example, on European caucaosoid phenotypes practically 99% of the population has recessed infraorbitals.
- Exceptional eye colour. Think anything with good contrast between limbal ring and iris. A10 (icy blue) on the eye colouring chart or very light green.
Rare:
- Long PFL
- No UEE - (i.e. hooding)
- Good PFL - PFH ratio
- Lowset supraorbital
- Deepset eyes - strong browridge
- Good undereye support - often overlooked and rare. Often recessed infraorbitals can lead to bad undereye support. Not 100% of the time though.
- Good eye colour (basically light eyes with decent contrast. Nothing outstanding).
Uncommon:
- Positive orbital vector
- Thick eyebrows + density
- Positively tilted eyebrows
- Lowset eyebrows (Again seems to be dependent on pheno. Med phenotypes for example tend to have lowset eyebrows. It goes hand-in-hand with lowset supraorbitals).
- Thick eyelashes + density
Cannot have:
- Scleral show
- Any kind of dark circles
- Nasojugal folds. Connects to the eye area and indirectly ends up impacting the aesthetics so including this here.
- Bad IPD. No cyclops-tier IPD and no hammerhead shark-tier IPD.
- Negative canthal tilt (I don't believe canthal tilt is a deathly failo for an eye area. In regards to the hunter eyes meme, it's impossible to have hunter eyes with an N tilt).
Bonuses/Other features:
- Aegyo sal. Not necessary for the perfect eye area. Very rare - think Lachowski but I haven't included it as a prerequisite.
I probably missed some stuff but you get the point. I don't even know if a single male model would fit all of the criteria. Also, if you were to morph all of these features onto a person it would likely end up looking uncanny. I don't even know tbh... shit's complicated. We also have to consider how features are interconnected. For example, there is a positive correlation between IPD and PFL. This is because wider FACES (bigger FWHR; think high prenatal testosterone exposure), leads to wider everything (wider nasal bridge, higher IPD and and higher PFL). A PFL mogger is more likely to have a wider IPD which can make them look uncanny. Nearly all male models with "hunter eyes" have above average IPD, but not to the point that it looks uncanny. You get the point though... and you can easily see how a potential "hunter eye" mogger can end up looking like a hammerhead shark.
The debate on ratios brings me to my next point. It's about how well the eye area harmonises with the rest of the FACE. That's why some autists get too obsessed with the hunter eyes meme. Some of the best eye areas are almond-shaped with some UEE but have other redeeming features like good eye colour + long PFL + undereye support.
It's also about appealing to averages. By normie standards, an eye area with almond shape and good colouring has way more appeal relative to a hunter eye area like De Poot. Sure, De Poot looks exotic and easily lands a job on the runway, but his extreme PCT + long PFL only have niche appeal in the sexual market. Nonetheless, it is a form of appeal and we can mire his aesthetics.
tl;dr You're right OP. Very few people in the world have "true" hunter eyes if we go by the stringent criteria above. However, hunter eyes don't necessarily equate to 99 percentile appeal. Having dimorphic eyes will likely give you an "exotic" eye area that is likely to be above average appeal. We can't doubt that. Do the best eye areas in the world have true hunter eyes? It's questionable and a complicated topic.
See my analysis below on the ideal "hunter eye" area and how I believe it's connected to facial aesthetics + irl appeal.
My original comment quoting the OP:
Then go out and observe better. Youre probably making the same mistake as low IQ bluepilled normies. Even with all these models, there are a handful of MM who have legit hunter eyes, and heres you coping with "MUH legit hunter eyes are 1 in 100..." JFL.
A person with giga low set eyebrows and browbone is like 1 in several thousand. Then there is the eye shape that could still be too round, that guy could still have neutral canthal tilt or negative etc...
Show me pictures of hunter eyes on non Models or celebrities that we all know. Show me pictures from normal users who legit have hunter eyes without squinting like retards and pulling their eyebrows down intentionally with their facial expression.
Out of all mewing pictures Ive seen so far, only Salludon has legit hunter eyes.
Most of those guys have round orbitals and shit PFL. Long PFL and downturned medial canthus seem to be rarer than hooding. Hooding can depend on pheno also:
This guy looks Finnish. A lot of people with his pheno have hooded eyes but shit browridge and/or lacking in other areas. In his case medium set supraorbitals and shit browridge.
In his case
He has good PFL but shit PFL - PFH ratio. Orbitals are still too rounded.
This guy should be self-explanatory... rounded orbitals, shit PFL, UEE
This guy got a bit of UEE, medium set supraorbitals.
Basically, there are some prerequisites for the perfect hunter eyes. Note I say perfect because what an autist here or a normie might consider being hunter eyes won't cater for everything.
I'm ranking traits by rarity:
Very Rare:
- Downturned medial canthus (The rarest and most dimorphic trait on the eye area - think Andreas Eriksen. Not even O'Pry has a downturned medial canthus. Look at every DOM morph and there is always a downturned medial canthus).
- Forward grown infraorbitals. Very rare to see good infraorbitals. For example, on European caucaosoid phenotypes practically 99% of the population has recessed infraorbitals.
- Exceptional eye colour. Think anything with good contrast between limbal ring and iris. A10 (icy blue) on the eye colouring chart or very light green.
Rare:
- Long PFL
- No UEE - (i.e. hooding)
- Good PFL - PFH ratio
- Lowset supraorbital
- Deepset eyes - strong browridge
- Good undereye support - often overlooked and rare. Often recessed infraorbitals can lead to bad undereye support. Not 100% of the time though.
- Good eye colour (basically light eyes with decent contrast. Nothing outstanding).
Uncommon:
- Positive orbital vector
- Thick eyebrows + density
- Positively tilted eyebrows
- Lowset eyebrows (Again seems to be dependent on pheno. Med phenotypes for example tend to have lowset eyebrows. It goes hand-in-hand with lowset supraorbitals).
- Thick eyelashes + density
Cannot have:
- Scleral show
- Any kind of dark circles
- Nasojugal folds. Connects to the eye area and indirectly ends up impacting the aesthetics so including this here.
- Bad IPD. No cyclops-tier IPD and no hammerhead shark-tier IPD.
- Negative canthal tilt (I don't believe canthal tilt is a deathly failo for an eye area. In regards to the hunter eyes meme, it's impossible to have hunter eyes with an N tilt).
Bonuses/Other features:
- Aegyo sal. Not necessary for the perfect eye area. Very rare - think Lachowski but I haven't included it as a prerequisite.
I probably missed some stuff but you get the point. I don't even know if a single male model would fit all of the criteria. Also, if you were to morph all of these features onto a person it would likely end up looking uncanny. I don't even know tbh... shit's complicated. We also have to consider how features are interconnected. For example, there is a positive correlation between IPD and PFL. This is because wider FACES (bigger FWHR; think high prenatal testosterone exposure), leads to wider everything (wider nasal bridge, higher IPD and and higher PFL). A PFL mogger is more likely to have a wider IPD which can make them look uncanny. Nearly all male models with "hunter eyes" have above average IPD, but not to the point that it looks uncanny. You get the point though... and you can easily see how a potential "hunter eye" mogger can end up looking like a hammerhead shark.
The debate on ratios brings me to my next point. It's about how well the eye area harmonises with the rest of the FACE. That's why some autists get too obsessed with the hunter eyes meme. Some of the best eye areas are almond-shaped with some UEE but have other redeeming features like good eye colour + long PFL + undereye support.
It's also about appealing to averages. By normie standards, an eye area with almond shape and good colouring has way more appeal relative to a hunter eye area like De Poot. Sure, De Poot looks exotic and easily lands a job on the runway, but his extreme PCT + long PFL only have niche appeal in the sexual market. Nonetheless, it is a form of appeal and we can mire his aesthetics.
tl;dr You're right OP. Very few people in the world have "true" hunter eyes if we go by the stringent criteria above. However, hunter eyes don't necessarily equate to 99 percentile appeal. Having dimorphic eyes will likely give you an "exotic" eye area that is likely to be above average appeal. We can't doubt that. Do the best eye areas in the world have true hunter eyes? It's questionable and a complicated topic.
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