What's the perfect chin width ratio for the face?

[CopeAndRope]

When is a chin too wide for the face?

 

[FatJattMofo]

never.

 

[CopeAndRope]

never.

This is not too wide for you?

 

[FatJattMofo]

This is not too wide for you?
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his mouth is narrow for his chin

if he didnt have that mouth be narrow for his chin and his fucking bald ass head failo it would look alright

this is an example of why tbh

 

[Deleted member 2661]

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this is an example of why tbh

Fuark so much for muh environment copers

 

[FatJattMofo]

Fuark so much for muh environment copers

what?
thats a farmer

 

[TsarTsar444]

his mouth is narrow for his chin

if he didnt have that mouth be narrow for his chin and his fucking bald ass head failo it would look alright


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this is an example of why tbh

Looking at this gigaslayer curries make me become really blackpilled about how much curries are raped by their pheno. Brutal ethnicitypill

 

[FatJattMofo]

Looking at this gigaslayer curries make me become really blackpilled about how much curries are raped by their pheno. Brutal ethnicitypill

sad shit tbh. probably millions of south Indian uberchads who are invisible to the rest of the world because of pitch black skin.
altought its not all Indians who are cursed with such fates of coloring*

 

[Deleted member 2227]

Looks very good to me

 

[FatJattMofo]

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Looks very good to me

 

[Deleted member 2227]

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WTF

 

[FatJattMofo]

WTF

average native american in 2000 bc

 

[Deleted member 2227]

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average native american in 2000 bc

Well they have big bones, but not like this, also, Native Americans don't have short midfaces, but yes, SLAYER

 

[FatJattMofo]

Well they have big bones, but not like this, also, Native Americans don't have short midfaces, but yes, SLAYER

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tbh this fucking uber predator beast human

doesnt look too far off from that native american I posted with the massive chin.

yea no one has a midface that short his fwhr is like 10 or some shit.


you know what? that kinda midface could be possible
most were slayers

 

[CopeAndRope]

I presume you are worried about MSDO making your chin too wide?

Yup. I'm worried that with the slow expansion I will not realize how wide it will become until it's too late.

 

[Darkstrand]

Yup. I'm worried that with the slow expansion I will not realize how wide it will become until it's too late.

Do you really think it's healthy (or even possible) to have your mandible split for 1 year?

 

[Chintuck22]

Well they have big bones, but not like this, also, Native Americans don't have short midfaces, but yes, SLAYER

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Yet they had horrible eye area

 

[CopeAndRope]

Do you really think it's healthy (or even possible) to have your mandible split for 1 year?

You can't keep the mandible split for 1 year because unlike a split suture, here we have a full bone cut that has to be expanded 0.5mm every 12 hours to not let it close completely, depending on the type of msdo do you realize that by the end of the year you'll have a chin 36.5 cm wide.

The mse is different, you can expand up to 12mm and keep it screwed in so you can keep pulling it forward.

 

[FatJattMofo]

AWARE ME ON THIS? CAN I M AKE MY CH IN WIDER?

 

[CopeAndRope]

AWARE ME ON THIS? CAN I M AKE MY CH IN WIDER?

With this

 

[FatJattMofo]

With this

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explain?

 

[Dogs]

Your chin should ideally be wider than your bideltoid

 

[CopeAndRope]

explain?

You cut your mandible, you install an MSDO, expand 0.5mm every 12 hours, stop when you're happy, use braces to bring teeth back in the position where there's the new bone.

 

[FatJattMofo]

You cut your mandible, you install an MSDO, expand 0.5mm every 12 hours, stop when you're happy, use braces to bring teeth back in the position where there's the new bone.

You cut your mandible, you install an MSDO, expand 0.5mm every 12 hours, stop when you're happy, use braces to bring teeth back in the position where there's the new bone.

is there any results of this?

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are there any downsides to this?

would you need to use this in turn with mse ?

 

[Pietrosiek]

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Looks very good to me

it's over. Sometimes i just can't fucking belive that so much bonemass is even possible on human

 

[CopeAndRope]

is there any results of this?

,

are there any downsides to this?

would you need to use this in turn with mse ?

Now downsides apart from the incredible pain of the first week of your mandible being cut in 2.
If you expand your lower jaw, you need to expand your upper jaw as well. Unless you prefer a transverse underbite.

 

[FatJattMofo]

Now downsides apart from the incredible pain of the first week of your mandible being cut in 2.
If you expand your lower jaw, you need to expand your upper jaw as well. Unless you prefer a transverse underbite.

fucking hell. if I truly do expand my palate to 55+ by mewing would It be adisable to do this?

 

[CopeAndRope]

fucking hell. if I truly do expand my palate to 55+ by mewing would It be adisable to do this?

If you have a transverse overbite yes. Personally I think that expanding the palate by mewing alone is cope, mse is the real deal.

 

[FatJattMofo]

If you have a transverse overbite yes. Personally I think that expanding the palate by mewing alone is cope, mse is the real deal.

alright. its working so far

 

[chadpreetinthemaking]

Now downsides apart from the incredible pain of the first week of your mandible being cut in 2.
If you expand your lower jaw, you need to expand your upper jaw as well. Unless you prefer a transverse underbite.

You seem to be high IQ, would a traditional palate expander work on an 18 year old, or do I need to get SARPE/SARME?

 

[CopeAndRope]

You seem to be high IQ, would a traditional palate expander work on an 18 year old, or do I need to get SARPE/SARME?

It depends on what you want to achieve. If you want to only reshape the alveolar bridge, you can use a traditional tooth-anchored expander. If you want deep skeletal expansion involving the maxilla and indirectly the surrounding bones, go for the mse.

 

[chadpreetinthemaking]

It depends on what you want to achieve. If you want to only reshape the alveolar bridge, you can use a traditional tooth-anchored expander. If you want deep skeletal expansion involving the maxilla and indirectly the surrounding bones, go for the mse.

I guess ill go for the MSE then lol, see the thing is my maxilla is forward grown, but my palate is narrow for my face because ive got an above average bizygomatic. And on top of that ive got a 10mm overbite as well, what would you say I should do?

 

[her]

It depends on what you want to achieve. If you want to only reshape the alveolar bridge, you can use a traditional tooth-anchored expander. If you want deep skeletal expansion involving the maxilla and indirectly the surrounding bones, go for the mse.

What would be the total cost of MSE + FP (yours) + MSDO?

 

[CopeAndRope]

I guess ill go for the MSE then lol, see the thing is my maxilla is forward grown, but my palate is narrow for my face because ive got an above average bizygomatic. And on top of that ive got a 10mm overbite as well, what would you say I should do?

I think you should go to a doctor and hear his advice first. I'm just a random guy on the internet lol. Anyway, probably he'll offer you straight away surgery, that fucker. Just say, you heard MSE+MSDO can have the same results if not better.

What would be the total cost of MSE + FP (yours) + MSDO?

It depends on the location. And keep in mind that you'll need braces too.

 

[chadpreetinthemaking]

I think you should go to a doctor and hear his advice first. I'm just a random guy on the internet lol. Anyway, probably he'll offer you straight away surgery, that fucker. Just say, you heard MSE+MSDO can have the same results if not better.

It depends on the location. And keep in mind that you'll need braces too.

Does MSDO move the lower jaw forward?

 

[CopeAndRope]

Does MSDO move the lower jaw forward?

No, only laterally. You need bsso for that.

 

[her]

No, only laterally. You need bsso for that.

Let me have this clear, MSE expands the maxilla laterally, FP moves the maxilla forwards and upwards (?), MSDO expands the lower jaw laterally and BSSO moves the lower jaw forward?

 

[CopeAndRope]

Let me have this clear, MSE expands the maxilla laterally, FP moves the maxilla forwards and upwards (?), MSDO expands the lower jaw laterally and BSSO moves the lower jaw forward?

Yup

 

[her]

Yup

damn, combine them all and you have a fucking lefort 4

 

[CopeAndRope]

damn, combine them all and you have a fucking lefort 4

Exactly, for a lower cost, safer, and more natural results.

 

[Darkstrand]

You can't keep the mandible split for 1 year because unlike a split suture, here we have a full bone cut that has to be expanded 0.5mm every 12 hours to not let it close completely, depending on the type of msdo do you realize that by the end of the year you'll have a chin 36.5 cm wide.

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The mse is different, you can expand up to 12mm and keep it screwed in so you can keep pulling it forward.

But when you expand the mandible in just 2 weeks wouldn't you run into condiles problems? Or should you go with MSE as far as possible (considering you might be able to expand 5-6 mm before problems with lateral over bite) and than start MSDO?

 

[chadpreetinthemaking]

Exactly, for a lower cost, safer, and more natural results.

IMDO™ | For Adults

IMDO™ is a revolutionary way to fix a small jaw and big overbite, with better outcomes and in less time than traditional orthodontics.

www.profilosurgical.com.au

Watchu think about this instead of MSDO plus BSSO? like an alternative basically.

 

[CopeAndRope]

IMDO™ | For Adults

IMDO™ is a revolutionary way to fix a small jaw and big overbite, with better outcomes and in less time than traditional orthodontics.

www.profilosurgical.com.au

Watchu think about this instead of MSDO plus BSSO? like an alternative basically.

That's another form of distraction osteogenesis that can substitute bsso, but not msdo.

But when you expand the mandible in just 2 weeks wouldn't you run into condiles problems? Or should you go with MSE as far as possible (considering you might be able to expand 5-6 mm before problems with lateral over bite) and than start MSDO?

In the studies I read, there was no problem with the condyles. The bone displacement gradually diminishes getting away from the split.

 

[Usum]

Well they have big bones, but not like this, also, Native Americans don't have short midfaces, but yes, SLAYER

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It's not by mere chance they have LONG HAIRS.
Samson knows better.

 

[Deleted member 3990]

With this

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enjoy tmj

you would have to cut ramus loose also then

 

[CopeAndRope]

enjoy tmj

you would have to cut ramus loose also then

I would not, even with 10mm expansion.

 

[Deleted member 3990]

I would not, even with 10mm expansion.

MSDO is a shit surgery

otherwise every surgeon would do it, because narrow jaw is an epidemic nowadays


It is unstable, difficult, gives TMJ, and results still are unfeasible

 

[CopeAndRope]

MSDO is a shit surgery
It is unstable, difficult, gives TMJ, and results still are unfeasible

Why you're so full of shit @Dr Shekelberg ?

Long-term skeletal and dental stability of mandibular symphyseal distraction osteogenesis with a hybrid distractor - PubMed

The results indicate that the expansion of the mandibular arch with MSDO and conventional orthodontic mechanics produces no statistically significant transverse changes from posttreatment to long-term follow-up. The risks of using a surgical procedure and MSDO to achieve additional expansion...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

There were no significant changes in bicondylar, bigonial, and biantigonial widths. At the long-term follow-up, there were no significant changes in the interdental or skeletal measurements

The results indicate that the expansion of the mandibular arch with MSDO and conventional orthodontic mechanics produces no statistically significant transverse changes from posttreatment to long-term follow-up.

 

[Deleted member 3990]

Why you're so full of shit @Dr Shekelberg ?

Long-term skeletal and dental stability of mandibular symphyseal distraction osteogenesis with a hybrid distractor - PubMed

The results indicate that the expansion of the mandibular arch with MSDO and conventional orthodontic mechanics produces no statistically significant transverse changes from posttreatment to long-term follow-up. The risks of using a surgical procedure and MSDO to achieve additional expansion...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

I see

by any means I am not against expanding lower jaw, because mine is narrow too

But I heard a few shit stories about MSDO and so didnt even bother to look into it

But I will do now

Next problem would be relapse, because there are not enough teeth (in my case)

ever heard of uprighting wisdom teeth?

 

[OOGABOOGA]

Let me have this clear, MSE expands the maxilla laterally, FP moves the maxilla forwards and upwards (?), MSDO expands the lower jaw laterally and BSSO moves the lower jaw forward?

@CopeAndRope bringing the heat again! My upper palate and chin are both narrow af. If I can I might even do 2 rounds of mse over a year and msdo after to make up for all the expansion. Gonna shoot for like 2 cm on both. I will make it my niggas