WHY THE FUCK DO FAT GUYS RESEARCH AND TRY TO BOOK SURGERIRS BEFORE BEING LEAN FIRST

[Zyros]

No wonder surgeons tell you to fuck off. Weight loss can change you dramatically to the point of not looking like the same person. Many surgeries you are considering are probably not needed. I myself thought I needed cheekbone augmentation for my cheekbones to ever be visible before losing weight.

 

[Mogger]

so crazy bro

 

[Kingkellz]

No wonder surgeons tell you to fuck off. Weight loss can change you dramatically to the point of not looking like the same person. Many surgeries you are considering are probably not needed. I myself thought I needed cheekbone augmentation for my cheekbones to ever be visible before losing weight.

Very true

But this post/thread has been made a million times everywhere.
Basic psl knowledge at this point.

 

[Zyros]

Very true

But this post/thread has been made a million times everywhere.
Basic psl knowledge at this point.

yea im sorry to be redundant but grinds my gears seeing this still happen in this year.

 

[zeno]

im already 60kg at 178cm, i look like a drug addict..and the joke is i got bellyfat that looks like shit because of my pectus excavatum, but besides that im skinny everywhere..over for me

 

[needsolution]

im already 60kg at 178cm, i look like a drug addict..and the joke is i got bellyfat that looks like shit because of my pectus excavatum, but besides that im skinny everywhere..over for me

Im 44kg at 172cm bro

 

[Deleted member 3259]

You are literally an idiot. Making this thread based of what I wrote even though I fucking added that it literally didnt even have anything to do with my weight which they said, and even if you think they were nice, do you think they would say if I asked them: Does it matter if I lose weight? And they say that it still wont make a difference?

That is literally retarded from your end then. Plus, Eppley and Yaremchuk are blackpilled anyways, at least Eppley, so he would have been honest even if I hadn't brought it up.

 

[Deleted member 2933]

no one here books surgeries at all

 

[ChaddeusPeuterschmit]

Being fat literally makes you low t

 

[Deleted member 3259]

im already 60kg at 178cm, i look like a drug addict..and the joke is i got bellyfat that looks like shit because of my pectus excavatum, but besides that im skinny everywhere..over for me

I am 86-87kg and 178cm jfl

 

[ZyzzReincarnate]

u should research clavicle bone lengthening

 

[Deleted member 2632]

People would rather pay for expensive, invasive surgeries that takes 3 months to recover from, than stop eating donughts and hit the treadmill for 3 months

 

[SayNoToRotting]

no one here books surgeries at all

based.

 

[Deleted member 1476]

@blackoutwhitein

 

[Golden Glass]

You are literally an idiot. Making this thread based of what I wrote even though I fucking added that it literally didnt even have anything to do with my weight which they said, and even if you think they were nice, do you think they would say if I asked them: Does it matter if I lose weight? And they say that it still wont make a difference?

That is literally retarded from your end then. Plus, Eppley and Yaremchuk are blackpilled anyways, at least Eppley, so he would have been honest even if I hadn't brought it up.

This is silly tbh. You can have knowledgeable orthognathic or maxillofacial surgeons disagree all the time about surgery itself. If you go to Zarrinbal, a world class facial surgeon, he will give you a different plan with different movements than if you go to Gunson, another world class facial surgeon.

Knowing this, to take what a surgeon would have to say about skin thickness (something they don’t even specialize in) on an obese individual as gospel, is silly.

 

[Deleted member 3259]

This is silly tbh. You can have knowledgeable orthognathic or maxillofacial surgeons disagree all the time about surgery itself. If you go to Zarrinbal, a world class facial surgeon, he will give you a different plan with different movements than if you go to Gunson, another world class facial surgeon.

Knowing this, to take what a surgeon would have to say about skin thickness (something they don’t even specialize in) on an obese individual as gospel, is silly.

I am not obese again so stop mentioning that. Even though they are not specialized in skin type, they know what they are talking about after being experts in their fields. So they know what works and what dont.

 

[Golden Glass]

I am not obese again so stop mentioning that. Even though they are not specialized in skin type, they know what they are talking about after being experts in their fields. So they know what works and what dont.

You’re obese man. I’ve already laid out why. If you think you aren’t. Show where the math is wrong.

 

[Zyros]

I am not obese again so stop mentioning that. Even though they are not specialized in skin type, they know what they are talking about after being experts in their fields. So they know what works and what dont.

why you dont bother losing weight and see what your REAL self looks like when you have nothing to lose but putting bit of effort in diet, is beyond me

 

[Deleted member 3259]

You’re obese man. I’ve already laid out why. If you think you aren’t. Show where the math is wrong.

Ok.

Bmi is not accurate when it comes to people that go to the gym, because it doesnt count for muscle mass or anything. But if you haven't been to the gym a day in your life, so you have no muscle mass, then it's accurate to use, for people such as me, so it's accurate when they say I am at the high end of healthy, leaning more towards tiny bit overweight.

why you dont bother losing weight and see what your REAL self looks like when you have nothing to lose but putting bit of effort in diet, is beyond me

I literally will. I have spoken about it now. I got gym program and all ready, people are just throwing a fit for no reason lol.

 

[Zyros]

Ok.

Bmi is not accurate when it comes to people that go to the gym, because it doesnt count for muscle mass or anything. But if you haven't been to the gym a day in your life, so you have no muscle mass, then it's accurate to use, for people such as me, so it's accurate when they say I am at the high end of healthy, leaning more towards tiny bit overweight.


I literally will. I have spoken about it now. I got gym program and all ready, people are just throwing a fit for no reason lol.

throw also a low carb low salt diet in addition to gym. Diet is way more powrful (I leaned just via diet no gym actually)

 

[Deleted member 3259]

throw also a low carb low salt diet in addition to gym. Diet is way more powrful (I leaned just via diet no gym actually)

Then you become skinnyfat

 

[Zyros]

Then you become skinnyfat

what? low carb low salt is precisy to avoid being skinnyfat lmao.

 

[Deleted member 3259]

what? low carb low salt is precisy to avoid being skinnyfat lmao.

You need resistance training anyway

 

[Zyros]

You need resistance training anyway

I became true lean without any training. resistance training speeds it up but diet alone does the job already

 

[Peachy]

Losing weight will make my jaw even narrower jfl

 

[Golden Glass]

Bmi is not accurate when it comes to people that go to the gym, because it doesnt count for muscle mass or anything. But if you haven't been to the gym a day in your life, so you have no muscle mass, then it's accurate to use, for people such as me, so it's accurate when they say I am at the high end of healthy, leaning more towards tiny bit overweight.

1. You’re 5’10 190 pounds, with no muscle.

2. I’m 5’11 and at my leanest I got to 135 pounds, and was about 8-10% bodyfat (maybe less).

3. So even if we crazily assume that at ZERO percent bodyfat, you would be at 140 pounds...
this would mean you have 50 pounds of pure fat in your body (again, realistically, you have more).

4. Do the Math:
50/190=26.3%

Obesity starts at 25%.

5. And this is crazily assuming that at 0% body You’d be at 140 pounds, which is impossible. So if you wanted to be even more accurate, your bodyfat percentage is likely closer to 28-31%.

Conclusion: You’re Obese. Period

 

[Zyros]

Losing weight will make my jaw even narrower jfl

weight loss doesnt kill masseters, they are the only permanent muscle

 

[Deleted member 3259]

1. You’re 5’10 190 pounds, with no muscle.

2. I’m 5’11 and at my leanest I got to 135 pounds, and was about 8-10% bodyfat (maybe less).

3. So even if we crazily assume that at ZERO percent bodyfat, you would be at 140 pounds...
this would mean you have 50 pounds of pure fat in your body (again, realistically, you have more).

4. Do the Math:
50/190=26.3%

Obesity starts at 25%.

5. And this is crazily assuming that at 0% body You’d be at 140 pounds, which is impossible. So if you wanted to be even more accurate, your bodyfat percentage is likely closer to 28-31%.

Conclusion: You’re Obese. Period

Its an agree to disagree type of thing but sure, not gonna hold you to it. I guess both the army body fat thingy which most people say is accurate, has me at 18% bodyfat, and bmi thing has me at sllightly over healthy high end

 

[GoMadAndSTFU]

Im 180cm near 75kg with like 15% of bodyfat. Should i go down to see my poetential ?

 

[Zyros]

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Im 180cm near 75kg with like 15% of bodyfat. Should i go down to see my poetential ?

why is this still even a question at this day

 

[Golden Glass]

Its an agree to disagree type of thing but sure, not gonna hold you to it. I guess both the army body fat thingy which most people say is accurate, has me at 18% bodyfat, and bmi thing has me at sllightly over healthy high end

I’m sorry man, I just hate the obesity delusion.
when I was at 20%, I swore I was at less, until I realized just how low my lean body mass is. Again, at 5’11, I was at 135. So you are likely in the high 20% range.

I stress, you should lean down to sub 10% before taking anything a surgeon tells you about your skin thickness as gospel.

 

[GoMadAndSTFU]

why is this still even a question at this day

So what should i do , i have some muscles and i dont want to loose size in shirt ...

 

[Zyros]

So what should i do , i have some muscles and i dont want to loose size in shirt ...

I cant give advice on that, I have thin frame and never had highvmuscle volume so I didnt care for muscle size loss.

 

[Deleted member 3259]

I’m sorry man, I just hate the obesity delusion.
when I was at 20%, I swore I was at less, until I realized just how low my lean body mass is. Again, at 5’11, I was at 135. So you are likely in the high 20% range.

I stress, you should lean down to sub 10% before taking anything a surgeon tells you about your skin thickness as gospel.

I will start my leanmaxxing in the coming days.

 

[Deleted member 4612]

u should research clavicle bone lengthening

yeah I was thinking of this any good links?

 

[RecessedPrettyboy]

Wtf is wrong with me Im 180cm and 55kg but I have literally no facial definition lol

Ive also gone down to 52kg for no difference to be seen either jfl

 

[GoMadAndSTFU]

Wtf is wrong with me Im 180cm and 55kg but I have literally no facial definition lol

Its over.bro , surgery.

 

[RecessedPrettyboy]

Its over.bro , surgery.

Yea I think its my buccal fat pads. Im getting buccal fat removal in 12 days so hopefully thats it

 

[Golden Glass]

Yea I think its my buccal fat pads. Im getting buccal fat removal in 12 days so hopefully thats it

Please be careful with that. Plenty of men regret it afterwards because it can leave your cheeks with lines that just look like weird scars.

 

[GoMadAndSTFU]

Yea I think its my buccal fat pads. Im getting buccal fat removal in 12 days so hopefully thats it

Good luck bro , you will make it.

 

[RecessedPrettyboy]

Please be careful with that. Plenty of men regret it afterwards because it can leave your cheeks with lines that just look like weird scars.

How so? Ive seen pretty good results from the web

 

[puppymaxer]

im like 22% bf, do u think cutting will actually help considering i have a small chin and narrow mouth, I still feel like it would not make significant differnece

 

[Golden Glass]

How so? Ive seen pretty good results from the web

Here’s one pretty jarring account of a bad bucal fat removal:

“I cannot emphasize how much you should NEVER EVER EVER get this procedure. My doctor promised me it would look great. Several people and docs warned against it. Now 9 months after surgery looks like a someone took an ice cream scoop and scooped out a giant chunk of flesh from the side of my face. Does not look aesthetic, "chiselled" or any such thing. LOOKS DEFORMED.

I'll be checking out Dr. Steven Cohen in California because he seems to know how to rejuvenate the area with fat transfer. Problem is, BUCCAL FAT PAD is not like just some fat in your face. It's a actually more like a little muscle or membrane of tissue and once removed it's actually gone and cannot be replaced. You can't just gain fat and it will fill out again. The best you can do is approximate its replenishment by injecting fat back into that area, but it will never be the same shape or density as the tissue that was excised.”

http://jawsurgeryforums.com/index.php/topic,6595.0.html?PHPSESSID=83976b5855e2c62e189a92b63d3aa5b2

im like 22% bf, do u think cutting will actually help considering i have a small chin and narrow mouth, I still feel like it would not make significant differnece

Yes. Even if only for your health, so your estrogen isn’t so high, which at your age can fuck up your growth. 22% is 3% away from clinically obese.

 

[Hades]

Indeed. Fatcels need to get off their asses and lose some fat cells!

 

[puppymaxer]

Here’s one pretty jarring account of a bad bucal fat removal:

“I cannot emphasize how much you should NEVER EVER EVER get this procedure. My doctor promised me it would look great. Several people and docs warned against it. Now 9 months after surgery looks like a someone took an ice cream scoop and scooped out a giant chunk of flesh from the side of my face. Does not look aesthetic, "chiselled" or any such thing. LOOKS DEFORMED.

I'll be checking out Dr. Steven Cohen in California because he seems to know how to rejuvenate the area with fat transfer. Problem is, BUCCAL FAT PAD is not like just some fat in your face. It's a actually more like a little muscle or membrane of tissue and once removed it's actually gone and cannot be replaced. You can't just gain fat and it will fill out again. The best you can do is approximate its replenishment by injecting fat back into that area, but it will never be the same shape or density as the tissue that was excised.”

http://jawsurgeryforums.com/index.php/topic,6595.0.html?PHPSESSID=83976b5855e2c62e189a92b63d3aa5b2

Yes. Even if only for your health, so your estrogen isn’t so high, which at your age can fuck up your growth. 22% is 3% away from clinically obese.

fuck my health im fine i just dont think in terms of attractiveness it will help much

 

[Gosick]

Here’s one pretty jarring account of a bad bucal fat removal:

“I cannot emphasize how much you should NEVER EVER EVER get this procedure. My doctor promised me it would look great. Several people and docs warned against it. Now 9 months after surgery looks like a someone took an ice cream scoop and scooped out a giant chunk of flesh from the side of my face. Does not look aesthetic, "chiselled" or any such thing. LOOKS DEFORMED.

I'll be checking out Dr. Steven Cohen in California because he seems to know how to rejuvenate the area with fat transfer. Problem is, BUCCAL FAT PAD is not like just some fat in your face. It's a actually more like a little muscle or membrane of tissue and once removed it's actually gone and cannot be replaced. You can't just gain fat and it will fill out again. The best you can do is approximate its replenishment by injecting fat back into that area, but it will never be the same shape or density as the tissue that was excised.”

http://jawsurgeryforums.com/index.php/topic,6595.0.html?PHPSESSID=83976b5855e2c62e189a92b63d3aa5b2

Yes. Even if only for your health, so your estrogen isn’t so high, which at your age can fuck up your growth. 22% is 3% away from clinically obese.

usually buccal fat removal is fine if you have cheekbone support

that guy was prolly a la boneless cuck why is his face looks melted afterwards

 

[ArabIncel]

I’m sorry man, I just hate the obesity delusion.
when I was at 20%, I swore I was at less, until I realized just how low my lean body mass is. Again, at 5’11, I was at 135. So you are likely in the high 20% range.

I stress, you should lean down to sub 10% before taking anything a surgeon tells you about your skin thickness as gospel.

what body fat percentage would you say I am? I never had it measured. Always estimated it to be 18-20% range. My body weight currently is 147-148 pounds and height is 5’8.5”. In these pics my stomach might be slightly more bloated than normal due to eating (not sure though).

 

[puppymaxer]

what body fat percentage would you say I am? I never had it measured. Always estimated it to be 18-20% range. My body weight currently is 147-148 pounds and height is 5’8.5”. In these pics my stomach might be slightly more bloated than normal due to eating (not sure though).

20%

 

[Golden Glass]

what body fat percentage would you say I am? I never had it measured. Always estimated it to be 18-20% range. My body weight currently is 147-148 pounds and height is 5’8.5”. In these pics my stomach might be slightly more bloated than normal due to eating (not sure though).

How much muscle do you think you have)

 

[ArabIncel]

How much muscle do you think you have)

I have absolutely no idea lol. I started working out for the first time in 21 years in September of last year.