Debunking Myths About How Women View Male Attractiveness (With Studies)

[BucketCrab]

What follows is a series of studies meant to inequivocably prove that the Male Gaze view of what is attractive to women is completely misguided.
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"Bodybuilder body is the most attractive"

Rebuttal: Females like muscles, especially V-tapered physiques with wide shoulders and narrow hips, but men WILDLY overestimate the amount of muscle they find attractive. In developed countries of the 21st century, female judge high genetic quality as more important than protection"

​

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/293162497_The_preferred_male_body_shapes_of_college_men_and_women

​

Three purported cues to perceived male physical attractiveness are the waist-to-chest ratio (WCR), body mass index (BMI) and the waist-to-hip ratio (WHR).​

Ninety-five female participants from Britain and Malaysia were asked to rate a set of images of real men with known WCR, BMI and WHR. The results showed clear differences along a gradient of socio-economic development.​

In the rural setting, BMI was the primary predictor of attractiveness, with WCR playing a more minor role and WHR not reaching significance. In general, urban participants were more reliant on body shape and chose a relatively slim figure with an ‘inverted triangle’ shape.​

​

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1740144505000562

​

Frederick Fessler and Haselton found that men portrayed in magazines targeted at male audiences are more muscular than men portrayed in magazines targeted at women.​

Misperceptions of opposite-sex preferences exist in young men (...) men tend to overestimate the muscularity of male bodies that women prefer.​

​

https://bpspsychub.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/bjop.12451

​

Results showed that on average both men and women wanted to have less body fat and more muscularity than they perceived that they had. Men showed (a desire for) exaggerated thinness and muscularity compared to female preferences.​

​

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/00050067.2022.2033951

​

What is the ideal body size and shape that we want for ourselves and our partners? What are the important physical features in this ideal? And do both genders agree on what is an attractive body? To answer these questions we used a 3D interactive software system which allows our participants to produce a photorealistic, virtual male or female body.​

Figure B indicates the male body perceived as ideal by female participants.​

What is an attractive body? Using an interactive 3D program to create the ideal body for you and your partner - PubMed

What is the ideal body size and shape that we want for ourselves and our partners? What are the important physical features in this ideal? And do both genders agree on what is an attractive body? To answer these questions we used a 3D interactive software system which allows our participants to...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

___________________________________________________________________________________________________________

"The more masculine you look, the more attractive you are"

Rebuttal: Masculine facial features are not as polarized as most male gaze copers believe; pronounced eyebrows, jawline and cheekbones are enough to qualify a face as masculine, and plenty of prettyboys show these features. Still, average levels of masculinity are preferred, leaning towards feminine.

Some research has shown that women do prefer men with masculine compared to feminine facial features.​

Note: these are the masculine facial features considered in the study: pronounced eyebrows, enhanced cheekbones, elongated jawline.​

Other studies have not found support for women’s preferences for facial masculinity.​

Further, research has shown that there are slight preferences for facial femininity in men...​

...women preferred and viewed longer (i.e., increased visual attention) feminine compared to masculine faces, suggesting that cognitive processes may be involved in driving the expression of mate preferences.​

​

Sex Differences in Physical Attractiveness

This chapter provides an overview of the literature on the sex differences in physical attractiveness, and how it influences mate choice. More specifically, it investigates evolutionary perspectives on men and women’s preferences for physical traits, such as ideal breast features in women, and...

www.intechopen.com

​

All women preferred the faces with average levels of masculinity.​

​

Sociosexuality in women and preference for facial masculinization and somatotype in men - PubMed

Sociosexual orientation reflects individual differences in openness to short-term sexual relationships. We predicted that women with less restricted sociosexuality would be differentially attracted to highly masculinized male faces and bodies. In 2 studies, we investigated preference for male...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

​

___________________________________________________________________________________________________________

"Body hair and facial hair increase sex appeal"

Rebuttal: Relatively few studies prove young females prefer body hair, while most recent studies, especially those concerned with the preferences of fertile-age women, prove hairlessness is considered ideal.

​

Women rated figures with no or little trunk hair as most attractive.​

​

Studies of human physique and sexual attractiveness: sexual preferences of men and women in China - PubMed

Men and women at Northwest University (n = 631), Xi'an, China, were asked to rate the attractiveness of male or female figures manipulated to vary somatotype, waist-to-hip ratio (WHR), secondary sexual traits, and other features. In study 1, women rated the average masculine somatotype as most...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

​

...six pictures of the same male body with different amounts of visible body hair and to indicate which body was most sexually attractive to themselves, to most men, and to most women. Both men and women chose a relatively hairless male body as the most sexually attractive. Women, however, thought men would choose a hairier body than men actually did. Most of the men reduced or removed body hair, especially from the pubic area.​

...men and women had similar attitudes toward men's body hair, with both hair reduction and hair retention being socially acceptable. Men's body depilation, while still optional, may be becoming normative.​

​

Men's body depilation: an exploratory study of United States college students' preferences, attitudes, and practices - PubMed

Young men in Western cultures frequently engage in body depilation practices, but little is known regarding how such bodies are perceived. This exploratory study asked United States college students (N=238) to view six pictures of the same male body with different amounts of visible body hair...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

​

...amount and distribution of masculine trunk hair (chest and abdominal) was altered progressively in a series of front-posed male figures. In both countries, the image lacking any trunk hair was rated as the most attractive, with a steady decline in attractiveness as hirsutism became more pronounced. ​

​

Human physique and sexual attractiveness in men and women: a New Zealand-U.S. comparative study - PubMed

Men and women living in New Zealand and California completed five studies regarding human physique and sexual attractiveness. In Studies 1-3, women rated images of male stimuli and, in Studies 4-5, men rated female stimuli. In Study 1, women in both countries rated mesomorphic (muscular) and...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

​

Men with body hair were less attractive than when clean shaven...​

​

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/281139201

​

The ectoparasite avoidance hypothesis proposes one reason why hairless men may be considered more attractive. Hairless men may be less susceptible to ectoparasites, which may serve as a cue that they are healthy and not transmitting unwanted parasites.​

​

Sex Differences in Physical Attractiveness

This chapter provides an overview of the literature on the sex differences in physical attractiveness, and how it influences mate choice. More specifically, it investigates evolutionary perspectives on men and women’s preferences for physical traits, such as ideal breast features in women, and...

www.intechopen.com

​

Facial hair: Facial hair is a different matter, as a stubble was consistently proven as being considered the most attractive - however, it should be duly noted that facial hair has the ability to cover unattractive lower thirds, and since most males don't have good lower thirds, they will always be perceived as more attractive when it is covered: in short, stubble is considered more attractive not because stubble is more attractive per se but rather because it hides a facial defect, resulting in higher perceived attractiveness.

Still, differences in female preferences are not nearly as polarized as most male gaze copers would like to think:

Among the female respondents, 57.19% indicated a preference for men with facial hair, and 42.81% preferred clean-shaven faces.​

​

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/1474704920961728

​

Women with partners that were clean-shaven judged clean-shaven faces as most attractive, whereas women with partners with heavy stubble or full beards judged heavy stubble as most attractive.​

​

Do women’s preferences for men’s facial hair change with reproductive status?

Abstract. Women’s preferences for masculine traits are reported to be greater among young reproductively capable women, particularly just prior to ovulation, th

academic.oup.com

​

​

And less-fertile, older women are generally the ones that find facial hair most attractive:

Postmenopausal women gave higher scores for all degrees of facial hair, including full beards, than premenopausal and pregnant women.

Do women’s preferences for men’s facial hair change with reproductive status?

Abstract. Women’s preferences for masculine traits are reported to be greater among young reproductively capable women, particularly just prior to ovulation, th

academic.oup.com

​

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"Male gaze appeal mogs in short term relationships"

Rebuttal: It's not that male gaze appeal is superior to female gaze appeal, it's just that STR are the only ones where women are willing to tolerate male gaze copers, so STR are the only realm in which they get most of their sexual success. This does not indicate female gaze appeal is inferior in STR than male gaze appeal. Moreover, although multiple studies show that masculinity is positively correlated with short-term relationships success over long-term relationships, the degree of masculinity necessary to reap those benefits is far lower than what most male-gaze obsessed people judge masculine enough"

...negative perceptions that facial masculinity may signal, such as increased dominance and dishonesty. Facial masculinity can also be associated with lower paternal investment, aggressiveness, and being perceived as threatening, which are characteristics that are not desirable in a long-term partnership.​

Sex Differences in Physical Attractiveness

This chapter provides an overview of the literature on the sex differences in physical attractiveness, and how it influences mate choice. More specifically, it investigates evolutionary perspectives on men and women’s preferences for physical traits, such as ideal breast features in women, and...

www.intechopen.com

​

Misperceptions of opposite-sex preferences exist in young men (...) men tend to overestimate the muscularity of male bodies that women prefer. Moreover, these misperceptions are more exaggerated for short-term relationships. (...) men misperceive that women would like more muscular men for short-term than for long-term relationships.​

https://bpspsychub.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/bjop.12451

​

Women rated physically attractive men as more likely to cheat or desert a long-term relationship, whereas men did not consider attractive women to be more likely to cheat. However, women showed no aversion to the idea of forming long-term relationships with attractive men. ​

Mate choice trade-offs and women's preference for physically attractive men - PubMed

Researchers studying human sexuality have repeatedly concluded that men place more emphasis on the physical attractiveness of potential mates than women do, particularly in long-term sexual relationships. Evolutionary theorists have suggested that this is the case because male mate value (the...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

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[Ultravisionary Bism]

Height by far is the epitome of male masculinity

Masculinity copers = thinking they will be gigachad by doing mind changing useless cope.

Tallfag with horse shaft = The real masculinity itself with their own original mindset.In terms of sexual success, they will just slay without thinking about masculinity because they are already masculine JFL.

 

[Deleted member 15854]

Height by far is the epitome of male masculinity

 

[Orc]

women don't know what they like asking them for their opinions is meaningless.

if you aren't getting laid or catching ioi's whatever you're doing isn't working.

 

[ascendedd]

again, a small stubble with good feminine features and good height (5'10+) will always mog. Its the middle ground between a female gaze and male gaze.

 

[LiteralCaucasian]

"Bodybuilder body is the most attractive"

Rebuttal: Females like muscles, especially V-tapered physiques with wide shoulders and narrow hips, but men WILDLY overestimate the amount of muscle they find attractive. In developed countries of the 21st century, female judge high genetic quality as more important than protection"

Thank you for this, Mr. Crab. I will now use this as a justification of my laziness.

 

[Deleted member 2268]

Height by far is the epitome of male masculinity

Masculinity copers = thinking they will be gigachad by doing mind changing useless cope.

Tallfag with horse shaft = The real masculinity itself with their own original mindset.In terms of sexual success, they will just slay without thinking about masculinity because they are already masculine JFL.

@softlysoftly Look at these faggots using studies when they have never even seen a vagina in their lives and have zero experience JFL

 

[Ultravisionary Bism]

@softlysoftly Look at these faggots using studies when they have never even seen a vagina in their lives and have zero experience JFL

Sorry bro i would rather doing PE than injecting tons of hormones for body muscle that if i do all of that, it will be equivalent of kicking ma ballz for millions of times.
I would rather dickmaxxxing and injecting DHT than gymaxxxing with shit ton of hormones that no different than a weaboo collecting their hentai comics to fap later JFL.

Penimaster and Several other pump >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Risky shit tons of Hormones injections paired with GYMAxxing

 

[Ultravisionary Bism]

@softlysoftly Look at these faggots using studies when they have never even seen a vagina in their lives and have zero experience JFL

Also i still love both of kidney more than gazillion of normie NPC.

 

[NegativeNorwood]

Excellent thread, agree with everything.

For visualization purposes:

Face in the middle (Att/Hth-LTM) mogs

Face on the right mogs.

Ideal physique for most women:

The sooner you male gaze copers accept it, the better your life will be.

 

[BucketCrab]

@softlysoftly Look at these faggots using studies when they have never even seen a vagina in their lives and have zero experience JFL

 

[Ultravisionary Bism]

@softlysoftly Look at these faggots using studies when they have never even seen a vagina in their lives and have zero experience JFL

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[Artemis]

Ok, from the article I understood one thing:

LOOKS PREFERENCES ARE CULTURAL

YES, you heard me right!

Literally, women now prefer "feminine men" and "shaved bodies"... May i ask: the fuck? Seriously, some egg-heads tried to justify this by PARASITES?

"Trust science bro"

In reality, IN NATURE, a hairless body IS A SIGN OF DISEASE! WTF. The ONLY reason women like hairless bodies is CULTURAL.

And the same goes for EVERYTHING. If not for the constant promotion of high-cheekbones, fag TikTok hair, etc. ALL THESE FEATURES would be irrelevant. There are literally a handful features which are rly culturally-independent, one of them is height.

"Muh science"

 

[LiteralCaucasian]

If not for the constant promotion of high-cheekbones

High cheekbones aren't creations of modern culture.

t. has some proper ones

 

[Artemis]

High cheekbones aren't creations of modern culture.

t. has some proper ones

They are.

High Cheekbone look preference is 100% CULTURAL PHENOMENON.

Or justify HOW are high cheekbones better than medium/low-set cheekbones? Just don't start that bullshit about "cavemen fought with fists, muh high cheekbone protected their eye"

 

[chasingaesthetics]

What follows is a series of studies meant to inequivocably prove that the Male Gaze view of what is attractive to women is completely misguided.
___________________________________________________________________________________________________________

"Bodybuilder body is the most attractive"

Rebuttal: Females like muscles, especially V-tapered physiques with wide shoulders and narrow hips, but men WILDLY overestimate the amount of muscle they find attractive. In developed countries of the 21st century, female judge high genetic quality as more important than protection"

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https://www.researchgate.net/publication/293162497_The_preferred_male_body_shapes_of_college_men_and_women

​

Three purported cues to perceived male physical attractiveness are the waist-to-chest ratio (WCR), body mass index (BMI) and the waist-to-hip ratio (WHR).​

Ninety-five female participants from Britain and Malaysia were asked to rate a set of images of real men with known WCR, BMI and WHR. The results showed clear differences along a gradient of socio-economic development.​

In the rural setting, BMI was the primary predictor of attractiveness, with WCR playing a more minor role and WHR not reaching significance. In general, urban participants were more reliant on body shape and chose a relatively slim figure with an ‘inverted triangle’ shape.​

​

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1740144505000562

​

Frederick Fessler and Haselton found that men portrayed in magazines targeted at male audiences are more muscular than men portrayed in magazines targeted at women.​

Misperceptions of opposite-sex preferences exist in young men (...) men tend to overestimate the muscularity of male bodies that women prefer.​

​

https://bpspsychub.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/bjop.12451

​

Results showed that on average both men and women wanted to have less body fat and more muscularity than they perceived that they had. Men showed (a desire for) exaggerated thinness and muscularity compared to female preferences.​

​

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/00050067.2022.2033951

​

What is the ideal body size and shape that we want for ourselves and our partners? What are the important physical features in this ideal? And do both genders agree on what is an attractive body? To answer these questions we used a 3D interactive software system which allows our participants to produce a photorealistic, virtual male or female body.​

View attachment 1954665​

Figure B indicates the male body perceived as ideal by female participants.​

What is an attractive body? Using an interactive 3D program to create the ideal body for you and your partner - PubMed

What is the ideal body size and shape that we want for ourselves and our partners? What are the important physical features in this ideal? And do both genders agree on what is an attractive body? To answer these questions we used a 3D interactive software system which allows our participants to...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

___________________________________________________________________________________________________________

"The more masculine you look, the more attractive you are"

Rebuttal: Masculine facial features are not as polarized as most male gaze copers believe; pronounced eyebrows, jawline and cheekbones are enough to qualify a face as masculine, and plenty of prettyboys show these features. Still, average levels of masculinity are preferred, leaning towards feminine.

Some research has shown that women do prefer men with masculine compared to feminine facial features.​

Note: these are the masculine facial features considered in the study: pronounced eyebrows, enhanced cheekbones, elongated jawline.​

Other studies have not found support for women’s preferences for facial masculinity.​

Further, research has shown that there are slight preferences for facial femininity in men...​

...women preferred and viewed longer (i.e., increased visual attention) feminine compared to masculine faces, suggesting that cognitive processes may be involved in driving the expression of mate preferences.​

​

Sex Differences in Physical Attractiveness

This chapter provides an overview of the literature on the sex differences in physical attractiveness, and how it influences mate choice. More specifically, it investigates evolutionary perspectives on men and women’s preferences for physical traits, such as ideal breast features in women, and...

www.intechopen.com

​

All women preferred the faces with average levels of masculinity.​

​

Sociosexuality in women and preference for facial masculinization and somatotype in men - PubMed

Sociosexual orientation reflects individual differences in openness to short-term sexual relationships. We predicted that women with less restricted sociosexuality would be differentially attracted to highly masculinized male faces and bodies. In 2 studies, we investigated preference for male...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

​

___________________________________________________________________________________________________________

"Body hair and facial hair increase sex appeal"

Rebuttal: Relatively few studies prove young females prefer body hair, while most recent studies, especially those concerned with the preferences of fertile-age women, prove hairlessness is considered ideal.

​

Women rated figures with no or little trunk hair as most attractive.​

​

Studies of human physique and sexual attractiveness: sexual preferences of men and women in China - PubMed

Men and women at Northwest University (n = 631), Xi'an, China, were asked to rate the attractiveness of male or female figures manipulated to vary somatotype, waist-to-hip ratio (WHR), secondary sexual traits, and other features. In study 1, women rated the average masculine somatotype as most...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

​

...six pictures of the same male body with different amounts of visible body hair and to indicate which body was most sexually attractive to themselves, to most men, and to most women. Both men and women chose a relatively hairless male body as the most sexually attractive. Women, however, thought men would choose a hairier body than men actually did. Most of the men reduced or removed body hair, especially from the pubic area.​

...men and women had similar attitudes toward men's body hair, with both hair reduction and hair retention being socially acceptable. Men's body depilation, while still optional, may be becoming normative.​

​

Men's body depilation: an exploratory study of United States college students' preferences, attitudes, and practices - PubMed

Young men in Western cultures frequently engage in body depilation practices, but little is known regarding how such bodies are perceived. This exploratory study asked United States college students (N=238) to view six pictures of the same male body with different amounts of visible body hair...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

​

...amount and distribution of masculine trunk hair (chest and abdominal) was altered progressively in a series of front-posed male figures. In both countries, the image lacking any trunk hair was rated as the most attractive, with a steady decline in attractiveness as hirsutism became more pronounced. ​

​

Human physique and sexual attractiveness in men and women: a New Zealand-U.S. comparative study - PubMed

Men and women living in New Zealand and California completed five studies regarding human physique and sexual attractiveness. In Studies 1-3, women rated images of male stimuli and, in Studies 4-5, men rated female stimuli. In Study 1, women in both countries rated mesomorphic (muscular) and...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

​

Men with body hair were less attractive than when clean shaven...​

​

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/281139201

​

The ectoparasite avoidance hypothesis proposes one reason why hairless men may be considered more attractive. Hairless men may be less susceptible to ectoparasites, which may serve as a cue that they are healthy and not transmitting unwanted parasites.​

​

Sex Differences in Physical Attractiveness

This chapter provides an overview of the literature on the sex differences in physical attractiveness, and how it influences mate choice. More specifically, it investigates evolutionary perspectives on men and women’s preferences for physical traits, such as ideal breast features in women, and...

www.intechopen.com

​

Facial hair: Facial hair is a different matter, as a stubble was consistently proven as being considered the most attractive - however, it should be duly noted that facial hair has the ability to cover unattractive lower thirds, and since most males don't have good lower thirds, they will always be perceived as more attractive when it is covered: in short, stubble is considered more attractive not because stubble is more attractive per se but rather because it hides a facial defect, resulting in higher perceived attractiveness.

Still, differences in female preferences are not nearly as polarized as most male gaze copers would like to think:

Among the female respondents, 57.19% indicated a preference for men with facial hair, and 42.81% preferred clean-shaven faces.​

​

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/1474704920961728

​

Women with partners that were clean-shaven judged clean-shaven faces as most attractive, whereas women with partners with heavy stubble or full beards judged heavy stubble as most attractive.​

​

Do women’s preferences for men’s facial hair change with reproductive status?

Abstract. Women’s preferences for masculine traits are reported to be greater among young reproductively capable women, particularly just prior to ovulation, th

academic.oup.com

​

​

And less-fertile, older women are generally the ones that find facial hair most attractive:

Postmenopausal women gave higher scores for all degrees of facial hair, including full beards, than premenopausal and pregnant women.

Do women’s preferences for men’s facial hair change with reproductive status?

Abstract. Women’s preferences for masculine traits are reported to be greater among young reproductively capable women, particularly just prior to ovulation, th

academic.oup.com

​

___________________________________________________________________________________________________________​

"Male gaze appeal mogs in short term relationships"

Rebuttal: It's not that male gaze appeal is superior to female gaze appeal, it's just that STR are the only ones where women are willing to tolerate male gaze copers, so STR are the only realm in which they get most of their sexual success. This does not indicate female gaze appeal is inferior in STR than male gaze appeal. Moreover, although multiple studies show that masculinity is positively correlated with short-term relationships success over long-term relationships, the degree of masculinity necessary to reap those benefits is far lower than what most male-gaze obsessed people judge masculine enough"

...negative perceptions that facial masculinity may signal, such as increased dominance and dishonesty. Facial masculinity can also be associated with lower paternal investment, aggressiveness, and being perceived as threatening, which are characteristics that are not desirable in a long-term partnership.​

Sex Differences in Physical Attractiveness

This chapter provides an overview of the literature on the sex differences in physical attractiveness, and how it influences mate choice. More specifically, it investigates evolutionary perspectives on men and women’s preferences for physical traits, such as ideal breast features in women, and...

www.intechopen.com

​

Misperceptions of opposite-sex preferences exist in young men (...) men tend to overestimate the muscularity of male bodies that women prefer. Moreover, these misperceptions are more exaggerated for short-term relationships. (...) men misperceive that women would like more muscular men for short-term than for long-term relationships.​

https://bpspsychub.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/bjop.12451

​

Women rated physically attractive men as more likely to cheat or desert a long-term relationship, whereas men did not consider attractive women to be more likely to cheat. However, women showed no aversion to the idea of forming long-term relationships with attractive men. ​

Mate choice trade-offs and women's preference for physically attractive men - PubMed

Researchers studying human sexuality have repeatedly concluded that men place more emphasis on the physical attractiveness of potential mates than women do, particularly in long-term sexual relationships. Evolutionary theorists have suggested that this is the case because male mate value (the...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

​

hahaha look at what you just you typed, buddy is using studies and science to help him pull girls cba, girls like big muscles, they also like low bodyfat, they also like masculine men, just because you have low test and cant grow a beard doesnt mean everyone is the same, blame your parents brotha, cringing so hard at this

 

[Ultravisionary Bism]

hahaha look at what you just you typed, buddy is using studies and science to help him pull girls cba, girls like big muscles, they also like low bodyfat, they also like masculine men, just because you have low test and cant grow a beard doesnt mean everyone is the same, blame your parents brotha, cringing so hard at this

Oh really how tall are u?

If you denying heightpill while at the same time being a masculinity copers then you are a hypocrite moron.

 

[BucketCrab]

just because you have low test and cant grow a beard doesnt mean everyone is the same, blame your parents brotha, cringing so hard at this

I could grow a full beard before I finished high school. I just don't delude myself into thinking it's ideal.

 

[Ultravisionary Bism]

hahaha look at what you just you typed, buddy is using studies and science to help him pull girls cba, girls like big muscles, they also like low bodyfat, they also like masculine men, just because you have low test and cant grow a beard doesnt mean everyone is the same, blame your parents brotha, cringing so hard at this

Fixed it for you:

KEk look at what you just you typed, buddy is using studies and science to help him pull girls cba, girls like tall fag with big muscles horse shaft, they also like low bodyfat six pack, they also like masculine tall men who can dominate them in the bed for many hours, just because you have low test, low DHT and cant grow a beard doesnt mean everyone is the clone of the others, blame the soyciety, JFL at you

 

[Ultravisionary Bism]

To all masculinity copers in this thread

Spoiler: I HAVE A MESSAGE FOR YOU

ABOVE 9/10 PSL BONES STRUCTURE >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ANYTHING ELSE IN THE LOOKSMAXX SUB 8 IS LAW

 

[LiteralCaucasian]

They are.

High Cheekbone look preference is 100% CULTURAL PHENOMENON.

Or justify HOW are high cheekbones better than medium/low-set cheekbones? Just don't start that bullshit about "cavemen fought with fists, muh high cheekbone protected their eye"

Cavemen fought with fists, high cheekbones protected their eyes.

 

[Artemis]

Cavemen fought with fists, high cheekbones protected their eyes.

Nope.

they fought with clubs. And they fought animals.

High cheekbone does not do shit to prevent death.

High cheekbone look preference IS CULTURAL.

 

[LiteralCaucasian]

they fought with clubs

 

[Prettyboy]

A weak lower third covered with facial hair is still a weak lower third

 

[Deleted member 22623]

In other news the sun rises in the east and sets in the west

 

[stressftw]

Just observe what kind of women makes your dick hard and see what other women gossip in their circles about their opinion on what they think is ideal for a men taste, you will find the same mistake pattern there.

I can relate 100% why guys like Gosling sometimes have more attention from women than models based on my own taste in women in regards to some htn faces being way more attractive to me in oposition to females with "stacy" faces

Like, i can recognize that prime Adriana Lima is arguably the most beautiful female, yet, htn faced latinas with big asses totally blown my mind and attract me way more in comparison to Adriana Lima. It's like her beauty is more a thing to appreciate in opposition to feel attracted based on how she diverges from the norm.

You will probably see women saying the same thing about models like O'pry for example. They definately find him beautiful, but very often not in a attractive way. Like you watch some beautiful and aesthetic thing or animal like a tiger and their beauty automatically trigger your appreciation but not in attractive way(lol).

Thats how aesthetics work, but not necessarily attraction.

Attraction definately needs a factor of averageness to reach it's peak, thats why men misunderstand what is the ideal phyisique for men, because he can see how a extreme phyisique can be aesthetic but without the understanding that this doesnt necessarily means attraction.

Very often male gaze thing is a peak male aesthetics that lost it's averageness. Take the figure of gigachad meme being as it's epitomy, no women find that attractive at all, but very often retards will think that's a ideal to be persued.

Women do the SAME mistakes. Take breast implants for example, majority of men dislike it, and even prefer very small boobs instead of any type of implants because it always looks fake and lose the line of averegeness and normality

Those things are hard to explain because they work in the subconscious and are very hard to translate objectively, but i hope u can get my point.

Once the "averageness" is lost, very often so does the attraction

 

[Ultravisionary Bism]

In other news the sun rises in the east and sets in the west

 

[444]

You prettyboy copers have twisted the "male gaze" to fit your own agenda. Almost no man believes bodybuilder bodies are ideal. Get over yourselves.

 

[Artemis]

A weak lower third covered with facial hair is still a weak lower third

Still, it deceives the Female Brain well:

 

[Jase]

best avi on site

 

[Jase]

I can relate 100% why guys like Gosling sometimes have more attention from women than models based on my own taste in women in regards to some htn faces being way more attractive to me in oposition to females with "stacy" faces

goslingpilled, AGAIN.

 

[Tallooksmaxxer]

Height by far is the epitome of male masculinity

Masculinity copers = thinking they will be gigachad by doing mind changing useless cope.

Tallfag with horse shaft = The real masculinity itself with their own original mindset.In terms of sexual success, they will just slay without thinking about masculinity because they are already masculine JFL.

tall roidmaxxed pretty boy is unironically ideal in 2022

Penimaster and Several other pump >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Risky shit tons of Hormones injections paired with GYMAxxing

do both retarded

Also i still love both of kidney more than gazillion of normie NPC.

not all drugs are toxic. mostly orals.

 

[Tallooksmaxxer]

Ideal physique for most women:

found the coper @Over

 

[BucketCrab]

Very often male gaze thing is a peak male aesthetics that lost it's averageness. Take the figure of gigachad meme being as it's epitomy, no women find that attractive at all, but very often retards will think that's a ideal to be pursued.

Spot on.

 

[eduardkoopman]

BMI mattered most in first study.
Because alot of men fat size copers.
Firstly, leanness (better said, bodyfat percentage) matters most. After that come muscle mass and size.

actually.
the hyrarchy is imo like that. of what matter most to least.

Manlet > Being fat > Height > low bf% > muscle mass/strenght.

 

[eduardkoopman]

women don't know what they like asking them for their opinions is meaningless.

true.
that is why tracking behavior studies are the best ones.
2nd best studies, are making women rate pics of dudes.
and absolute shit cope studies, are the ones where they ask women opinion in text format only.

 

[BoneDensity]

Just don't start that bullshit about "cavemen fought with fists, muh high cheekbone protected their eye"

Nope.

they fought with clubs. And they fought animals.

High cheekbone does not do shit to prevent death.

High cheekbone look preference IS CULTURAL.

Do you have low cheekbones? Why cope so much? A well protected eye area is beneficial to survival in the wild no matter what weapon is used. Any sort of eye damage could prove fatal; if you can't see then you can't do anything in the wild. Over thousands of years a preference for well protected eye areas was instilled in our species.

 

[Artemis]

Do you have low cheekbones? Why cope so much? A well protected eye area is beneficial to survival in the wild no matter what weapon is used. Any sort of eye damage could prove fatal; if you can't see then you can't do anything in the wild. Over thousands of years a preference for well protected eye areas was instilled in our species.

I have cheekbones 404, worst of all.

And it is no cope. High CHeekbone preference is purely cultural.

This theory about "cheekbone protecting eye" is pure cope. If it is so important for "preference", how come shitty cheekbones still exist? They would have been bred from existence already. So no,I do not buy this "muh evolution" bullshit, sry

PS. Low cheekbones also protect the eye. And brow ridge protects the eye too. And THE ORBIT ITSLEF protects the eye. Cheekbone for any protection is cope. Statistically insignificant.

 

[Over]

Ideal physique for most women:

found the coper @Over

Yea and then you go to the club and dudes bump into you with their shoulder because you're a skinny bitch and men don't respect you.

Respect from men = status in the group = pussy

David Laid body is ideal, you get respect and you are not meathead

 

[Prettyboy]

Still, it deceives the Female Brain well:

Not really

It’s very easy to call out beardfrauders in social settings

 

[makeme183]

Facial hair: Facial hair is a different matter, as a stubble was consistently proven as being considered the most attractive - however, it should be duly noted that facial hair has the ability to cover unattractive lower thirds, and since most males don't have good lower thirds, they will always be perceived as more attractive when it is covered: in short, stubble is considered more attractive not because stubble is more attractive per se but rather because it hides a facial defect, resulting in higher perceived attractiveness.

this is the most brilliant explanation to the age old debate of clean shaved vs stubble

mind blowing tbh

also a lot of cucks got IQ mogged in this thread

 

[softlysoftly]

What follows is a series of studies meant to inequivocably prove that the Male Gaze view of what is attractive to women is completely misguided.
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"Bodybuilder body is the most attractive"

Rebuttal: Females like muscles, especially V-tapered physiques with wide shoulders and narrow hips, but men WILDLY overestimate the amount of muscle they find attractive. In developed countries of the 21st century, female judge high genetic quality as more important than protection"

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https://www.researchgate.net/publication/293162497_The_preferred_male_body_shapes_of_college_men_and_women

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Three purported cues to perceived male physical attractiveness are the waist-to-chest ratio (WCR), body mass index (BMI) and the waist-to-hip ratio (WHR).​

Ninety-five female participants from Britain and Malaysia were asked to rate a set of images of real men with known WCR, BMI and WHR. The results showed clear differences along a gradient of socio-economic development.​

In the rural setting, BMI was the primary predictor of attractiveness, with WCR playing a more minor role and WHR not reaching significance. In general, urban participants were more reliant on body shape and chose a relatively slim figure with an ‘inverted triangle’ shape.​

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https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1740144505000562

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Frederick Fessler and Haselton found that men portrayed in magazines targeted at male audiences are more muscular than men portrayed in magazines targeted at women.​

Misperceptions of opposite-sex preferences exist in young men (...) men tend to overestimate the muscularity of male bodies that women prefer.​

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https://bpspsychub.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/bjop.12451

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Results showed that on average both men and women wanted to have less body fat and more muscularity than they perceived that they had. Men showed (a desire for) exaggerated thinness and muscularity compared to female preferences.​

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https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/00050067.2022.2033951

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What is the ideal body size and shape that we want for ourselves and our partners? What are the important physical features in this ideal? And do both genders agree on what is an attractive body? To answer these questions we used a 3D interactive software system which allows our participants to produce a photorealistic, virtual male or female body.​

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Figure B indicates the male body perceived as ideal by female participants.​

What is an attractive body? Using an interactive 3D program to create the ideal body for you and your partner - PubMed

What is the ideal body size and shape that we want for ourselves and our partners? What are the important physical features in this ideal? And do both genders agree on what is an attractive body? To answer these questions we used a 3D interactive software system which allows our participants to...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

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"The more masculine you look, the more attractive you are"

Rebuttal: Masculine facial features are not as polarized as most male gaze copers believe; pronounced eyebrows, jawline and cheekbones are enough to qualify a face as masculine, and plenty of prettyboys show these features. Still, average levels of masculinity are preferred, leaning towards feminine.

Some research has shown that women do prefer men with masculine compared to feminine facial features.​

Note: these are the masculine facial features considered in the study: pronounced eyebrows, enhanced cheekbones, elongated jawline.​

Other studies have not found support for women’s preferences for facial masculinity.​

Further, research has shown that there are slight preferences for facial femininity in men...​

...women preferred and viewed longer (i.e., increased visual attention) feminine compared to masculine faces, suggesting that cognitive processes may be involved in driving the expression of mate preferences.​

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Sex Differences in Physical Attractiveness

This chapter provides an overview of the literature on the sex differences in physical attractiveness, and how it influences mate choice. More specifically, it investigates evolutionary perspectives on men and women’s preferences for physical traits, such as ideal breast features in women, and...

www.intechopen.com

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All women preferred the faces with average levels of masculinity.​

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Sociosexuality in women and preference for facial masculinization and somatotype in men - PubMed

Sociosexual orientation reflects individual differences in openness to short-term sexual relationships. We predicted that women with less restricted sociosexuality would be differentially attracted to highly masculinized male faces and bodies. In 2 studies, we investigated preference for male...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

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"Body hair and facial hair increase sex appeal"

Rebuttal: Relatively few studies prove young females prefer body hair, while most recent studies, especially those concerned with the preferences of fertile-age women, prove hairlessness is considered ideal.

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Women rated figures with no or little trunk hair as most attractive.​

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Studies of human physique and sexual attractiveness: sexual preferences of men and women in China - PubMed

Men and women at Northwest University (n = 631), Xi'an, China, were asked to rate the attractiveness of male or female figures manipulated to vary somatotype, waist-to-hip ratio (WHR), secondary sexual traits, and other features. In study 1, women rated the average masculine somatotype as most...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

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...six pictures of the same male body with different amounts of visible body hair and to indicate which body was most sexually attractive to themselves, to most men, and to most women. Both men and women chose a relatively hairless male body as the most sexually attractive. Women, however, thought men would choose a hairier body than men actually did. Most of the men reduced or removed body hair, especially from the pubic area.​

...men and women had similar attitudes toward men's body hair, with both hair reduction and hair retention being socially acceptable. Men's body depilation, while still optional, may be becoming normative.​

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Men's body depilation: an exploratory study of United States college students' preferences, attitudes, and practices - PubMed

Young men in Western cultures frequently engage in body depilation practices, but little is known regarding how such bodies are perceived. This exploratory study asked United States college students (N=238) to view six pictures of the same male body with different amounts of visible body hair...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

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...amount and distribution of masculine trunk hair (chest and abdominal) was altered progressively in a series of front-posed male figures. In both countries, the image lacking any trunk hair was rated as the most attractive, with a steady decline in attractiveness as hirsutism became more pronounced. ​

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Human physique and sexual attractiveness in men and women: a New Zealand-U.S. comparative study - PubMed

Men and women living in New Zealand and California completed five studies regarding human physique and sexual attractiveness. In Studies 1-3, women rated images of male stimuli and, in Studies 4-5, men rated female stimuli. In Study 1, women in both countries rated mesomorphic (muscular) and...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

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Men with body hair were less attractive than when clean shaven...​

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https://www.researchgate.net/publication/281139201

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The ectoparasite avoidance hypothesis proposes one reason why hairless men may be considered more attractive. Hairless men may be less susceptible to ectoparasites, which may serve as a cue that they are healthy and not transmitting unwanted parasites.​

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Sex Differences in Physical Attractiveness

This chapter provides an overview of the literature on the sex differences in physical attractiveness, and how it influences mate choice. More specifically, it investigates evolutionary perspectives on men and women’s preferences for physical traits, such as ideal breast features in women, and...

www.intechopen.com

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Facial hair: Facial hair is a different matter, as a stubble was consistently proven as being considered the most attractive - however, it should be duly noted that facial hair has the ability to cover unattractive lower thirds, and since most males don't have good lower thirds, they will always be perceived as more attractive when it is covered: in short, stubble is considered more attractive not because stubble is more attractive per se but rather because it hides a facial defect, resulting in higher perceived attractiveness.

Still, differences in female preferences are not nearly as polarized as most male gaze copers would like to think:

Among the female respondents, 57.19% indicated a preference for men with facial hair, and 42.81% preferred clean-shaven faces.​

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https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/1474704920961728

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Women with partners that were clean-shaven judged clean-shaven faces as most attractive, whereas women with partners with heavy stubble or full beards judged heavy stubble as most attractive.​

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Do women’s preferences for men’s facial hair change with reproductive status?

Abstract. Women’s preferences for masculine traits are reported to be greater among young reproductively capable women, particularly just prior to ovulation, th

academic.oup.com

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And less-fertile, older women are generally the ones that find facial hair most attractive:

Postmenopausal women gave higher scores for all degrees of facial hair, including full beards, than premenopausal and pregnant women.

Do women’s preferences for men’s facial hair change with reproductive status?

Abstract. Women’s preferences for masculine traits are reported to be greater among young reproductively capable women, particularly just prior to ovulation, th

academic.oup.com

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"Male gaze appeal mogs in short term relationships"

Rebuttal: It's not that male gaze appeal is superior to female gaze appeal, it's just that STR are the only ones where women are willing to tolerate male gaze copers, so STR are the only realm in which they get most of their sexual success. This does not indicate female gaze appeal is inferior in STR than male gaze appeal. Moreover, although multiple studies show that masculinity is positively correlated with short-term relationships success over long-term relationships, the degree of masculinity necessary to reap those benefits is far lower than what most male-gaze obsessed people judge masculine enough"

...negative perceptions that facial masculinity may signal, such as increased dominance and dishonesty. Facial masculinity can also be associated with lower paternal investment, aggressiveness, and being perceived as threatening, which are characteristics that are not desirable in a long-term partnership.​

Sex Differences in Physical Attractiveness

This chapter provides an overview of the literature on the sex differences in physical attractiveness, and how it influences mate choice. More specifically, it investigates evolutionary perspectives on men and women’s preferences for physical traits, such as ideal breast features in women, and...

www.intechopen.com

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Misperceptions of opposite-sex preferences exist in young men (...) men tend to overestimate the muscularity of male bodies that women prefer. Moreover, these misperceptions are more exaggerated for short-term relationships. (...) men misperceive that women would like more muscular men for short-term than for long-term relationships.​

https://bpspsychub.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/bjop.12451

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Women rated physically attractive men as more likely to cheat or desert a long-term relationship, whereas men did not consider attractive women to be more likely to cheat. However, women showed no aversion to the idea of forming long-term relationships with attractive men. ​

Mate choice trade-offs and women's preference for physically attractive men - PubMed

Researchers studying human sexuality have repeatedly concluded that men place more emphasis on the physical attractiveness of potential mates than women do, particularly in long-term sexual relationships. Evolutionary theorists have suggested that this is the case because male mate value (the...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

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majority of your thread is like a massive strawman
you prop up arguments and claims I never made and them proceed to dismantle them, classic strawman

for example 'body hair and facial hair increase sex appeal'
Clarification: I never said body hair was an attraction boost, I only said facial hair specifically STUBBLE is what makes you more attractive especially in the context of slaying

another example 'bodybuilder body is the most attractive'
Clarification: that statement was never made by me and that statement itself is a broad generalization
both of these guys are considered bodybuilders

but Jesse the guy on left would be what most women consider to be more attractive

It's not that male gaze appeal is superior to female gaze appeal, it's just that STR are the only ones where women are willing to tolerate male gaze copers

there is no 'toleration' you retard you are either deliberately misrepresenting the literature to push your own narrative or just low iq and low comprehension
these are the men that they actually want but these men are hard to keep and tend to not commit to only one woman @VeryFuglyNiyguhs

the guys that women choose for short term relationships are generally more fit and physically attractive compared to the men they choose for long term relationships

this distinction exists because the more physically attractive men have more options and are less likely to be monogamous and stick around to raise children and pay bills therefore for long term relationships they choose the men more likely to commit and stick around these men tend to be comparatively less fit and physically attractive

this is the most brilliant explanation to the age old debate of clean shaved vs stubble

the more chubby and undefined your lower third the longer the facial hair needs to be
if you are low bodyfat and have solid lower third bone structure then only a light layer of stubble is needed for maximum appeal
the length of facial hair is inversely proportional to the size and angularity of your lower third

You prettyboy copers have twisted the "male gaze" to fit your own agenda. Almost no man believes bodybuilder bodies are ideal. Get over yourselves.

mate his whole thread is a misrepresentation of other people's arguments and strawmans in order to like push his idea of what he thinks is ideal

A weak lower third covered with facial hair is still a weak lower third

you are like low iq asf if you think the only purpose of facial hair is to cover a weak lower third

 

[makeme183]

the more chubby and undefined your lower third the longer the facial hair needs to be
if you are low bodyfat and have solid lower third bone structure then only a light layer of stubble is needed for maximum appeal
the length of facial hair is inversely proportional to the size and angularity of your lower third

so you are saying stubble > clean shaved even for guys with good jawlines ?

how come none of the prettybois have stubble then ?

 

[444]

Take the figure of gigachad meme being as it's epitomy, no women find that attractive at all, but very often retards will think that's a ideal to be persued.

Give ONE example of someone who thinks they should pursue that body. Literally nobody thinks this, it's a meme and a JOKE.

 

[rand anon]

Dnr

 

[NegativeNorwood]

found the coper @Over

Yea and then you go to the club and dudes bump into you with their shoulder because you're a skinny bitch and men don't respect you.

Respect from men = status in the group = pussy

David Laid body is ideal, you get respect and you are not meathead

Don't project your deranged homosexual fantasies towards me u condescending ladyboys

 

[softlysoftly]

so you are saying stubble > clean shaved even for guys with good jawlines ?

yes, @averagejoe has an insane lower third but he still keeps a 3-5mm stubble and @Amnesia has said girls think he looks sexier with stubble but he goes clean shave because he is like more than 30 years old and wants to look young and get with underaged girls

how come none of the prettybois have stubble then ?

either they can't grow one yet or they go clean shave to look as young as possible to attract youngest possible females which is technically their target audience

Ideal physique for most women:

no it is not he looks dyel in a shirt

Face in the middle (Att/Hth-LTM) mogs

women have on video admitted that stm and dom are the most sexy and look very forceful in bed

Don't project your deranged homosexual fantasies towards me u condescending ladyboys

tell me you don't step outside without telling me you don't step outside

 

[Deleted member 7580]

You prettyboy copers have twisted the "male gaze" to fit your own agenda. Almost no man believes bodybuilder bodies are ideal. Get over yourselves.

Do you know how many guys think Dwayne Johnson is a peak male or Tate is a pussy wetter or you need a cbum physique for girls

 

[Artemis]

Not really

It’s very easy to call out beardfrauders in social settings

Never saw this IRL. I don't think anyone would jump to palpate a bearded guy's chin...

 

[444]

Do you know how many guys think Dwayne Johnson is a peak male

I have never seen someone under 50 say this.