Do braces cause recession and downgrowth

[glumfruitcake]

I came by a thread that talked about how braces cause maxilla recession. I was wondering if this was true because i used to have braces and now wear a retainer. my maxilla is a little recessed and down grown ( i think) could this be caused by braces and my retainer? should i talk to my dentist or orthodontist about a MSE and should i ditch the retainer? also what other appliances/ methods can i look into for maxilla forward growth

 

[onlyhereforheight]

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[Deleted member 1901]

I came by a thread that talked about how braces cause maxilla recession

Yes

recession. I was wondering if this was true

True

because i used to have braces and now wear a retainer

Over

should i talk to my dentist or orthodontist about a MSE and should i ditch the retainer?

Maybe, depends how narrow. MSE isn’t necessarily a looksmax

also what other appliances/ methods can i look into for maxilla forward growth

Facemask with MSE/FME and lefort. That’s it.

 

[glumfruitcake]

Facemask

like headgear or facepulling?

 

[Deleted member 1901]

like headgear or facepulling?

Reverse-pull headgear

 

[Deleted member 28774]

it really depends. If you are trying to correct your bite, for instance you have a slight overbite. The retarded dentists will pull back your maxilla to fix ur bite, instead of moving the jaw forward. But if you just have crooked teeth or a crossbite then braces will not do anything harmful to your face

 

[bradpittshairline]

it really depends. If you are trying to correct your bite, for instance you have a slight overbite. The retarded dentists will pull back your maxilla to fix ur bite, instead of moving the jaw forward. But if you just have crooked teeth or a crossbite then braces will not do anything harmful to your face

i have overbite and need braces wtf do i do

 

[JovenCansao]

If you needed braces to fix your teeth you probably already had a bad maxilla and jaw to begin with.
Chewing will make your teeth grow correctly and it also affects the general development of your jaw.

If you're done with braces and are using retainer to keep your teeth in place don't stop using it for a while longer, if you do your teeth will get fucked again and braces will have been for nothing.
If you're using a retainer because you bite too much during your sleep you're fycked since it can lead to bruxism and your teeth actually breaking, however, chewing enough during the day generally solves this and you'd be able to ditch the retainer.

As for if the retainer can fuck your jaw even more, I don't have evidence but I'd say it does simply because it's not natural to sleep with that and they do occupy a good portion of space between your upper and lower teeth so it's as if you were mouth breathing more. I mean, the correct posture to rest your teeth is to have them grind together but without force.

 

[randomop]

Depends that type of braces and aplineces some might not recess like mine

 

[bradpittshairline]

If you needed braces to fix your teeth you probably already had a bad maxilla and jaw to begin with.
Chewing will make your teeth grow correctly and it also affects the general development of your jaw.

If you're done with braces and are using retainer to keep your teeth in place don't stop using it for a while longer, if you do your teeth will get fucked again and braces will have been for nothing.
If you're using a retainer because you bite too much during your sleep you're fycked since it can lead to bruxism and your teeth actually breaking, however, chewing enough during the day generally solves this and you'd be able to ditch the retainer.

As for if the retainer can fuck your jaw even more, I don't have evidence but I'd say it does simply because it's not natural to sleep with that and they do occupy a good portion of space between your upper and lower teeth so it's as if you were mouth breathing more. I mean, the correct posture to rest your teeth is to have them grind together but without force.

can i get braces to fix crooked teeth and overbite and get bimax later

 

[Deleted member 31155]

Yes

True

Over

Maybe, depends how narrow. MSE isn’t necessarily a looksmax

Facemask with MSE/FME and lefort. That’s it.

what to do instead if u want to fix asymmetry like when ur jaw, maxilla and palate are grown more in the other side of ur face?

 

[Deleted member 1901]

what to do instead if u want to fix asymmetry like when ur jaw, maxilla and palate are grown more in the other side of ur face?

Idk

 

[Bitchwhipper2]

It recesses your face

I have a friend who had braces and his midface caves in from the side profile like a half moon

 

[Deleted member 28774]

i have overbite and need braces wtf do i do

ahhaha. the dentist will 100% recess ur maxilla. Unless you do private and clearly communicate that you want them to not recess your maxilla. The only way would be surgery (sum form of jaw advancement) to match witht your overbite.

 

[bradpittshairline]

ahhaha. the dentist will 100% recess ur maxilla. Unless you do private and clearly communicate that you want them to not recess your maxilla. The only way would be surgery (sum form of jaw advancement) to match witht your overbite.

im doing it privately paying for it however my teeth are crooked so i need to fix my shit smile... im an adult now so idk if my maxilla can be fucked with by elastics though - im planning on getting a bimax in 3 years when i have the money

 

[Whatashame]

its better to use braces but if ITS ONLY BRACES (WITHOUT EXTRACTIONS AND LEASTICS - THESE WILL FUCK YOU 100%). You should make sure the treatment dont overextend (The pressure it makes on already straight teeth is damaging), you also should make sure its not tilting the teeth inwards, and the most important of all and the biggest cause of face damage because of braces (after extractions): You CANT STOP CHEWING HARD FOODS. Its a moment where you need to chew a lot, because if you dont think about it you will end up chewing with the buccinators.

 

[Deleted member 32669]

it does

Vertical facial and dental arch dimensional changes in extraction vs. non-extraction orthodontic treatment - PubMed

Vertical dimensional changes showed no significant difference between extraction and non-extraction groups. Intermolar widths and arch depths decreased in both arches in the extraction group while the maxillary intermolar width increased in the non-extraction group.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

I came by a thread that talked about how braces cause maxilla recession. I was wondering if this was true because i used to have braces and now wear a retainer. my maxilla is a little recessed and down grown ( i think) could this be caused by braces and my retainer? should i talk to my dentist or orthodontist about a MSE and should i ditch the retainer? also what other appliances/ methods can i look into for maxilla forward growth

 

[JCaesar]

it does
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Vertical facial and dental arch dimensional changes in extraction vs. non-extraction orthodontic treatment - PubMed

Vertical dimensional changes showed no significant difference between extraction and non-extraction groups. Intermolar widths and arch depths decreased in both arches in the extraction group while the maxillary intermolar width increased in the non-extraction group.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

That's talking about braces WITH extractions though, not just braces?

 

[Deleted member 32669]

That's talking about braces WITH extractions though, not just braces?

both actually

 

[JCaesar]

both actually

Yup, I guess only braces wouldn't do much?

 

[the_nextDavidLaid]

it really depends. If you are trying to correct your bite, for instance you have a slight overbite. The retarded dentists will pull back your maxilla to fix ur bite, instead of moving the jaw forward. But if you just have crooked teeth or a crossbite then braces will not do anything harmful to your face

Cope. If what you said is true it’s over. I thought that it went like this:

You have overbite -> lower jaw pulled forwards

You have underbite -> lower jaw pulled backwards

 

[Deleted member 28774]

Cope. If what you said is true it’s over. I thought that it went like this:

You have overbite -> lower jaw pulled forwards

You have underbite -> lower jaw pulled backwards

nope. dentists would rather recess things than pull it forward

Dentist will

Overbite = Maxilla goes backwards to match with jaw

Underbite = Jaw goes backwards to match maxilla

 

[the_nextDavidLaid]

nope. dentists would rather recess things than pull it forward

Dentist will

Overbite = Maxilla goes backwards to match with jaw

Underbite = Jaw goes backwards to match maxilla

Fuck this shit

 

[Donkeyballs]

what to do instead if u want to fix asymmetry like when ur jaw, maxilla and palate are grown more in the other side of ur face?

Check your dental midline

With this you can figure about what exactly is assymetrical. You can actually use elastics to fix dental midline, but if you are considerably older it may take a while or not be viable.

 

[Deleted member 31155]

Check your dental midline
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With this you can figure about what exactly is assymetrical. You can actually use elastics to fix dental midline, but if you are considerably older it may take a while or not be viable.
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theres some kind of assymetry where my face looks compact in the right side but long, and narrow in the left side whenever i tilt my head in each side. what is causing this and how is it fixed? is it related to what u said?

 

[Manfrommars]

theres some kind of assymetry where my face looks compact in the right side but long, and narrow in the left side whenever i tilt my head in each side. what is causing this and how is it fixed? is it related to what u said?

seems like one side of your faces maxilla is more developed, I have the same issue as I was missing a tooth on my left side which is now recessed in comparison