Is my jaw recessed or is vertical + horizontal genio enough? What do I need to fix this area well?

[ApeCigger]

 

[Deleted member 24789]

U need bimax bro

Send me ur full side profile, i'll calculate ur foward angle

 

[ApeCigger]

U need bimax bro

Send me ur full side profile, i'll calculate ur foward angle

Bimax seems overrated, way too expensive and seems overdone not sure though, I'll send you my full profile tho

 

[It'snotover]

Bimax seems overrated, way too expensive and seems overdone not sure though, I'll send you my full profile tho

Bsso+ genio. I agree that bimax is overrated and biggest forum meme, only deforme people ascends from it and some end up looking worse after it.

 

[Deleted member 22623]

Bsso+ genio. I agree that bimax is overrated and biggest forum meme, only deforme people ascends from it and some end up looking worse after it.

BSSO is expensive as fuck realistically none of us rotters here will afford it ever

 

[It'snotover]

BSSO is expensive as fuck realistically none of us rotters here will afford it ever

Yeah it’s expensive, but so it is most of the surgery that people needs here. If someone has an ok maxilla and needs much more mandible and chin length, what would be a decent alternative to bsso? Genio? Also to have a bimax you must get braces for at least a year if i'm not wrong. Bite for which surgery is better plays a role here too.

 

[Deleted member 22623]

Yeah it’s expensive, but so it is most of the surgery that people needs here. If someone has an ok maxilla and needs much more mandible and chin length, what would be a decent alternative to bsso? Genio? Also to have a bimax you must get braces for at least a year if i'm not wrong. Bite for which surgery is better plays a role here too.

sliding genio, implants, distraction osteogenesis (MDO).. all cheaper procedures

 

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[It'snotover]

sliding genio, implants, distraction osteogenesis (MDO).. all cheaper procedures

True. Especially about Mdo and genio. I would say that making the mandible longer before implants is the best choice. Another reason which I think bimax is useless for most people, at least from an aesthetic pov,is because without genio there are not many visible changes. A guy that had bimax without genio posted a shitty result 2 weeks ago. I'd rather do genio+ inframalar implants, better aesthetic outcome since most people maxilla's is fine.

 

[ApeCigger]

sliding genio, implants, distraction osteogenesis (MDO).. all cheaper procedures

Sliding genio is what I've been considering but that only changes chin, not sure if that properly works for jaw recession or whatever

 

[ApeCigger]

True. Especially about Mdo and genio. I would say that making the mandible longer before implants is the best choice. Another reason which I think bimax is useless for most people, at least from an aesthetic pov,is because without genio there are not many visible changes. A guy that had bimax without genio posted a shitty result 2 weeks ago. I'd rather do genio+ inframalar implants, better aesthetic outcome since most people maxilla's is fine.

So I should look into MDO possibly?

 

[Deleted member 22623]

Sliding genio is what I've been considering but that only changes chin, not sure if that properly works for jaw recession or whatever

moves it forward without changing vertical height

it depends on if ur lower or upperj aw is recessed or both

 

[ApeCigger]

moves it forward without changing vertical height

it depends on if ur lower or upperj aw is recessed or both

I'm not quite sure what is what, by sliding genio I did mean vertical as well, since my chin is short as well as recessed

 

[Deleted member 22623]

I'm not quite sure what is what, by sliding genio I did mean vertical as well, since my chin is short as well as recessed

you need a regular genioplasty then

 

[Deleted member 22623]

sliding genio will just bring your chin forward

 

[Deleted member 24002]

Bsso+ genio. I agree that bimax is overrated and biggest forum meme, only deforme people ascends from it and some end up looking worse after it.

BSSO is all about bite. He’d need 7mm+ overbite for the ortho to say “we can’t get this bite normal with orthodontics, you need lower jaw surgery”. If his bite is good then he should honestly jurist go to a surgeon who does big genio movements. It could just be a case of a really weak chin like the guy below. This guy just did 10mm horizontal genio and OP has a better lower third.
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[ApeCigger]

BSSO is all about bite. He’d need 7mm+ overbite for the ortho to say “we can’t get this bite normal with orthodontics, you need lower jaw surgery”. If his bite is good then he should honestly jurist go to a surgeon who does big genio movements. It could just be a case of a really weak chin like the guy below. This guy just did 10mm horizontal genio and OP has a better lower third.
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Hmm I'll look into it, I'm assuming a consultation would tell me more about this right?

 

[It'snotover]

BSSO is all about bite. He’d need 7mm+ overbite for the ortho to say “we can’t get this bite normal with orthodontics, you need lower jaw surgery”. If his bite is good then he should honestly jurist go to a surgeon who does big genio movements. It could just be a case of a really weak chin like the guy below. This guy just did 10mm horizontal genio and OP has a better lower third.
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Yes, like I said what surgery is better to you depends by your bite and jaw recession. I saw pretty good ascension from genio alone tbh, but bsso is good too except for the fact that it's expensive and more painful. There are recessed people with class 1 bite so in these cases it's just genio or bimax for those who wants to dogmaxx.

 

[GazeWithin]

Bsso+ genio. I agree that bimax is overrated and biggest forum meme, only deforme people ascends from it and some end up looking worse after it.

BSSO + Genio is such a waste if you’re gonna go thru a whole ass BSSO might as well just do djs. Nowadays in the hands of the right surgeon it’s extremely typical to have no complications

 

[Deleted member 24002]

BSSO + Genio is such a waste if you’re gonna go thru a whole ass BSSO might as well just do djs. Nowadays in the hands of the right surgeon it’s extremely typical to have no complications

Not everyone gives af about maxilla projection, under eye support, and a slightly upturned nose enough to wear braces for a year and spend a crazy amount out of pocket.

 

[GazeWithin]

Not everyone gives af about maxilla projection, under eye support, and a slightly upturned nose enough to wear braces for a year and spend a crazy amount out of pocket.

You still have to wear braces for a year for bsso

 

[Deleted member 24002]

You still have to wear braces for a year for bsso

fair enough

 

[ApeCigger]

Alright so what I'm getting from this is a vertical plus horizontal genio could probably be good for me, obv should get a consultation to be more sure

 

[Deleted member 24002]

Alright so what I'm getting from this is a vertical plus horizontal genio could probably be good for me, obv should get a consultation to be more sure

If the surgeon you go to doesn’t do double digit sliding genio movements (10mm+) don’t go to them.

 

[ApeCigger]

If the surgeon you go to doesn’t do double digit sliding genio movements (10mm+) don’t go to them.

10mm forward right? Not vertical I assume since 10mm vertically sounds like too much idk tho

 

[Deleted member 24002]

10mm forward right? Not vertical I assume since 10mm vertically sounds like too much idk tho

yeah

 

[ApeCigger]

yeah

Alright noted, is turkey a good place for non-overpriced good genio or should I try to find an American doctor? I'll probably do rhino in turkey but not sure about genio

 

[Deleted member 24002]

Alright noted, is turkey a good place for non-overpriced good genio or should I try to find an American doctor? I'll probably do rhino in turkey but not sure about genio

Yes go to an American surgeon

 

[ApeCigger]

Yes go to an American surgeon

How expensive would a good one in America be for vertical plus horizontal? I've heard that 5k is like a good price and anything above is overpriced, but idk

 

[Deleted member 24002]

How expensive would a good one in America be for vertical plus horizontal? I've heard that 5k is like a good price and anything above is overpriced, but idk

I’m paying 7k just horizontal but I know the guy I’m going to is top tier. But that includes a 1k sales tax in Ontario that maybe Americans don’t have to pay.

 

[ApeCigger]

I’m paying 7k just horizontal but I know the guy I’m going to is top tier. But that includes a 1k sales tax in Ontario that maybe Americans don’t have to pay.

Hmm I'll see, would genio change how my nose looks? Idk if should get rhino first