MSE midface

[ChristianF]

Does mse increase midface lenght?
People who had mse please answer.

 

[thereallegend]

Does mse increase midface lenght?
People who had mse please answer.

No it widens it by broadening the maxilla.

 

[spark]

Some people have reported that it increased their midfacial height by ~1mm

 

[Deleted member 16133]

lefort 1 and lip lift can fix a long mid face as long as you have a good doctor, and can show them what exactly you want.
Long midface (if awfully long) can DETRACT from your overall harmony and make you look like shit.
Consult ASAP with a cranio/maxillofacial surgeon.

oh read that wrong you have short midface, why the fuck would u wanna increase midface length?
compact midface is such a mogger trait.
Pm me your face you may be an anomaly whos midface is TOO short.
In that case you can get cw rotation and lefort 1 to increase midface length if you really need it, but I feel like you prolly don't.

 

[Deleted member 16133]

Some people have reported that it increased their midfacial height by ~1mm

not worth it, mse is meant to do what its meant to do, expand the pallete.
i think instead of looksmaxxing we should all turn gay and happy

 

[Deleted member 16133]

CW rotation brings the rear of the maxilla up
and CCW bring it down
CCW steepens the jaw line while CW lengthens it. The fulcrum is the upper incisors I believe so the chin projection will be a tad more forward with rotation resulting in a slight shortening of the lower 3rd. In long faces, because excess horizontal growth was vertical instead a sliding genioplasty may also be necessary to make you really normal, though under 3mm isn't detectable by others.
Genio could improve you as well, but I need to see a face PM me.

tldr:
Cw makes the face longer
Ccw makes the face shorter

 

[ChristianF]

Cause I’ve seen this picture and it seems it lengthens it
I’m talking about the lenght from eyes to lips, not overall face lenght

 

[ChristianF]

Some people have reported that it increased their midfacial height by ~1mm

This is what worries me

 

[ChristianF]

lefort 1 and lip lift can fix a long mid face as long as you have a good doctor, and can show them what exactly you want.
Long midface (if awfully long) can DETRACT from your overall harmony and make you look like shit.
Consult ASAP with a cranio/maxillofacial surgeon.

oh read that wrong you have short midface, why the fuck would u wanna increase midface length?
compact midface is such a mogger trait.
Pm me your face you may be an anomaly whos midface is TOO short.
In that case you can get cw rotation and lefort 1 to increase midface length if you really need it, but I feel like you prolly don't.

My midface ratio is normal, like 1, but I could benefit of having slightly better cheekbones.
I’m super scared of lenghtening the midface though

 

[Deleted member 16133]

My midface ratio is normal, like 1, but I could benefit of having slightly better cheekbones.
I’m super scared of lenghtening the midface though

it can never hurt to try
remember before surgery the gas mask or IV comes down on you and you're out for like 5 minutes then you wake up and you're procedure is complete and doctor gives complete instructions its okay

 

[Agendum]

One thing that makes midface longer with MSE is if you have maxillary cant (or tilt) where one side descends 1-3 mm. The expansion is relative to the plane of your palate, not the midline if your face.

That's what happened to me and I almost feel like my face is longer since getting it and I'm almost done with Invisalign.

MSE isn't worth the time and money. I undergone it to see if I could settle the question, though it was rumored to be a meme prior but I wanted to be sure. I took one for the team.

 

[yorker12]

One thing that makes midface longer with MSE is if you have maxillary cant (or tilt) where one side descends 1-3 mm. The expansion is relative to the plane of your palate, not the midline if your face.

That's what happened to me and I almost feel like my face is longer since getting it and I'm almost done with Invisalign.

I had surgically assisted MARPE which was the closest thing I could get to MSE in my area. The aesthetic results are somewhat noticeable, you definitely get a wider smile and a wider face.

You're right about the cant thing, my left side did expand more and a bit downwards so I have a slightly asymetric top arch now(its really not that noticeable), but that will be corrected with Maxillary Impaction anyways.

But the biggest improvement is in my breathing, holy shit, after the swelling went down, I am getting the best sleep I have ever had in my life, nose breathing Throughout the night.

MSE isn't worth the time and money. I undergone it to see if I could settle the question, though it was rumored to be a meme prior but I wanted to be sure. I took one for the team.

I don't know where people are getting the idea that MSE will ascend them, there is a shit ton of info on it on the forum, it is primarily a functional not an aesthetic procedure.

I have said this before and will say it again:
If you don't have breathing or aesthetic problems which are caused by a narrow upper arch, MSE or any expander is not going to "ascend" you or help you.


If you have breathing problems caused by a narrow arch then it is definitely worth it and probably one of the better things to do for your health/quality of life in general.

 

[SOS-Sonic]

One thing that makes midface longer with MSE is if you have maxillary cant (or tilt) where one side descends 1-3 mm. The expansion is relative to the plane of your palate, not the midline if your face.

That's what happened to me and I almost feel like my face is longer since getting it and I'm almost done with Invisalign.

MSE isn't worth the time and money. I undergone it to see if I could settle the question, though it was rumored to be a meme prior but I wanted to be sure. I took one for the team.

I see. Do you think its worth it if one wants to increase their mouth width? I think a wide mouth is super aesthetic. Also, how much did it impact your breathing?

 

[Agendum]

I see. Do you think its worth it if one wants to increase their mouth width? I think a wide mouth is super aesthetic. Also, how much did it impact your breathing?

I got it for both asthetic and functional reasons but initially when the expansion was widest (8mm) and still had the gap and a full cross bite my breathing was improved but it was only because I had more room in my mouth to displace my tongue into keeping some of the volume out of my throat. Invisalign to close the gap and fix my cross bite narrows the potential aveolar expansion because its limited by my subhuman lower jaw IMW.

The problem is that its more of my craniofacial overbite that has forced my tongue into my throat. My palatal height is lower so no real amount of lateral expansion is going to solve the issue. MSE is great for increasing nasal volume but it was only treating symptoms of a larger problem.

If you are looking or wide mouth I think its more genetic since its soft tissues which you cant really change all that much.

 

[whiteissuperior]

lefort 1 and lip lift can fix a long mid face as long as you have a good doctor, and can show them what exactly you want.
Long midface (if awfully long) can DETRACT from your overall harmony and make you look like shit.
Consult ASAP with a cranio/maxillofacial surgeon.

oh read that wrong you have short midface, why the fuck would u wanna increase midface length?
compact midface is such a mogger trait.
Pm me your face you may be an anomaly whos midface is TOO short.
In that case you can get cw rotation and lefort 1 to increase midface length if you really need it, but I feel like you prolly don't.

what if I already have a long downward grown narrow face, but my occlusal plane is flat and doctors are recommending be CW rotation??

 

[Deleted member 16133]

what if I already have a long downward grown narrow face, but my occlusal plane is flat and doctors are recommending be CW rotation??

youll need to consult with a specialist to see your problem

 

[whiteissuperior]

youll need to consult with a specialist to see your problem

give me an example

just a normal CMF and orhto?

cuz they recommend the same thing

 

[Deleted member 16133]

give me an example

just a normal CMF and orhto?

cuz they recommend the same thing

cranio maxillary specialist
idk im in a heat of rage rn bc ppl on insta are trying to get me arrested for drinking my pee

 

[Deleted member 2816]

I had surgically assisted MARPE which was the closest thing I could get to MSE in my area. The aesthetic results are somewhat noticeable, you definitely get a wider smile and a wider face.

You're right about the cant thing, my left side did expand more and a bit downwards so I have a slightly asymetric top arch now(its really not that noticeable), but that will be corrected with Maxillary Impaction anyways.

But the biggest improvement is in my breathing, holy shit, after the swelling went down, I am getting the best sleep I have ever had in my life, nose breathing Throughout the night.



I don't know where people are getting the idea that MSE will ascend them, there is a shit ton of info on it on the forum, it is primarily a functional not an aesthetic procedure.

I have said this before and will say it again:
If you don't have breathing or aesthetic problems which are caused by a narrow upper arch, MSE or any expander is not going to "ascend" you or help you.


If you have breathing problems caused by a narrow arch then it is definitely worth it and probably one of the better things to do for your health/quality of life in general.

HEALTH. = AESTHETICS SO SHUT UP

 

[SOS-Sonic]

what if I already have a long downward grown narrow face, but my occlusal plane is flat and doctors are recommending be CW rotation?

I have never every seen anyone with a narrow long face who had a neutral occlusal plane, they usually have very CW rotated occlusal planes. But I would consider a specialist like Alfaro or Augusto Pary if that were the case.

 

[whiteissuperior]

I have never every seen anyone with a narrow long face who had a neutral occlusal plane, they usually have very CW rotated occlusal planes. But I would consider a specialist like Alfaro or Augusto Pary if that were the case.

this is me btw

 

[bignosesmallchin]

One thing that makes midface longer with MSE is if you have maxillary cant (or tilt) where one side descends 1-3 mm. The expansion is relative to the plane of your palate, not the midline if your face.

That's what happened to me and I almost feel like my face is longer since getting it and I'm almost done with Invisalign.

MSE isn't worth the time and money. I undergone it to see if I could settle the question, though it was rumored to be a meme prior but I wanted to be sure. I took one for the team.

Is maxillary tilt when your maxila is tilted? My whole jaw is slanted to the left, does that mean MSE would be bad for me?

 

[Agendum]

Is maxillary tilt when your maxila is tilted? My whole jaw is slanted to the left, does that mean MSE would be bad for me?

Probably