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Being NT is incredibly important. I know many suffer from social anxiety/feelings of inadequacy.

I guarantee you, if you are socially awkward, the fact that you lack conviction is your biggest obstacle.

In recreational social settings, the information being conveyed is not the most important - just getting into a state where you can speak freely without judging yourself creates vibe - which is the priority.

I think the atmosphere of this forum negatively affects real-life social interaction. Here, you must watch what you say or come under fire. In real life, unless you make highly controversial claims, people are unlikely to contradict you. In a social setting where the goal is to relax, most mentally healthy people will be happy to see you are making an effort to contribute to the atmosphere.

'Just be NT bro' I hear the cynics say. It is, of course, easier said than done.

Here are some low effort, low social risk environments where you can practice speaking without judging yourself:

In Ubers:

When you sit down, ask how they are doing. If they give a dry response, make one more statement 'the weather today is really x'. If they don't bite this second time, put your headphones on, and relax. It is incredibly low stakes - worst case, they are boring/socially awkward themselves/have other things on their mind.

In a good case, you will have a decent conversation with someone who is probably bored senseless, and appreciative of some authentic human interaction. I have been in fits of laughter with drivers who have told me various stories about couples having sex in the back of their car, people throwing up everywhere, etc.

In Barbers:

Go to an old-school style barbers where it is mostly (if not exclusively) men. You want an expressive, masculine environment. Black barbershops are great for this. When you sit down, most of the time they will initiate a conversation with you.

Many of these guys are very NT - similar vibe to the popular kids at high school. If you are on this forum, it is unlikely you had a great social life growing up - don't be intimidated. Don't lie to them - express yourself authentically. If they ask you if you saw the 'game' and you don't give a shit about it, be honest. When my barber first asked me who I supported, I told him the only sport I followed was UFC - so we had a conversation about that instead.

Unlike high school, you are paying these guys to provide you with a service, so don't be intimidated to tell them about your nerdy hobbies/interests. They're not going to bully you. I am a huge nerd, but I am NT, and can 'own' whatever niche passion I am talking about.

In Shops, Restaurants, Bars:

Again, get into the habit of asking the cashier/waiter how they are doing. If they are in a social mood, they will reciprocate. If they are not, they will not - in which case you leave it. Very low stakes.

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Ultimately, when you are socialising, you are marketing yourself. If people can tell you don't believe in your product, why would they? If you speak quietly and act like you're a piece of shit, people will assume this is the case. Conversely, if you speak with authority and passion, people will be inclined to believe what you're saying.

Remember, 55% of communication comes from body language and facial expressions, 38% comes from tone of voice, and just 7% comes from the words themselves. Speak with conviction - unless you are making outlandish claims, you are unlikely to be called out (unless you're with close friends).

I know some people will hate on this post. If you are considering posting a negative/scathing reply, I would say it is highly likely that you would actually be too anxious to engage in these behaviours for a week. I would challenge you to try it, and if you feel no more confident, then feel free to call me out.

As Always, Best Wishes To All
 
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Dnrd but i will bump for basement dwellers who will read but wont get out anyways
 
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Bumo :feelshehe:
 
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Every word
 
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Feel like im recessing NT wise during lockdown
 
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Visit the barbershop every single day of the week? :lul: :lul:
I mean, you could. That'd actually be pretty hilarious. Just walk in like 'yeah bro I'll pay you $20 to chat to me, I'm trying to NTmaxx'.

But no, obviously that's not what I'm suggesting lmao.
 
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the secret to nt maxxing is to follow 2 or 3 popular sports and have 2 or 3 other mainstream hobbies eg music gym literature. if youre into art, working out and sports you can literally talk to anyone
 
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also you need to learn how to be interested in other peoples lives. once you can do those things just go out as much as possible and learn body language etc on the job
 
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also have NT clothes, shoes, haircut and phone. Those are things that identify you as an autismo if you dont conform style wise to what everybody else wears. It wouldn't even matter if you're super extroverted if you don't try to adapt in those four points.

- clothes: depends on where you live, in europe for fall and winter you can't go wrong with all black high quality stuff
- shoes: depends where you live, in europe almost nobody wears jordans, many wear running shoes as opposoed to the US
- haircut: sides shaved or <10mm is very common, in fact it is very hard to find a non niche maxed normie that doesnt have short sides
- phone: the newer the better, iphone is better than android
 
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also have NT clothes, shoes, haircut and phone. Those are things that identify you as an autismo if you dont conform style wise to what everybody else wears. It wouldn't even matter if you're super extroverted if you don't try to adapt in those four points.

- clothes: depends on where you live, in europe for fall and winter you can't go wrong with all black high quality stuff
- shoes: depends where you live, in europe almost nobody wears jordans, many wear running shoes as opposoed to the US
- haircut: sides shaved or <10mm is very common, in fact it is very hard to find a non niche maxed normie that doesnt have short sides
- phone: the newer the better, iphone is better than android
Excellent contribution, thank you.

The short back and sides and having an iPhone are two incredibly easy wins.
 
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also you need to learn how to be interested in other peoples lives. once you can do those things just go out as much as possible and learn body language etc on the job
Good point. One caveat to this I'd make would be not to over-ask questions. People love talking about themselves, but going into pure interview mode is not the approach.

If someone is talking about something I have some knowledge about also, I will listen to what they say, then bring it back to myself - telling a personal, loosely related story. Often, this takes the pressure off the other person, and they will more times than not chime in with more interest than if you had asked another question.
 
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also have NT clothes, shoes, haircut and phone. Those are things that identify you as an autismo if you dont conform style wise to what everybody else wears. It wouldn't even matter if you're super extroverted if you don't try to adapt in those four points.

- clothes: depends on where you live, in europe for fall and winter you can't go wrong with all black high quality stuff
- shoes: depends where you live, in europe almost nobody wears jordans, many wear running shoes as opposoed to the US
- haircut: sides shaved or <10mm is very common, in fact it is very hard to find a non niche maxed normie that doesnt have short sides
- phone: the newer the better, iphone is better than android
using clothes to compensate for being a weirdo is an autsy trait though. unless youre a chad just dont wear conspicuous clothing or notoriously bad/low quality brands. hygiene is much more important imo.
 
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the secret to nt maxxing is to follow 2 or 3 popular sports and have 2 or 3 other mainstream hobbies eg music gym literature. if youre into art, working out and sports you can literally talk to anyone
I don't think the bar is even this high. If you have at least one mainstream interest, you can get away with a lot. A good friend of mine is heavily into anime and weird existentialist memes. However, he's also an awesome music producer and speaks with an insane level of confidence.

I also knew a guy who was a very high ranked Chess player but had great social success because he DJ'd and was, again, extremely self-assured.
 
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Good point. One caveat to this I'd make would be not to over-ask questions. People love talking about themselves, but going into pure interview mode is not the approach.

If someone is talking about something I have some knowledge about also, I will listen to what they say, then bring it back to myself - telling a personal, loosely related story. Often, this takes the pressure off the other person, and they will more times than not chime in with more interest than if you had asked another question.
yeah very true. keep the convo flowing as a back and forth, not an interrogation. if you ask a question it holds up the convo, whereas if you make a contribution it moves it along. i lost my childhood oneitis by asking too many questions
 
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I don't think the bar is even this high. If you have at least one mainstream interest, you can get away with a lot. A good friend of mine is heavily into anime and weird existentialist memes. However, he's also an awesome music producer and speaks with an insane level of confidence.

I also knew a guy who was a very high ranked Chess player but had great social success because he DJ'd and was, again, extremely self-assured.
yeah definitely. its probably an exception if theyre very very good in their field, rather than just having an interest though, and i think having 2 or three markedly different interests covers 99% of people, although having just a couple or even one to a very high standard will cover most people anyway
 
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Good thread
However

No NT for your face
 
Good thread
However

No NT for your face
Thank you.

2 PSL and NT > 2 PSL and Non-NT

Any time there is an opportunity to optimise, it should be taken.
 
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You will never be NT with 2 PSL tbh
At 2 PSL life won't be easy whatever way you look at it.

However, my point is that if you can behave in a way that makes your life less painful, you should pursue that.

I fear that comments like yours, despite a degree of truth, take a really negative toll on those who have been particularly unlucky genetically.
 
At 2 PSL life won't be easy whatever way you look at it.

However, my point is that if you can behave in a way that makes your life less painful, you should pursue that.

I fear that comments like yours, despite a degree of truth, take a really negative toll on those who have been particularly unlucky genetically.
It takes a toll on those because it is the reality and not because I say that unfortunately

I expirienced it myself
 
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It takes a toll on those because it is the reality and not because I say that unfortunately

I expirienced it myself
Fair enough. I will defer to your authority since I have no life experience at 2 PSL.

What advice would you give to those in such a situation who feel hopeless? How have you improved your life?
 
Fair enough. I will defer to your authority since I have no life experience at 2 PSL.

What advice would you give to those in such a situation who feel hopeless? How have you improved your life?
Well I was never 2 PSL but giga non NT which basically killed my Teenage years

What I would change in my past self:
-Do go to parties please or its over
-Make friends with the chads immediately or over
-Dont be not interested in Girls until 18 like me or over
 
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I improved my Life by softmaxxing and making friends with the NT Chads by 2000%
 
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I improved my Life by softmaxxing and making friends with the NT Chads by 2000%
Completely my experience also.

Thank you for your past two posts. I am sure many will find them extremely useful.
 
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Don't wanna sound like a retard but what does NT stand for?
 
Don't wanna sound like a retard but what does NT stand for?
Neurotypical, my friend.

'not displaying or characterized by autistic or other neurologically atypical patterns of thought or behaviour.'

Socially 'normal', basically.
 
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Neurotypical, my friend.

'not displaying or characterized by autistic or other neurologically atypical patterns of thought or behaviour.'

Socially 'normal', basically.
I'm not one of those sit at the front of the bus and ignore people and be a brony in a basement non NT's, but I'm definitely not fucking normal. I wish I were, life would be much easier.. but through my abnormal personality and autistic OCD obsession, I've still managed to have friends and get pussy. Not trying to flex, hopefully someone who's like me except more autistic can see this as motivation.
 
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I'm not one of those sit at the front of the bus and ignore people and be a brony in a basement non NT's, but I'm definitely not fucking normal. I wish I were, life would be much easier.. but through my abnormal personality and autistic OCD obsession, I've still managed to have friends and get pussy. Not trying to flex, hopefully someone who's like me except more autistic can see this as motivation.
That's great to hear. How did you overcome those obstacles to achieve social success?
 
That's great to hear. How did you overcome those obstacles to achieve social success?

Acting. Autists and non NT people need to do what they do best; research. Watch films, read about what women like, grab onto a character or two that you like that make women swoon and men respect them, and do that autistic chameleon thing and basically be a Patrick Bateman. See yourself as a character. Fucking watch Drive, and copy Ryan Gosling. The character is basically autistic. Eventually after forming relationships with people, they will allow you to feel more comfortable letting your guard down.. and by then you may have actually changed enough to not look like a sociopath.
 
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also become less obsessed with my little pony, and biochemistry and become obsessed with weight lifting or making music, or something that translates better to women and social situations.
 
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Acting. Autists and non NT people need to do what they do best; research. Watch films, read about what women like, grab onto a character or two that you like that make women swoon and men respect them, and do that autistic chameleon thing and basically be a Patrick Bateman. See yourself as a character. Fucking watch Drive, and copy Ryan Gosling. The character is basically autistic. Eventually after forming relationships with people, they will allow you to feel more comfortable letting your guard down.. and by then you may have actually changed enough to not look like a sociopath.
Extremely legit advice.
 
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