[Serious] Social life before/after looksmax. Does people act different around you?

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before looksmaxing, life and soul of the party, slaying every week and 50 people wishiong me happy birthday

after looksmaxing, no party, no slaying, no birthday wishes

its lonely at the top, i went from 3/10 balkan truffle forager to 9.95/10 anglo aristocrat btw
 
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Unbelievably so, depends on your srarting point, if you're below normie tier you have virtually no shot at popularity unless its some kind of nepotism situation, but people will treat you like a brick wall in the social circle if that's the case and talk shot behind your back. If you're at normie tier everything you say or do in life matters, you're looks aren't helping you per say but not hurting you and if you have the right pheno you will appear above average, obviously being good looking is going to lead to positive feedback easily unearned respect people will treat you better right out of the gate etc, however despite popular belief in my experience the biggest shift in life is not from average to good looking but from ugly to average. Yes having your looks get you things automatically is great, but having zero shot at things in life because of your appearance is exponentially worse. If i could take looking average or a 50/50 chance of ugly or good looking I would take average in a heartbeat. The life of an ugly person is brutal. As a normie you can be popular, get into top frat in college, get through life and advance in career with merit etc, and yes get laid and have a gf. Being sub par physically is a death sentence and you are essentially living with a legitimate disability in terms of going through life with a normal ease
 
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Brutal tbh. The friend turn-over for some uglier people is insanely low. Good looking people can cycle through friendship groups and make new friendship groups in a matter of days/weeks.

Ugly people/social rejects can take years to develop friends apart from those they already have.
The brutal truth unless you go for niche groups.
 
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My whole life I tried to act alpha to get girls. Now that I am blackpilled, people cannot gaslight me anymore. The blackpill saved my life.
Same for me when i was in my late teen years. Now i go for where i naturally fall in a group with better results.
This way i'm not putting as much pressure on myself and others and it's more fun for everyone.
 
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very different, especially after gymcelling.

-people who used to ignore me in school, suddenly talk to me as if we were friends all the time
-often get stuff for free from cashiers etc
-only had 2 job interviews until i got a decent job
-got approached by 11 girls since im on this forum, 1 before i registered (like 6 years ago)
-get called good looking more often by friends or people i know a bit
-ton of more ioi's
-girls now see me as a person and talk to me, unlike before they ignored me
-dont get called weird anymore
-can get away with stuff that used to make people angry (speeding, talking loudly, being low inhib etc)
-people are just in general a lot more nice to me than when i was uglier
-friends get jealous when im around their girlfriend and often get inbetween our conversations
-nobody seems to "sabotage" my life anymore, nobody wants to harm me anymore
-people i had fights with now have a lot of more respect than before
-i seem to have a powerful aura in my family, like everyone proud of me for no reason

list goes on but too tired to think of more
 
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My whole life I tried to act alpha to get girls.
The funniest Alpha quote I ever heard: " acting Alpha is Beta".
The whole Alpha principle for humans is such a stupid concept. And the approach that anyone can be the Alpha.

Alpha, means leader of group. The one on top of the hyrarchy. That's so rare.
 
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The funniest Alpha quote I ever heard: " acting Alpha is Beta".
The whole Alpha principle for humans is such a stupid concept. And the approach that anyone can be the Alpha.

Alpha, means leader of group. The one on top of the hyrarchy. That's so rare.
Agreed. No alpha for my face.
 
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yes, I didnt do insane looksmax but I did softmaxes on me and it made me better looking indeed

My mother owns a store around our house and when clients come they usually pass our house and I get significantly more IOIs
and had a gymcel Becky flirting with me and treating me right
 
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As cliche as it sounds, you don't change (internally, anyway), but the whole world and all the people around you change. Growing up heavy and ugly as a child and teenager, and then transforming myself in my late teens and early twenties, I started to see just how superficial society is. People are nicer when you're better looking, and you're respected more. Things are a bit easier. If you aren't a complete piece of shit and have some ounce of personality, you will generally be well liked. You get more attention, people will look at you more.

On the other hand, people keep their distance from you and will never really approach you. Nobody will directly tell you that you're good-looking, attractive or sexy, because other people will 'assume' that you already know this and don't want to stroke your ego. People are also quick to insult you or put you down to possibly prevent you from getting an over-inflated sense of pride or ego. Some girls use this as a form of flirting. But there's a fine line between being humble and modest, and having your self-esteem lowered by others. Especially for people like us, we didn't grow up looking like a 10 out of 10. I had to work for it, build it, buy it, inject it, fill it, or operate on it, when I could afford it. And sometimes the wounds of the past never truly heal...

It's generally made me more cold and snobbish to people that have an ego, are stuck up, in love with themselves or are show-offs - and people that are fake, sickly sweet, and social status seekers. Now that I've graduated, I see people that were such bullys, assholes, or 'popular' (I loathe that term) in high school - and I can't help but give them dirty looks because their presence still makes me agitated and irritable. They don't recognise me. Or sometimes they do, and they can come over to me and say hello, when they didn't pay me any attention in high school or were complete bastards. Fuck these cunts.

Forget wanting to improve yourself for girls, or for friends, or as a revenge to people in the past. Fuck those people, they don't mean jack shit to you. Do it for yourself. Be your own best friend; don't rely on others to validate your self-worth. People are shit cunts, and there's idiots everywhere in this world mate.

Be independent, be self-sufficient, be aware of your past, be smart, be polite, don't take shit, and have some class; and kind, beautiful, meaningful people will naturally gravitate towards you. I promise you son.
Excellent post, made me rethink a few things.
 
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Unbelievably so, depends on your srarting point, if you're below normie tier you have virtually no shot at popularity unless its some kind of nepotism situation, but people will treat you like a brick wall in the social circle if that's the case and talk shot behind your back. If you're at normie tier everything you say or do in life matters, you're looks aren't helping you per say but not hurting you and if you have the right pheno you will appear above average, obviously being good looking is going to lead to positive feedback easily unearned respect people will treat you better right out of the gate etc, however despite popular belief in my experience the biggest shift in life is not from average to good looking but from ugly to average. Yes having your looks get you things automatically is great, but having zero shot at things in life because of your appearance is exponentially worse. If i could take looking average or a 50/50 chance of ugly or good looking I would take average in a heartbeat. The life of an ugly person is brutal. As a normie you can be popular, get into top frat in college, get through life and advance in career with merit etc, and yes get laid and have a gf. Being sub par physically is a death sentence and you are essentially living with a legitimate disability in terms of going through life with a normal ease
Legit.

being 5'8, bald with glasses is an obstacle in your opinion? I'm 31 and even I never been bullied, I'm pretty much invisible.
 
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It went from bad to worse but that’s probably down to me being a socially autist.
 
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We don't looksmax only for women....
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When people say they used to be ugly and they have now become GL..are they implying that they have gotten plastic surgeries ? I don't get it. If you are ugly you'll remain it for life. Probably you guys just mean by "ugly" not showering, not getting haircuts, poor fashion styles and being fat. Not being recessed and having a complete shit bone structure.
 
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When people say they used to be ugly and they have now become GL..are they implying that they have gotten plastic surgeries ? I don't get it. If you are ugly you'll remain it for life. Probably you guys just mean by "ugly" not showering, not getting haircuts, poor fashion styles and being fat. Not being recessed and having a complete shit bone structure.
Puberty perhaps
 
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Yes this is what I'm thinking. Those people were never ugly to begin with, just not maintained as far as their hygiene, weight, skin,etc..
Yeah as a young kid I was kind of chubby and had bad teeth from thumb sucking But I got braces that fixed the teeth and puberty became lean, that's why I stressed the thing about getting to average. Also a lot of people just look like trash before puberty.
 
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Brutal tbh. The friend turn-over for some uglier people is insanely low. Good looking people can cycle through friendship groups and make new friendship groups in a matter of days/weeks.

Ugly people/social rejects can take years to develop friends apart from those they already have.
Most accurate thing I have read so far,
There is so much freedom when you are gl
I have a gl friend and he is always off doing whatever he wants without care for friends and there will always be people texting/socialising with him
I remember he travellled overseas and apparently he made friends really quickly and they gave him free accomation for 2 weeks in their rental home whilst he was travelling
 
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very different, especially after gymcelling.

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list goes on but too tired to think of more
What looksmax did you do for things to improve so drastically ?
 
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What looksmax did you do for things to improve so drastically ?
ill list them by importance:
1. gymcelling
2. contact lenses
3. skin care / tan (cleanser, moisturizer, suncreme, sun bathing, beta carotene, astaxathin)
4. fashionmaxed
5. got a haircut that fits my skull/face shape the most
6. had septum deviation so got my nose fixed with surgery (minimal difference but looks less grooked)
7. eyebrow serum and castor oil on eyebrows
 
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ill list them by importance:
1. gymcelling
2. contact lenses
3. skin care / tan (cleanser, moisturizer, suncreme, sun bathing, beta carotene, astaxathin)
4. fashionmaxed
5. got a haircut that fits my skull/face shape the most
6. had septum deviation so got my nose fixed with surgery (minimal difference but looks less grooked)
7. eyebrow serum and castor oil on eyebrows
Oh so you were already GL and just softmaxxed... Suifuel I need modified LF3...
 
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ill list them by importance:
1. gymcelling
2. contact lenses
3. skin care / tan (cleanser, moisturizer, suncreme, sun bathing, beta carotene, astaxathin)
4. fashionmaxed
5. got a haircut that fits my skull/face shape the most
6. had septum deviation so got my nose fixed with surgery (minimal difference but looks less grooked)
7. eyebrow serum and castor oil on eyebrows
Can you send a photo when you are wearing the lenses
 
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You can only looksmax so much.

A truecel could just about reach low tier normie status for example, no way is he ever going to be deemed above average.
 
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Yes this is what I'm thinking. Those people were never ugly to begin with, just not maintained as far as their hygiene, weight, skin,etc..
Ofcourse they were ugly. Having acne or being fat is one of the easiest ways to be ugly.

Hygiene, weight, skin is often just a resemblance of the way your parents raised you. For example me:

-Raised in poverty and told that fashion is a waste of money and shallow. Result: I wore old used ugly clothes that never fit me properly.
-Both parents were obese and always pushed me to eat more (unhealthy) food. Result: I was fat.
-Never had a proper haircut because I was told self-care is a waste of money and shallow and I should just get easy buzzcut.

Going against my parents in any of this would lead to them sabotaging me.

Yes having your looks get you things automatically is great, but having zero shot at things in life because of your appearance is exponentially worse. If i could take looking average or a 50/50 chance of ugly or good looking I would take average in a heartbeat. The life of an ugly person is brutal. As a normie you can be popular, get into top frat in college, get through life and advance in career with merit etc, and yes get laid and have a gf. Being sub par physically is a death sentence and you are essentially living with a legitimate disability in terms of going through life with a normal ease
Also this so much. Going from ugly to average is a ridiculous difference. You finally have a chance at life.

My personal experience: When I was ugly I tried all kinds of different hobbies, to see what I liked. Like: Kung-Fu, playing in an orchestra with my violin and giving first aid at events.

In all of those situations I was treated like utter shit, bullied, and rejected by my peers. They never wanted to hangout afterwards and would always bad-talk me behind my back. In the end social acceptance is just as important as liking the hobby itself, so I quit several activities that I really liked doing, simply because I wasn't welcome socially there. Even when I did get friends there, they would backstab me when they had a chance to interact with those better looking than me.

You end up playing videogames, one of the few places where your looks don't matter.


I was 17 in the most left picture, but in my childhood I was much uglier than that even.

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11yo here (life was brutal)

Most interesting is that even adults: teachers, parents, etc. would treat me like utter shit at this age. I never had the benefit of the doubt and would often be singled out for punishment.

Typical example in a classroom: Many people were being noisy other than me and the teacher would get mad at the class in general. Not single out these people for punishment but just start shouting at the whole class.
Then if I was noisy in such a situation, the teacher would always single me out for punishment instead. 8 people including Syo being noisy? Time to punish Syo.
I've even had a teacher tell me I 'look like a bully so I don't believe you' when I was accused of something I didn't do.

Now: Life is objectively good/easy. But A LOT of damage has been done and I am very poorly adjusted to life. I have deep traumas for the shit that happened to me in the past (suffered from parental child abuse on top of the school bullying).

And it's still not easy to make new friends. As you can see in the picture, the way I look now is very dominant/masculine. I didn't choose this face and neutral face expression, but people seem to be afraid of me and treat me like their enemy. I can smile constantly like some retard to try and make people like me, which I sometimes do, but it still sucks fucking hard.

I hate social interaction and validation now that I know how shallow it is and how I get treated now. But at the same time I crave it, because I am only human.
 
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Ofcourse they were ugly. Having acne or being fat is one of the easiest ways to be ugly.

Hygiene, weight, skin is often just a resemblance of the way your parents raised you. For example me:

-Raised in poverty and told that fashion is a waste of money and shallow. Result: I wore old used ugly clothes that never fit me properly.
-Both parents were obese and always pushed me to eat more (unhealthy) food. Result: I was fat.
-Never had a proper haircut because I was told self-care is a waste of money and shallow and I should just get easy buzzcut.

Going against my parents in any of this would lead to them sabotaging me.



Also this so much. Going from ugly to average is a ridiculous difference. You finally have a chance at life.

My personal experience: When I was ugly I tried all kinds of different hobbies, to see what I liked. Like: Kung-Fu, playing in an orchestra with my violin and giving first aid at events.

In all of those situations I was treated like utter shit, bullied, and rejected by my peers. They never wanted to hangout afterwards and would always bad-talk me behind my back. In the end social acceptance is just as important as liking the hobby itself, so I quit several activities that I really liked doing, simply because I wasn't welcome socially there. Even when I did get friends there, they would backstab me when they had a chance to interact with those better looking than me.

You end up playing videogames, one of the few places where your looks don't matter.


I was 17 in the most left picture, but in my childhood I was much uglier than that even.

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11yo here (life was brutal)

Most interesting is that even adults: teachers, parents, etc. would treat me like utter shit at this age. I never had the benefit of the doubt and would often be singled out for punishment.

Typical example in a classroom: Many people were being noisy other than me and the teacher would get mad at the class in general. Not single out these people for punishment but just start shouting at the whole class.
Then if I was noisy in such a situation, the teacher would always single me out for punishment instead. 8 people including Syo being noisy? Time to punish Syo.
I've even had a teacher tell me I 'look like a bully so I don't believe you' when I was accused of something I didn't do.

Now: Life is objectively good/easy. But A LOT of damage has been done and I am very poorly adjusted to life. I have deep traumas for the shit that happened to me in the past (suffered from parental child abuse on top of the school bullying).

And it's still not easy to make new friends. As you can see in the picture, the way I look now is very dominant/masculine. I didn't choose this face and neutral face expression, but people seem to be afraid of me and treat me like their enemy. I can smile constantly like some retard to try and make people like me, which I sometimes do, but it still sucks fucking hard.

I hate social interaction and validation now that I know how shallow it is and how I get treated now. But at the same time I crave it, because I am only human.
You weren’t even that bad looking. Ded srs. You must have been aspie as fuck
 
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You weren’t even that bad looking. Ded srs. You must have been aspie as fuck
I agree, but I was clearly below average and that combined with an extroverted personality where I behaved like I was good-looking was a death sentence.

You are supposed to 'know your place' when you are ugly.
 
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