A reminder on the frame pill (GYMCELS GTFIH)

[Sodoku]

@IAMNOTANINCEL often says the truth about frame: it's law. You might say water but there's confusion around frame

It's not about your shoulder to waist ratio nor is it about clavicle lengthening.

It's simple. Can your bones support the muscle you're putting on? How wide are you? Is your bone structure made for you to get wider? There was this blackpill meme of two x-ray skeletons, differing in the size of their frame. It was funny but there's truth to it.

A good frame can make up for a lacking face. You need to be model-tier to make up for a horrible frame. The user is now deleted but they summarised this perfectly:

If your face is not doing all the work then it must be the PROPORTIONS/BODY/RATIOS that create appeal as an aside.
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But if you don't have the proportions? Jesus, I don't know. There's nothing you can legitimately do. Hitting the gym does not make your frame wider. Even worse, having rounded clavicles (which is often a symptom of a narrow frame) means that developing them can often result in shoulders that expand in an "0" shape rather than the "O" you're looking for.

This is the worst part. If you have a narrow frame, the neck pill does not work. This is a theory of mine but you cannot develop the neck if it simply isn't wide enough for it to be developed. Think about it, if the neck is attached to the traps which itself is narrow, surely then there is no room for it to grow?

As far as I know, roiding does not change your bone structure. I have seen narrow people who have years in the gym use steroids but their frame hasn't changed at all. In fact, they look slightly ridiculous with all that muscle attached to them if their bone structure does not support it. It just looks like balloons attached to them.

If you do not have the frame, have the face. If you don't have the face, then height is your last resort. Ngl it's such a brutal blackpill that it's stopped me in my tracks. No solutions for this one imo. How to tell? Check your head size to body ratio. Is your head significantly bigger than your body? If you have to say, "damn, my head is massive," - over.

 

[Sodoku]

My favourite tiktok video

 

[polishcel]

@IAMNOTANINCEL often says the truth about frame: it's law. You might say water but there's confusion around frame

It's not about your shoulder to waist ratio nor is it about clavicle lengthening.

It's simple. Can your bones support the muscle you're putting on? How wide are you? Is your bone structure made for you to get wider? There was this blackpill meme of two x-ray skeletons, differing in the size of their frame. It was funny but there's truth to it.

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A good frame can make up for a lacking face. You need to be model-tier to make up for a horrible frame. The user is now deleted but they summarised this perfectly:

If your face is not doing all the work then it must be the PROPORTIONS/BODY/RATIOS that create appeal as an aside.
​

But if you don't have the proportions? Jesus, I don't know. There's nothing you can legitimately do. Hitting the gym does not make your frame wider. Even worse, having rounded clavicles (which is often a symptom of a narrow frame) means that developing them can often result in shoulders that expand in an "0" shape rather than the "O" you're looking for.

This is the worst part. If you have a narrow frame, the neck pill does not work. This is a theory of mine but you cannot develop the neck if it simply isn't wide enough for it to be developed. Think about it, if the neck is attached to the traps which itself is narrow, surely then there is no room for it to grow?

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As far as I know, roiding does not change your bone structure. I have seen narrow people who have years in the gym use steroids but their frame hasn't changed at all. In fact, they look slightly ridiculous with all that muscle attached to them if their bone structure does not support it. It just looks like balloons attached to them.

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If you do not have the frame, have the face. If you don't have the face, then height is your last resort. Ngl it's such a brutal blackpill that it's stopped me in my tracks. No solutions for this one imo. How to tell? Check your head size to body ratio. Is your head significantly bigger than your body? If you have to say, "damn, my head is massive," - over.

only femboymaxxing at this point

 

[SoundnVision]

 

[Sodoku]

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Jesus.

The picture of the guy with glasses is exactly what I mean. BRUTAL. He's on roids but he looks so ridiculous

 

[polishcel]

My favourite tiktok video

ADONISSS

 

[kanderior]

No solutions for this one imo

apparently clavicle lengthening which you mentioned is, but people say it's risky even compared to LL, I think Dr. Paley refuses to do it cause he thinks it's too dangerous.

 

[SoundnVision]

Jesus.

The picture of the guy with glasses is exactly what I mean. BRUTAL. He's on roids but he looks so ridiculous

He would look better if just fat

 

[kanderior]

Jesus.

The picture of the guy with glasses is exactly what I mean. BRUTAL. He's on roids but he looks so ridiculous

yeah they actually look worse with the muscles. But keep in mind these are rare bottom-tier genetics, the average guy won't look like this if he gymmaxxes.

 

[Sodoku]

yeah they actually look worse with the muscles. But keep in mind these are rare bottom-tier genetics, the average guy won't look like this if he gymmaxxes.

I agree and I would be the last person to say that going to the gym is a cope which I think @IAMNOTANINCEL argues

But it's not as rare as you think - I saw three posts in the last 2 days with the same exact frame and large head. That sparked the inspo for my post. Someone even commented "brutal head to body size ratio" JFL

 

[polishcel]

My favourite tiktok video

this guy has average clavicles
this is narrow:

brutal

 

[Sodoku]

yeah they actually look worse with the muscles. But keep in mind these are rare bottom-tier genetics, the average guy won't look like this if he gymmaxxes.

Rare?

 

[klamus]

There is no horrible frame. Horrible frame is being 5'5. A 130 lbs 6ft Chad just needs to go to gym. You dont understand that something that would Make someone weak as fuck is something to The Caliber of cerebral palsy.

 

[SonOfDarkseid]

this is why gym is cope, height + frame + leanness is all that matters, as far as the body goes

 

[sub5outsider]

if you have naturally a large frame you dont need to hit the gym pure ropefuel ive seen this type of niggas in real life

 

[Sodoku]

There is no horrible frame. Horrible frame is being 5'5. A 130 lbs 6ft Chad just needs to go to gym. You dont understand that something that would Make someone weak as fuck is something to The Caliber of cerebral palsy.

Jfc you won’t ever be a Chad so I don’t know why you’re bringing up a .1% case

 

[Tyrone06]

@IAMNOTANINCEL often says the truth about frame: it's law. You might say water but there's confusion around frame

It's not about your shoulder to waist ratio nor is it about clavicle lengthening.

It's simple. Can your bones support the muscle you're putting on? How wide are you? Is your bone structure made for you to get wider? There was this blackpill meme of two x-ray skeletons, differing in the size of their frame. It was funny but there's truth to it.

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A good frame can make up for a lacking face. You need to be model-tier to make up for a horrible frame. The user is now deleted but they summarised this perfectly:

If your face is not doing all the work then it must be the PROPORTIONS/BODY/RATIOS that create appeal as an aside.
​

But if you don't have the proportions? Jesus, I don't know. There's nothing you can legitimately do. Hitting the gym does not make your frame wider. Even worse, having rounded clavicles (which is often a symptom of a narrow frame) means that developing them can often result in shoulders that expand in an "0" shape rather than the "O" you're looking for.

This is the worst part. If you have a narrow frame, the neck pill does not work. This is a theory of mine but you cannot develop the neck if it simply isn't wide enough for it to be developed. Think about it, if the neck is attached to the traps which itself is narrow, surely then there is no room for it to grow?

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As far as I know, roiding does not change your bone structure. I have seen narrow people who have years in the gym use steroids but their frame hasn't changed at all. In fact, they look slightly ridiculous with all that muscle attached to them if their bone structure does not support it. It just looks like balloons attached to them.

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If you do not have the frame, have the face. If you don't have the face, then height is your last resort. Ngl it's such a brutal blackpill that it's stopped me in my tracks. No solutions for this one imo. How to tell? Check your head size to body ratio. Is your head significantly bigger than your body? If you have to say, "damn, my head is massive," - over.

aint no way this real

 

[klamus]

Jfc you won’t ever be a Chad so I don’t know why you’re bringing up a .1% case

I Have no idea what youre talking about. The framepill is an absolute joke because its essentially just heightpill. If you Are 5'6 you Will always Look small compared to other men. If you Are average Height then you can get a really good physique naked while Lean. You Will never Look Big clothed while Lean unless you tailor clothes exactly to your fit. Just accept what it is

 

[marek937]

 

[ElTruecel]

No some roids can help ur frame. I mean JFL it legit changes hormones and there’s been claims of it helping the scapula BUT THEY USUALLY DO IT LIKE before the age of 21.

Right like at least before your bones are old or I guess stop growing.

@MaestheticMaso can u confirm?

 

[ElTruecel]

There is no horrible frame. Horrible frame is being 5'5. A 130 lbs 6ft Chad just needs to go to gym. You dont understand that something that would Make someone weak as fuck is something to The Caliber of cerebral palsy.

Lol if you think a 15 bideltoid muhhh 6ft “chad” won’t get disrespected or treated like shit irl due to his narrow shoulders.

Also being skinny doesn’t mean u have a shit frame. You do realize the frame is bone right

 

[WhoAmIReally]

Great observation.

 

[Gerardwayfan]

i still think that if you have good insertions even with short clavicule or weak bones you can still pull it off

 

[Oxygen]

i still think that if you have good insertions even with short clavicule or weak bones you can still pull it off

Shirtless, yeah. If you have  somewhat narrow clavicles and a small waist with good lats and muscle insertions you can still have a decent physique. The moment you put a shirt on you just look like a twink tho

 

[kanderior]

I Have no idea what youre talking about. The framepill is an absolute joke because its essentially just heightpill. If you Are 5'6 you Will always Look small compared to other men. If you Are average Height then you can get a really good physique naked while Lean. You Will never Look Big clothed while Lean unless you tailor clothes exactly to your fit. Just accept what it is

there's plenty of tall framelets that look less imposing as a result

 

[klamus]

Lol if you think a 15 bideltoid muhhh 6ft “chad” won’t get disrespected or treated like shit irl due to his narrow shoulders.

Also being skinny doesn’t mean u have a shit frame. You do realize the frame is bone right

Sigh I feel Bad For your iq. Cant believe I Even Bother to reply to a retard like you.

15" bidelt Chads dont exist. No full Grown adult Male is that thin. Or If you really think They exist, show me a picture. You know a picture with a measurement tape and their shoulders. For example The pictures with The surfer dude and The nerd in Black hoodie is just taken from a Bad angle. Their bidelt difference is probably around 2 inches.

 

[Sodoku]

Lol if you think a 15 bideltoid muhhh 6ft “chad” won’t get disrespected or treated like shit irl due to his narrow shoulders.

Also being skinny doesn’t mean u have a shit frame. You do realize the frame is bone right

there's plenty of tall framelets that look less imposing as a result

He’s fucking retarded lol no point replying. Plus I literally said you’d need to be an actual model to make up for it

No some roids can help ur frame. I mean JFL it legit changes hormones and there’s been claims of it helping the scapula BUT THEY USUALLY DO IT LIKE before the age of 21.

Right like at least before your bones are old or I guess stop growing.

@MaestheticMaso can u confirm?

Interested on this. AFAIK @MaestheticMaso and I said this might be down to a developmental issue and perhaps taking test might improve things, even beyond the age of 21. We'll see what he thinks

 

[Sodoku]

@ElTruecel thread if you're interested in what's been discussed before

I’m seeing too many FTM looking teens in the ratings section.

If you’re one of them, take this advice: You need Test and HGH therapy in order to develop serious dimorphism. There’s a good chance your growth plates are still open and your AR receptors are waiting for the hormones to antagonise it, therefore a sort of delayed puberty will save you. You can...

looksmax.org

 

[Gerardwayfan]

Shirtless, yeah. If you have  somewhat narrow clavicles and a small waist with good lats and muscle insertions you can still have a decent physique. The moment you put a shirt on you just look like a twink tho

most natties look like twinks anyways inside shirts lmao

 

[Oxygen]

most natties look like twinks anyways inside shirts

most people dont have chad tier frame

 

[Sodoku]

i still think that if you have good insertions even with short clavicule or weak bones you can still pull it off

Agreed. Insertions is different from frame but you're right in saying you can have a narrow frame with good insertions. You would need everything else going for you: low lats, okay clavicles, a good chest insertion etc

 

[SoundnVision]

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Born to stand Infront of bar doors

 

[ElTruecel]

Sigh I feel Bad For your iq. Cant believe I Even Bother to reply to a retard like you.

15" bidelt Chads dont exist. No full Grown adult Male is that thin. Or If you really think They exist, show me a picture. You know a picture with a measurement tape and their shoulders. For example The pictures with The surfer dude and The nerd in Black hoodie is just taken from a Bad angle. Their bidelt difference is probably around 2 inches.

 

[Sodoku]

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BRUUUUUUUTAL. Now imagine if that was someone who had a normal face, jfc

Also I don't believe that natty gymmaxing is a cope like that other post suggested. I actually think it's so dumb for someone to be on SARMS or roids without even training, it's just nuts. You'll benefit from going to the gym, you'll look better than you did when you were rotting so you may as well do it.

 

[currywhowillascends]

Is 20 inch untrained at 30% bf 190cm good or nah?

 

[Gerardwayfan]

Agreed. Insertions is different from frame but you're right in saying you can have a narrow frame with good insertions. You would need everything else going for you: low lats, okay clavicles, a good chest insertion etc

I think i do have narrow clavicles but I have decent insertions too. Im at my 3rd year in the gym and starting to see some good results. That's also because i have had a clavicular joint injury (perhaps cos they are incel tier) and didnt train chest and shoulder for one year

 

[awpatheris]

How do I measure how wide I am? How many inches is considered wide
@Sodoku

 

[Sodoku]

I think i do have narrow clavicles but I have decent insertions too. Im at my 3rd year in the gym and starting to see some good results. That's also because i have had a clavicular joint injury (perhaps cos they are incel tier) and didnt train chest and shoulder for one year

Narrow clavicles themselves isn't the end.

 

[Deleted member 50722]

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that's not even 15 inches and that's a decent frame. Looks to be around 18.5 - 20 inches which is above average

 

[klamus]

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You honestly think thats 15" inches? Is that your final answer?

 

[ElTruecel]

You honestly think thats 15" inches? Is that your final answer?

No that wasn’t my claim that it was 15 inches. My claim is that it’s a fucking dogshit frame on a good face.

that's not even 15 inches and that's a decent frame. Looks to be around 18.5 - 20 inches which is above average

No ofc it isn’t but his frame is legit dogshit

 

[Deleted member 50722]

No that wasn’t my claim that it was 15 inches. My claim is that it’s a fucking dogshit frame on a good face.

No ofc it isn’t but his frame is legit dogshit

His frame is decent, especially considering that is he 6'4, your tripping bro
a dogshit frame is a frame (when wearing a shirt) it just looks like your head is popping out the collar and you have no shoulders, his frame is above average

 

[klamus]

No that wasn’t my claim that it was 15 inches. My claim is that it’s a fucking dogshit frame on a good face.

No ofc it isn’t but his frame is legit dogshit

Thats above average frame. Easily +1 SD. Like 6'1 is above average Height. Are you saying that above average is Bad? Youre The most delusional poster here.

 

[Sodoku]

@MaestheticMaso Interested in hearing your thoughts on whether there's a solution to this. Do you believe roids can improve one's frame? So far anecdotal evidence is saying no...

 

[klamus]

if you have naturally a large frame you dont need to hit the gym pure ropefuel ive seen this type of niggas in real life

Doesnt exist. You dont have shoulder mass without exercise

 

[MaestheticMaso]

@MaestheticMaso Interested in hearing your thoughts on whether there's a solution to this. Do you believe roids can improve one's frame? So far anecdotal evidence is saying no...

I think having a wide, straight or slightly curved clavicle is key for building an aesthetic body and in this case building up your delts and back would really improve your frame. Look at Loox, Laid, Skywalker ect. If you have shit clavicles, you can manage if you have a wide scapula. Like the rock.

Joint size matters a lot NATURALLY as it caps your muscle limit and basically determines your starting point. However when you roid, it doesn’t matter too much. Look at guys like Zyzz, Skywalker ect. They had tiny wrists but managed to get big arms and then get a good contrast from their small joints.

 

[MaestheticMaso]

I think having a wide, straight or slightly curved clavicle is key for building an aesthetic body and in this case building up your delts and back would really improve your frame. Look at Loox, Laid, Skywalker ect. If you have shit clavicles, you can manage if you have a wide scapula. Like the rock.

Joint size matters a lot NATURALLY as it caps your muscle limit and basically determines your starting point. However when you roid, it doesn’t matter too much. Look at guys like Zyzz, Skywalker ect. They had tiny wrists but managed to get big arms and then get a good contrast from their small joints.

and your neck size is partially determined by your mastoid process. I’ve seen wide people with pencil necks and narrow people with thick necks. There’s a lot of things you need to get right tbh

 

[SteveRogers]

Idk about that;

Vs

 

[robtical]

This guy carried hard by proportions

 

[MaestheticMaso]

Idk about that;
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How did ur wrists grow ?