Bigonial width - often neglected but one of the MOST IMPORTANT factors for facial attractiveness and harmony

[UglyGod360]

Orb bigonial width is narrow

 

[AscendingHero]

This isn't talked about enough here imo. Bigonial width is the distance between the two gonions (the edges of the mandible where it meets the ramus). It determines how wide the lower jaw looks from the front. If your bigonial width is a lot lower than your interzygomatic width (distance between the cheekbones), your lower jaw will look too narrow. Short ramus and tall chin can compensate for a low bgw to an extent, so can big masseter muscles.

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Low bigonial width examples:

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High/decent bgw examples:

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High/decent bgw makes the jaw look more masculine, square and harmonious from the front (given decent ramus length, gonial angle and fWHR). Low bgw can make the face look top-heavy, especially if the chin is short, and unphotogenic from the front.
I'd say that bigonial width is more important than ramus length and gonial angle because it determines lower jaw width and can make or break a front profile. Who cares if your maxilla is forward-grown and your ramus long if your lower jaw looks subhuman from the front due to low bgw in relation to the interzygomatic width? In fact, a long ramus makes someone with low bgw look worse and the mandible appear even smaller/narrower due to inward-tilt of the ramus. The more vertical the ramus, the better, because it ensures decent bgw. A noticeably inward-tilted ramus is a sign of low bgw in relation to interzygomatic width.

Unfortunately, the only way to increase bgw (or give the appearance of higher bgw) is jaw implants. Growing a beard and making the masseters bigger can help to an extent but won't make the face look ideal from the front. Fillers can be used too but are quite expensive long-term and won't last long.

Agreed, top tier thread

So ideally bigonial width should be a tad bitter lesser than bizygo width (85-95 percent) and ideally it should mainly be because of bone

 

[Deleted member 2729]

Jaw implants or death

 

[Agendum]

I had a thread on this already

Why compact midfaces have better gonial width

When faces are downswung they almost always tend to get increasingly narrowing gonial width. Wider nasal floors also seem to correlate to wider gonials. How much does internal muscle tension contribute to the dimensions a face is grown? Is the muscle tautness restricting the direction a bone...

looksmax.org

 

[Bewusst]

I had a thread on this already

Look at the post date of this thread. It's two fucking years old

 

[Agendum]

Look at the post date of this thread. It's two fucking years old

Oh my bad lol

 

[PubertyMaxxer]

Couldn't find anything on this. Maybe someone can analyze attractive men's faces and come up with an ideal "interzygomatic/bigonial width ratio" or sth like that. Bgw close to izw would be ideal imo and ramus as vertical as possible.

Id say 0.90 bigonial:bizygomatic ratio

Zygos need to pop laterally

 

[Constantin Denis]

my chin height, which is 78mm

how did you measure that ? I'm guessing you took lips in consideration too ?

 

[Kirby7000]

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Eyes are mega frauded in morph. Nt tho

 

[Birdcell]

True. But don't forget that you also need a decent ramus , good chin and respectable mandible length , if you lack even one , you're not having a mogger jaw . I'm going evrn to say , that chin is more important than the width

 

[Coompill]

cheekbones are still aethestic af. a nice soft tapering from bizygomatic to bigonial is ideal. jaw is not too narrow and you stillhave facial angularity. always will mog square skulls. around x.1.1 to 1.15 wider

 

[zap]

This is one of the easier things to increase. hypertrophy of the masseter and pterygoid will increase bigonial width. It'll also give you those "flared gonions" you guys want
>inb4 no it'll make me bloated

 

[LiteralCaucasian]

Reeeeeee I neeed more bigonial width

 

[shahid khan]

Want to trade my 82-3% bigonial width with my hude zygomatic width?

Reeeeeee I neeed more bigonial width

 

[bwrauycnee]

This isn't talked about enough here imo. Bigonial width is the distance between the two gonions (the edges of the mandible where it meets the ramus). It determines how wide the lower jaw looks from the front. If your bigonial width is a lot lower than your interzygomatic width (distance between the cheekbones), your lower jaw will look too narrow. Short ramus and tall chin can compensate for a low bgw to an extent, so can big masseter muscles.

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Low bigonial width examples:

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High/decent bgw examples:

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High/decent bgw makes the jaw look more masculine, square and harmonious from the front (given decent ramus length, gonial angle and fWHR). Low bgw can make the face look top-heavy, especially if the chin is short, and unphotogenic from the front.
I'd say that bigonial width is more important than ramus length and gonial angle because it determines lower jaw width and can make or break a front profile. Who cares if your maxilla is forward-grown and your ramus long if your lower jaw looks subhuman from the front due to low bgw in relation to the interzygomatic width? In fact, a long ramus makes someone with low bgw look worse and the mandible appear even smaller/narrower due to inward-tilt of the ramus. The more vertical the ramus, the better, because it ensures decent bgw. A noticeably inward-tilted ramus is a sign of low bgw in relation to interzygomatic width.

Unfortunately, the only way to increase bgw (or give the appearance of higher bgw) is jaw implants. Growing a beard and making the masseters bigger can help to an extent but won't make the face look ideal from the front. Fillers can be used too but are quite expensive long-term and won't last long.

Is this measured with the masséters or just bone?

 

[BlondeDelon]

 

[PSLmogger]

BSSO can improve bigonial width, not only fillers and implants. The ramus can be flared out to a limited extent by a repositioning of the ramus and its condyle which is then fixed to the new mandibular position.

 

[Bitchwhipper2]

Agree 100%. Bigonial as wide as zygos looks masc and robust af.

Looks like shit

 

[Bewusst]

Is this measured with the masséters or just bone?

Bone. Gonions are part of the mandible, which is a bone

 

[bwrauycnee]

Bone. Gonions are part of the mandible, which is a bone

I’ve seen some articles stating that the standard for bigonial width is to measure it with soft tissue included.