Bigonial width - often neglected but one of the MOST IMPORTANT factors for facial attractiveness and harmony

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This isn't talked about enough here imo. Bigonial width is the distance between the two gonions (the edges of the mandible where it meets the ramus). It determines how wide the lower jaw looks from the front. If your bigonial width is a lot lower than your interzygomatic width (distance between the cheekbones), your lower jaw will look too narrow. Short ramus and tall chin can compensate for a low bgw to an extent, so can big masseter muscles.

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Low bigonial width examples:

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High/decent bgw examples:

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High/decent bgw makes the jaw look more masculine, square and harmonious from the front (given decent ramus length, gonial angle and fWHR). Low bgw can make the face look top-heavy, especially if the chin is short, and unphotogenic from the front.
I'd say that bigonial width is more important than ramus length and gonial angle because it determines lower jaw width and can make or break a front profile. Who cares if your maxilla is forward-grown and your ramus long if your lower jaw looks subhuman from the front due to low bgw in relation to the interzygomatic width? In fact, a long ramus makes someone with low bgw look worse and the mandible appear even smaller/narrower due to inward-tilt of the ramus. The more vertical the ramus, the better, because it ensures decent bgw. A noticeably inward-tilted ramus is a sign of low bgw in relation to interzygomatic width.

Unfortunately, the only way to increase bgw (or give the appearance of higher bgw) is jaw implants. Growing a beard and making the masseters bigger can help to an extent but won't make the face look ideal from the front. Fillers can be used too but are quite expensive long-term and won't last long.
 
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Agree 100%. Bigonial as wide as zygos looks masc and robust af.
 
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We will all get jaw implants brahs, we will make it, just believe 👆🙌🙏
 
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so, whats ideal?
 
Mine looks decently wide from the front, but I can't see the fucking ramus from the side, it gets me fucking upset because this shit is litterally one of the most aesthetically pleasing things jfl
 
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This is why I compensate with chewing. Masseters will fraud the bgw. Even if facial bone development from chewing is a lie, muscles build.
 
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Mine looks decently wide from the front, but I can't see the fucking ramus from the side, it gets me fucking upset because this shit is litterally one of the most aesthetically pleasing things jfl
lose fat
 
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legit but you need vertical height too.
 
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so, whats ideal?
Couldn't find anything on this. Maybe someone can analyze attractive men's faces and come up with an ideal "interzygomatic/bigonial width ratio" or sth like that. Bgw close to izw would be ideal imo and ramus as vertical as possible.
 
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Legit. One of my biggest flaws. My bizygomatic width is 145mm, but my jaw is only 123mm. I don’t have developed masseter muscles though so that would help. The only redeeming factor of my lower third is my chin height, which is 78mm. :feelswhy:
 
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Couldn't find anything on this. Maybe someone can analyze attractive men's faces and come up with an ideal "interzygomatic/bigonial width ratio" or sth like that. Bgw close to izw would be ideal imo and ramus as vertical as possible.
Ramus should line up with mouth.
 
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jaw width, isn't that quite trivial?
 
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I'm not really that fat, I am at like 15%, I will drop to 12% after bulkin gup a bit, but I'm quite sure it won't have much of an effect on ramus
 
also, who's this?

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I'm not really that fat, I am at like 15%, I will drop to 12% after bulkin gup a bit, but I'm quite sure it won't have much of an effect on ramus
Ofc it will. Fat covers your bones, including your ramus. You might not get a model side profile but it will improve regardless. Just see my thread in the rating section.
no no no.
it should be quite lower
I think this comes down to personal preference. I prefer gonions slightly above the mouth as well because I think it looks more aesthetic. Chico for example has this. Mine are lower than my mouth but I'm lacking bgw and chin height.
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legit but you need vertical height too.
His bgw is actually low compared to his midface.
 
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This isn't talked about enough here imo. Bigonial width is the distance between the two gonions (the edges of the mandible where it meets the ramus). It determines how wide the lower jaw looks from the front. If your bigonial width is a lot lower than your interzygomatic width (distance between the cheekbones), your lower jaw will look too narrow. Short ramus and tall chin can compensate for a low bgw to an extent, so can big masseter muscles.

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Low bigonial width examples:

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High/decent bgw examples:

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High/decent bgw makes the jaw look more masculine, square and harmonious from the front (given decent ramus length, gonial angle and fWHR). Low bgw can make the face look top-heavy, especially if the chin is short, and unphotogenic from the front.
I'd say that bigonial width is more important than ramus length and gonial angle because it determines lower jaw width and can make or break a front profile. Who cares if your maxilla is forward-grown and your ramus long if your lower jaw looks subhuman from the front due to low bgw in relation to the interzygomatic width? In fact, a long ramus makes someone with low bgw look worse and the mandible appear even smaller/narrower due to inward-tilt of the ramus. The more vertical the ramus, the better, because it ensures decent bgw. A noticeably inward-tilted ramus is a sign of low bgw in relation to interzygomatic width.

Unfortunately, the only way to increase bgw (or give the appearance of higher bgw) is jaw implants. Growing a beard and making the masseters bigger can help to an extent but won't make the face look ideal from the front. Fillers can be used too but are quite expensive long-term and won't last long.
tbf mainstream teen girls actually like a lower bwg because it’s the slim pretty boy look
 
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it's not that important. forward grown chin what actually matters
 
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Mine is wide but still narrower than zygos
 
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That’s my biggest flaw :feelswhy: :feelswhy: :feelswhy:
 
Good thread op!!
 
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Hmm I’m not sure there is an ideal bigonial width. It’s a matter of taste as to whether you want to look more “Dom” or more “Pretty Boy”. It’s definitely never good for it to be wider than zygo’s but I think you can definitely have a lower bigonial width and be super attractive to women: Plenty of Male Models have much wider zygos with narrower bigonial widths and look great, Lucky Blue Smith comes to mind,
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however he has lower jaw angles so I guess that’s probably a prerequisite for pulling off narrow bigonial width...something to keep in mind if anyone wants more of a pretty boy/male model look.
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Mine is wide but still narrower than zygos
That's normal. Izw should be a little higher than bgw. Just not excessively.
 
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I need to fix my recession for wider bigonial
 
Pitt bigonial or death
 
Does chewing help with bigonial like bone remodeling if you are young and not just massester?
 
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Believe me I don’t neglect it’s importance considering my bigonial is 9.5cm
 
In one of the old lookism threads they said the ideal was between 85% to 95%. Imo, it should never outstrip the zygos or be equal to them. The ideal is slightly narrower than the zygos, though there are, of course, exceptions.
 
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Mine is quite low, i need MSDO tbh
 
no bigonial width for your maxilla :cry:
 
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What’s his name?
 
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But bizygomatic width should be wider than bigonial width, Meeks has good BGW but his BZW is slightly wider.
 
My width is 10 cm, and I have hardly any jaw projection from the front and imo it looks shit in front profile selfies. Think this guy
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Whereas my jaw becomes angular and sharp in an ID/passport pic very similair to this???
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His ramus seems straight whereas mine isn't though. It's like the lower end of my ramus just shits into my skull or something. Can you fix that with jaw angle implants alone or do you always need to fix the chin with it?
 
My width is 10 cm, and I have hardly any jaw projection from the front and imo it looks shit in front profile selfies. Think this guy
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Whereas my jaw becomes angular and sharp in an ID/passport pic very similair to this???
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His ramus seems straight whereas mine isn't though. It's like the lower end of my ramus just shits into my skull or something. Can you fix that with jaw angle implants alone or do you always need to fix the chin with it?
possibly just lens distortion in your selfies
 
Care to explain how?
Big chin draws the attention away from the jaw and short ramus means longer mandible and less effect if the former is noticeably inward-tilted.
 
Big chin draws the attention away from the jaw and short ramus means longer mandible and less effect if the former is noticeably inward-tilted.
but that wont give the masculine rugged look from the front, it will just look rounded like oprys
 
My width is 10 cm, and I have hardly any jaw projection from the front and imo it looks shit in front profile selfies. Think this guy
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Whereas my jaw becomes angular and sharp in an ID/passport pic very similair to this???
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His ramus seems straight whereas mine isn't though. It's like the lower end of my ramus just shits into my skull or something. Can you fix that with jaw angle implants alone or do you always need to fix the chin with it?
First pic = my forehead/hairline.
 

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